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Blache is the only one that should stay.

Lewis HAS done a great job calling plays, but I'm not sure if OC is good for him, especially if another HC and system comes in.

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[quote=Buster;636772]Blache is the only one that should stay.

[/quote]

why? he was basically given the keys to gregg williams d, then handed orakpo and haynesworth.

and we still don't get any turnovers

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[quote=mlmdub130;636778]why? he was basically given the keys to gregg williams d, then handed orakpo and haynesworth.

and we still don't get any turnovers[/quote]

I'm with you there. Blache was planning to retire when Gibbs did and Snyder talked him out of it. I'd be more that comfortable handing the defense over to Gray at this point. In fact, it could only help.

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[quote=Buster;636772]Blache is the only one that should stay.[/quote]

Blache has gots to go and Gray should be promoted to DC.

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[quote=tryfuhl;634048]don't need a head coach to groom a QB[/quote]

Don't understand your comment. Usually a hc means a new regime, new system, new qb. Zorn inherited Campbell.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636721]And let me backtrack on the play-calling. I feel really good about how Sherm Lewis is performing. If we’re all responsible for certain issues and certain things, he’s doing a wonderful job. I evade those questions because it has to do with me as well. But I don’t have any negative thoughts or anything about how he’s working our program. It’s going very well with the way it’s organized.”

[url=http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sports/blogs/redskins-confidential/Zorn-show-highlights-78785212.html]Zorn show highlights | Washington Examiner[/url][/quote]

Thats why I think Holmgren would be the best option for HC. We're starting to see some progress with the offense but I think it boils down to problems on the offensive line and game management in general by Zorn as to why we're loosing. I just hope that Holmgren would be willing to blame Vinny for Zorns situation and not Snyder because otherwise there's no way in hell he's coming here.

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Shannahan HC, Shermin Lewis OC

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[quote=Dirtbag359;636825]Thats why I think Holmgren would be the best option for HC. We're starting to see some progress with the offense but I think it boils down to problems on the offensive line and game management in general by Zorn as to why we're loosing. I just hope that Holmgren would be willing to blame Vinny for Zorns situation and not Snyder because otherwise there's no way in hell he's coming here.[/quote]

That situation could work well but Holmgren doesn't seem to want to coach. He just wants to run the show.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;636891]Shannahan HC, Shermin Lewis OC[/quote]

If Shanny is the coach, Lewis won't have a role on the coaching staff. He may be in the organization as an offensive consultant but you know that Shanny will keep him at a distance. Shanahan will probably bring his son Kyle on as Asst. Head Coach/OC or if Kubiak is fired maybe bring both of them or also consider Jeremy Bates (especially if Campbell is retained) for the role.

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[quote=Paintrain;636894]If Shanny is the coach, Lewis won't have a role on the coaching staff. He may be in the organization as an offensive consultant but you know that Shanny will keep him at a distance. Shanahan will probably bring his son Kyle on as Asst. Head Coach/OC or if Kubiak is fired maybe bring both of them or also consider Jeremy Bates (especially if Campbell is retained) for the role.[/quote]

i have to say thats a pretty solid assesment

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;636614]Johnny Walker?[/quote]
Nah, you can get a lot better scotch at the same price point, not a big JW fan. I can't even drink the Red, the black is not bad but costs about 30pct more than it should.

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[quote=franklinhimself;636810]Don't understand your comment. Usually a hc means a new regime, new system, new qb. Zorn inherited Campbell.[/quote]
I get that, but you don't need a HC to groom a QB, you need a QB coach to do that.

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[quote=SmootSmack;636579]If Vinny stays with Shanahan on board he'll be a figurehead at best[/quote]

True but what I mean is that we would have a coach who likes big splash free agents and not much of a track record for good personel decisions to go along with Vinny. That does not represent any significant change in the way the front office operates. That's not good enough for me.

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4 more games. Simply 4 more games. Then open season starts for the Skins.

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[quote=SBXVII;636961]4 more games. Simply 4 more games. Then open season starts for the Skins.[/quote]

Its going to be a crazy off season.

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How bout Wade Phillips as DC?...lol

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[quote=AYJAX;636977]Its going to be a crazy off season.[/quote]
and I can't wait...:)

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[quote=Eknox;636978]How bout Wade Phillips as DC?...lol[/quote]

How bout [SIZE=7]NO[/SIZE]!

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[quote=SBXVII;636961]4 more games. Simply 4 more games. Then open season starts for the Skins.[/quote]

Zorn may be fired within a few hours after the last game, but I doubt we have a new coach before the superbowl.

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[quote=Eknox;636978]How bout Wade Phillips as DC?...lol[/quote]
not really that funny. he is another, in a long line of pretty good coordinators. but not so hot running the entire show

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Wade is an extremely talented DC, in fact the only reason not to bring him here is the ties to Dallas. I don't want any more Cowboy re-treads, very few do well here. (I would take Bill Parcells, but I see him as a mercenary not an ex-Cowboy/Giant coach)

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[url=http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=9&c=2&cid=927454&nid=4691965&fhn=1]Scout.com: Cleveland Browns Organization Profile[/url]

[SIZE=5][B]Rumor: Cowher Won't Wind up in Carolina[/B][/SIZE]
[I]by Barry McBride of [URL="http://cle.scout.com/"]theOBR.com[/URL], December 9, 2009 at 8:41am ET[/I]

[B][URL="http://cle.scout.com/a.z?s=149&p=8&c=1&nid=4691965"]Cleveland Browns Organization Profile[/URL][/B]

It’s about that time of year, isn’t it?


As the off-season nears, Browns and other fans are often regaled by tales of how this quarterback or that coach has bought/sold a house in town, which therefore logically means that he’s headed into/leaving town. Which, of course, will save the moribund Cleveland Browns franchise.


One guy who has been mentioned in those real estate rumors in the past is ex-Browns and ex-Steelers coach Bill Cowher. "The Chin" appeared on radar last year as word spread that he had put in a bid for a house in Strongsville, Ohio. Cowher is currently a football analyst with CBS Sports.


Speculation is the the large bags of gold hand-delivered to Cowher’s home daily by CBS executives might be replaced by even larger bags of NFL team gold this off-season when the Steelers coach returns to the sidelines.
Here's where real estate comes in: A lot of the speculation has Cowher landing in Carolina to coach the Panthers because it's somewhat close to where Cowher lives now. His daughter also goes to school in Carolina.


For a lot of folks, that’s enough. Cowher lives in Carolina, he’s going to coach the Panthers. Game, set, match.


Since I don’t think a single real estate-based rumor has proven out in the ten years we've been writing Browns news items for the OBR, you’ll pardon our skepticism about this line of analysis.


Joining us in throwing cold water on the notion that Cowher is pre-destined to wind up in Carolina is Darin Gantt of the Herald-Enquirer, who points out that Panthers owner Bill Richardson isn’t married to the notion of hiring a big-name coach. Gantt’s analysis is that [URL="http://www.heraldonline.com/247/story/1795580.html"]Cowher is wrong for the Panthers’ economics, current roster and management structure[/URL].



For me, the kicker is that Panthers owner Bill Richardson still remembers the George Seifert experiment, when the Panthers attempted to build around an expensive, control-oriented head coach.


Come on. Is that all? But it’s an easy commute from where he currently lives!


We’ve been saying Cowher is in play for the Browns, and remains in play, regardless of where his daughter goes to college. Don't write this one off yet.

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I think that should be more like speculation that he won't end up in Carolina. I would think Carolina, Cleveland, and Houston are the most likely places for him.

If he does end up in Carolina, it would probably make Hurney expendable. Wonder if we should go after him then? He has ties to the area and the team.

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[quote=SmootSmack;637145]I think that should be more like speculation that he won't end up in Carolina. I would think Carolina, Cleveland, and Houston are the most likely places for him.

If he does end up in Carolina, it would probably make Hurney expendable. Wonder if we should go after him then? He has ties to the area and the team.[/quote]

Why would Cowher want to coach in houston?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637163]Why would Cowher want to coach in houston?[/quote]

houston has a great qb and good talent...they just need to get someone that kicks them in to winning

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[quote=doughtydoubter;637167]houston has a great qb and good talent...they just need to get someone that kicks them in to winning[/quote]

matt schuab is not a great qb by any definition of the term i've ever seen. its also houston. maybe its just because they've always sucked or been mediocre, but i cant see why any coach would want to go there, given the other options out there.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637060]Zorn may be fired within a few hours after the last game, but I doubt we have a new coach before the superbowl.[/quote]

Another month long search? How do you see that playing out? Let's assume the Colts and Saints make it to the SB? Is there an assistant you see Snyder waiting out like he did with Spags?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637169]matt schuab is not a great qb by any definition of the term i've ever seen. its also houston. maybe its just because they've always sucked or been mediocre, but i cant see why any coach would want to go there, given the other options out there.[/quote]

McNair is known as a very good owner to work for.. Rabid fan base, good talent base, the opportunity to really BE the face of the franchise's success. In Pittsburgh, Cowher's legacy will always be in the shadow of Rooney and Noll. If he succeeds in Houston he will be a God there.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637060]Zorn may be fired within a few hours after the last game, but I doubt we have a new coach before the superbowl.[/quote]

If Shanahan is the guy why would they wait?

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637163]Why would Cowher want to coach in houston?[/quote]

Good young talent and an owner willing to spend money and step out of the way

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[quote=Paintrain;637171]Another month long search? How do you see that playing out? Let's assume the Colts and Saints make it to the SB? Is there an assistant you see Snyder waiting out like he did with Spags?[/quote]

Well, there's a couple reasons I think it will take a while. First and foremost is Dallas. All of the HCs that Snyder would be interested in will want to wait and see whether or not Jones fires the pillsbury dough boy whenever the cowboys season ends. These coaches may not necessarily be interested in the job, but they'll atleast want to feign interest to leverage more money, power, etc. in their negotations with other teams. If Dallas somehow misses the playoffs and Wade is fired right after the season ends, then I can see things progressing much more quickly.

Secondly, due to a number of factors, I think its unlikely that Snyder will be able to secure any of his top choices to be our next coach. Given the recent performance of the 2008 draft class, the continued improvement Orakpo and Barnes, and the overall improvement of the offense since Sherman Lewis was brought in, I think Snyder keeps Cerrato around. And while this will upset most fans, Cerrato appears to have done a pretty good job running the show (atleast by the standards we're used to around here). With Cerrato arround, none of the premier guys will want to come here. Secondly, I really don't think this job is as attractive to many HCs as some of us fans would think. If there was any HC out there who would view washington as an ideal job, it was Jon Gruden. Knowing full well the job would become available, he signed an extension with ESPN. Shanahan's rebuffed Snyder several times, and despite all the reports, I just cant envision him here. I really think he ends up in Chicago with Cutler. Cowher would be my favorite to land the job, but I know i'm just dreaming there. He's coaching in Carolina or Cleaveland. By all reports, Holmgren just wants a front office job, and his comments about how the organization's treated Zorn make it apparent he's not coming here. So, with all of those guys essentially out of the picture (in my view), who's left? No one, really. If Jeff Fisher's fired in Tennessee, I could see Snyder bringing him in, but otherwise, i forsee a long, drawn-out coaching search, much like the one we had after Gibbs stepped down.

In the end, I think our head coach will be Gregg Williams, Jerry Gray, Charlie Weiss, Jim Fassel, Mooch, or a coordinator from one of the Superbowl teams.

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[quote=Mattyk72;637175]If Shanahan is the guy why would they wait?[/quote]

Because I don't think Shanahan's the guy. If any of the rumors we've been hearing are true, I think Shanahan's really just playing along with Snyder to help him get more money or control in another job. Houston would make the most sense, but my gut tells me he winds up in Chicago... although i think Dallas is a likely destination as well.

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[quote=Paintrain;637174]McNair is known as a very good owner to work for.. Rabid fan base, good talent base, the opportunity to really BE the face of the franchise's success. In Pittsburgh, Cowher's legacy will always be in the shadow of Rooney and Noll. If he succeeds in Houston he will be a God there.[/quote]

I get why the job itself could be viewed as attractive, but i just can't see Cowher going there. It just doesn't seem like the right "fit" to me. Warm weather, retractable roof... i dont know what it is. I just cant see it.

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I dissagree. I think Snyder has been doing his search since week 2. He will formally interview the minority candidate and then name Shannahan to the position. He will pay more than any other owner to get Mike. Shannahan will get the president HC role that he covets, Vinny will stay as VP and Snyder is owner/tool. Why go somewhere else when:
Top 5 defense with best defensive lineman in football
Total control of team
An owner that will buy any player you want
an Owner that will pay you more than anyone else
Once the offensive line is rebuilt, you have a very talented team.
Big market team

When you look at the advantages vs. disadvantages I pick this team 9 times out of 10 and so will Shanny.

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It will cost Chicago a lot of money to bring in Shanahan

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;637192]Well, there's a couple reasons I think it will take a while. First and foremost is Dallas. All of the HCs that Snyder would be interested in will want to wait and see whether or not Jones fires the pillsbury dough boy whenever the cowboys season ends. These coaches may not necessarily be interested in the job, but they'll atleast want to feign interest to leverage more money, power, etc. in their negotations with other teams. If Dallas somehow misses the playoffs and Wade is fired right after the season ends, then I can see things progressing much more quickly.

Secondly, due to a number of factors, I think its unlikely that Snyder will be able to secure any of his top choices to be our next coach. Given the recent performance of the 2008 draft class, the continued improvement Orakpo and Barnes, and the overall improvement of the offense since Sherman Lewis was brought in, I think Snyder keeps Cerrato around. And while this will upset most fans, Cerrato appears to have done a pretty good job running the show (atleast by the standards we're used to around here). With Cerrato arround, none of the premier guys will want to come here. Secondly, I really don't think this job is as attractive to many HCs as some of us fans would think. If there was any HC out there who would view washington as an ideal job, it was Jon Gruden. Knowing full well the job would become available, he signed an extension with ESPN. Shanahan's rebuffed Snyder several times, and despite all the reports, I just cant envision him here. I really think he ends up in Chicago with Cutler. Cowher would be my favorite to land the job, but I know i'm just dreaming there. He's coaching in Carolina or Cleaveland. By all reports, Holmgren just wants a front office job, and his comments about how the organization's treated Zorn make it apparent he's not coming here. So, with all of those guys essentially out of the picture (in my view), who's left? No one, really. If Jeff Fisher's fired in Tennessee, I could see Snyder bringing him in, but otherwise, i forsee a long, drawn-out coaching search, much like the one we had after Gibbs stepped down.

In the end, [B]I think our head coach will be Gregg Williams[/B], Jerry Gray, Charlie Weiss, Jim Fassel, Mooch, or a coordinator from one of the Superbowl teams.[/quote]

How do you figure BHA? :confused:

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Cowher, who resides in North Carolina, is largely expected to be wooed by the Panthers should they opt not to bring back John Fox for the final season on his deal. The [B]Texans[/B] and Bears would excite Cowher as well, according to a source, should they opt to make a move.

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/23/bills-contact-cowher-about-head-coaching-job/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Bills contact Cowher about head-coaching job «[/url]

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charlie weiss will go to chicago to be the Ocoodinator, they will keep their head coach.

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;637209]How do you figure BHA? :confused:[/quote]

Just one possibility, but i'll lay out my thinking if it were to play out -

If none of Snyder's "A-list" coaches want to come here, and Snyder retains Cerrato, he's going to have two big problems - 1) Forming a "B-list" and selecting a HC from there, 2) maintaining some sense of continuity so we're not starting over with an unknown (like Zorn); and 3) appeasing a fanbase that will be in full-on revolt mold.

Given that he's the guy the fans wanted in the first place and that he's a defensive-minded head coach who runs the same system we still use, hiring Williams would effectively solve problems 2 and 3. Williams would keep the offensive and defensive systems pretty much in place. Blache would undoubtably "retire," which would also please a great number of fans. Jerry Gray would be promoted to DC, with Sherm Lewis, Chris Meidt, or some other experienced WCO guy taking over the offense. In 2010, the team could pick up right where it left off and would be more in a position to have immediate succcess, as opposed to rebuilding from the ground up, as would be the case with most other hires.

Based on my understanding, Snyder and Williams both really like - and respect - eachother. The only obstacle which would prevent Williams from returning would be Cerrato, as he and williams dont like eachother. Well, Cerrato would understand that while he survived this particular offseason - he's still on an incredibly short leash. having immediate success with a new HC would be job security for him. From Williams perspective, he really liked it here in his 1st stint; he's familiar with the majority of the players; and i'm sure he'd rather be a HC here than a coordinator elsewhere. So it would make sense for everyone involved.

I'm not saying its the most likely scenario to occur, but thats how i could imagine it occuring, since you asked.

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On sports talk ESPN 980am/94.3fm on the Sports Fix Kevin Sheehan was speaking with someone asking what was going on around the wire and whoever it was finally got around to talking about Cowher. Basically said he spoke with a close friend of Cowher and according to them...Cowher has said "he has no interest in working for Snyder."