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that interview on 980 just proved that campbell is a class act all the way.

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[quote=Larry Michael is Satan;542008]Here's a possible scenario: Skins don't get the deal done, Campbell has great year playing with chip on his shoulder, Campbell signs somewhere stable due to all the bullshit he has had to tolerate in his time here.[/quote]

He would be a restricted free agent so they wouldn't lose him if they didn't want to.

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[quote=johno;542046]that interview on 980 just proved that campbell is a class act all the way.[/quote]

I'm at work and didn't hear it.

Give me a summary.

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[quote=Skinny Tee;542051]I'm at work and didn't hear it.

Give me a summary.[/quote]
Imagine it's more of the same from last night but interested as well.

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I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?

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[quote=firstdown;542055]I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?[/quote]

That would be the dumbest thing Zorn ever did...Cutler=Shanahan and a lot of free time for Zorny by 2010 if not sooner.

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[quote=firstdown;542055]I keep reading all this stuff about Snyder but how do we not know that Zorn is not the one pushing to get Cutler?[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.

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I don't like this idea either. We've invested so much in Campbell, and for what? So we can throw him away and waste more draft picks/get rid of talented players in the process? And the fact that the coach of the team has no say in this is really upsetting. I felt like with Gibbs here Snyder was able to take a backseat, but now with him gone he's regressed to his old ways. I like Campbell and I really do think if we gave him another year in Zorn's system we'd see a lot of improvement, provided we help the o-line in the draft. But if we trade away our only pick in the first two rounds we're pretty much saying we're gonna stick with the line we have. Even Jay Cutler wouldn't have as much success as he had in Denver with this line.

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Jason basically said that he understood that an NFL team is a business, and his bosses may shop him around. He said that he was committed to winning with the Skins and will work hard everyday to make sure that is a reality.

Jason also said that Zorn called him earlier today to reaffirm that Jason was his guy under center.

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[quote=johno;542046]that interview on 980 just proved that campbell is a class act all the way.[/quote]

I would have love to have heard that. This should let us know of the type of character and how unflappable the guy we have is. We saw the reaction of the other guy is when he found out that this is a business, that they are all commodities. One guy doesn't let it bother him, the other, well we see what is going on now. Character on the field is important, this helps you more than a strong arm when adversity knocks you on your but.

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[quote=celts32;541930]I said before I don't want to get into Campbell bashing becasue that's not my MO...but I am tired of the bad OL crutch we give Campbell. The Steelers OL was horrible for most of the season and Ben always managed to make the playes needed for them to win. Do you think they would have won the Super Bowl with Campbell as starter?[/quote]
I'm tired of this crappy "OL crutch" argument. I've blown this up in numerous posts so no need to re-type everything. Bottom line, have you ever played behind or coached with a poor OL at any level? My guess is No.

The following quotes are all mine from other posts/threads on the Campbell subject

- "....as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy."

- "Poor argument. The Steelers success this year had a lot more to do with their # 1 defense than their offense. Big Ben's QB rating was actually 80.1 (JCs was 84.3) and his production was way off from last year when his OL was solid. The Steeler run game dropped off from last year from # 3, to # 23 in Yds. The Steeler offensive ratings are all in the bottom half of the league. This indicates pretty clearly that an OL drop-off hurts any offense, and is critical to offensive success."


- "After Week 2 and up until the Steelers game, the JC bashing crowd was nowhere to be found. Did JC magically just go from being one of the top performers in the league to being crap in 2-3 weeks? Did Portis go from being a top performer to crap in 2-3 weeks? Or maybe OL problems were really the major issue for our poor offensive performance."

- "The same arguments were made last off-season, those who supported Campbell last off-season were correct. He improved significantly from last season. This is not a point for dispute, it is fact. JC is not the problem, we've got issues on the OL that must be addressed or we will struggle in 2009."

- "I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL."

- "With a healthy OL he (JC) was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps."

- "It's interesting that when you look at Jason Campbell's QB rating numbers it confirms what can be seen about the offense....against good defenses the OL is overmatched. JC has played well this year, he's made a lot of plays either by a quick release or movement in (or out of) the pocket that could've ended in disaster. His turn-overs are down and overall his QB rating is up, despite the OL being in much worse shape than last year."

- "Let's look at reality here, we'll finish either 8-8 or 9-7. A Pete Kendell fumble and a poor first half against CIN don't happen and we're 10-6 or 11-5. This is with a new HC, an unproven young QB, a defense with no real playmakers in the front 7, and a secondary that was questionable in the pre-season."

[B]Do you think we'll go 10-6 or 11-5 next year if we trade for Cutler?[/B] If we do (make the trade) then how do we address our holes at RT, LDE, OLB if we give up our # 1 this year and a # 1 or # 2 next year? Also keep in mind we may be able to fill two of our holes by trading down the # 13 this year.

From BHA's post # 575 "Frank Hammerhan is on ESPN980 right now and he just said that Zorn has no say in any of this. Earlier in the offseason, Zorn specifically told Cerrato and Snyder that he beleived Campbell would be successful in this system..."

I'll take this as a true statement. I trust Zorn's evaluation and judgement of Campbell a lot more than your "people around the NFL" comment. I agree Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell, but not a drastic one. Why would Denver want to take what they perceive as a step back. Even if they were interested in JC, they wouldn't say so or leak it publicly when they're floating a two #1 scenario for Cutler.

Also, just because Denver has "asked" for two # 1s doesn't mean they'll get it. Don't you think they're trying to set the market and also set themselves up for a reunion with Cutler when they can't get the # 1s they want. They hold the leverage, Cutler is under contract so why shouldn't they go for broke and try to set an unreasonable price. I hope we're not the ones dumb enough to pay it.

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[quote=vallin21;542061]I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. [B]From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, [/B]and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.[/quote]

Vinny will never get fired.

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[quote=vallin21;542061]I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB.[/quote]Prior to the Manning SB run in '07 many said he was "unproven". Romo can't win a playoff game and McNabb is in the twilight of his career. I don't think putting butts in seats is a concern of Snyder's, a 10 year waiting list for season tickets tends to put that concern aside. Selling jerseys and Club Level seats is another issue, but the only thing that addresses that is playoff level football. Cutler alone will not raise the Skins to that level.

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I agree, and besides, we've already got a HUGE name in haynesworth to sell jerseys, if that's really the FO's agenda. As others have said, Cutler is a MARGINAL improvement at best, and just not worth giving up any draft picks for. We drastically need the #13 pick, whether to grab andre smith or to trade down and upgrade two needs, but I don't think this team is any better than last year if we sacrifice those needs to get a quarterback that is slightly better than campbell.

Besides that, jason campbell has character out the roof (see recent interview, and past ones for that matter) and jay cutler has close to none. Regardless of ability, I'd rather not have a whiny baby as the leader of the offense.

If we dont' make the trade and keep our picks and draft o-line first round, LB/maybe WR 3rd round, I see us having a great shot at the playoffs in 2009. If we take the bait and pay the exorbitant asking fee denver is probably looking for, I think we are an 8-8 team at best.

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[quote=Defensewins;542066]Vinny will never get fired.[/quote]

well sense hes already been fired by dan once at martys request, i think your sadly mistaken

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[quote=Ruhskins;541847]I think it is tough to be in Elway's shadow, but being the QB of the Washington Redskins is a far tougher gig. Given the fact that we're an east coast city and the Redskins are popular enough to trump any other professional and college sports team when it comes to the attention they get.[/quote]

Well I'll put it this way. Both are hard core NFL cities and are tough places to play QB. If Cutler can play there then he can play here.

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[quote=vallin21;542061]I wouldn't be surprised if Zorn, Vinny, and Synder are the one's pushing hard for Cutler. Zorn knows he might be out this year if he doesn't make the playoffs, and maybe he sees no progression in JC which is why he is gunning for Cutler. From Vinny's standpoint he's likely fired if we don't make the playoffs, and he made the trade to jump back into the 1st round in '05 and gave up our 1st in '06 to get JC and it's not working out. Synder wants to win and put people in the stands, and Cutler is the better QB to do that. Were the only team in the NFC East with an unproven QB (Manning, McNabb, Romo), [B]so to get Cutler would give us a proven QB[/B].[/quote]

Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;542065]I'm tired of this crappy "OL crutch" argument. I've blown this up in numerous posts so no need to re-type everything. Bottom line, have you ever played behind or coached with a poor OL at any level? My guess is No.

The following quotes are all mine from other posts/threads on the Campbell subject

- "....as the OL goes, so goes any offense. If an OL struggles I don't care who is at QB, they will struggle. Peyton Manning struggled early in the year with the OL injuries in Indy."

- "Poor argument. The Steelers success this year had a lot more to do with their # 1 defense than their offense. Big Ben's QB rating was actually 80.1 (JCs was 84.3) and his production was way off from last year when his OL was solid. The Steeler run game dropped off from last year from # 3, to # 23 in Yds. The Steeler offensive ratings are all in the bottom half of the league. This indicates pretty clearly that an OL drop-off hurts any offense, and is critical to offensive success."


- "After Week 2 and up until the Steelers game, the JC bashing crowd was nowhere to be found. Did JC magically just go from being one of the top performers in the league to being crap in 2-3 weeks? Did Portis go from being a top performer to crap in 2-3 weeks? Or maybe OL problems were really the major issue for our poor offensive performance."

- "The same arguments were made last off-season, those who supported Campbell last off-season were correct. He improved significantly from last season. This is not a point for dispute, it is fact. JC is not the problem, we've got issues on the OL that must be addressed or we will struggle in 2009."

- "I wish I had the sources you have around the "whole league". As most of the JC bashers, your analysis isn't based on any logic, stats or football knowledge. It's just a bunch of the same negative buzz-words/phrases parroted by those who want to be able to say "I told you so" when Campbell struggles. But, you same guys are going to be nowhere to be found when Campbell raises his QB rating into the 90s if we solidify the OL."

- "With a healthy OL he (JC) was putting up Pro Bowl level numbers in the first 8 games, first season in the WCO, with a below average WR corps."

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[B] "It's interesting that when you look at Jason Campbell's QB rating numbers it confirms what can be seen about the offense....against good defenses the OL is overmatched. JC has played well this year, he's made a lot of plays either by a quick release or movement in (or out of) the pocket that could've ended in disaster. His turn-overs are down and overall his QB rating is up, despite the OL being in much worse shape than last year."[
[/B]
- "Let's look at reality here, we'll finish either 8-8 or 9-7. A Pete Kendell fumble and a poor first half against CIN don't happen and we're 10-6 or 11-5. This is with a new HC, an unproven young QB, a defense with no real playmakers in the front 7, and a secondary that was questionable in the pre-season."

[B]Do you think we'll go 10-6 or 11-5 next year if we trade for Cutler?[/B] If we do then how do we address our holes at RT, LDE, OLB if we give up our # 1 this year and a # 1 or # 2 next year? Also keep in mind we may be able to fill two of our holes by trading down the # 13 this year.

From BHA's post # 575 "Frank Hammerhan is on ESPN980 right now and he just said that Zorn has no say in any of this. Earlier in the offseason, Zorn specifically told Cerrato and Snyder that he beleived Campbell would be successful in this system..."

I'll take this as a true statement. I trust Zorn's evaluation and judgement of Campbell a lot more than your "people around the NFL" comment. I agree Cutler is an upgrade over Campbell, but not a drastic one. Why would Denver want to take what they perceive as a step back. Even if they were interested in JC, they wouldn't say so or leak it publicly when they're floating a two #1 scenario for Cutler.

Also, just because Denver has "asked" for two # 1s doesn't mean they'll get it. Don't you think they're trying to set the market and also set themselves up for a reunion with Cutler when they can't get the # 1s they want. They hold the leverage, Cutler is under contract so why shouldn't they go for broke and try to set an unreasonable price. I hope we're not the ones dumb enough to pay it.[/quote]

This comment says so much, Cutler did not play in the NFC east, he did not go against 3 top 10 defenses within his own devision 6 times. There was no top 10 defense in the AFC west. He also had to throw the football because of no running game, this is why he had the passing yards that many are in love with. We should look more to the passing efficiency numbers for this pass happy guy, we will see no viable improvement over what we have, and we will still keep our draft picks to improve our weaknesses.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;542032]I've heard Cutler's cap number is $1 million next year with a trade.[/quote]

He's got some escalator clauses in there that could give him an extra $6 or so million next year

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I agree if we take the bait 8-8 at best we have bigger needs, if we do the deal i hope Zorn knows if we don't do good he will be gone and they will bring in Mike Shannahan.

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[quote=RedTempleSkin;542077]This comment says so much, Cutler did not play in the NFC east, he did not go against 3 top 10 defenses within his own devision 6 times. There was no top 10 defense in the AFC west. He also had to throw the football because of no running game, this is why he had the passing yards that many are in love with. We should look more to the passing efficiency numbers for this pass happy guy, we will see no viable improvement over what we have, and we will still keep our draft picks to improve our weaknesses.[/quote]

Last year when Cutler played against a decent defense he lost 41-7 to New England. You know NE that had a QB that had never started an NFL before last year.

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It's scary when you have two bad FO dealing with each other. If I were Denver, I would take this [URL="http://blogs.tampabay.com/bucs/2009/04/cutler-talk-elevator-music-to-mccown-.html"]April Fool's joke[/URL] seriously and make the following offer:

[quote]McCown was amused by an April Fool's joke played by FOX Sports Radio that 'reported' Wednesday night Cutler had been traded to the Bucs for [B]first and third round picks and defensive tackle Chris Hovan[/B].[/quote]

Once again, I feel that other teams have better offers than the Redskins, yet Denver will take our offer b/c they are just as stupid as we are for wanting to trade for Cutler.

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[quote=Defensewins;542076]Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.[/quote]

PLEASE stop comparing the WL records. That means NOTHING! Again I hope we keep JC but if you took Cutler off of Denver they might win 3-5 games. He plays on a team with a terrible defense and no running game. Let's say Campbell had to play on a team with a real bad defense. What would his WL record be? The WL thing really isn't a smart way to compare the two.

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[quote=tryfuhl;542053]Imagine it's more of the same from last night but interested as well.[/quote]

As usual, nothing but class from Jason Campbell. He said he would have no issue whatsoever playing for the Redskins in 2009 and beyond if the trade for Cutler falls through. This is b/c he knows he has the support of the fans and his teammates. When asked if he felt the Redskins were confident in him moving forward, he said he knows "the coaches are." Reading between the lines, this means everyone but Dan and Vinny.

Nothing major came out of the interview. Jason understands it's the nature of the business and took the high road, which you expect from a cool-headed, classy leader. Cutler could learn a thing or two from him.

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Let me stress this again. One of our biggest problems over the last few years has been the inability to score in the Red Zone. I don't know the exact numbers but I wouldn't feel bad pitting Cutlers 25 TD passes against Campbell's 13 TD passes. And don't go off on Cutler having better recievers. 9/10 QB's make the recievers great, not the other way around.

Those 2 QB points are farther apart then you might think. Though I do get frustrated that people are trying to now pass off the O-Line as something that isn't important. "Oh Big Ben won without a good O-Line." The better argument for Cutler should be that he'll make quicker decisions and as a result our line will have more energy near the end of the game as the seconds saved pile up. Not "oh O-line isn't that important."

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[quote=GMScud;542086]As usual, nothing but class from Jason Campbell. He said he would have no issue whatsoever playing for the Redskins in 2009 and beyond if the trade for Cutler falls through. This is b/c he knows he has the support of the fans and his teammates. When asked if he felt the Redskins were confident in him moving forward, he said he knows "the coaches are." Reading between the lines, this means everyone but Dan and Vinny.

Nothing major came out of the interview. Jason understands it's the nature of the business and took the high road, which you expect from a cool-headed, classy leader. Cutler could learn a thing or two from him.[/quote]

Word...

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From the looks of it, Matty better get started on a Cutler Avatar.

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[quote=Defensewins;542081]Last year when Cutler played against a decent defense he lost 41-7 to New England. You know NE that had a QB that had never started an NFL before last year.[/quote]

The top defense in the AFC west last year was ranked 25th(San Diego). Why can't good stats be complied by playing the worst teams.

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Posted: [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/category/around-the-web/"]Around The Web[/URL] | NFL.com Staff | Tags: [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/jason-campbell/"]Jason Campbell[/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/jay-cutler/"]Jay Cutler[/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/vinny-cerrato/"]Vinny Cerrato[/URL], [URL="http://blogs.nfl.com/tag/washington-redskins/"]Washington Redskins[/URL]
A decades-long pursuit for a franchise quarterback might lead to the Washington Redskins making a trade for disgruntled Denver Broncos QB [B]Jay Cutler[/B].
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2009/04/01/ST2009040104370.html"]The Redskins were actively pursuing a trade for Cutler[/URL] on Wednesday, reports [I]The Washington Post[/I], citing NFL sources.
The NFL source told [I]The Post[/I] that Redskins owner [B]Dan Snyder[/B] has been pushing for the trade. However, the Redskins are declining to comment.
The Redskins figure to be competing with the Buccaneers and Jets at this moment, but Washington does have one advantage — it has a starting NFL quarterback, [B]Jason Campbell[/B], to dangle in a trade. Often lost in the Cutler trade talk is who will be the Broncos’ starting QB in 2009. Four NFL.com editors [URL="http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80f8de20&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true#recommend"]kicked around that issue in an Instant Debate[/URL].
Redskins executive vice president of football operations [B]Vinny Cerrato[/B] and coach [B]Jim Zorn[/B] publicly denied interest in Cutler during the annual NFL owners meeting last week. But that might just mean they are smoother than Broncos owner [B]Pat Bowlen[/B] and coach[B] Josh McDaniels[/B] when talking about potential trades.
[I]The [/I][I]Post[/I] updated its initial report by saying the Redskins offered Campbell to an undisclosed team for a second-round draft pick. The Redskins are believed to be acquiring picks to build a package for Cutler. That could indicate that the Broncos don’t want Campbell and might be comfortable with [B]Chris Simms [/B]or a rookie in the upcoming draft as their starter.

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[quote=Defensewins;542076]Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.[/quote]

Perfect assessment

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[quote=Dirtbag359;542087]Let me stress this again. One of our biggest problems over the last few years has been the inability to score in the Red Zone. I don't know the exact numbers but I wouldn't feel bad pitting Cutlers 25 TD passes against Campbell's 13 TD passes. And don't go off on Cutler having better recievers. 9/10 QB's make the recievers great, not the other way around. [/quote]Red Zone scoring has been a problem, but I wouldn't say the cause is Campbell not being able to pull the trigger. Cutler had 17TDs in the RZ last year, Campbell 11TDs. I would say the issue with RZ scoring prior to last year had a lot to do with playcalling. This year I would say the OL was the major issue later in the year. This and last it also has a lot to do with no big receiver on the outside to widen the defense in the RZ. The short WRs we have can't go up top in the back corner of the end-zone and force the DBs to play straight up. The opposing DBs have been able to cheat inside knowing they can adjust and stop a fade to a sub 5'10" WR. The Broncos have Marshall. Overall I would say the WR corps in Denver is NOT "leaps and bounds" better than us, but inside the RZ, a receiver like Marshall is very important.

[quote]Those 2 QB points are farther apart then you might think. Though I do get frustrated that people are trying to now pass off the O-Line as something that isn't important. "Oh Big Ben won without a good O-Line." The better argument for Cutler should be that he'll make quicker decisions and as a result our line will have more energy near the end of the game as the seconds saved pile up. Not "oh O-line isn't that important."[/quote]Agree with your point on Cutler having a quicker release and making a split-second faster decisions (not to say I think JC is bad at these things, just Cutler is a bit better), but his upside over Campbell isn't worth the package Denver is asking for.

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Personally other then Danny I think the second most person exicited about this draft is Campbell. He gets out of WAS, goes to easier divison works Josh Mcdaniels and has better weapons (WRS). no wonder he is cool head he is praying this thing goes through.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;542101]Perfect assessment[/quote]
He is 13-1 when the defense holds the opponent to 21 points or less. The only loss coming in overtime to the Dolphins. they had the worst defense in football.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;542107]He is 13-1 when the defense holds the opponent to 21 points or less. The only loss coming in overtime to the Dolphins. they had the worst defense in football.[/quote]

Last year we played 6 division games, all against top 10 defenses. Played the Steelers and Ravens, both top 10 defenses. We also played the Bengals(12th) and the 49ers(13th). That is 10 games against the better defenses in the league, Cutler can't say he did anything close.

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if we can get cutler for our 3rd and jason campbell, i would pull the trigger. there is no way i want cooley to go. or our 1st for that matter.

so i guess i don't want it to happen

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[quote=Defensewins;542076]Proven Qb? Really?
As a full time starter Cutler in his entire NFL career went:

2007 record 7-9
2008 record 8-8

Yes he is a QB in the NFL. That is proven. But if you imply Cutler is the real deal like a Manning, McNabb or even Romo...no he is not.[/quote]

Dude, your very screen name belies the point you're making. You don't think the Broncos' God-awful defense had anything to do with that??

You gotta be kidding me.

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Wow, Wilbon really hates the Redskins, doesn't he?

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040202218.html]washingtonpost.com[/url]

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[quote=Twilbert07;542113]Wow, Wilbon really hates the Redskins, doesn't he?

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/02/AR2009040202218.html"]washingtonpost.com[/URL][/quote]

Well he laid it out there.

Re: Broncos to trade Cutler
 

[quote=tryfuhl;542118]Well he laid it out there.[/quote]

Synder needs to read this, especially the part on developing players and the success of the Colts, Steelers, Patriots and Giants. They are the last 4 super bowl winners.

Re: Broncos to trade Cutler
 

[quote=Twilbert07;542113]Wow, Wilbon really hates the Redskins, doesn't he?

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The one quote from the article that struck me was this: "As much as I like Cutler personally, I wonder about any kid who would say his arm is stronger than John Elway's."

First, I didn't know Cutler said this. But since he has, it's just another reason to stop the trade-bus right now. Elway is an icon in Denver, whether Cutler has a stronger arm or not (I agree with Wilbon, it's not even close to Elway's) he should have enough maturity and common sense not to say something like that. At QB, mental clarity and composure are more important that arm strength (Joe Montana: smart & great under pressure/arm strength sub-par and Jeff George: cannon-arm/dumb-ass come to mind). At this point I'm not willing to give up anything or even do a straight up swap of Cutler for Campbell. We know Campbell will only progress, not regress like Cutler could if he losses his mind and can't adjust under Zorn.