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[quote=SmootSmack;808908]I'm totally with you. I've brought up Moore off and on for a couple of years now. I'm not 100% sure he can be a long term solution as a starter. But I think at the very least he's a very solid backup with starter capabilities. And honestly, I prefer him to Beck.[/quote]

Me too. At least Matt Moore has started and actually been successful before. And who knows, Mike had luck with Brian Griese, and Gus Ferrotte, and those kind of guys.

I like Drew Stanton as well. He can hit that Dougie.

Ish.

I mean at worse they're back-ups, but Mike seems to have luck in these situations, and they're young and have some talent.

Matt Leinart and Tyler Thigpen are two other guys. I mean again, maybe they don't start but, you know, it's something. Thigpen's got one more win as a quarterback than Beck does. And I like John Beck.

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Stanton's not bad. GTripp is a huge, huge, huge, huge, huge fan of Stanton (slight exaggeration)

I don't know that Leinart gets it. Thigpen is exciting at times, but not-in my opinion-the solution.

Moore's biggest problem is that he got hurt last year so he never could find his footing, plus his supporting cast wasn't too strong.

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Yea out of those quarterbacks my list would be Stanton Moore Thigpen then leinart. I don't know if Leinart has gotten any more humble or a better player

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That's what I was thinking, Smoot. I mean, he had Steve Smith...and Steve Smith. I mean, that was it. Gettis and LaFell are good young players, but they weren't scaring anyone. They didn't have a tight end. DeAngelo Williams was injured, Jonathan Stewart got knicked up, some of their linemen were hurt.

Leinart is more an option, to me, because he knows the offense because he spent a season in it (or something pretty much identical to it) in Houston. Maybe he's not a starter but he could be a viable third guy, and they drafted T.J Yates which says to me they're not looking to bring Leinart back.

What I saw of Stanton last season I liked. He can make some plays with his legs, he's got a good arm, good accuracy. And him and Armstrong can have a Dougie off in training camp.

There's lots of viable back-up guys that are capable of being developed in the secondary market, which is why I don't think we'll be going after a Vince Young or someone like that.

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And at least most of those quarterbacks (with maybe the exception of Leinart) they will all come to play and work hard. They want to start and be a winner. People with a Kerrigen mind set (thats what i'm calling it0

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Stanton is best available, with a caveat. I think Nate Davis is by far the best available. He must be a huge douche to his bosses though because he was very available, even before the lockout hit.

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[quote=musicmaster45;808918]And at least most of those quarterbacks (with maybe the exception of Leinart) they will all come to play and work hard. They want to start and be a winner. People with a Kerrigen mind set (thats what i'm calling it0[/quote]

Bingo.

No handing out starting jobs for anyone. Come in, compete to be the starting quarterback, let the best player win. But filling camp with some young bodies who are hungry to start and are very open to coaching (unlike certain QB's) could be beneficial.

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[quote=GTripp0012;808919]Stanton is best available, with a caveat. I think Nate Davis is by far the best available. He must be a huge douche to his bosses though because he was very available, even before the lockout hit.[/quote]

Nate Davis has the big arm for sure. I mean, he's got a gun that rivals McNabb's or Cutler's. Considering how miserable the QB position has been for 49ers I don't know why he never got a shot or was never even on the roster (I mean the put him on the PS and put Troy Smith on the team out of nowhere even though Smith wasn't in camp or anything).

Maybe he's got some work ethic issues? Only thing I can think that would bother Singletary.

Okay, so right now my list is;

Nate Davis
Drew Stanton
Matt Moore
Tyler Thigpen

As a matter of fact, I'm going to put Troy Smith on the list too. He played well for the Niners when he had the opportunity. Yelled at his head coach, but oh well, we need bodies.

So...

Nate Davis
Troy Smith
Drew Stanton
Matt Moore
Tyler Thigpen

I [i]want[/i] to include Tavaris Jackson, but he's had plenty of opportunities to take the reigns and he's never done it on a consistent basis. Still, mobile. He's got a gun, even though he can't aim it.

Anyone else? Undrafted free agent QBs?

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/#!/nfl/story/15272054/top-50-free-agents-new-rules-may-fill-up-deep-pool]Sports - CBSSports.com Sports News, Fantasy Scores, Sports Video[/url]

With this lockout looking like it might be over soon (think it will be announced a deal has been made within the next 7 days) thought we might need to start looking at this.

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It's going to be interesting when this shortened free-agency period starts, especially with the lower payroll teams being "forced to spend" so to speak to meet salary floors. These teams that are going to need to spend a lot in a short period of time to meet the salary floor may wind up overpaying for FA's in a scramble to better the team and meet their salary requirements. This of course will drive up market value for available guys.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;808923][URL="http://www.cbssports.com/#%21/nfl/story/15272054/top-50-free-agents-new-rules-may-fill-up-deep-pool"]Sports - CBSSports.com Sports News, Fantasy Scores, Sports Video[/URL]

With this lockout looking like it might be over soon (think it will be announced a deal has been made within the next 7 days) thought we might need to start looking at this.[/quote]

Interesting list. Anyone else notice that not a single QB is in his top 50?

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Nate Davis is to 49er fans was Colt Brenanan was to Skin fans.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;808926]Nate Davis is to 49er fans was Colt Brenanan was to Skin fans.[/quote]

BUT THE ARM STRENGTH!

I just read that after he was lost the third string job to Troy Smith, he basically let him go and got really out of shape. He winded up with Seattle but they didn't want him either, so...yeah, that's that.

Shame. He's got some talent.

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might as well go Beck

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FA: Brodie Croyle, Trent Edwards, Tarvaris Jackson, J.P. Losman, Matt Moore
Others: Jimmy Clausen, Chase Daniel, Matt Flynn, Josh Johnson, Matt Lienart, Brady Quinn EDIT:Vince Young

Gray Beards: Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Kevin Kolb (kinda in between develop/win), Kyle Orton

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I still would love to get Orton somehow.

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[quote=30gut;808931]FA: Brodie Croyle, Trent Edwards, Tarvaris Jackson, J.P. Losman, Matt Moore
Others: Jimmy Clausen, Chase Daniel, Matt Flynn, Josh Johnson, Matt Lienart, Brady Quinn

Gray Beards: Marc Bulger, Matt Hasselbeck, Kevin Kolb (kinda in between develop/win), Kyle Orton[/quote]

Not mentioned under "others" is Vince Young...

Also, at 26 years old, I certainly wouldn't put Kevin Kolb anywhere near "gray beards."

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[quote=Mattyk;808932]I still would love to get Orton somehow.[/quote]

like

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[quote=GMScud;808936]Not mentioned under "others" is Vince Young...

Also, at 26 years old, I certainly wouldn't put Kevin Kolb anywhere near "gray beards."[/quote]

Or Orton at 28 lol

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[quote=GMScud;808936]Not mentioned under "others" is Vince Young...

Also, at 26 years old, I certainly wouldn't put Kevin Kolb anywhere near "gray beards."[/quote]

You can sub win now vets for gray beards if you like.
It was a copy and paste job from another post I wrote in another forum.

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[COLOR=#000000][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=verdana][SIZE=4][B]Davin Joseph's wishes[/B]
[/SIZE] [B]Davin Joseph | [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-buccaneers"]Buccaneers[/URL] | Interested: [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/wsh/washington-redskins"]Redskins[/URL]?, [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-buccaneers"]Buccaneers[/URL]?,[URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ne/new-england-patriots"]Patriots[/URL]?, [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/dal/dallas-cowboys"]Cowboys[/URL]?, [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/ari/arizona-cardinals"]Cardinals[/URL]?[/B]

Looking around the league, there are a handful of teams that could use an upgrade on their interior offensive line, and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=9609"]Davin Joseph[/URL] is poised to hit unrestricted free agency once the league business year begins. The [URL="http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/tb/tampa-bay-buccaneers"]Tampa Bay Buccaneers[/URL] appear to [URL="http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/features/rumors?date=20110623#9904"]want him back[/URL], but would he rather test the market and cash in, as is his right?[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]When asked Tuesday if he could predict where he'd be playing this fall, Joseph revealed the nuanced nature of negotiations in pro sports.

[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana]"Gosh, it is tough. If you ask me what I want to do versus what is going to happen it is two different scenarios," Joseph noted, per [URL="http://www.pewterreport.com/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=7026:&Itemid=15"]Pewter Report[/URL]. "I want to stay. I want to stay, but I have to do what is best for me and my family. That is the hard part about free agency. You build something here. You love your coaches. You love the players. You love the community but at the end of the day it is a business, so it is a tough decision to make. Hopefully everything makes sense for me to stay here."[/FONT][/COLOR]
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Translation: Pay me, Glazer family.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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The good news is, the Bucs are one of the teams that will need to spend money to get to the salary floor -- which [URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/24911/thoughts-on-what-free-agency-could-look-like"]could be a bigger story this offseason[/URL] than teams trying to stay under the cap, in the opinion of ESPN AFC South blogger Paul Kuharsky. His NFC South-based colleague Pat Yasinskas explained back on June 23 how this might affect things this offseason:[/FONT][/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana][RIGHT][I] Tim Kavanagh[/I][/RIGHT]
[/FONT][/COLOR]Pat Yasinskas [COLOR=#333333][FONT=Verdana][URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/41298/scouting-out-nfc-south-salary-cap-room"]Don't expect a veteran influx[/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][INDENT]"There's been talk that a new agreement could require all teams to use somewhere near 90 percent of the salary-cap space. That means the Bucs theoretically would have to spend somewhere close to $50 million in cap space to meet the minimum. Could that lead to the Bucs being players in free agency? Yes, but I don't think you'll see them going crazy. They have some of their own free agents (like Joseph and [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?playerId=8420"]Cadillac Williams[/URL]) that they want to keep. The Bucs also have some other young players under contract for the moment that could be in line for contract extensions. Tampa Bay's in a youth movement and the Bucs will do their best to keep their core intact first. They could make some moves in free agency. But I don't expect to see them going out and signing a bunch of big-name free agents who are in their 30s."[/INDENT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[quote=Mattyk;808932]I still would love to get Orton somehow.[/quote]

I have been saying that since before the draft. He would be the best pick up of any of the names thrown around by far IMO. I would be ecstatic if that happened.

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Kevin Kolb is the only one of those mentioned who I think could possibly be a long-term solution as a starting QB. I think he's a good player who simply was beaten out by a better player. I hate to think of trading with Philly again, but what about trading Fat Albert and a pick to Philly for Kolb?

I really don't understand the excitement over Orton. He's no better than Grossman. We might as well keep Grossman since he already knows the offense.

I suspect that John Beck is the new Babe Laufenberg. Once he has to actually play in real games, he'll lose his nice, high paid job as a professional bench warmer.

Part of me wants the Skins to lose enough to draft Andrew Luck. I would hate that but it might be the only way for us to get the Franchise QB I think we need.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;808981]Part of me wants the Skins to lose enough to draft Andrew Luck. I would hate that but it might be the only way for us to get the Franchise QB I think we need.[/quote]

NEVER plan for a future QB to "save" the franchise. It has backfired on many teams, many times.

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Season hasn't even started and I'm worn out from the Luck BS and talk of tanking the season. :doh:

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;808981]Kevin Kolb is the only one of those mentioned who I think could possibly be a long-term solution as a starting QB. I think he's a good player who simply was beaten out by a better player. I hate to think of trading with Philly again, but what about trading Fat Albert and a pick to Philly for Kolb?

[B]I really don't understand the excitement over Orton. He's no better than Grossman[/B]. We might as well keep Grossman since he already knows the offense.

I suspect that John Beck is the new Babe Laufenberg. Once he has to actually play in real games, he'll lose his nice, high paid job as a professional bench warmer.

Part of me wants the Skins to lose enough to draft Andrew Luck. I would hate that but it might be the only way for us to get the Franchise QB I think we need.[/quote]

Check their numbers, especially their W/L records.

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[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/15281267/ten-freeagent-deals-that-make-too-much-sense]Ten free-agent deals that make too much sense - NFL - CBSSports.com Football[/url]

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[quote=Monkeydad;808984]NEVER plan for a future QB to "save" the franchise. It has backfired on many teams, many times.

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All those guys you pictured were busts, no doubt about it. But, those teams didn't plan on loosing out to get on of those guys.

Jamarcus russell for example wasn't a thought until draft time.

The difference between Luck and these guys is that Andrew Luck has been a thought for close to a year now about him being possibly the next Peyton Manning, and he's backed it up playing in a tough conference in a pro style offense, making bad/ok/decent/good players look like all conference guys.

I understand why you wouldn't want to lose out, because who knows this guy could be a bust. But my question to you is "Can't any player be a bust?"

The thing that separates Andrew Luck from any other player drafted in the past 13 years is simply that EVERYONE thinks that he'll be a good pro. It's not like for every 9 football analysts you get 1 that isn't a fan of Luck or thinks that he's mediocre. This player is different from the past thousands of players drafted in a long time (Tom Brady's argument could go here) being that he is being compared to Peyton Manning, and is considered to be the most 'sure-thing' safest pick in the draft. It's not like we heard about this guy come the draft like Russell, It's not like this guys had only one good year. It's not like he plays in a QB friendly offense.

Lets say Luck goes out there this year and tears his ACL. Guess what, I'm still taking him. Why? He's the kind of player, like Manning or Brady, that doesn't need his feet, (even though he certainly can run [que Youtube video of him truck the cal player]). Also if Bradford could hurt his throwing badly, twice in one season and still be the first overall pick, Luck can still be the first pick.

Yes I understand what you want to say now, "Luck can still just be a flat out bust." True, any player can be a bust. It's just that Luck is the most certain, and safest pick of the busts that there are. Any other year or any other player I wouldn't be going on with this argument and I would say "Yeah he could be a bust; theres no point in loosing out."

Lets say we loose out and Lucks a complete bust (very doubtful), then hey guess what its not your fault because everyone was high on this guy. It's not like there was one of those football analysts saying "I dont like him, Don't think the skins should pick him, told you so."
It's like "wow I'm surprised he didn't turn out." Just picking andrew luck, bust or not gets GM's and HC's an extra couple of years as well, media wise.

I know skins fans right now are saying don't throw the season away. But come on guys, you think we're playoff material? Our QB is who again? Our OLine is ranked what in the nfl? Exactly, so shut up, prepare to loose regardless of trying to play and be competitive or trying to get andrew luck.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809010]All those guys you pictured were busts, no doubt about it. But, those teams didn't plan on loosing out to get on of those guys.

Jamarcus russell for example wasn't a thought until draft time.

The difference between Luck and these guys is that Andrew Luck has been a thought for close to a year now about him being possibly the next Peyton Manning, and he's backed it up playing in a tough conference in a pro style offense, making bad/ok/decent/good players look like all conference guys.

I understand why you wouldn't want to lose out, because who knows this guy could be a bust. But my question to you is "Can't any player be a bust?"

The thing that separates Andrew Luck from any other player drafted in the past 13 years is simply that EVERYONE thinks that he'll be a good pro. It's not like for every 9 football analysts you get 1 that isn't a fan of Luck or thinks that he's mediocre. This player is different from the past thousands of players drafted in a long time (Tom Brady's argument could go here) being that he is being compared to Peyton Manning, and is considered to be the most 'sure-thing' safest pick in the draft. It's not like we heard about this guy come the draft like Russell, It's not like this guys had only one good year. It's not like he plays in a QB friendly offense.

Lets say Luck goes out there this year and tears his ACL. Guess what, I'm still taking him. Why? He's the kind of player, like Manning or Brady, that doesn't need his feet, (even though he certainly can run [que Youtube video of him truck the cal player]). Also if Bradford could hurt his throwing badly, twice in one season and still be the first overall pick, Luck can still be the first pick.

Yes I understand what you want to say now, "Luck can still just be a flat out bust." True, any player can be a bust. It's just that Luck is the most certain, and safest pick of the busts that there are. Any other year or any other player I wouldn't be going on with this argument and I would say "Yeah he could be a bust; theres no point in loosing out."

Lets say we loose out and Lucks a complete bust (very doubtful), then hey guess what its not your fault because everyone was high on this guy. It's not like there was one of those football analysts saying "I dont like him, Don't think the skins should pick him, told you so."
It's like "wow I'm surprised he didn't turn out." Just picking andrew luck, bust or not gets GM's and HC's an extra couple of years as well, media wise.

I know skins fans right now are saying don't throw the season away. But come on guys, you think we're playoff material? Our QB is who again? Our OLine is ranked what in the nfl? Exactly, so shut up, prepare to loose regardless of trying to play and be competitive or trying to get andrew luck.[/quote]

Ugh.

No one doubts that Luck is a supreme talent. So the argument that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread is pointless.

The argument against you is simple: you don't root for your team to lose. Ever. Period.

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[quote=Lotus;809012]Ugh.

No one doubts that Luck is a supreme talent. So the argument that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread is pointless.

[B]The argument against you is simple: you don't root for your team to lose. Ever. Period.[/B][/quote]

You would think that is self-explanatory:food-smil.



Hey what if we play for the first pick overall, then trade it to the Browns for their 2 1sts, a 4th and the next year's first!!! [/sarcasm]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809010]I know skins fans right now are saying don't throw the season away. But come on guys, you think we're playoff material? Our QB is who again? Our OLine is ranked what in the nfl? Exactly, so shut up, prepare to loose regardless of trying to play and be competitive or trying to get andrew luck.[/quote]

We are not playoff material, but your strategy for rebuilding a team shouldn't' be to tank a season. Trust me, I am all about rebuilding, but just to lay down before the season even starts is just ridiculous. If you are going to approach every game this season with the thought that you wish the team loses, then why even bother being a fan of the team or even watching the game. I know it is going to take a lot to rebuild this team, and not just at the QB position, but tanking for the sake of tanking is just a stupid argument.

PS: And I guess it is time for me to start calling you a Cowboys fan just like when you wanted the team to tank so we could get Sam Bradford.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809010]All those guys you pictured were busts, no doubt about it. [B]But, those teams didn't plan on loosing out to get on of those guys.[/B]

[/quote]

Really that ought to end the discussion. No team PLANS on losing out, Indy didn't plan on losing out to get Manning, Brees was traded, Brady was a 6th round pick. Can you name even 1 instance where a team so completely tanked a season (on purpose) due solely to the possibility of drafting a specific player in the next season's draft? I can't. If you can, how did it work out for that team? Was there an Epic Dynasty that I missed out on where a team used that strategy?

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[quote=Ruhskins;809014]We are not playoff material, but your strategy for rebuilding a team shouldn't' be to tank a season. Trust me, I am all about rebuilding, but just to lay down before the season even starts is just ridiculous. If you are going to approach every game this season with the thought that you wish the team loses, then why even bother being a fan of the team or even watching the game. I know it is going to take a lot to rebuild this team, and not just at the QB position, but tanking for the sake of tanking is just a stupid argument.

[B]PS: And I guess it is time for me to start calling you a Cowboys fan just like when you wanted the team to tank so we could get Sam Bradford[/B].[/quote]

and how did he do last year? Oh wait thats right he did good with crappy receivers and was offensive ROY. thanks for reminding me of that, that just adds to my argument as to why we should get luck. Btw, if there is a possible way of getting him without having the first pick, let me know, because loosing out is the only way I can think of getting him.

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[quote=Mattyk;808991]Check their numbers, especially their W/L records.[/quote]

I checked the numbers and I see that Orton put up better numbers in Denver than he did in Chicago. I suppose he could be decent here.

I guess that the opinion I have of Orton is still colored by the mental image I have of Orton and Grossman in Chicago taking turns stinking out the joint.

BTW, I don't really want to see the Skins tank the season so they can draft Andrew Luck. I always want them to play to win. I'm just frustrated because I can't foresee how we're going to get the QB we need to become a contender.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;809016]Really that ought to end the discussion. No team PLANS on losing out, Indy didn't plan on losing out to get Manning, Brees was traded, Brady was a 6th round pick. Can you name even 1 instance where a team so completely tanked a season (on purpose) due solely to the possibility of drafting a specific player in the next season's draft? I can't. If you can, how did it work out for that team? Was there an Epic Dynasty that I missed out on where a team used that strategy?[/quote]

Teams aren't going to publicly address to the media "We the ___, plan to loose out this season in hopes of getting this player" Loosing out would be playing players that you know aren't good against there matchups and taking out reasonable/winning starters, for unprovens/rookies. It would be like Shanahan saying John Beck go play 16 games you could be that great player for us. Oh wait thats right! Shanahan is doing this already! Internally though he and BA and the coaches are like "We don't have a chance with Luck" and you all are probably going to say well Shanahan will be fired by Snyder if he does this. Wrong! Snyder is in love with Luck because he thinks he'll be the franchise savior, and will bring snyder what he wants most, more fans and more $$$$$$!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809017]and how did he do last year? Oh wait thats right he did good with crappy receivers and was offensive ROY. thanks for reminding me of that, that just adds to my argument as to why we should get luck. Btw, if there is a possible way of getting him without having the first pick, let me know, because loosing out is the only way I can think of getting him.[/quote]

Cowboys Fan,
He did great because he went to a team that was in the right situation for him (a young up and coming offensive line, an aging but stud of a RB, and a weak division). Obviously the "insert good QB here" didn't work when we got McNabb (although I wouldn't compare McNabb to Bradford). Plus Bradford would have gotten killed with Heyer at LT, he'd be in IR right now.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809020]Teams aren't going to publicly address to the media "We the ___, plan to loose out this season in hopes of getting this player" Loosing out would be playing players that you know aren't good against there matchups and taking out reasonable/winning starters, for unprovens/rookies. It would be like Shanahan saying John Beck go play 16 games you could be that great player for us. Oh wait thats right! Shanahan is doing this already! Internally though he and BA and the coaches are like "We don't have a chance with Luck" and you all are probably going to say well Shanahan will be fired by Snyder if he does this. Wrong! Snyder is in love with Luck because he thinks he'll be the franchise savior, and will bring snyder what he wants most, more fans and more $$$$$$![/quote]

So I guess we shouldn't expect to see you posting here during game days, right? I mean what's the point if we are tanking?

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[quote=Lotus;809012]Ugh.

No one doubts that Luck is a supreme talent. So the argument that he is the greatest thing since sliced bread is pointless.

The argument against you is simple: you don't root for your team to lose. Ever. Period.[/quote]

Respectable argument here. I'm what you call the frustrated fan whose tired of the team showing promise year after year, and then us sucking the next year. I know its bad to Want my team to lose. I agree. But the fact of the matter is; even if I don't want us to lose, we're bound to do it anyway with John Beck at QB, throwing behind one of the worst OLines in the NFL. By the way, when I say loose out I don't mean 2008 Lions lose out, I mean 3-13, 4-12 type of lose out. Who knows we could lose out unintentionally, and just Luck out for the first overall pick. (no pun intended)

Btw if you think I'm not a fan than I wouldn't be recommending us loosing to get a Great player.

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[quote=Ruhskins;809022]So I guess we shouldn't expect to see you posting here during game days, right? I mean what's the point if we are tanking?[/quote]

No I'll be with you all during the frustrating and non-frustrating skins times. You all need to understand, I want us to do this so we get a great player that we need so that in the future those loosing days will be behind us.


Btw, heres a random thought for you all to think about: I guarantee you all that if Ted Leonsis had bought the skins back in 1999, we would have had at least 1 super bowl by now.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;809020]Teams aren't going to publicly address to the media "We the ___, plan to loose out this season in hopes of getting this player" Loosing out would be playing players that you know aren't good against there matchups and taking out reasonable/winning starters, for unprovens/rookies. It would be like Shanahan saying John Beck go play 16 games you could be that great player for us. Oh wait thats right! Shanahan is doing this already! Internally though he and BA and the coaches are like "We don't have a chance with Luck" and you all are probably going to say well Shanahan will be fired by Snyder if he does this. Wrong! Snyder is in love with Luck because he thinks he'll be the franchise savior, and will bring snyder what he wants most, more fans and more $$$$$$![/quote]
[B]Loose out?[/B]