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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370778]Of course their wives don't know about it. None of them have come clean and they never will. One guy is a doctor and has two kids and a great wife. But he went to Vegas and got laid by another married women who wanted something different, just like he did. Does that make him a bad human being? No. He felt bad about it but what am I going to do? Not be friends with him?? I've known the guy for 16 years and was in his wedding.

If I were married and my wife cheated and I found out about it I'd be pissed. Who wouldn't?? I'd probably end it. But I have an old saying. What I don't know isn't going to hurt me. It's human nature to want to sleep with someone else and it happens more than you think. Do you think your wife or girlfriend doesn't think about someone else then your sadly mistaken. Whether they act on it is a different story.

Do you know why he hates Mangini so much? Cause Mangini tried to steal Deion Branch for them while he was holding out. That was a classless act on Mangini's part and from what I have heard he burned bridges with the people who gave him his 1st chance in coaching. You didn't see Clev. doing that crap did you?[/QUOTE]

Dude, this thread shouldn't be about your character. Some folks have cleverly deflected the focus from the Skins a$$ whooping we got and deserved yesterday.

I have no problem with what BB did. Certainly not with Matt Cassel trying to showcase what he's got, either. BB's a cocky mo fo, but were he available, I'd take him over our has been coach anyday. Same goes for Gregg Williams - when Gibbs is finally gone this year (and I hope he is), I hope Grilliams is not the replacement we chose.

Also completely agree with the posters who said that Gibbs didn't believe we could win. No problem with Gibbs crediting other teams before a game (e.g., the Cleveland Browns, Oakland Raiders, 49ers, etc.) since anyone can beat anyone on a Sunday, but when Gibbs makes comments such as "yes, its unfortunate the Pats are on our schedule," he is acknowledging that we're not competent enough to come up a strategy to beat the Pats.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;370785]Have you decided not to get married because you know you would do the same as your friends, and you don't want to be like that?

I'm not even sure why this interests me. I'm just curious to know why someone would say it's ok for their married friends (who are also fathers correct?) to cheat? But at the same time you don't condone cheating.[/QUOTE]

I dont think he said its ok for them to cheat. I think he just feels its none of his business what grown men do in their private life.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370778]Of course their wives don't know about it. None of them have come clean and they never will. One guy is a doctor and has two kids and a great wife. But he went to Vegas and got laid by another married women who wanted something different, just like he did. Does that make him a bad human being? No. He felt bad about it but what am I going to do? Not be friends with him?? I've known the guy for 16 years and was in his wedding.

If I were married and my wife cheated and I found out about it I'd be pissed. Who wouldn't?? I'd probably end it. But I have an old saying. What I don't know isn't going to hurt me. It's human nature to want to sleep with someone else and it happens more than you think. Do you think your wife or girlfriend doesn't think about someone else then your sadly mistaken. Whether they act on it is a different story.

Do you know why he hates Mangini so much? Cause Mangini tried to steal Deion Branch for them while he was holding out. That was a classless act on Mangini's part and from what I have heard he burned bridges with the people who gave him his 1st chance in coaching. You didn't see Clev. doing that crap did you?[/QUOTE]

Dude, this thread shouldn't be about your character. Some folks have cleverly deflected the focus from the Skins a$$ whooping we got yesterday.

I have no problem with what BB did. Certainly not with Matt Cassel trying to showcase what he's got, either. BB's a cocky mo fo, but were he available, I'd take him over our has been coach anyday. Same goes for Gregg Williams - his inability to adapt to what the Pats were doing yesterday was disturbing. Atleast send some of our thugs on blitzes to pop Brady in the mouth a few times - never mind the penalties or TDs...geez

Also completely agree with the posters who said that Gibbs didn't believe we could win. No problem with Gibbs crediting other teams before a game (e.g., the Cleveland Browns '04, Oakland Raiders '05, 49ers '05, etc.) since anyone can beat anyone on a Sunday, but when Gibbs makes comments such as "yes, its unfortunate the Pats are on our schedule," he is acknowledging that we're not competent enough to come up a strategy to beat the Pats.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370782]These guys are some of my best friends that I have known since childhood. Lifetime friends. I know if we plan a golf trip or a Vegas trip then something is going to happen. That is just how it is with some of these guys. They want to get away and get something "new." And to be honest, we meet married women all the time that are willing to have some weekend fun. I use to bartend during my college years and it really opened my eyes up to how some women really are. To this day I trust very few of them.

I just turn the other way and I just choose not to make comments. It's their business if they want to fool around not mine and I don't make it my business. They talk to me about it sometimes. The only thing I say is why did you do it in the first place?? But other than that I just don't say much.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of a question posed in an Ethics class I took: if you know something is unethical, and another person is a victim of said unethical conduct, is it your duty to alert the victim? And, if you don't, what is the moral reasoning to justify that action? Just so you can still be friends with the perpetrator?

I don't know the answer -- just thought it was interesting to consider.

On the topic of Belichick:
I think mheisig said it best: Belichick wanted to humiliate us. That's not respectable in ANY forum. At work, if I know somebody is wrong about what they say or think, I will let it be known, but I will try my best to spare that person from embarrassment. That's called being considerate, and it has a lot to do with being human.

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You gotta' watch that Smoot! He's a highjack SOB

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[QUOTE=12thMan;370753]Okay let's be brutally honest for a minute, part of the issue, and correct me if wrong, is that we have a problem with Belichick as an individual and the perception we have him.

Secondly, if this were to happen at the amateur level, then I would lean on the side of calling character and class into question. But this is professional sports. Why is that important to consider here? Because we invest so much of our time and money looking for the best and the brightest. Drilling it into our kids from the time they can run and compete, "win at all costs" Give one hundred percent...leave it on the field. Well, the Pats have a higher standard for those cliches.

You see in the end, we want it both ways. We love to hear at the end of the big games, "no one deserved it more than so and so". But see, that's not the real world. Sometimes classy people win, and I'm okay with that. And sometimes assholes win and win big, and I'm okay with that too. To me "running up the score" isn't the big deal. As long as he wasn't intentionally cheating or trying to injure someone, then I'm okay with that. His eleven guys pushed our eleven guys back for 60 minutes. What's the problem?[/QUOTE]

Not that this is the point of the post or thread, but "win at all costs" is not what I'm teaching my kids.

I think your point about Belichick being and asshole and winning is absolutely right. I guess we just take it differently when an asshole wins. I agree, assholes win all the time, they succeed, make money, get famous and so on. That doesn't mean I like it or am ok with it. I like to see "good" guys like Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy or Joe Gibbs win, and who wouldn't?

I think it's an almost universal thing to want to see "good" people thrive and see the "evil" people fail. Doesn't always happen like that, but that doesn't mean I'm not pissed off, and rightly so, when a prick like Belichick not only wins, but makes it a point to humiliate his opponents at every turn.

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Regarding assholes who win and/or succeed:

It comes down to one thing in my mind: life isn't fair, but that is no reason why it shouldn't be. When a child says, "that's no fair," a typical adult response is, "life's not fair." That is fallacious reasoning, and a totally worthless argument.

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[quote=SmootSmack;370785]Have you decided not to get married because you know you would do the same as your friends, and you don't want to be like that?

I'm not even sure why this interests me. I'm just curious to know why someone would say it's ok for their married friends (who are also fathers correct?) to cheat? But at the same time you don't condone cheating.[/quote]

Um.. I think that's part of it. I don't want to cheat on my wife and I know I'm a little weak when it comes to women. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody. I use to date someone for several years and I cheated and she found out about it. I'll never ever forget how I hurt this person. So I just have chosen not to do it yet. Am I a bad guy? No. I'm a nice guy and a good person who has a weakness for women. At least I can admit it

I never said it is ok for my married friends to cheat. It's not OK. I just don't judge their character because they choose to cheat.

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[quote=mheisig;370793]Not that this is the point of the post or thread, but "win at all costs" is not what I'm teaching my kids.

I think your point about Belichick being and asshole and winning is absolutely right. I guess we just take it differently when an asshole wins. I agree, assholes win all the time, they succeed, make money, get famous and so on. That doesn't mean I like it or am ok with it. I like to see "good" guys like Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy or Joe Gibbs win, and who wouldn't?

I think it's an almost universal thing to want to see "good" people thrive and see the "evil" people fail. Doesn't always happen like that, but that doesn't mean I'm not pissed off, and rightly so, when a prick like Belichick not only wins, but makes it a point to humiliate his opponents at every turn.[/quote]

Agreed.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370795]Um.. I think that's part of it. I don't want to cheat on my wife and I know I'm a little weak when it comes to women. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody. I use to date someone for several years and I cheated and she found out about it. I'll never ever forget how I hurt this person. So I just have chosen not to do it yet. Am I a bad guy? No. I'm a nice guy and a good person who has a weakness for women. At least I can admit it

I never said it is ok for my married friends to cheat. It's not OK. I just don't judge their character because they choose to cheat.[/QUOTE]

If you don't judge a person's character by their actions, particular whether they cheat or not, than what the hell DO you judge their character by? Or do you just arbitrarily determine that someone is a "good person" and stick with that notion regardless of the facts of their actions?

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[quote=mheisig;370798]If you don't judge a person's character by their actions, particular whether they cheat or not, than what the hell DO you judge their character by? Or do you just arbitrarily determine that someone is a "good person" and stick with that notion regardless of the facts of their actions?[/quote]

Cheat's on his wife and lies to his family... [I]Eh, he's still a good guy in my book[/I].

Cheat's in a poker game or doesn't pay back the $20 he borrowed last week... [I]Eff that sorry Effer![/I]

But to tie it back to Belichick; does a guy being a good football coach outweigh the fact that he's a scumbag?

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[QUOTE=mheisig;370793]Not that this is the point of the post or thread, but "win at all costs" is not what I'm teaching my kids.

I think your point about Belichick being and asshole and winning is absolutely right. I guess we just take it differently when an asshole wins. I agree, assholes win all the time, they succeed, make money, get famous and so on. That doesn't mean I like it or am ok with it. I like to see "good" guys like Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy or Joe Gibbs win, and who wouldn't?

I think it's an almost universal thing to want to see "good" people thrive and see the "evil" people fail. Doesn't always happen like that, but that doesn't mean I'm not pissed off, and rightly so, when a prick like Belichick not only wins, but makes it a point to humiliate his opponents at every turn.[/QUOTE]

I dont think A-holes win all the time. They win & lose like everyone else. Also, are you saying BB is evil? Thats a stretch if I ever heard one. A-hole and evil are not synonyms.

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;370795]Um.. I think that's part of it. I don't want to cheat on my wife and I know I'm a little weak when it comes to women. And I certainly don't want to hurt anybody. I use to date someone for several years and I cheated and she found out about it. I'll never ever forget how I hurt this person. So I just have chosen not to do it yet. Am I a bad guy? No. I'm a nice guy and a good person who has a weakness for women. At least I can admit it

I never said it is ok for my married friends to cheat. It's not OK. I just don't judge their character because they choose to cheat.[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. Not to get too deep here, but as a real friend do you think you have any obligation to be honest with your friends is wrong? That they're potentially destroying their families?

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why were they going for it on 4th down? thats my only problem really

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want all yall shut up about moral........i dont give a shit about who sleeping with who, we got our ass kicked......and if it bothers you............deal with it.....do what i do, i went out last night and cheated on my wife and girlfriend. now im have to explain to both when i get home