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[quote=SmootSmack;443725]So two WRs plus they signed Mathis? My guess is Mathis is gone before he even starts.

When are we getting some D-line help? Kendall Langford in the 4th round?[/quote]

The pick that really has me scratching my head is Fred Davis. I'm assuming that the thinking is both that now you can run two TE sets and have two pass receiving players as well as some insurance should Cooley go down for any time. Seems like a luxury pick with both Campbell and Groves on the board at that time. I know they liked Kelly, and I did as well, but also seems like a bit of a luxury pick ... after taking Thomas.

I would have thought they might have gone Campbell at 48 then even come back with Kelly ... The only thing I can say about skipping on Campbell is that his college coach is now coaching our line so maybe he knew some things that he didn't like. They've watched the tape, I haven't, but I'm kind of scratching my head here ... no help on defense?

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Well, WR has been a position of concern the past few seasons. Moss and ARE are solid- but we know that Moss is injury-prone. What's the best way to help Campbell immediately in his 20th offensive system in five years? Weapons.

According to scouts, these guys are not just tall receivers. They all had first round ability. And despite being the 3rd TE taken, BFD is the best TE in the draft (my homerism aside). Workout numbers didn't come up as well, but John Carlson? Give me a break...

Now we just have to find some major diamonds to shore up both lines.

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Now that's a f'ing draft. I must give Danny boy and Vinny C some props. We got 1st round caliber players for second round picks. Seriously, the Skins have indemnified themselves from drafting a bust (all 3 can't be a bust). All offensive bases are covered except in the OL which I'm sure is going to get addressed in the later rounds. Now all we need is a saftly in the 3rd round or maybe pickup one up through free agency or trade.

Defensivly I am concerned but hopefully it'll be alright with a loaded offense.

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This is very much like when we got ARE and Lloyd...we needed just one good receiver, but we got two instead. Why does our team overreact? Portis goes down, and you give up the 4th for TJ Duckett....ugh. Well I hope we can find some hidden gems in the later rounds. I wonder how Moss and Cooley are feeling right now.

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the only thing I can figure is that the front office was nervous about their luck with picking wideouts in recent years, so they figure they increase their odds by taking two.

I wouldn't be surprised if this means the unthinkable for either Moss or Randle El.

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[quote=Beemnseven;443736]There's something in the Redskin Rulebook about drafting D-linemen early. We should all know that by now.

I don't get this at all. I felt the need was more along the O-line -- it's still good, but aging. It's the most important group of players on a football team, and this organization appears to be content with milking the current guys for all they're worth without preparing for their inevitable decline.

Or they really didn't like any of the O-linemen at this juncture.[/quote]

Typically O-Linemen can be found in some of the later rounds - outside of LT - plus 8 guys went in the 1st and some more in the 2nd so I can see skipping on that position. Skipping on Campbell for Fred Davis especially is what surprises me.

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;443734]This has Snyder's prints all over it. Snyder is definitely an "offense-centric" guy and loves the guys at the skills positions. Frankly, I'm shocked we have not addressed CB, DT, DE, OT, or OG yet. Yes, we have picks in the 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th, but I'm stunned we've only drafted guys on O.[/QUOTE]

Well it's a major shift from the early focus on defense in previoius years

Rumors of a Randle El trade by the way, don't know how legit the rumor is right now though. I think there are serious cap implications if we do

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;443742]This is very much like when we got ARE and Lloyd...we needed just one good receiver, but we got two instead. Why does our team overreact? Portis goes down, [B]and you give up the 4th for TJ Duckett....ugh. [/B]Well I hope we can find some hidden gems in the later rounds. I wonder how Moss and Cooley are feeling right now.[/QUOTE]

A 3rd and a 4th.

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JC is certainly going to have weapons next year. The message I'm getting is clear, this offense is open for business.

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[QUOTE=EXoffender;443729]But Campbell was still on the board...[/QUOTE]

yea i would have preffered Thomas, campbell, then kelly...

time to watch the press conference to see what was going through their heads

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Thrash and Mix are done but I think we will keep Mathis for KR and Depth

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Cerrato is an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are we going to run the run and shoot???????

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I just dont understand how we dont get Campbell or Groves where we were drafting in the 2nd round....that absolutley boggles my mind...two wide receivers and a tight end?? Just really dosent make a whole lot of sense to me

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It wouldnt be the Warpath without a Madden reference so I now have two WR's to develop in Madden yay! I don't have to draft a WR in Madden for like 5 years LOL there you go.

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I don't mind picking two receivers, I have seen it work in the past. Yes, D-Line could have been addressed (and should have rather than Davis - IMO). But two good receivers seems to me to be good when that was an area we were really deficient in.

We will get a D-Line guy in the 3rd and O-line depth in the 5-7th.

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[quote=Ruhskins;443742]This is very much like when we got ARE and Lloyd...we needed just one good receiver, but we got two instead. Why does our team overreact? Portis goes down, and you give up the 4th for TJ Duckett....ugh. Well I hope we can find some hidden gems in the later rounds. I wonder how Moss and Cooley are feeling right now.[/quote]

Good point. This is just overkill. There's not going to be enough balls to go around to all these guys. Not one pick for either line? Come on.

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I still cannot believe that we completely ignored the defense with our first three picks. We will probably draft a RB with our next pick.

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;443745]Well it's a major shift from the early focus on defense in previoius years

Rumors of a Randle El trade by the way, don't know how legit the rumor is right now though. I think there are serious cap implications if we do[/QUOTE]

What kind of value does El have? More picks or for an existing player? Maybe something with Jason Taylor? You're such a tease.

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relax, the reason why we feased on this position is that everybody passed on this position. and also most of the DL and the OL that we covet already gone at this time. so we take the best athlete that can help jason.

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snyder is loving life right now

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[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;443734][B]This has Snyder's prints all over it[/B]. Snyder is definitely an "offense-centric" guy and loves the guys at the skills positions. Frankly, I'm shocked we have not addressed CB, DT, DE, OT, or OG yet. Yes, we have picks in the 3rd, 4th, 6th, and 7th, but I'm stunned we've only drafted guys on O.[/QUOTE]

I actually think it has Zorn's prints all over it. He probably looked at the results of Moss and ARE over the past few years and told Cerrato, "My offense won't work with these wideouts."

Im telling you, do not be shocked if there is a huge shakeup at wideout in the coming months.

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Moss, Cooley, and ARE should be fine, you have to earn your paycheck after all. The fact that their positions were picked means they'll be getting some help and competition at the same time.

Got to earn your keep.

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[quote=Ruhskins;443742]This is very much like when we got ARE and Lloyd...we needed just one good receiver, but we got two instead. Why does our team overreact? Portis goes down, and you give up the 4th for TJ Duckett....ugh. Well I hope we can find some hidden gems in the later rounds. I wonder how Moss and Cooley are feeling right now.[/quote]Both WRs we selected were the top rated players left on the board when we selected them, so I don't have a problem with those - they ensure Jason Campbell's very bright future IMO. That said, I did not like the Fred Davis pick. We just gave Cooley a long term deal and Calais Campbell could have filled a need on the DL. ARI selected Calais between our Davis and Kelly picks. We've done nothing to address depth in the trenches. That should be our top priority tomorrow.

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[quote=skinsfan69;443750]Cerrato is an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What are we going to run the run and shoot???????[/quote]

We'll see. Only time will tell. They watched the tape, Campbell's college coach is on the staff, so you have to trust their judgment at this point. Certainly you have to trust them over internet mock drafts ... Fred Davis seems like a luxury pick, but he did have tremendous production at the college level last season (881 yards) and won the Mackey Award. Pittsburgh did have success with Spaeth (Mackey award winner) and Miller (Mackey award winner) running two TE sets last season. I guess he was the top player on their board and they didn't like some of the other defensive players on the board at that time. I'm very surprised they didn't go DE at 48 though. Not quite ready to write off the FO just yet ... all these guys had tremendous production at the college level in big time programs.

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Interesting take from ESPN's Gary Horton:

"They're obviously trying to load up on offensive weapons and use many formations. It has been the goal of the organization to put multiple receivers on the field, which opens up the run game. Now you have the current group of WRs, you have an athletic TE in Fred Davis. They should help in the passing game down the field. [B]You now open things up for Clinton Portis and you have the luxury of moving Chris Cooley all over the field as a Dallas Clark kind of guy[/B]. This potentially looks like an offense that's going to be very tough to match up against. Their depth on the perimeter will take most defenses farther than they can go."

Maybe there is a method to the madness, fellas. Perhaps we can utilize Cooley more in space now- how many times did he have to stay in and block? BFD will not only provide this on protection, he can also act as decoy protection later on in the game and curl underneath and/or take it down the field. The defense is going to have to account for a lot more now. The Davis pick is more than meets the eye.

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Thank god I waited before I posted, otherwise I'd be blasting the team right now. I don't like these picks but hopefully I'm wrong, and the team does know what it's doing. One thing is for sure, we won't have a shortage of wideouts.

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[QUOTE=SC Skins Fan;443762]We'll see. Only time will tell. They watched the tape, [B]Campbell's college coach is on the staff[/B], so you have to trust their judgment at this point. Certainly you have to trust them over internet mock drafts ... Fred Davis seems like a luxury pick, but he did have tremendous production at the college level last season (881 yards) and won the Mackey Award. Pittsburgh did have success with Spaeth (Mackey award winner) and Miller (Mackey award winner) running two TE sets last season. I guess he was the top player on their board and they didn't like some of the other defensive players on the board at that time. I'm very surprised they didn't go DE at 48 though. Not quite ready to write off the FO just yet ... all these guys had tremendous production at the college level in big time programs.[/QUOTE]

Or perhaps he had glowing things to say about Campbell and they just didn't listen to him?

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;443751]I just dont understand how we dont get Campbell or Groves where we were drafting in the 2nd round....that absolutley boggles my mind...two wide receivers and a tight end?? Just really dosent make a whole lot of sense to me[/QUOTE]


I would have thought they'd at least take a blocking TE

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[QUOTE=theJBexperience;443754]Good point. This is just overkill. There's not going to be enough balls to go around to all these guys. Not one pick for either line? Come on.[/QUOTE]

These guys aren't selected solely for their one-on-one pass catching abilities. It's a big-picture strategy. This draft maximizes Zorn's WCO potential. It increases the decisions defenses will have to make.

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maybe they are looking at the fact that ARE and moss will both be 29 this season (not that old i understand that) but 2 players that are also injury prone and felt that these 2 receivers were too good to pass up

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I have very mixed reviews for this first day's picks. From a value standpoint, we made out like bandits. All three picks were projected as first rounders and we got them in the early and late second round. We also needed help at the skills positions.

But, I wonder just how much added value these guys will bring. ARE, Kelly, or Thomas will be a #4 wideout? And using a second rounder on a backup TE? Moreover, we clearly have issues along the O-line, D-line and at our nickel corner. I wish we had spent one of those picks on Groves, Nicks, or some other O-lineman.

Value Grade: A
Overall: B

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[QUOTE=SmootSmack;443766]I would have thought they'd at least take a blocking TE[/QUOTE]

That's what I was thinking. Neither Cooley nor Davis is a natural blocker. We'll see, we'll see.

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This was a disaster in my opinon...I was amped when we got Thomas when we did...that it went all downhill...why in the blue hell did we draft a tight end (when both Campbell AND Groves were on the board)...and DRAFT ANOTHER WR!?!??!! It makes zero sense to me.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;443753]I don't mind picking two receivers, I have seen it work in the past. Yes, D-Line could have been addressed (and should have rather than Davis - IMO). But two good receivers seems to me to be good when that was an area we were really deficient in.

We will get a D-Line guy in the 3rd and O-line depth in the 5-7th.[/QUOTE]

Well it'd be rounds 4,6, and 7 now

There are a lot of solid DTs left but who's at DE? Chris Ellis? Does someone like Pressley play DE at the next level? I know the team is high on Wilson and Buzbee but it seems kind of crazy right now.

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[QUOTE=Big C;443768]maybe they are looking at the fact that ARE and moss will both be 29 this season (not that old i understand that) but 2 players that are also injury prone and felt that these 2 receivers were too good to pass up[/QUOTE]

Good point

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[quote=Beemnseven;443765]Or perhaps he had glowing things to say about Campbell and they just didn't listen to him?[/quote]

Maybe, I'm assuming if he was really going to the mat for the guy it would have made a difference. Maybe not. I'd just assume that if they liked what they saw on tape, and his old coach was vouching for him, that they would have gone that direction over a second pass catching TE. Just seems to make more sense to me that there was something they didn't like about him rather than Snyder and Cerrato just said 'screw you we want a TE sucker!' Maybe not. Impossible to know, I'm just saying what strikes me as more plausible.

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Pretty good draft so far. Stockpiled on the offensive side of the ball. Red Zone scoring should be that much of a liability anymore. We got a couple of possible first rounders in the second round. Should be easier to sign and get into camp on time. I can't get too upset at who they took. We still have tomorrow so let's see what they can put together in the last several rounds.

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[quote=SmootSmack;443766]I would have thought they'd at least take a blocking TE[/quote]Trying to make sense out of it all is to use Cooley in the slot or out wide and have Davis lined up tight. Davis should be considered a better blocker than Cooley. Now saying that Cooley will take on more of a wR role makes one wonder why draft two more WRs. Teams aren't going to trade for one of them. They'll wait until we'll have to cut one and get them as a FA.

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[QUOTE=Gmanc711;443771]This was a disaster in my opinon...I was amped when we got Thomas when we did...that it went all downhill...why in the blue hell did we draft a tight end (when both Campbell AND Groves were on the board)...and DRAFT ANOTHER WR!?!??!! It makes zero sense to me.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you dude. But obviously, the coaches felt comfortable enough with the O and D-lines as they stand now, and didn't feel the need to use a high pick to address them.

The thing to remember though, is that Greg Blache was always the first to defend the D-line when they weren't getting close to the QB with the pass rush. Clearly, his opinion hasn't changed and is fine with the pressure these guys are able to generate.

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[quote=SmootSmack;443773]Well it'd be rounds 4,6, and 7 now

There are a lot of solid DTs left but who's at DE? Chris Ellis? Does someone like Pressley play DE at the next level? I know the team is high on Wilson and Buzbee but it seems kind of crazy right now.[/quote]

Don't forget about the Compensatory 3rd (96). So technically it is 3, 4, 6, 7. They traded their third but still have that comp pick.