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[quote=NC_Skins;875867]I've done the research on this crap before arguing with Brady nuts, and they points allowed defense was much much better.[/quote]

Not so much a Brady nut as much as I can appreciate and acknowledge greatness. My personal favorite qb of all time is Marino, but I would still put Brady above him all time when it came to ranking them without personal bias or favortism involved. Brady haters on the other hand always amaze me.

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[quote=Shadowbyte;875797]Here's the funny thing though. The 49ers have been an after thought in the Bay Area for the last 10 years. Hell, not even KNBR would talk about them, they'd still cover and pontificate about the Giants months after their season has ended smack dab in the middle of the NFL season. You use to see 49er jerseys everywhere, until most of those fair weather fans jumped ship to the Raiders once they became the hot team, now you hardly see any 49er jerseys. But after this weekend, it's going to be the 1980's all over again. Fair weather fans will tuck away their Raider Jerseys and put on their 49er jerseys. I have no escape becase my fiance is a die-hard 49er fan, so I've softened on them a bit.[/quote]

It has already started here.. weeks ago.. all the old heads that were SF bandwagoneers are showing up in the DC area

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Little fun fact for you all. The redskins have played the super bowl champion for the past 5 years.

2010 Packers
2009 Saints
2008 Steelers
2007 Giants
2006 Colts


So Patriots, 49ers, Giants..very good chance it's one of them. (I hate NE)

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I think Brady and Manning are both great QBs. Personally, I could not for certainty say that one is better than the other. In the end, Brady will end up with the better career, given that Manning's may be over. If we want to talk about advantage, I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Bill Belichick. He has been the constant in Brady's career and the main reason the Patriots are so dominant (even without Brady).

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Bill B is a big reason for Tom's success.

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I will say that any QB from this era will never compare to any of the old QBs. The Patriots and Colts have been responsible for many rules that blew up the NFL passing game. Because of the Colts, the NFL implemented the "no touching WRs beyond 5 yds" rule and then there's the Brady Rule.

[QUOTE=artmonkforhallofamein07;875892]Bill B is a big reason for Tom's success.[/QUOTE]

U do know BB is a defensive coach right

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=44Deezel;875848]Fair enough, but 36 TDs and only 4TDs without Moss.

Plus, Moss must have not been that good because New England only gave up a 4th round pick to get him.

If Welker is all world because he warranted a 2nd round pick than Moss must not be all that because they only traded a 4th to get him.

Just assuming you're consistent with your logic;)[/quote]

Now we all know that might be the biggest steal of all time. The Raiders gave up on him and he wanted out. People thought he was finished.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875893]I will say that any QB from this era will never compare to any of the old QBs. The Patriots and Colts have been responsible for many rules that blew up the NFL passing game. Because of the Colts, the NFL implemented the "no touching WRs beyond 5 yds" rule and then there's the Brady Rule.[/quote]

It was the Steelers of the late 70 that were the ones responsible for the passing rule changes because their D was so good. The Colts benefitted from those no touching rules, they didnt cause them.

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A couple thoughts on yesterday:

1) really, really cool what Alex Smith did. Are those throws representative of the "real" Alex Smith, able to match Drew Brees shot for shot? No, of course not. But that's why sports are great.

2) The Broncos defense was really overrated all year. It wasn't all thatgood under Kyle Orton, it really wasn't much better for Tim Tebow in the regular season, and it got totally torched in the postseason. Even after they got Elvis Dumerville back, it was really only just the Redskins defense dressed in blue. Denver had a lot of good fortune all year, but the only difference between the team that began 1-4 and the one that finished 8-5 was play in the clutch.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;875899]Now we all know that might be the biggest steal of all time. The Raiders gave up on him and he wanted out. People thought he was finished.[/quote]The Haynesworth trade could have easily been the same thing. Alas, the big guy might actually be finished, at least as a down to down, week to week NFL player.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;875798]I've said it before and I'll say it again Tom Brady is the greatest qb in NFL history
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Nope,why becuase ..it's a different ere.Serously my head is hurting from this discussion.Montana,Young,Marino,Simms,Dan Fouts...etc. all played when you had to take a hit ,not flagg football like now.Yes the records are dropping becuase very few teams are running like they did in the 90's or 80's or even the 70's.
Is Peyton great ,is Tom great....is Drew great....answer is yes,but of all time ,no.

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A third thought:

It's probably time to seriously start considering the question whether Drew Brees or Tom Brady is having the better career. Both are in their mid thirties now, and if you look at their careers as a while, no two players in the history of the NFL are more statistically similar than Brees and Brady. I know people don't necessarily think of Drew Brees as a surefire hall of famer the way they do of Brady, but these guys are both hall of fame locks, and I think if Brees has the better "final five years" of their respective careers (if he ages better), then it would be tough to say that Brees isn't the historically greater player.

It's close right now, but I would lean edge: Brady because if nothing else, he has a couple games a year which come outdoors in frigid weather which Brees avoids.

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[quote=irish;875900]It was the Steelers of the late 70 that were the ones responsible for the passing rule changes because their D was so good. The Colts benefitted from those no touching rules, they didnt cause them.[/quote]

That is true.... but it really wasn't being enforced until Bill Polian and the Colts started crying to the NFL after one of the championship games (03 or 04) where their wr's basically got mugged.

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[quote=Ruhskins;875893]I will say that any QB from this era will never compare to any of the old QBs. The Patriots and Colts have been responsible for many rules that blew up the NFL passing game. Because of the Colts, the NFL implemented the "no touching WRs beyond 5 yds" rule and then there's the Brady Rule.[/quote]

Tom Brady could play in any era. The guy is simply a great QB and a true field general. But I also would've liked to see what guys like Marino and Fouts would've done in today's game. Warren Moon might have thrown for 6,000 yards!