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Green was a very good player at GA but who's to say he comes in and shines for us? We don't even have a QB right now, We can pick up a WR in the 2nd if needed. Baldwin and T Young will both be available. I do agree that Green is better than Jones, but I would try and trade out of 10 maybe with STL who needs a WR more than us believe it or not

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[quote=skinsfaninok;789677]Green was a very good player at GA but who's to say he comes in and shines for us? We don't even have a QB right now, We can pick up a WR in the 2nd if needed. Baldwin and T Young will both be available. I do agree that Green is better than Jones, but I would try and trade out of 10 maybe with STL who needs a WR more than us believe it or not[/quote]

I expect Green to be at that level where he'll always be able to put up numbers assuming his QB is competent. If he has the right QB he'll be able to put up 1,500 yards, otherwise he'll be a solid 1,000+ contributer, even with someone like Grossman throwing to him. He is one of the rare talents that won't be completely dependent on being drafted to a team with a Peyton Manning or Phillip Rivers to produce.

Personally Green is the only receiver I'm really interested in drafting during day one. Otherwise we're better off looking at QB's and 3-4 front players (OLB's and DL's) for our first two picks.

Here, watch these cherry picked highlights and fall in love with the wonder that is AJ Green
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As for St. Louis, NFL Network was talking about how they're worried about being pegged with Julio Jones because they think other teams will notice that he's a good fit and jump them.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;789676]While I agree with the sentiment of building with the lines I still don't think you pass up someone like Green who has that combination of skill, smarts, and work ethic. Quinn will be good but I like to look at it this way. In 5 years would you have a better chance of convincing a team to trade Quinn for Green or Green for Quinn. Personally I think Green will be the type of player where you wouldn't even be able to offer up Orakpo and get him in a straight up trade.[/quote]

Perhaps you are right about Green. No offense Dirt but while I think he is a very good player, in my eyes you are overestimating him. But perhaps you are correct.

I'm with Okie on this one. Rather than taking Green, should he be there at #10, we should get a king's ransom from the Rams if they want Green. We can still feed the front at #14 and have an extra pick for a NT or QB.

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I think AJ Green is going to be a special talent. I'm not getting the Julio Jones love affair with fans. Jones wasn't a top 15 talent prior the combine, now all of a sudden he's a top 10 talent? Green was a top 5 talent prior to the draft and should stay that way.


People put too much emphasis on the NFL combine. (especially Al Davis)

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[quote=NC_Skins;789685]I think AJ Green is going to be a special talent. I'm not getting the Julio Jones love affair with fans. Jones wasn't a top 15 talent prior the combine, now all of a sudden he's a top 10 talent? Green was a top 5 talent prior to the draft and should stay that way.


People put too much emphasis on the NFL combine. (especially Al Davis)[/quote]

I can kind of understand the Julio Jones love affair. I think the thing that really won him over with fans around the league is the fact that he ran a 4.39 at the combine on a foot that needed surgery. Still he's certainly worthy of a his mid first round grade. For starters he has the production you look for in a first round receiver (1,133 yards receiving, 1,265 yards total, 9 TD's). He's also hard working and doesn't come with the T.O. head case label. Not to mention the fact that he has ideal size.

Mayock was also talking about how NFL scouts like taking these players coached by Nick Saban as they feel that playing under Saban has helped a lot players prepare for playing at the NFL level (with one notable exception in Cincinnati).

I personally think we could work with him and develop him but he's not the type of receiver that I could justify passing up other players at other positions for at this point in time. Obviously I feel differently about another receiver in this same draft as evidenced by my last 3 post.


[quote=Lotus;789684]Perhaps you are right about Green. No offense Dirt but while I think he is a very good player, in my eyes you are overestimating him. But perhaps you are correct.

I'm with Okie on this one. Rather than taking Green, should he be there at #10, we should get a king's ransom from the Rams if they want Green. We can still feed the front at #14 and have an extra pick for a NT or QB.[/quote]


Ton's of offense taken. But seriously I certainly understand reservations about any receiver coming into the draft not named Calvin Johnson. I don't think that Green is as good as Calvin but I do think he is on that same level/tier coming into the league. I wouldn't be opposed at all though to a kings ransom should Green miraculously fall to us.

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I think if they're able to secure an extra 2nd rounder, a guy like Leonard Hankerson could be a possibility

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Hankerson seems solid, good value pick in the 2nd. I am on the J. Jones bandwagon but not saying we should nab him at 10. I just wouldn't be upset if we did. He seems the closest thing to L. Fitzgerald that's come along, C. Johnson is an exception as he was off the charts. By that I mean that Jones has all the physical attributes and is a good guy. He also seems like a Shanahan guy.

Come to think of it, I could see us getting Jones or Green if available, then R. Hudson from FSU or the C from P. State in the 2nd, and not even drafting D till round 5. I'm kinda feeling like the D made strides at the end of the year w/Bryant at NT & Carriker playing well. Guys like Rob Jackson & J. Jarmon could be the x-factors in our draft strategy. If the staff feels like those guys are at least good stop-gap measures that can play a lot, they might not draft D early.

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VT fans rejoice: Tyrod Taylor is coming to town.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110319_nfl_source_tyrod_taylor_to_visit_eagles_redskins_jaguars_to_work_out_for_dolphins_saints]NFL source: Tyrod Taylor to visit Eagles, Redskins, Jaguars, to work out for Dolphins, Saints - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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[quote=freddyg12;789725]Hankerson seems solid, good value pick in the 2nd. I am on the J. Jones bandwagon but not saying we should nab him at 10. I just wouldn't be upset if we did. He seems the closest thing to L. Fitzgerald that's come along, C. Johnson is an exception as he was off the charts. By that I mean that Jones has all the physical attributes and is a good guy. He also seems like a Shanahan guy.

Come to think of it, I could see us getting Jones or Green if available, then R. Hudson from FSU or the C from P. State in the 2nd, and not even drafting D till round 5. [B]I'm kinda feeling like the D made strides at the end of the year w/Bryant at NT & Carriker playing well. Guys like Rob Jackson & J. Jarmon could be the x-factors in our draft strategy. If the staff feels like those guys are at least good stop-gap measures that can play a lot, they might not draft D early.[/B][/quote]

You could make the same argument in reverse: Armstrong might develop into a more complete WR, Kelly might finally get healthy, and Austin will start to "get it," so that WR is not as acute a need as some people think.

IMO last year's draft was heavy on offense and the defense finished #31 so I am hoping for a defense-oriented draft.

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[quote=Lotus;789736]VT fans rejoice: Tyrod Taylor is coming to town.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110319_nfl_source_tyrod_taylor_to_visit_eagles_redskins_jaguars_to_work_out_for_dolphins_saints]NFL source: Tyrod Taylor to visit Eagles, Redskins, Jaguars, to work out for Dolphins, Saints - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]

wow...kinda surprised. thought he might be 6-7th round pick at best, and more like a pratice squad guy. Good for him, like the way he has stuck with QB and said he really doesnt want to play unless its that position. Cool

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[quote=Chico23231;789738]wow...kinda surprised. thought he might be 6-7th round pick at best, and more like a pratice squad guy. Good for him, like the way he has stuck with QB and said he really doesnt want to play unless its that position. Cool[/quote]

Well just because he's coming to visit doesn't mean he wouldn't be 6th-7th round, though I think he's more like a 5th personally. And it's not uncommon for the Redskins to have visits with the local guys from Va Tech, Maryland, and Virginia

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Does anyone know wat he scored on the Wonderlic?

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What about Torrey Smith? Didn't he average nearly 16 yards a reception last season with the Terps? I don't know much about him, but Mayock raved about him at the Combine. Can in Maryland fans fill in the blanks?

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Don't know how reliable it is, but this person says Tyrod got a 15. On the low side for a QB. He definitely has the tools of an athlete. I know he says he won't switch positions, but I think he will move to a skill position in the NFL.

[URL="http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/ProFootballWkly/~TuYQI"]Tyrod Taylor Score on Wonderlic[/URL]

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[quote=BuckSkin;789744]What about Torrey Smith? Didn't he average nearly 16 yards a reception last season with the Terps? I don't know much about him, but Mayock raved about him at the Combine. Can in Maryland fans fill in the blanks?[/quote]

DHB was a stud at MARY also..

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[quote=skinsfaninok;789659]I don't want a WR at 10, again to many WR bust in the first round.. I'd rather go with Quinn or Locker[/quote]

[url=http://blogs.nfl.com/2011/03/09/locker-goal-is-to-quiet-critics-over-accuracy/]NFL.com Blogs » Blog Archive Locker: Goal is to quiet critics over accuracy «[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;789746]Don't know how reliable it is, but this person says Tyrod got a 15. On the low side for a QB. He definitely has the tools of an athlete. I know he says he won't switch positions, but I think he will move to a skill position in the NFL.

[URL="http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/ProFootballWkly/~TuYQI"]Tyrod Taylor Score on Wonderlic[/URL][/quote]

Dan Marino and Jim Kelly scored 15's, so I guess that Tyrod wont be winning a SB. :(

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I wouldn't have a problem with AJ Green or Julio Jones to be honest.

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[quote=Lotus;789736]VT fans rejoice: Tyrod Taylor is coming to town.

[url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20110319_nfl_source_tyrod_taylor_to_visit_eagles_redskins_jaguars_to_work_out_for_dolphins_saints]NFL source: Tyrod Taylor to visit Eagles, Redskins, Jaguars, to work out for Dolphins, Saints - NFL - Yahoo! Sports[/url][/quote]I've always liked Tyrod and glad to see them bring him in for workout at least his name is still in the QB conversation for some teams.

I was beginning to wonder if despite his skill set and production wether he was considered a draftable QB.

The height bias often prevents many good 6'0 QB prospects from even getting a first look as a draft pick. e.g Chase Daniels (I still can't believe we kept Brennan over Daniels)

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It appears that the Skins are only working out local schools/talent targeted for later round draft ochs and/or UDRFAs.

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[quote=diehard;789812]It appears that the Skins are only working out local schools/talent targeted for later round draft ochs and/or UDRFAs.[/quote]
The is a regular workout like the other teams that invited Tyrod for a workout.

The local school prospect tryouts you're describing doesn't happpen til after the draft around the may mini-camps.

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[quote=30gut;789829]The is a regular workout like the other teams that invited Tyrod for a workout.

The local school prospect tryouts you're describing doesn't happpen til after the draft around the may mini-camps.[/quote]

I think I said it correctly, other than misspelling "picks" for "ochs" (Swype). I don't recall the team attending a pro-day of a top 10 prospect as of yet (Julio Jones is rehabbing). Instead, they have sent scouts and coaches to local schools who really have limited value as 1st and 2nd round selections. Is Hampton University having a pro-day? You can expect them to "show" interest in DL Kenrick Ellis. The FO will not make it obvious who they're targeting in the first round by attending a pro-day of a top prospect. Where else have they been?

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grrrrrr Tyrod taylor. A poor mans Kellen Moore.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;789835]grrrrrr Tyrod taylor. A poor mans Kellen Moore.[/quote]


What happened to Moore? Remember at the start of college season, experts said he was the best QB in the country.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;789837]What happened to Moore? Remember at the start of college season, experts said he was the best QB in the country.[/quote]

Who said that shit?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;789837]What happened to Moore? Remember at the start of college season, experts said he was the best QB in the country.[/quote]

They might say that again since he stayed in school.

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[quote=diehard;789834]I think I said it correctly, other than misspelling "picks" for "ochs" (Swype). I don't recall the team attending a pro-day of a top 10 prospect as of yet (Julio Jones is rehabbing). Instead, they have sent scouts and coaches to local schools who really have limited value as 1st and 2nd round selections. Is Hampton University having a pro-day? You can expect them to "show" interest in DL Kenrick Ellis. The FO will not make it obvious who they're targeting in the first round by attending a pro-day of a top prospect. Where else have they been?[/quote]What you're saying above is different from what I disagreed with.
Before you said this:
[quote=diehard;789812]It appears that the Skins are [I][B]only[/B][/I] working out local schools/talent targeted for later round draft ochs and/or UDRFAs.[/quote]Cam Newton, Von Miller and Tyrod Taylor are the only workouts I've heard about thus far.

As far as I know Newton and Miller are neither local prospects nor projected as late round picks or UDFAs.

Tyrod would be the only prospect they're bringing in for a visit thus far that fits your description of bringing in local/late so unless your using some form of minority rule your view is wrong.

Team's that have QB 'gurus' like to look at QBs; last year they brought in all of the top prospects IIRC.

The Skins are bringing in Tyrod for look see, their reasons are their reasons but they're not [I][B]only[/B][/I] bringing in late/local prospects.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;789844]Who said that shit?[/quote]

LOL I don't remember but earlier in the season when BSU was rolling, Moore was a top Heisman candidate and some actually said he could have been the best qb before the season started of course.

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[quote=Lotus;789847]They might say that again since he stayed in school.[/quote]


Yeah just saw that he's a senior, smart move

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[quote=30gut;789852]What you're saying above is different from what I disagreed with.
Before you said this:
Cam Newton, Von Miller and Tyrod Taylor are the only workouts I've heard about thus far.

As far as I know Newton and Miller are neither local prospects nor projected as late round picks or UDFAs.

Tyrod would be the only prospect they're bringing in for a visit thus far that fits your description of bringing in local/late so unless your using some form of minority rule your view is wrong.

Team's that have QB 'gurus' like to look at QBs; last year they brought in all of the top prospects IIRC.

The Skins are bringing in Tyrod for look see, their reasons are their reasons but they're not [I][B]only[/B][/I] bringing in late/local prospects.[/quote]

I didn't know the Skins attended Auburn's and Texas A&M's pro-days. Thanks for pointing that out.

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[quote=SkinzWin;789746]Don't know how reliable it is, but this person says Tyrod got a 15. On the low side for a QB. He definitely has the tools of an athlete. I know he says he won't switch positions, but I think he will move to a skill position in the NFL.

[URL="http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/ProFootballWkly/~TuYQI"]Tyrod Taylor Score on Wonderlic[/URL][/quote]

Aside from his wonderlic score, he's humble & mature, not a fiery leader but has command & will earn the respect of his teamates. RI says Tyrod projects from 3rd to 5th, that's news to me, thought he was a late round prospect at this point.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/reports-redskins-to-host-draft-prospects-von-miller-tyrod-taylor/2011/03/21/ABtWVH6_blog.html]Reports: Redskins to host draft prospects Von Miller, Tyrod Taylor - Football Insider - The Washington Post[/url]

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Tyron Smith coming to visit in mid-April

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[quote=diehard;789867]I didn't know the Skins attended Auburn's and Texas A&M's pro-days. Thanks for pointing that out.[/quote]Me neither.

Our discussion was about the players they're bringing in for visit (not about pro-days).

btw-you can add: Ryan Williams, Evan Royster, Tyron Smith.

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[quote=30gut;790003]Me neither.

Our discussion was about the players they're bringing in for visit (not about pro-days).

btw-you can add: Ryan Williams, Evan Royster, Tyron Smith.[/quote]

You win.

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Colin Kaepernick doing a private workout for the Broncos.
That's either a smokescreen or they are thinking about dealing Tebow away.

[url=http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/15872/Nevada-QB-Colin-Kaepernick-to-visit--work-out-for-Broncos/Default.aspx]Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick to visit, work out for Broncos[/url]

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[quote=Alvin Walton;790044]Colin Kaepernick doing a private workout for the Broncos.
That's either a smokescreen or they are thinking about dealing Tebow away.

[URL="http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/15872/Nevada-QB-Colin-Kaepernick-to-visit--work-out-for-Broncos/Default.aspx"]Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick to visit, work out for Broncos[/URL][/quote]


I think Orton will be traded not Tebow.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;790044]Colin Kaepernick doing a private workout for the Broncos.
That's either a smokescreen or they are thinking about dealing Tebow away.

[URL="http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/15872/Nevada-QB-Colin-Kaepernick-to-visit--work-out-for-Broncos/Default.aspx"]Nevada QB Colin Kaepernick to visit, work out for Broncos[/URL][/quote]

They ain't tradin Tebow unless someone throws a can't refuse deal their way, which is impossible at present due to no cba.

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Anyone know, or have any theories on, the progress of the O-linemen drafted last year? How will that impact the draft?

I like Cook & Capers (kind of a cool name when put together), I just wonder if they or any others have a realistic shot at cracking the roster and playing any in 2011. If the staff likes them we will likely see more late round D picks.

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They like them both a lot from what I hear, but I don't know what that means exactly. Will they start? Probably not. Can they get on the active roster? Hopefully one of them will.

The whole CBA situation really is impacting the OL situation as much as anything, because they're not moving forward on any talks with Jammal Brown and they can't pursue Joseph and possibly Ryan Harris. Two guys at the top of their list. Harris more so if Brown doesn't stay

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[quote=SmootSmack;790064]They like them both a lot from what I hear, but I don't know what that means exactly. Will they start? Probably not. Can they get on the active roster? Hopefully one of them will.

The whole CBA situation really is impacting the OL situation as much as anything, because they're not moving forward on any talks with Jammal Brown and they can't pursue Joseph and possibly Ryan Harris. Two guys at the top of their list. Harris more so if Brown doesn't stay[/quote]

Thanks Smoot, that answers my question about as good as it could be done. I was thinking back to Gibbs II; during one off season he mentioned how hard Monty & Golston were working, he kind of hinted that DT wasn't as big a need as some thought it was. Of course, Shanny is not big on revealing much of anything!