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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708476]Look, take away the aspect that there might be an agenda behind this.

It's very simple.

Basic Plumbing 101:

1. Unscrew the bolts holding the couplers together.

2. Take off the damaged pipe.

3. Have another pipe with a relief valve on it and the bolts pre-welded in ready. Make sure the relief valve is open so the pressure from the oil will not blow off the new pipe.

4. Bolt on the new pipe.

5. Close the relief valve.

Problem solved.[/quote]

Your idea would indeed work if it wasn't for the fact that the well casing itself was damaged during the top-kill operation.

The actual well casing itself is now damaged, and oil is leaking from it up through the sea floor. That's why BP gave up on the idea of installing a new blowout preventer. The pressure from having the wellhead suddenly closed would blowout what is left of the well casing, leaving a leak way worse and with no way to fix it.

And to joetheismanfan -- all of your points are correct. When Bill Nye the science guy was on TV, he explained that even though wells only produce typically for 5 to 10 years, the level of oil in this macondo well, while not infinite, has the potential to flow for the next 100 years.

A relief well is also not a sure bet. The government's private scientists have said in the past that drilling a relief well at this depth, has only about a 30 to 40% chance of success. We all universally agree that what has happened is beyond the limits of man and even science...at this point, the only person who will fix the gulf is GOD. I'm not trying to be a religious nut, but that's the truth....

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[url=http://www.care2.com/news/member/563908333/1674199]Experts agree BP oil well casing has failed: Relief wells ma... - Care2 News Network[/url]

This is the article that states how the well casing has already failed. For a nightmare scenario, read the comment below the article that states what will happen if the well were to collapse due to the blowout.

[B]What may happen is the two relief wells may also blow from the tremendous pressure and we will end up with three times the oil flowing into the Gulf than what is currently killing the ecosystem and this may be the BEST case scenario. The worst case could be a complete collapse of the sea floor above the oil field causing an explosion comparable to Mount St. Helen's eruption only 50 miles offshore. The resulting tsunami would completely destroy the entire state of Florida because it is barely above sea level. The death toll could easily be in the 10's of millions as, as much as a mile or more of coastal shoreline around the entire Gulf of Mexico would be swamped by the tsunami.[/B]

So there you go. The worst has not even happened yet. A worst case scenario would leave 10's of millions dead, the entire gulf wiped out, and the state of florida crumbled into the sea floor.

I think this is almost apocalyptic, but the science behind the article says that it all could theoretically happen. I don't think it will be this bad, but we probably really truly haven't seen the worst yet.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708623]Your idea would indeed work if it wasn't for the fact that the well casing itself was damaged during the top-kill operation.

The actual well casing itself is now damaged, and oil is leaking from it up through the sea floor. That's why BP gave up on the idea of installing a new blowout preventer. The pressure from having the wellhead suddenly closed would blowout what is left of the well casing, leaving a leak way worse and with no way to fix it.

And to joetheismanfan -- all of your points are correct. When Bill Nye the science guy was on TV, he explained that even though wells only produce typically for 5 to 10 years, the level of oil in this macondo well, while not infinite, has the potential to flow for the next 100 years.

A relief well is also not a sure bet. The government's private scientists have said in the past that drilling a relief well at this depth, has only about a 30 to 40% chance of success. We all universally agree that what has happened is beyond the limits of man and even science...at this point, the only person who will fix the gulf is GOD. I'm not trying to be a religious nut, but that's the truth....[/quote]


I'm changing my name form JTF to The Prophe-seer. I said let's pray on day 38.

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[url=http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-06-23/bp-reinstalls-cap-on-gulf-oil-leak-intercept-well-on-track.html]BP Reinstalls Cap on Gulf Oil Leak, Intercept Well on Track - BusinessWeek[/url]

They're saying this morning the relief well is on track... but at this point I really don't have much faith in what BP says

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708626][URL="http://www.care2.com/news/member/563908333/1674199"]Experts agree BP oil well casing has failed: Relief wells ma... - Care2 News Network[/URL]

This is the article that states how the well casing has already failed. For a nightmare scenario, read the comment below the article that states what will happen if the well were to collapse due to the blowout.

[B]What may happen is the two relief wells may also blow from the tremendous pressure and we will end up with three times the oil flowing into the Gulf than what is currently killing the ecosystem and this may be the BEST case scenario. The worst case could be a complete collapse of the sea floor above the oil field causing an explosion comparable to Mount St. Helen's eruption only 50 miles offshore. The resulting tsunami would completely destroy the entire state of Florida because it is barely above sea level. The death toll could easily be in the 10's of millions as, as much as a mile or more of coastal shoreline around the entire Gulf of Mexico would be swamped by the tsunami.[/B]

So there you go. The worst has not even happened yet. A worst case scenario would leave 10's of millions dead, the entire gulf wiped out, and the state of florida crumbled into the sea floor.

I think this is almost apocalyptic, but the science behind the article says that it all could theoretically happen. I don't think it will be this bad, but we probably really truly haven't seen the worst yet.[/quote]

Sweet Jesus. Now that's a worst case scenario.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708623]Your idea would indeed work if it wasn't for the fact that the well casing itself was damaged during the top-kill operation.

The actual well casing itself is now damaged, and oil is leaking from it up through the sea floor. That's why BP gave up on the idea of installing a new blowout preventer. The pressure from having the wellhead suddenly closed would blowout what is left of the well casing, leaving a leak way worse and with no way to fix it.

And to joetheismanfan -- all of your points are correct. When Bill Nye the science guy was on TV, he explained that even though wells only produce typically for 5 to 10 years, the level of oil in this macondo well, while not infinite, has the potential to flow for the next 100 years.

A relief well is also not a sure bet. The government's private scientists have said in the past that drilling a relief well at this depth, has only about a 30 to 40% chance of success. We all universally agree that what has happened is beyond the limits of man and even science...at this point, the only person who will fix the gulf is GOD. I'm not trying to be a religious nut, but that's the truth....[/quote]

Thanks Snake. I didn't know they cracked the casing. Jackasses. Who tries to shove golf balls down a pipe shooting out oil at hundreds of lbs psi? They can still put on a pipe and get a good 75% of the product. I'm not willing to give up and let God be the answer. God helps those who help themselves.

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Oh, when in doubt. Blame the government.

[url=http://jewishworldreview.com/cols/williams062310.php3]Walter Williams[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708626][URL="http://www.care2.com/news/member/563908333/1674199"]Experts agree BP oil well casing has failed: Relief wells ma... - Care2 News Network[/URL]

This is the article that states how the well casing has already failed. For a nightmare scenario, read the comment below the article that states what will happen if the well were to collapse due to the blowout.

[B]What may happen is the two relief wells may also blow from the tremendous pressure and we will end up with three times the oil flowing into the Gulf than what is currently killing the ecosystem and this may be the BEST case scenario. The worst case could be a complete collapse of the sea floor above the oil field causing an explosion comparable to Mount St. Helen's eruption only 50 miles offshore. The resulting tsunami would completely destroy the entire state of Florida because it is barely above sea level. The death toll could easily be in the 10's of millions as, as much as a mile or more of coastal shoreline around the entire Gulf of Mexico would be swamped by the tsunami.[/B]

So there you go. The worst has not even happened yet. A worst case scenario would leave 10's of millions dead, the entire gulf wiped out, and the state of florida crumbled into the sea floor.

I think this is almost apocalyptic, but the science behind the article says that it all could theoretically happen. I don't think it will be this bad, but we probably really truly haven't seen the worst yet.[/quote]

I just followed the link you posted. The part in bold is actually just a comment from a reader, not an "article." So really it's just some joe shmo totally speculating. Who knows if it's based in any fact whatsoever.

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[quote=GMScud;708676]I just followed the link you posted. The part in bold is actually just a comment from a reader, not an "article." So really it's just some joe shmo totally speculating. Who knows if it's based in any fact whatsoever.[/quote]

We quoting comments now? You got me. I guess I am just regular old JTF, and not the Prophe-seer.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;708690]We quoting comments now? You got me. I guess I am just regular old JTF, and not the Prophe-seer.[/quote]

That was a reader comment, indeed. However, the reader is correct in their worst-case scenario, as the article clearly explains what COULD happen. Yes it's a nightmare scenario, but it is all scientifically plausible.

At this point with the disaster, everybody from you and me, to BP and the government are speculating, just like that person that posted the comment.

The bastards are making things up as they go, so it's impossible for somebody to not speculate on what the outcome is.

We can be honest with ourselves and say assuredly that the above scenario will probably not happen, but being factual and scientific, the possibility exists if certain things happen.

The biggest danger thus far is the well casing exploding from the pressure due to the fact that it is already damaged, and already leaking. That is why they stopped "Top Kill", because pieces of the blowout preventer were literally coming up from the well. They knew that much more and the well could explode.

So the issue from here out is can the well casing survive long enough for the relief wells to be finished, AND survive the pumping of mud and cement to permanantly close the damaged well. The other big maybe is that the relief wells work. The scientists say it is a 30 to 40% chance that they are successful.

And one last thing, as of today, the existing blowout preventer is titling at a 15 degree angle. It has been falling over the past few weeks, and unless supports are installed, it will fall over, ruining the containment cap and pipe that is taking oil and gas to the surface...

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708718]That was a reader comment, indeed. However, the reader is correct in their worst-case scenario, as the article clearly explains what COULD happen. Yes it's a nightmare scenario, but it is all scientifically plausible.

At this point with the disaster, everybody from you and me, to BP and the government are speculating, just like that person that posted the comment.

The bastards are making things up as they go, so it's impossible for somebody to not speculate on what the outcome is.

We can be honest with ourselves and say assuredly that the above scenario will probably not happen, but being factual and scientific, the possibility exists if certain things happen.

The biggest danger thus far is the well casing exploding from the pressure due to the fact that it is already damaged, and already leaking. That is why they stopped "Top Kill", because pieces of the blowout preventer were literally coming up from the well. They knew that much more and the well could explode.

So the issue from here out is can the well casing survive long enough for the relief wells to be finished, AND survive the pumping of mud and cement to permanantly close the damaged well. The other big maybe is that the relief wells work. The scientists say it is a 30 to 40% chance that they are successful.

And one last thing, as of today, the existing blowout preventer is titling at a 15 degree angle. It has been falling over the past few weeks, and unless supports are installed, it will fall over, ruining the containment cap and pipe that is taking oil and gas to the surface...[/quote]

Thanks snake, so I am the Prophe-seer, or in BP's case the Prophe-C-YA!!!

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708718]That was a reader comment, indeed. However, the reader is correct in their worst-case scenario, as the article clearly explains what COULD happen. Yes it's a nightmare scenario, but it is all scientifically plausible.
...

[B]The biggest danger thus far is the well casing exploding from the pressure due to the fact that it is already damaged, and already leaking. That is why they stopped "Top Kill", because pieces of the blowout preventer were literally coming up from the well. They knew that much more and the well could explode.[/B]
So the issue from here out is can the well casing survive long enough for the relief wells to be finished, AND survive the pumping of mud and cement to permanantly close the damaged well. The other big maybe is that the relief wells work. The scientists say it is a 30 to 40% chance that they are successful.

[B]And one last thing, as of today, the existing blowout preventer is titling at a 15 degree angle. It has been falling over the past few weeks, and unless supports are installed, it will fall over, ruining the containment cap and pipe that is taking oil and gas to the surface[/B]...[/quote]

Why, y'all just need to send ol' TTE out there to change out that there pipe with a couple of lug nuts and rubber cee-ment! He'll have that bad boy up and running in no time. You and you're know-it-all scintists are just overthinking the problem!

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[quote=JoeRedskin;708746]Why, y'all just need to send ol' TTE out there to change out that there pipe with a couple of lug nuts and rubber cee-ment! He'll have that bad boy up and running in no time. You and you're [B]know-it-all scintists[/B] are just overthinking the problem![/quote]

They've done such a wonderful job so far.

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I found this interesting:

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No way a wave would destroy all of Florida , the wave would have to be close to 20,000 ft high , and would need much more sustained wake/power to travel across 300 miles of land . These types of waves usually travel up to five miles inland .

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[quote=JoeRedskin;708746]Why, y'all just need to send ol' TTE out there to change out that there pipe with a couple of lug nuts and rubber cee-ment! He'll have that bad boy up and running in no time. You and you're know-it-all scintists are just overthinking the problem![/quote]

I was trained in the petroleum field in 1997 at the Army Quartermaster School in Fort Lee Virginia. But I'm sure that's just some hay seed institution for cousin banging hicks to you.

I know some guys who can fix this leak.

[url=http://www.ua.org/]United Association Homepage[/url]

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[quote=GMScud;708676]I just followed the link you posted. The part in bold is actually just a comment from a reader, not an "article." So really it's just some joe shmo totally speculating. Who knows if it's based in any fact whatsoever.[/quote]

I guess its based on some facts, but the conclusion is pure speculation

Summery:
[url=http://daviddegraw.org/2010/06/will-the-bp-oil-spill-set-off-a-supersonic-tsunami/]Will the BP Oil Spill Set Off A Tsunami? [Updated: 6/21 - See Below] | David DeGraw[/url]

actual articles:

[url=http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gIXWYBTpLtSayJtg41LKXpxSxVPAD9GDJBO84]The Associated Press: Gulf oil full of methane, adding new concerns[/url]

[url=http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions/print]Helium - Where Knowledge Rules[/url]

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[quote=Trample the Elderly;708796]I was trained in the petroleum field in 1997 at the Army Quartermaster School in Fort Lee Virginia. But I'm sure that's just some hay seed institution for cousin banging hicks to you.

I know some guys who can fix this leak.

[url=http://www.ua.org/]United Association Homepage[/url][/quote]

Are you pro union guy?

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[quote=mlmpetert;708811]Are you pro union guy?[/quote]
if he is, thats a real surprise. for the record, i am( not that it matters)

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[quote=budw38;708781]No way a wave would destroy all of Florida , the wave would have to be close to 20,000 ft high , and would need much more sustained wake/power to travel across 300 miles of land . These types of waves usually travel up to five miles inland .[/quote]

For what it's worth, i dont think that scenario would happen, even though its scientifically possible.

The wave though, would have some power driving it, as they just said last night on TV that the undersea collapse and subsequent pressure explosion would be 2.5 times the force of the Chernobyl nPP explosion.

Even if this stuff never happens, and i pray it won't, it's scary that this scope of a disaster is now scientifically possible, when 3 months ago BP told all of their lies, said the leak was only 3,000 barrels a day, blah blah blah. Now their disaster they caused could potentially kill millions of people, ruin the gulf permanantly, and now destroy most of the entire state of florida.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;708879]For what it's worth, i dont think that scenario would happen, even though its scientifically possible.

The wave though, would have some power driving it, as they just said last night on TV that the undersea collapse and subsequent pressure explosion would be 2.5 times the force of the Chernobyl nPP explosion.

Even if this stuff never happens, and i pray it won't, it's scary that this scope of a disaster is now scientifically possible, when 3 months ago BP told all of their lies, said the leak was only 3,000 barrels a day, blah blah blah. Now their disaster they caused could potentially kill millions of people, ruin the gulf permanantly, and now destroy most of the entire state of florida.[/quote] Im not an expert on science , but for the wave / water to maintain enough energy to travel across the entire state , I doubt is possible . I would guess that 20 miles inland would be max . Not to argue with you on this , I hope nothing close ever happens . Oil is a natural commodity that has leaked from our ocean floors for thousands of years , so this just make things much worse because of the amount and location .... I say waterboard the CEO and all guilty parties .

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[quote=mlmpetert;708811]Are you pro union guy?[/quote]

It depends on the union and the hall.

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Why doesn't Obama just give this oil skimming ship a free pass by executive order. The EPA has not given it the OK to skim the oil and they also are holding it up because it does not fly an American flag. Here is the part of the article where Obama could step in and let this ship start sucking up oil.


"A large-scale disaster needs a large-scale solution," Su told a crowd of reporters, shipping executives and regulators.

A Whale could handle 500,000 barrels of oily water a day, or slightly less than what all the skimmers now in the Gulf have gathered in more than 60 days on the job, Su said.

A no-brainer? Not quite.

Because the vessel is Taiwanese and was built in South Korea, it needs an exemption from the Jones Act, a federal law requiring commercial ships doing business in U.S. coastal waters to be American-flagged.

Then there are environmental concerns. Because the ship would discharge water back into the Gulf, albeit after much of the oil had been skimmed away, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency must go along with the deal.

Compounding the problem is that A Whale has never actually processed oily water before - though it did pass a recent test in Portugal, where a foaming agent was sucked into the ship's bowels at sea and "did quite nicely," said Bob Grantham, an executive with TMT Group.


[URL="http://hamptonroads.com/2010/06/massive-oilskimming-ship-makes-stop-norfolk?cid=srch"]Massive oil-skimming ship makes stop in Norfolk | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/URL]

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[quote=firstdown;709361]Why doesn't Obama just give this oil skinning ship a free pass by excutive order. The EPA has not given it the OK to skim the oil and they also are holding it up because it does not fly an American flag. Here is the part of the article where Obama could step in and let this ship start sucking up oil.


"A large-scale disaster needs a large-scale solution," Su told a crowd of reporters, shipping executives and regulators.

A Whale could handle 500,000 barrels of oily water a day, or slightly less than what all the skimmers now in the Gulf have gathered in more than 60 days on the job, Su said.

A no-brainer? Not quite.

Because the vessel is Taiwanese and was built in South Korea, it needs an exemption from the Jones Act, a federal law requiring commercial ships doing business in U.S. coastal waters to be American-flagged.

Then there are environmental concerns. Because the ship would discharge water back into the Gulf, albeit after much of the oil had been skimmed away, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency must go along with the deal.

Compounding the problem is that A Whale has never actually processed oily water before - though it did pass a recent test in Portugal, where a foaming agent was sucked into the ship's bowels at sea and "did quite nicely," said Bob Grantham, an executive with TMT Group.


[url=http://hamptonroads.com/2010/06/massive-oilskimming-ship-makes-stop-norfolk?cid=srch]Massive oil-skimming ship makes stop in Norfolk | HamptonRoads.com | PilotOnline.com[/url][/quote]


Okay stop the oil and destroy the environment, like them fake ass sand berms. A 36 inch pipe. Whatever? Everyone is desperate drawing at straws. Should have though about all that when BP was sending them checks. EPA is here for a reason. Them foolsd trying to save the beach they don't care nothing about the fishing or the wild life. Lay down with oil companies you catch spills. Florida should be okay eff Lousiana, Missisippi , and Alabama (because they still want to drill, Florida doesn't want that crap around them).

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;709368]Okay stop the oil and destroy the environment, like them fake ass sand berms. A 36 inch pipe. Whatever? Everyone is desperate drawing at straws. Should have though about all that when BP was sending them checks. EPA is here for a reason. Them foolsd trying to save the beach they don't care nothing about the fishing or the wild life. Lay down with oil companies you catch spills. Florida should be okay eff Lousiana, Missisippi , and Alabama (because they still want to drill, Florida doesn't want that crap around them).[/quote]

Looks like you started drinking early today.

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So, from a quote in firstdown's article: [QUOTE]Ironically, the ship was originally built as a supertanker for oil. But soon afterward, the BP oil spill began off the Louisiana coast, and Su saw an opportunity.[/QUOTE]

It seems like this would be an excellent example of private innovation supported by government limiting it's interference to allow for a response to an emergency. I guess what I would see making sense is allowing this thing to run trials on the actual spill area, and pass its certifications while accomplishing the main task. I don't know the whole plan, but if it works it would be a major tool in this type of disaster...

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[quote=firstdown;709370]Looks like you started drinking early today.[/quote]

How can you tell when he stops?

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FD or anyone who lives on the water inour area or has gone to ocean city this weekend.

My cousin was at OC this weekend, he said the fishing and marine life was astounding. He said for as far as the eye could see it was full of whiting fish. he said there were guys catching 5-6 foot sharks one after another, he said there were whales no more than 150 yds from shore, etc.

just wondering if all the marine life are migrators from the florida waters.

the way he made it seem, it sounded like a stampede/parade of marine life making its way up north.

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Well I was in Nags Head NC and I did not notice any rush of marine life. I will have to say that I even commented to my wife that the water was as clear as I ever recall over 30 yrs or more of going to this beach and she agreed. Fish do migrate but most do not go much further the SC in their migration. Not sure about the whales migration. I do keep up with the fishing in our area and I have not heard of anything unusual about the fishing season.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;709371]So, from a quote in firstdown's article:

It seems like this would be an excellent example of private innovation supported by government limiting it's interference to allow for a response to an emergency. I guess what I would see making sense is allowing this thing to run trials on the actual spill area, and pass its certifications while accomplishing the main task. I don't know the whole plan, but if it works it would be a major tool in this type of disaster...[/quote]

Yeah every joker that pops up out the blue send them out there. Man please!

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Yall funny yall think this is Katrina. I don't see American citizens standing in waist deep water for 4 days with helicopters flying around not picking them up or dropping food? Do you? I don't hear about the leader of FEMA "Brownie boy" resume highlight he led a horse raising farm, worrying aobut a press conference and excited he is gonna be on TV while people are drowning. Do you? Idiots, the longer it lasts and longer yall talk the quicker it's gonna get put on the GOP.

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Yea all those helicopters just flew around looking at stuff. Also if the water was only waist deep why were people drowing?

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I'm talking 4 days after the fact this was going on. Yes they were flying around looking taking pictures not picking people up. Worrying about looting but not bringing food until a week opr two later. These were live picutes of an American city under water. Millitary people asked to go. You prolly wasn't that concerned with Katrina I watched it all. You only concerned about Bush's reputation after over 1500 americans drowned. Oops you [B]might[/B] be from the Michelle Bachman school, they [B]might[/B] not have been real Americans. This spill is what happens when coporations write their own rules. They put profit before the lively hood of millions of people at risk for profits when the victims have nothing to gain from these same profits. All risk no reward. Is that capitalism?

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So your on what your 3rd six pack of PBR or do you drink the good stuff Natural Light. Why do you keep bringing up Katrina. I'm guessing its because you know Obama has screwed this up so you want to point out what Bush screwed up to take attention away from Obama.

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[quote=firstdown;709405]So your on what your 3rd six pack of PBR or do you drink the good stuff Natural Light. Why do you keep bringing up Katrina. I'm guessing its because you know Obama has screwed this up so you want to point out what Bush screwed up to take attention away from Obama.[/quote]

umm know he screwed up not going after then from day one after the inauguration. He will fuck them over. Because you tryna follow the party strategy which is another so called waterloo. what about unemployment checks and apologizing to bp. what about picking on hispanic looking people. what about the arizona ranchers mad cause the drug cartels stopped paying them? They weren't complaining before. nothing changed on the Mexican border in the last 100 years. dumb strategies by GOP.

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;709398]I'm talking 4 days after the fact this was going on. Yes they were flying around looking taking pictures not picking people up. Worrying about looting but not bringing food until a week opr two later. These were live picutes of an American city under water. Millitary people asked to go. You prolly wasn't that concerned with Katrina I watched it all. You only concerned about Bush's reputation after over 1500 americans drowned. Oops you [B]might[/B] be from the Michelle Bachman school, they [B]might[/B] not have been real Americans. This spill is what happens when coporations write their own rules. They put profit before the lively hood of millions of people at risk for profits when the victims have nothing to gain from these same profits. All risk no reward. Is that capitalism?[/quote]
Your Govener REFUSED to evacuate , and your mayor let 300 buses sit in a parking lot , instead of getting the residents of N.O. to safety ... wise up Jaworski [URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9613133..... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477162/posts[/URL] ....[url=http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46444]WorldNetDaily: AOL poll: President slays mayor on storm[/url]

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[quote=joethiesmanfan;709427]umm know he screwed up not going after then from day one after the inauguration. He will fuck them over. Because you tryna follow the party strategy which is another so called waterloo. what about unemployment checks and apologizing to bp. what about picking on hispanic looking people. what about the arizona ranchers mad cause the drug cartels stopped paying them? They weren't complaining before. nothing changed on the Mexican border in the last 100 years. dumb strategies by GOP.[/quote]

You made this post at 6:30 pm yesterday and you must have been on your 4 six pack of PBR.

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[quote=budw38;709431]Your Govener REFUSED to evacuate , and your mayor let 300 buses sit in a parking lot , instead of getting the residents of N.O. to safety ... wise up Jaworski [URL]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9613133..... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477162/posts[/URL] ....[url=http://70.85.195.205/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46444]WorldNetDaily: AOL poll: President slays mayor on storm[/url][/quote]

So no helicopters huh? I guess it wasn't important.