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[quote=skinsfan69;774425]Nice to see some of the yonger guys playing. But to be honest, when you stack them up against the talent in our division they simply don't match up. Love the return game w/ Banks, he's a keeper for teams. Torain is good. Armstrong is a nice 3rd wr but he isn't as good as Philly's wr's, or anyone on Dallas or the Giants wr's. This team is full of complementary type players.[/quote]

I disagree with that completely. He has been our only true deep threat player this year with his great speed. And you can't compare him to the WR's in the rest of the division because they all have much better offenses than us. Considering what he has done this year with our offense, that is impressive to me. I think he will be a starter for this team for years to come.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;774437]I like our young WR corps- Austin, Armstrong and Banks. I think Armstrong and Austin will get better next year. At the moment, I compare Armstrong to a poor man's Gary Clark with lots of future potential. Austin could be our Ricky Sanders, we just need a Monk.[/quote]

One thing thats been overlooked this year is the coaching of McCardell. Armstrong and Austin are developing nicely. Not to mention two 800 yard guys and a 1,000 receiver. Davis also had a nice year as a number two Tight End with 300 yards.

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I was very impressed with Austin's route running in preseason, and these past two games. He has pleasantly surprised me. I think he will be a more complete player than Armstrong.

But three 800 yard receivers, first time since 89. Not bad

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Finally over........ now, after all the up roar over Shanny, this is how I feel, Shanny, made the team about him, I like him, but our off season was spent of Haynesworth, then him and his son went after D.McNabb, then the defense went from top 5 to last in the league......... we digressed big time, next year, I wouldnt have large expectations, until, we make it about the whole organization.......... we will continue to spiral down.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;774437]I like our young WR corps- Austin, Armstrong and Banks. I think Armstrong and Austin will get better next year. At the moment, I compare Armstrong to a poor man's Gary Clark with lots of future potential. Austin could be our Ricky Sanders, we just need a Monk.[/quote]


I don't see how anyone can get on the Austin bandwagon yet, as he didn't play at all hardly. When the coaches still keep some older has been Wrs around, there is a reason for that. After they let Galloway go, Austin should have been featured some, but he wasn't. Don't be too shocked if we do go after a WR(s) in the draft that he will be cut by the time the 2011 roster hits 53.

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[quote=DGreene28;774400]LOL... He gets mean when the Skins lose huh?[/quote]

LOL...bring up Hayensworth and see what happens.

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[quote=SmootSmack;774453]I was very impressed with Austin's route running in preseason, and these past two games. He has pleasantly surprised me. I think he will be a more complete player than Armstrong.

But three 800 yard receivers, first time since 89. Not bad[/quote]

Yeah, I still think both could be very nice number 3s. What impressed me was Santana fitting nicely into Kyle scheme. Really nice season, needs to get an extention and put back in the slot. Armstrong impressed me as a legit deep threat. He was very consistent long range.

I still like to see us sign a number 1 guy or maybe draft a WR...love AJ Green with our first pick.

Out of our guys we dont have a "redzone" reciever...could Kelly emerge as that guy? He could be wildcard.

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It was a good game and as Skins fans I think you guys have a lot to be positive about for next year.:food-smil

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[quote=Nomad;774458]Finally over........ now, after all the up roar over Shanny, this is how I feel, Shanny, made the team about him, I like him, but our off season was spent of Haynesworth, then him and his son went after D.McNabb, then the defense went from top 5 to last in the league......... we digressed big time, next year, I wouldnt have large expectations, until, we make it about the whole organization.......... we will continue to spiral down.[/quote]


Thing is if Shanny is indeed making it all about him and Kyle, you won't get a winner in DC anytime too soon. Then the situation would mirror that of the Univ of Michigan/ Rich Rodriguez drama up here. The alumni can't stand him, and many fans were actually rooting for OSU an Miss St, just to make sure he goes. It was all about him and trying to prove his system could work in the Big Ten. All hubris. He should have known that the Big Ten wasn't a finesse league, and running a 3-3-5 defense was absolutely moronic in a run oriented conference. To me I think there are a few sportswriters that have it right and this is mostly about Kyle using the Skins to become the youngest HC in NFL history. We move the ball better than under Zorn, but still can't score. We give up tons of yardage, and at critical junctures in many games we can't make the last stop that can mean a chance at victory or a sure defeat.

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[quote=SmootSmack;774453]I was very impressed with Austin's route running in preseason, and these past two games. He has pleasantly surprised me. I think he will be a more complete player than Armstrong.

But three 800 yard receivers, first time since 89. Not bad[/quote]

Despite questions about him giving up too soon on the run in close games and 3rd down conversion percentages, one thing is clear. Kyle's offense CAN work for the Redskins. For the first time in YEARS I'm comfortable with the scheme and playcaller. We obviously need a QB, a big WR and to shore up the interior of our OL but I like the direction we are moving towards.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;774432]The sad thing is, I can point to one or two key plays EACH game that resulted in a win or a loss. [B]We didn't blow anyone out (been a while since we've done that)[/B] and we didn't get dominated with the exception of the Giants and Eagles games this year.[/quote]

I feel like we dominated the Raiders last year, that was one of those complete games where we had a comfortable lead at the end of the game.

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[quote=GusFrerotte;774476]Thing is if Shanny is indeed making it all about him and Kyle, you won't get a winner in DC anytime too soon. Then the situation would mirror that of the Univ of Michigan/ Rich Rodriguez drama up here. The alumni can't stand him, and many fans were actually rooting for OSU an Miss St, just to make sure he goes. It was all about him and trying to prove his system could work in the Big Ten. All hubris. He should have known that the Big Ten wasn't a finesse league, and running a 3-3-5 defense was absolutely moronic in a run oriented conference. To me I think there are a few sportswriters that have it right and this is mostly about Kyle using the Skins to become the youngest HC in NFL history. We move the ball better than under Zorn, but still can't score. We give up tons of yardage, and at critical junctures in many games we can't make the last stop that can mean a chance at victory or a sure defeat.[/quote]

Kyle would have to be a head coach by July for that to happen

Chico, Kelly is definitely the wild card

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[quote=mooby;774402]Just a piece of advice that has worked pretty well for me, instead of feeding the troll just put him on your ignore list. Its worked pretty well for me, especially considering the only time I see him on the board is after the Skins lose.[/quote]

I just did that after he sent me a PM trying to insult me. It was pretty funny lol. And he calls me the internet tough guy lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;774483]Kyle would have to be a head coach by July for that to happen

Chico, [B][SIZE=3]Kelly is definitely the wild card[/SIZE][/B][/quote]

Keep your fingers crossed........

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[quote=GusFrerotte;774463]I don't see how anyone can get on the Austin bandwagon yet, as he didn't play at all hardly. When the coaches still keep some older has been Wrs around, there is a reason for that. After they let Galloway go, Austin should have been featured some, but he wasn't. Don't be too shocked if we do go after a WR(s) in the draft that he will be cut by the time the 2011 roster hits 53.[/quote]



The WRs are not bad at all. Austin deserves more playing time. What's going to happen to Kelly if he comes back?

Why not make Davis a WR and let Paulsen compliment Cooly.

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[quote=juskins;774494]The WRs are not bad at all. Austin deserves more playing time. What's going to happen to Kelly if he comes back?

Why not make Davis a WR and let Paulsen compliment Cooly.[/quote]

I think Kelly will surprise unless he gets hurt again, I've also thought about why not convert Davis into a big physical WR.

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[quote=juskins;774494]The WRs are not bad at all. Austin deserves more playing time. What's going to happen to Kelly if he comes back?

Why not make Davis a WR and let Paulsen compliment Cooly.[/quote]

Davis was a WR entering USC and was converted to TE

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;774490]I just did that after he sent me a PM trying to insult me. It was pretty funny lol. And he calls me the internet tough guy lol[/quote]

Pockets has an inability to post on here without acting like he's God's gift to this message board and telling everyone to "smarten up"

It gets old and I'm not in a patient mood these days...so he can take the next 6 months off

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[quote=SmootSmack;774453]I was very impressed with Austin's route running in preseason, and these past two games. He has pleasantly surprised me. I think he will be a more complete player than Armstrong.

But three 800 yard receivers, first time since 89. Not bad[/quote]I think that Austin can become what we wanted Randle El to be.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;774432]The sad thing is, I can point to one or two key plays EACH game that resulted in a win or a loss. We didn't blow anyone out (been a while since we've done that) and we didn't get dominated with the exception of the Giants and Eagles games this year.[/quote]

Yeah but that's the problem. You can't go anywhere unless you beat the teams in your division. And going into next year I still see us behind all those teams.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;774496][B]I think Kelly will surprise unless he gets hurt[/B] [B]again[/B], I've also thought about why not convert Davis into a big physical WR.[/quote]

You're kidding right? Even when he was healthy what did he do? Not much cause he really couldn't get open. He had one real good game against San Diego's back ups.

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How much playing time under Shanahan's regime have you seen him play? None, right? Neither have I. Let's give him one more chance and see what he can do, I believe he will surprise, if he doesn't get hurt. If he gets hurt again then you move on.

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[quote=skinsfan69;774509]You're kidding right? Even when he was healthy what did he do? Not much cause he really couldn't get open. He had one real good game against San Diego's back ups.[/quote]

In his defense. It was Jim Zorn's offensive shceme or whatever.. not many people did get open lol

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[quote=Bucket;774549]In his defense. It was Jim Zorn's offensive shceme or whatever.. not many people did get open lol[/quote]

I don't know. If I recall correctly Betts was frequently open

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;774497]Davis was a WR entering USC and was converted to TE[/quote]


The fade routes to Santana in the red zone will always be a nail biting situation. This is where Davis or another WR with some longer legs would benefit us with scoring.

Re-invent Davis again as a WR.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;774496]I think Kelly will surprise unless he gets hurt again, I've also thought about why not convert Davis into a big physical WR.[/quote]



I suggested earlier that the Skins should play Kevin Barnes as a FS and they did that!

Now we need to use Rabach as a backup behind Montgomery who will backup Cooke at Center.

As for Kelly, he must be ready to jump out of his skin with anticipation of working in this offense.

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[quote=juskins;774555]Now we need to use Rabach as a backup behind Montgomery who will backup Cooke at Center.[/quote]

I wish they would have played Cook to see what he's got, his brother is a G for the Vikes and supposedly both were pretty good in college (negatives on him are slow feet). It wouldn't hurt to draft a C and sign Mankins in FA.

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[quote=SmootSmack;774453]I was very impressed with Austin's route running in preseason, and these past two games. He has pleasantly surprised me. I think he will be a more complete player than Armstrong.

[B]But three 800 yard receivers, first time since 89. Not bad[/B][/quote]

But clearly we need an upgrade at receiver, none of them are elite. Even though Santana Moss had 93 receptions for 1115 yards and 6 touchdowns, clearly he's not a #1 wideout. And even though Anthony Armstrong had almost 900 yards receiving on 40+ receptions while being stuck behind Old Man Galloway for the early part of the season, clearly he's not #2 wideout material. Who needs consistency when you can have playmakers?

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[quote=skinsfan69;774509]You're kidding right? Even when he was healthy what did he do? Not much cause he really couldn't get open. He had one real good game against San Diego's back ups.[/quote]

I agree, lets not even count on Malcolm Kelly. If he surprises, shows up and stays healthy and goes on to have a great career...great! But I am not going to hold my breath or even count on him in the 2011 plans. We would be foolish to count on him, but we would be just as foolish to dump him at this point. Give him one more chance. If he pulls another hamstring next training camp he should be sent packing. Enough is enough with his injuries.

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[quote=skinsfan69;774506]Yeah but that's the problem. [B][U]You can't go anywhere unless you beat the teams in your division[/U][/B]. And going into next year I still see us behind all those teams.[/quote]

Unless your the Raiders!! THey went 6-0 in their division and didnt make the playoffs!!! Thats insane!!!

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[quote=mooby;774559]But clearly we need an upgrade at receiver, none of them are elite. Even though Santana Moss had 93 receptions for 1115 yards and 6 touchdowns, clearly he's not a #1 wideout. And even though Anthony Armstrong had almost 900 yards receiving on 40+ receptions while being stuck behind Old Man Galloway for the early part of the season, clearly he's not #2 wideout material. Who needs consistency when you can have playmakers?[/quote]

I actually feel good about our WR group, can't remember the last time I said that. Moss needs to be a priority to be re-signed I believe. At the worst he's a great slot guy, so even if you go after one of the big names Moss can still have a big role here. Armstrong is a legit deep threat, and Austin could be a nice role player. Kelly is obviously the big unknown.

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[quote=Mattyk;774594]I actually feel good about our WR group, can't remember the last time I said that. Moss needs to be a priority to be re-signed I believe. At the worst he's a great slot guy, so even if you go after one of the big names Moss can still have a big role here. Armstrong is a legit deep threat, and Austin could be a nice role player. Kelly is obviously the big unknown.[/quote]

Yeah same here, I was just mocking the people on this board that think our wideouts suck. And Moss def. needs to be resigned, it's like the FOX announcers said, you only let him go if you have a plan/good option to replace him with, and I don't see it this year in free agency. Between Moss/Armstrong/Cooley, I think they are all dependable and we've got wildcards in Austin/Kelly/Banks. If we went into next year with the same wr corps I wouldn't be disappointed, esp. with have bigger positions of need across the board.

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How about Anthony Bryant yesterday? The guy was a damn beast at the nose.

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[quote=Mattyk;774666]How about Anthony Bryant yesterday? The guy was a damn beast at the nose.[/quote]

Looking at him he looks stout. My question is with that huge belly how did he fare on the physical test that Shanahan put Haynesworth through. If this guy passed it and it took AH a week, that's further evidence that AH is a lazy piece of shit.

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[quote=Mattyk;774594]I actually feel good about our WR group, can't remember the last time I said that. Moss needs to be a priority to be re-signed I believe. At the worst he's a great slot guy, so even if you go after one of the big names Moss can still have a big role here. Armstrong is a legit deep threat, and Austin could be a nice role player. Kelly is obviously the big unknown.[/quote]

I feel ok...I would love to see Vincent Jackson or AJ Green lined up as the number 1, across from Armstrong with Santana in the slot. A healthy Kelly as a 4 coming in some packages. And coach up Austin/Banks at the 5.

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I liked how Kevin Barnes was playing last night.

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[quote=Mattyk;774666]How about Anthony Bryant yesterday? The guy was a damn beast at the nose.[/quote]



I know some of you don't want to hear or agree with me, but there is a strong possibility that Big Al will be back next season. It all depends on Shanahan talking with Big Al and listening to what Al's attitude is all about.

He may not play in every down but what Al brings to the table can be beastly as a part time DE on the right side or attack the offensive line of the opponent at there weakest man. However, if we trade him we should get at least a 3rd rounder for him.

I think this draft the Skins will go defensive line. They need a blue chip nose tackle.

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[quote=juskins;774702]I know some of you don't want to hear or agree with me, but there is a strong possibility that Big Al will be back next season. It all depends on Shanahan talking with Big Al and listening to what Al's attitude is all about.[/quote]

I think that ship has sailed. McNabb stands a better chance at coming back than AH.

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[quote=mooby;774559]But clearly we need an upgrade at receiver, none of them are elite. Even though Santana Moss had 93 receptions for 1115 yards and 6 touchdowns, clearly he's not a #1 wideout. And even though Anthony Armstrong had almost 900 yards receiving on 40+ receptions while being stuck behind Old Man Galloway for the early part of the season, clearly he's not #2 wideout material. Who needs consistency when you can have playmakers?[/quote]

Aside from the occasional case of the dropsies, it seems to me that our receivers aren't the problem so much as the QB not having time to throw the ball. Granted, there are a few coverage sacks, but overall it seems like we get separation.

We might not have a Fitzgerald to throw a jump ball to, but we have a lot of guys who can run after the catch which is all you can really ask in the WCO.

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[quote=Arrrgh!;774688]I liked how Kevin Barnes was playing last night.[/quote]

I liked everything except him trying to throw a stupid shoulder into Eli. If that were Fletcher, Eli would STILL be feeling that hit.