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[quote=Lotus;659037]Buges meant a great deal to this organization over the years. But the last few years his lines were not good and a lack of talent is just part of that equation. His units in recent years appeared to be poorly coached.

It's not certain that Foerster will be better than Buges but it's not certain that he will be worse, either.[/quote]

nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.

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I don't think Buges forgot how to coach these last few years. I honestly can't look at the talent level we've had coupled with the age/injuries and expect any better results.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;659047]nothing is certain, but bugel is without a doubt one of the top offensive line coaches in the history of the game - pretty much anyone other than him would be a downgrade of some sort. i know next to nothing about foerster, except for what i said - he's got some big shoes to fill, his lines have historically been unimpressive, and he most certainly wasnt our first (or second) choice. thats not to say he won't end up being a great coach for us, but my expectations are low.[/quote]

Buges was a great coach but personally I got the feeling that he was teaching an antiquated system. Grimm used the same system but evolved it while with Pittsburg. I didn't think Grimm even used the Zone blocking method but I recently read some where that the HC of the Cardinals talking about their OL and it's zone blocking scheme. Then I remembered people talking about Pittsburg's zone blocking being one of the best.

Anyway Buges was a great coach, the system worked great in the 80's and into the 90's. Also Buges taught "Man to Man" blocking. I'm not saying he had no clue but his forte was man to man. No different then some OL coach's are zone blocking specialists but struggle teaching man to man.

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[quote=Mattyk;659048]I don't think Buges forgot how to coach these last few years. I honestly can't look at the talent level we've had coupled with the age/injuries and expect any better results.[/quote]The right guard situation this year was a poorly coached joke though, but that was probably less Bugel being schizophrenic, and more an inconsistency in who was actually making the decisions.

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As much as I was let down by the McCardell hire I guess we will be alright. The Skins have atleast 3 coach's that used to be WR coach's in the past.

[B]Kyle Shanahan: [/B] In 2006, Shanahan was hired by Gary Kubiak to serve as wide receivers coach for the Houston Texans.

[B]Matt Lafleur:[/B] LaFleur worked with the wide receivers in his first season in Houston. That year, Andre Johnson led the NFL with 115 catches and 1,575 receiving yards. In addition, fellow receiver Kevin Walter chipped in 60 catches for 899 yards and eight touchdowns.

[B]Jon Embree:[/B] Prior to his stint in Kansas City, Embree served as the assistant head coach/tight ends (2004-2005) and assistant head coach/wide receivers (2003) at UCLA.

[B]Sean McVay:[/B] During his time in Tampa Bay, McVay worked closely with wide receiver Antonio Bryant, who recorded career-highs in receptions (83), receiving yards (1,248) and touchdowns (7) en route to winning The Sporting News Comeback Player of the Year Award.
The Tuskers finished a perfect 6-0 before losing in the UFL’s inaugural championship game. He worked as the Tuskers quality control/wide receivers coach last season after working with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as an offensive assistant in 2008.

I guess they have enough people to help McCardell with the WR's if needed. Plenty of coach's with expierence actually coaching WR's and with proven track records. So I guess McCardell is the Rookie coach in training.

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[quote=Redskin Warrior;658644][url=http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4864163]Source: Washington Redskins to hire Keenan McCardell as wide receivers coach - ESPN[/url]

Looks like McCardell is the man coaching the WR's[/quote]
his 3rd stint with the skins, now coaching heh

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[quote=Ruhskins;659003]So if we keep coming back to the Warpath, we are his site's whores? Snyder's whores? LOL. :cool-smil[/quote]
almost 20 years ago we brought him in.. he should def be the bottom bitch by now

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;659046]you're response to my post makes no sense. any time the team makes any sort of move, people are going to have opinions on it. do you feel we should all "wait and see" without having any feelings about any moves the skins ever make? if she skins signed terrell owens to a 8 year, 100MM contract, should we not have an opinion and just "wait and see" what happens? if the skins traded a 7th round pick to indy for peyton manning, should we surpress our excitement and take a "wait and see approach?"

if we all waited 2 years after everything the skins did to express an opinion, this would be a very very boring place, dont you agree?[/quote]
well in the case of individual players you pretty much know what you're bringing to the table

some coaches do great with what their FO's give them and then suck it up elsewhere, some do the opposite

like a team that largely ignores the O-Line (whomever that might be).. you're like damn their o-line coach must SUCK! but then you get say a LB coach fed pro-bowlers and you assume he's the best in the league, etc

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I've been away so I'm not sure if this was mentioned but Stan Hixon is the new WR coach for the Bills

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[quote=SmootSmack;659657]I've been away so I'm not sure if this was mentioned but Stan Hixon is the new WR coach for the Bills[/quote]

Good for Hixon, not that Buffalo is a hot bed of talent but they do have two high quality WR's.

Interesting that it seems like our coaches are getting calls and jobs, mostly the same or demotions, but still they are getting jobs around the league.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;659661]Good for Hixon, not that Buffalo is a hot bed of talent but they do have two high quality WR's.

Interesting that it seems like our coaches are getting calls and jobs, mostly the same or demotions, but still they are getting jobs around the league.[/quote]

I haven't seen anyone pick up Vinny yet? You?

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[quote=SmootSmack;659657]I've been away so I'm not sure if this was mentioned but Stan Hixon is the new WR coach for the Bills[/quote]

Wow, who knew the guy was qualified for a job outside of D.C.?

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[quote=tryfuhl;659421]almost 20 years ago we brought him in.. he should def be the bottom bitch by now[/quote]

Butters? Is that you?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;659661]Good for Hixon, not that Buffalo is a hot bed of talent but they do have two high quality WR's.[/quote]

Lee Evans and who? I believe Owens signed one year contract with Bills, not two?

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;659662]I haven't seen anyone pick up Vinny yet? You?[/quote]

Nope, lots of crickets chirping on that one!

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[quote=Mattyk;659665]Wow, who knew the guy was qualified for a job outside of D.C.?[/quote]
Come on, it's BUFFALO! No one goes there but the desperate!

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[quote=GridIron26;659671]Lee Evans and who? I believe Owens signed one year contract with Bills, not two?[/quote]

Yeah you are right, I just can't see him signing anywhere else at this point.

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lol @ meh's and who?'s

like any one of us could've told you a thing about some of these guys

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thought this was interesting...
Redskins interviewed Bad Moon Rison
Posted by Evan Silva on February 2, 2010 10:43 AM ET
Former five-time Pro Bowl receiver Andre "Bad Moon" Rison has gotten serious about a post-playing days coaching career.


He recently founded the Andre Rison Football Academy, which, according to the academy's website, will tour the United Kingdom this spring before traveling throughout the United States this summer.


FOX Sports' Jay Glazer now reports that Rison was among those interviewed for the Redskins' wide receivers coach vacancy in January. The position ultimately went to Keenan McCardell.

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Wach to Wahoos

[url=http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/cavs_add_wachenheim_to_staff/51727/]Cavs add Wachenheim to staff | Charlottesville Daily Progress[/url]

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Go 'Hoos!

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So since they're talking about how the McCardell/Allen meeting might be pretty awkward I guess Shanahan hired him; I wonder if it was all done over the phone?

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[quote=SmootSmack;659809]Wach to Wahoos

[URL="http://www2.dailyprogress.com/cdp/sports/cavalier_insider/ci_football/article/cavs_add_wachenheim_to_staff/51727/"]Cavs add Wachenheim to staff | Charlottesville Daily Progress[/URL][/quote]
Nice, thanks for that update. I hadn't heard that Bill Lazor had gone there. UVA could use all of the help that they could get. That's 2 quality guys on the ball side there.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;659679]Yeah you are right, I just can't see him signing anywhere else at this point.[/quote]

I don't see it neither; there's still no ongoing contact talk between Owens's agent and Bills that we know of.. Owens pretty much was nonfactor in his 1 yr stint with Bills.. I'm pretty sure Owens wants big bucks in his new contract and Bills might not feel he's worthy of it?

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I figure I post this for those who wanted Ray Brown to coach our OL, he will be assisting Mike Solari in SF:

former 49er Ray Brown is expected to be named assistant offensive line coach under Mike Solari. Brown played in San Francisco from 1996 to 2001.

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ray brown is the man.

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^^ Yup. ^^

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[quote=tryfuhl;660187]So since they're talking about how the McCardell/Allen meeting might be pretty awkward I guess Shanahan hired him; I wonder if it was all done over the phone?[/quote]

No all the rumors I've heard is that the Senior Bowl is a place where coach's go to get their names out there. Zorn was there, Saunders, McCardell and many others. It so happened that Shanahan and his contingent were there and spoke with him at the Senior Bowl. Coach liked what McCardell offered and offered him a job. I'm sure he most likely talked with Allen and DS to see if they had any issues with the pick.

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Also the fact that McCardell followed the team for a year as a analyst with Comcast had to play a part in the hiring. I remember his last statement on Comcast was offering to coach the young recievers on air... I guess he'll get his chance, I hope he does a good job!

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[quote=GridIron26;660193]I don't see it neither; there's still no ongoing contact talk between Owens's agent and Bills that we know of.. Owens pretty much was nonfactor in his 1 yr stint with Bills.. I'm pretty sure Owens wants big bucks in his new contract and Bills might not feel he's worthy of it?[/quote]

I felt the Buffalo move was to let T.O. go to a team and play and show his worth and be the model player. He did that. He played, he wasn't used for the first half of the year, he didn't complain, and he got more playing time after the HC was fired.

My best guess is that he's going to feel out the market. Plus there wouldn't much talk between Buffalo and him and his agent.... they were looking for a HC which is more important and the coaching staff. Then I guess they would let the new HC decide if they want to keep him or not.

Then there is the fact that there is probably only a few teams that will want him and even fewer that will pay him decently. Now the big question is will the Skins be a player considering Shanahan was interested in T.O. prior to his being fired by the Bronco's? There's no throwing away draft picks, no trading players or anything. If the team plays their cards right they can use the other WR's (Kevin Walter, and Antonio Bryant) against each other in order to get a decent deal for one of the elite WR's out there.

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[quote=SBXVII;660437]I felt the Buffalo move was to let T.O. go to a team and play and show his worth and be the model player. He did that. He played, he wasn't used for the first half of the year, he didn't complain, and he got more playing time after the HC was fired.

My best guess is that he's going to feel out the market. Plus there wouldn't much talk between Buffalo and him and his agent.... they were looking for a HC which is more important and the coaching staff. Then I guess they would let the new HC decide if they want to keep him or not.

Then there is the fact that there is probably only a few teams that will want him and even fewer that will pay him decently. Now the big question is will the Skins be a player considering Shanahan was interested in T.O. prior to his being fired by the Bronco's? There's no throwing away draft picks, no trading players or anything. If the team plays their cards right they can use the other WR's (Kevin Walter, and Antonio Bryant) against each other in order to get a decent deal for one of the elite WR's out there.[/quote]

No question, Owens will want to test the market.. Like CRedskins said, I don't see any team that would be interested in signing Owens, unless one of their #1 WR got injured and can't play for significant time.. However, I just saw a rumor link on ESPN.com that says that OCNN claims that Bengals re going after Owens? I can't really imagine that happening though..

As for Redskins (or Shanahan?) going after Owens; I really hope that won't be the scenario, only because we have three young WRs that have some potentials.. Signing Owens would only stunt our youngsters' growth.. Beside we would be adding another diva show into the team, right when Portis, alone is more than enough.. Some people are saying that we should sign Kevin Walter or Antonio Bryant, I really believe that we should give our young receivers a chance before we decide to go after FA receivers.. And not to mention we have Cooley and Davis, that we are supposedly planning to utilize together.. By adding more weapons would only complicate things for Shanahan(s)..

But once again, Shanahan is an offense genius; maybe he won't be overwhelmed and have any problem utilize all players..

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[quote=SBXVII;660427]No all the rumors I've heard is that the Senior Bowl is a place where coach's go to get their names out there. Zorn was there, Saunders, McCardell and many others. It so happened that Shanahan and his contingent were there and spoke with him at the Senior Bowl. Coach liked what McCardell offered and offered him a job. I'm sure he most likely talked with Allen and DS to see if they had any issues with the pick.[/quote]
Yeah I just figured that Allen would've talked to him at the Bowl as well. He was there right?

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[quote=diehardskin2982;660434]Also the fact that McCardell followed the team for a year as a analyst with Comcast had to play a part in the hiring. I remember his last statement on Comcast was offering to coach the young recievers on air... I guess he'll get his chance, I hope he does a good job![/quote]

KM was part of the Bill Walsh Minority Coaching Fellowship last summer, and worked with the NY Giants' receivers during training camp. Judging by how the Giants WRs did this year, I think he did ok.

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[quote=tryfuhl;660589]Yeah I just figured that Allen would've talked to him at the Bowl as well. He was there right?[/quote]

He may have, we really don't know. I think if anything it hopefully shows that Shanahan is being allowed to build "his" team" vs. the owner or Allen bringing in a someone they want or someone to fill a roll.

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Yes, Allen was at the senior bowl.

[QUOTE]At the Senior Bowl practices, Shanahan, general manager Bruce Allen and director of player personnel Scott Campbell are the principle figures for the Redskins.[/QUOTE]

[url=http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/For_Redskins__All_Eyes_On_the_Senior_Bowl_102125.jsp]For Redskins, All Eyes On the Senior Bowl[/url]

You know what's funny, I didn't hear anything about Snyder being there.

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[quote=SBXVII;660626]He may have, we really don't know. I think if anything it hopefully shows that Shanahan is being allowed to build "his" team" vs. the owner or Allen bringing in a someone they want or someone to fill a roll.[/quote]

Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear.

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[quote=GridIron26;660455]No question, Owens will want to test the market.. Like CRedskins said, I don't see any team that would be interested in signing Owens, unless one of their #1 WR got injured and can't play for significant time.. However, I just saw a rumor link on ESPN.com that says that OCNN claims that Bengals re going after Owens? I can't really imagine that happening though..

As for Redskins (or Shanahan?) going after Owens; I really hope that won't be the scenario, only because we have three young WRs that have some potentials.. Signing Owens would only stunt our youngsters' growth.. Beside we would be adding another diva show into the team, right when Portis, alone is more than enough.. Some people are saying that we should sign Kevin Walter or Antonio Bryant, I really believe that we should give our young receivers a chance before we decide to go after FA receivers.. And not to mention we have Cooley and Davis, that we are supposedly planning to utilize together.. By adding more weapons would only complicate things for Shanahan(s)..

But once again, Shanahan is an offense genius; maybe he won't be overwhelmed and have any problem utilize all players..[/quote]

I totally agree in regards to seeing our young WR's hopefully getting playing time. I'm on the fence with any other WR being brought in, but I could see us finding a better replacement for ARE and that replacement might be Kevin Walter who played a similar roll in Houston. Plus he's worked with Kyle Shanahan and his Assistant. I could see us going in a different direction from Moss. I know that sounds taboo but I could see them swapping Moss out with Bryant or T.O. I don't necessarily want T.O. it's just that these are the few WR's that are FA with out any ties. We would not have to give up any draft picks or trade out any players to get one. I like Moss but I just don't see him as a #1 WR. Will any of the young ones step up to fill that roll as #1?

It's just a feeling but I think the team steps up and finds a bona fide #1 WR so there's no question about who is going to step up, then hope that the new coaching staff can get any of the three young WR's to step up into that roll. Which if that's the case then getting a WR possibly with a one yr deal would be best and if by next yr none step up then you know you either have to give the WR brought in a new contract for the future or draft a #1 WR. I think the other FA's would want more then a 1 yr deal other then T.O. Then there's the reports that Shanny tried to get T.O. and fell short. Do you think he will let it happen again? Especially if T.O. is a FA with no strings attached other then to sign him. I kinda hope I'm wrong, but I could also see him here taking two DB's which would get Moss, Thomas, Kelly or Mitchell open more often.

Again I'd rather see Walter replacing ARE and Bryant replacing Moss with Thomas, Kelly, and Mitchell rounding out the WR corpse. What I'm affraid will happen is we pick up T.O., let ARE go and have Moss, Thomas, Kelly and Mitchell. I don't see us going after Marshall because we would have to give up a high draft pick and Denver is not stupid enough to simply cut him. They will want to get something out of him.

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[quote=SmootSmack;660612]KM was part of the Bill Walsh Minority Coaching Fellowship last summer, and worked with the NY Giants' receivers during training camp. Judging by how the Giants WRs did this year, I think he did ok.[/quote]

All this tells me is he went to a camp in which the Giants WR coach taught new coachs how to coach. How much information was given, how much information was retained, how good the camp was all together all remains to be seen.

I think what we have to hope for is McCardell can get his talents across to the young guys and the young guys understand it and apply it.

But as I pointed out earlier we have several other offensive coachs that have been WR coachs prior to their current positions so I guess I'm not worrying.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;660632]Exactly. The whole point of getting the organization right, was that decisions were made by the "appropriate" person. I don't think a GM should make the final call on a position coach. I imagine Shanahan talked to BA and got his opinion, and maybe Snyder's to, but it's Shanahan's call to make. No more, "he's a VC guy, or a DS guy, or a whoever guy" if the coach is on the staff, it's Shanahan's responsibility - for good or bad.

[B]Sometimes when you've been a bad relationship for a long time, when you get out, you still don't know what a good relationship even looks like. That is the best explanation I can come up with for a LOT of the fan comments I see and hear[/B].[/quote]

Tell it brother. Don't I know it!

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[quote=Mattyk;660628]Yes, Allen was at the senior bowl.



[URL="http://www.redskins.com/gen/articles/For_Redskins__All_Eyes_On_the_Senior_Bowl_102125.jsp"]For Redskins, All Eyes On the Senior Bowl[/URL]

You know what's funny, I didn't hear anything about Snyder being there.[/quote]
Thought that I had seen that he was; also did not hear anything about Snyder, not that I'd have the info if it was secret, but even a Google query brought up nothing.