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[QUOTE=saden1;329146]We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.[/QUOTE]

I think what really hurts Romney (beyond his religion) is that he's essentially the same as W. A businessman turned governor. I think the country as a whole wants to get away from that "businessman mentality" in the White House. Then again, I'm not sure most of America even makes that comparison between the two now that I think about it

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[QUOTE=12thMan;329100]I'm not trying to "jump on you" or be racially insensitive because that's not my stick, but I think often times we allow the media to feed us images of a candidate and we're really in the dark about who they really are and what they're really about. Either of his books are good reads and pretty insightful about him as an individual and a candidate.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'm not the type to allow the media to influence me at all. Hell, I even said in an earlier post here that I would vote for Obama, not because he's black or white or purple or green, but because of his views. I generally lean to the right even though I am an Independant, so for me to say that obviously means there is no racial implications. For as cliche as this sounds I don't see color, never have never will. My mother raised me around all sorts of different races so I just see people. However, after I went to college in Arkansas, I realized that the world is very racist. Sure it sucks, but it's reality. I know for as much as I would like to see people not make racist decisions, I know they still will. This means he will be on an uphill battle. If you really feel that Illinios is just as racist as say, Alabama, in regards to african americans, then really this little debate won't go any farther cause it's far from true. Just like the bible belt has issues with women in power...hell they think it's in the bible to not have women in power, so if they vote for a woman, they are "going against God" in their minds. I really feel that whoever the republicans throw up won't need to overcome these issues.
For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.

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[QUOTE=saden1;329146]We know one thing about Romney, he won't win Massachusetts. Man, he whales on the state that elected him as governor. There are certain thing you aught not do and that's trash your own state.[/QUOTE]


I would tend to agree with you, but Kerry got the Mass. votes during his run and he is hated in that area. I should know, I lived there. For some reason, people feel an obligation to vote for the "home team" up there. It was really surprising to hear it too. I know several people that will vote straight party lines, no matter what, and I know several that will just pick the home town guy. It's sad but true. I am expecting Romney to get A LOT of Mass. votes.

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Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/QUOTE]


Well said.
Although maybe you should change your views. LOL :D JK

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Boy, this is a tough crowd.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/quote]

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. The forties and fifties are over.

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[quote=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;329195]Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and [I]have NO sense of nuance[/I]. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.[/quote]

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite, as well as much more like Kennedy or Johnson. All four were/are lying psychopaths and incompetent to boot.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. I have an impressive number of real life injuries. The forties and fifties are over.

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

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Crazyhorse,

Sorry to be rude and I know I sounded like a jerk, I was just reacting to what I thought were rude statements. I was being hypocritical in that sense.

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[QUOTE=Crazyhorse1;329281]

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.[/QUOTE]

What college did you go to? (and teach at?)

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[quote=12thMan;329123]The reason I ask is because your comment on Romney is interesting, yet true.

I think, initially anyway, that we're more ready for a black or female president than a Mormon. Interesting to say the least.[/quote]

Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.

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[quote=jsarno;329189]For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.[/quot

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's [I][B]engage[/B] [/I]not [I][B]enrage[/B][/I]. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.

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[quote=12thMan;329309][quote=jsarno;329189]For as much as I don't want to turn this into a racial debate, it appears it has been. I will try harder not to even bring it up. Whenever race is brought up the quality of discussion goes dramatically down cause there is always someone that gets offended.
I hope that everyone involved and everyone voting doesn't see race, I hope they see issues.[/quote]

Jsarno, this may not be the best forum to have a racial debate, but I do think because we skirt around the issue of race so often and we're so leary of offending folks that we never bring it up and we never truly take any meaningful steps forward. Typically, the issue never comes up unless there's an O.J. Simpson case or a Rodney King type incident, or more recently Imus. But by then, usually feelings and emotions are so inflamed and raw it's too late to discuss anything in a civil manner, it's more venting, accusing, and resentment at that point.

We need to talk about race, and let it get emotional so long as people understand on the front let's [I][B]engage[/B] [/I]not [I][B]enrage[/B][/I]. In all honesty, it's nearly impossible to have a full, I mean a truly full discussion about politics and even religion without the subject of race being included.

I'll get off this soapbox for now, but just to reiterate I'm not suggesting that we open this thread or any other thread to the discussion of race. I think it's one of those things that should be discussed and talked about in person or in a group forum. I'm not too sure that the internet is entirely condusive to that.[/quote]

Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.

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[quote=RobH4413;329297]Forget religion... Romney is charismatic. I see us electing for charisma before thinking about his religion or politics.

Just the nature of the beast.[/quote]


Romney is charismatic? I suppose it depends on how you see him. I see him as disingenuous and he kinda reminds me of John Kerry. I pay very close attention to a candidates body language and facial expressions, and I really don't like that of Romney and Hilary.

Checkout [URL="http://www.bulldogreporter.com/dailydog/issues/1_1/dailydog_barks_bites/7734-1.html"]this great article[/URL] on leading presidential candidates and what their body language tells us.

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[quote=RobH4413;329318]Great post. I thought about posting a thread not to long ago about the "N" word, but saw how other threads were going at the time and decided not too. I'm sure it's been discussed in detail during the Imus incident, but I felt it's a social issue that is helped through dialogue.

What I love about warpath is that we've got a pretty open minded core group that usually tends to guide the conversation in a productive manner. No one tolerates bigotry, and that's a damn rare thing to find.[/quote]

You know..- and I don't want to open this can of worms - the 'N' word is far more complicated than the actual word itself, and it's not as black and white as people try to handle it, approach it or discuss it. I'm not the 'N' word expert, by any means, but I've been around the block a few times. Sometimes it's about context, sometimes it's about ignorance, and sometimes it's actually is about race and only race. In fact most of the time it is, but it's something that needs to be discussed, especially if you have children.