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[quote=saden1;869042]Are you getting richer? If you are then you're an exception to the trend. I doubt you are getting richer considering the current economic environment and if your income is at the same level it was back in 2007 you have been getting poorer.[/quote]

If you feel this way then why are you thinking of opening a business?

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[quote=firstdown;869186]If you feel this way then why are you thinking of opening a business?[/quote]

There is an opportunity and it won't cost me much...the software business is different than a brick and mortor shop.

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[quote=budw38;869083]So .... you say that since the DEMS took control of Congress ( 07 ) , and had a " Super Majority " in 2008 , people are getting poorer ? Yet everyone should want to re-elect the President ? That is the new slogan for the President , hope for Obama's sake you are not running adds for him next year .... talk about a buzz kill ! Vote for more .... unemployment , more debt , more gov't takeover ( it works so well ) and higher gas prices ... CHANGE we can live with :) Maybe they should stick with what works " we want economice justice " ... we want free education , free housing , free medical care .... you are entitled to it all !!!! :)[/quote]

You guys keep hoping the shit you are chucking at the wall sticks. No one wants to go back to Bush era policies and I can't imagine your leading candidates would fair well in a debate about healthcare since one inspired it and the other lobbied for it.

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[quote=saden1;869205]There is an opportunity and it won't cost me much...the software business is different than a brick and mortor shop.[/quote]

Not really plenty of software businesses go belly up all the time. You have a product and you have to market and sell the product to make money which is no different then any other business. If you have the thinking that the economy is bad and that people don't have money to spend your forming your own objections before you even go into business. I have been down that road before like most people who have owned a business for any amount of time. I'd also think that if the over head is low to start a software business then the competition is going to be very heavy.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;869126]"War" on Christmas and gay marriage bans are two issues that are motivated heavily by religious beliefs. Now I'll be the first to admit that the War on Christmas is petty and a pointless cause for those that believe heavily in separation of church and state. Maybe it's to distract the far right from pushing creationism in public schools. I don't know. Personally I don't care for it either way. To me Christmas is purely a commercial holiday.

Gay marriage on the other hand is simply motivated by mass-hysteria promoted by religion and virtually every argument for the ban is motivated either by religious beliefs and/or pure homophobia. Neither of which provides just cause to produce such a ban. Scientific, peer reviewed studies on the other hand fail time and time again to produce any factual evidence for the myth's about gay marriage produced by the far right.



The constitution states, plain as day, that religion is not to have a place in determining policy. That means that if the Far Right can't provide anything beyond the Leviticus passage they can't seek legal means to invoke a ban on civil unions and gay marriage.

And even if the majority of Americans were opposed to gay marriage there are controls in government designed to protect the interests of the minority. Provided those interests aren't based in religious beliefs and/or hate unless said issue is explicit religious persecution, which is a violation of the first amendment.

The only legitimate arguments I've seen against gay marriage cite potential exploitation regarding spousal privilege in criminal cases and green card marriages. And even then we have to admit that spousal privilege is a huge exploit in our legal system. Not to mention an outdated concept that shouldn't have existed in the first place.

Anyway bottom line is this. Anyone with a far in front of their name should encourage you to run like hell.[/quote]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think you hear me. These stances cant be considered far right, left or far anything else in our country. When nearly half of the people believe in them you cant consider them extreme or "far" type issues from the norm.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]So while these issues may make people very divided, both sides express mainstream views no matter how rational or irrational those opposing views are. There are plenty of times i dont like it either, but that doesnt mean someone that who disagrees with me is an extremist, its statistically implausible. [/COLOR][/FONT]

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Greatest Rick Perry quote ever and possibly quote of the century:


[B]
"I am truly offended that the American public would be hoodwinked by stories that do not scientifically hold up."[/B]






Punchline: He believes in God.


:doh:

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About time the media gets called out and flat out curb stomped.


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This is what pisses me off to no end about corporate media. It doesn't matter how good of a candidate you are, if they don't want you, they aren't going to give you the time of day.

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[quote=mlmpetert;869298][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I dont think you hear me. These stances cant be considered far right, left or far anything else in our country. When nearly half of the people believe in them you cant consider them extreme or "far" type issues from the norm.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black]So while these issues may make people very divided, both sides express mainstream views no matter how rational or irrational those opposing views are. There are plenty of times i dont like it either, but that doesnt mean someone that who disagrees with me is an extremist, its statistically implausible. [/COLOR][/FONT][/quote]

Okay now I understand what you're getting at. Make no mistake about it though. A lot of those numbers for those that oppose gay marriage and civil unions are from the over 50 crowd. If it's not far right by the numbers now then it will be in time. Only 35% oppose both civil unions and gay marriage.

Another interesting aspect of the poll
[IMG]http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gjuyiibfpuo7c09cfwsb_w.gif[/IMG]
In other news though it's nice to see that Ron Paul has a chance to win the GOP. In fact if he wins the nomination I might just register to vote for him. Then again I live in a red state so it might be a moot point.

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[quote=saden1;869208]You guys keep hoping the shit you are chucking at the wall sticks. No one wants to go back to Bush era policies and I can't imagine your leading candidates would fair well in a debate about healthcare since one inspired it and the other lobbied for it.[/quote]
Not my guys . I never lose sleep over who gets in the White House , just a reply to your feeling that Obama could not lose . If we defualt on our loans and the dollar tanks .... so does Obama .Should we see job growth and higher wages , he gets re-elected . It was Clinton's and your far left policies that brought us the housing collapse , not Bush's ... [url=http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?pagewanted=all]New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae - NYTimes.com[/url] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4A0RuXhnQA]Democrats Fighting Regulation of Freddie & Fannie - YouTube[/ame] sorry if the truth hurts .

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Clinton is one of the greatest presidents in American history. We would be lucky to get another president that was committed to balancing the budget, creating jobs, and handling foreign affairs in a way that doesn't bankrupt the economy (see the Balkans). From what I understand Obama and Bush are two sides of the same coin in that they both created debt at an alarming rate.

The way I see it you need a Clinton in the white house in the event of the dem's getting the White House and a Regan if the GOP gets the election. Seeing as how Obama is not a Clinton we're left keeping our fingers crossed for a Regan-esque President to emerge from the GOP. Such is the life of an independent.

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@Dirtbag59: I tend to stay away from comparing one presidency to another. My [B][I]only[/I][/B] exception would George W. Bush's time in office. But each presidency should be judged and compared through the lens of history. Every president inherits a different world than his predecessor and we can always think of areas for improvement regarding policy. I think it's really difficult to argue that Bill Clinton would have handled the Libyan crisis and Egypt any better or differently, for that matter, than President Obama. One of Clinton's biggest regrets until this day is not intervening in the Rwandan genocide and most foreign policy experts believe his response to the Balkins was a bit tardy. On the other hand, no matter how the economy turns out Obama will be known for ordering the killing of Bin Laden.

That being said and bias removed, I think history will look favorably on President Obama's eight years in office. Bill Clinton was the right guy for that time, but he didn't inherit two and oversee two theaters of war, a global financial crises, an auto industry on the brink of bankruptcy, and a country literally spiraling into depression. In some ways we really are comparing apples and pears.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;869311]Okay now I understand what you're getting at. Make no mistake about it though. A lot of those numbers for those that oppose gay marriage and civil unions are from the over 50 crowd. If it's not far right by the numbers now then it will be in time. Only 35% oppose both civil unions and gay marriage.

Another interesting aspect of the poll
[IMG]http://sas-origin.onstreammedia.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/gjuyiibfpuo7c09cfwsb_w.gif[/IMG]
In other news though it's nice to see that Ron Paul has a chance to win the GOP. In fact if he wins the nomination I might just register to vote for him. Then again I live in a red state so it might be a moot point.[/quote]

I wouldn't waste too much time analyzing Gallup presidential polls. They're all snapshots, but Gallup in particular is becoming more of an outlier and usually lags about +5 points behind public sentiment. There's zero chance Ron Paul becomes the GOP nominee, in my opinion. His views on foreign policy resonate with his base of followers and a small faction of liberals, but on the whole they don't reflect conservative values and I think the direction he wants to take government is pretty radical. I think a Ron Paul victory in Iowa is an indicator of how irrelevant Iowa has become in primary voting and not a reflection of Ron Paul's strength as a candidate. But we shall see.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;869126]"War" on Christmas and gay marriage bans are two issues that are motivated heavily by religious beliefs. Now I'll be the first to admit that the War on Christmas is petty and a pointless cause for those that believe heavily in separation of church and state. Maybe it's to distract the far right from pushing creationism in public schools. I don't know. Personally I don't care for it either way. [B]To me Christmas is purely a commercial holiday. [/B]
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[URL="http://www.loudountimes.com/index.php/news/article/santa_skeleton_left_amputated_on_courthouse_lawn123/"]UPDATE: Camera put up to monitor vandals | LoudounTimes.com[/URL]

[quote]
What they gathered to be the meaning of the skeleton Santa was Christmas was being fueled by commercialism and didn’t understand why residents were so up-in-arms over the display.
“Christmas has already been destroyed,” Maria Zumer said. “It’s so commercialized.”[/quote]


[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Serious question DirtBag: Are you the Loudon County Courthouse Holiday Display vandal????? [/FONT][/COLOR]

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Dirtbag, I agree with you that in time gay marriage will be more accepted but I don’t think it will be anytime soon. Old people arnt dying as fast as they used to, and younger people usually become more socially conservative as they age. I also see no chance of a federal marriage amendment ever happening, the only amendment that didn’t expand civil rights was prohibition and that didn’t work out.

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana]And like you said Obama and Bush are essentially the same in that they are both big spending, big government politicians. Neither the Democratic or Republican parties are fiscally conservative/responsible whatsoever anymore. I too would vote for Ron Paul, but like 12th said I doubt he gets the nomination, but not necessarily because his views don’t resonate with the majority of Americans. To NCSkins point the MainStream Media is so quick to dismiss him, his views have no chance to resonate with the majority of Americans. Just the fact theres a 40+ page thread on a Redskins forum about GOP candidates with dozens of links makes me think a lot of news programs are going to have to change the way they report information. Calling out and discrediting news networks is now easily accessible and is/has become big business, maybe that will change or shape things more as the practice becomes mainstream.[/FONT][/FONT]

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[quote=12thMan;869378] His views on foreign policy resonate with his base of followers and a small faction of liberals, but on the whole they don't reflect conservative values and I think the direction he wants to take government is pretty radical. [/quote]


You mean the foreign policy that says we won't be meddling in other people's affairs? Dear god that's a great thing. Did you happen to watch that video I posted on the other page? Apparently not.

I think Americans are tired of war and want our government to get the hell out of other people's business and tend to our own. Paul is hands down the better candidate of those other clueless monkeys.



Also, this.

[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/dec/15/michele-bachmann/michele-bachmann-says-politifact-came-out-and-said/[/url]

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[quote=mlmpetert;869397]Dirtbag, I agree with you that in time gay marriage will be more accepted but I don’t think it will be anytime soon. Old people arnt dying as fast as they used to, and younger people usually become more socially conservative as they age. I also see no chance of a federal marriage amendment ever happening, the only amendment that didn’t expand civil rights was prohibition and that didn’t work out.

[FONT=Calibri][FONT=Verdana]And like you said Obama and Bush are essentially the same in that they are both big spending, big government politicians. Neither the Democratic or Republican parties are fiscally conservative/responsible whatsoever anymore. I too would vote for Ron Paul, but like 12th said I doubt he gets the nomination, but not necessarily because his views don’t resonate with the majority of Americans. To NCSkins point the MainStream Media is so quick to dismiss him, his views have no chance to resonate with the majority of Americans. Just the fact theres a 40+ page thread on a Redskins forum about GOP candidates with dozens of links makes me think a lot of news programs are going to have to change the way they report information. Calling out and discrediting news networks is now easily accessible and is/has become big business, maybe that will change or shape things more as the practice becomes mainstream.[/FONT][/FONT][/quote]

My point about Ron Paul is that most of his foreign policy views don't resonate within his own party. I don't think the rest of America isn't paying attention to this guy yet.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;869335]Clinton is one of the greatest presidents in American history. We would be lucky to get another president that was committed to balancing the budget, creating jobs, and handling foreign affairs in a way that doesn't bankrupt the economy (see the Balkans). From what I understand Obama and Bush are two sides of the same coin in that they both created debt at an alarming rate.

The way I see it you need a Clinton in the white house in the event of the dem's getting the White House and a Regan if the GOP gets the election. Seeing as how Obama is not a Clinton we're left keeping our fingers crossed for a Regan-esque President to emerge from the GOP. Such is the life of an independent.[/quote]

Clinton was going to bust the budget wide open with Hillary care if he was allowed. It was only when the Rep. and Newt. took control of the house that Clinton agreed to cut spending. I'll give him credit for seeing that the American people wanted to balance the budget but that was only after the land slide victory of the Rep. after his second yr in office.

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[quote=NC_Skins;869398]You mean the foreign policy that says we won't be meddling in other people's affairs? Dear god that's a great thing. Did you happen to watch that video I posted on the other page? Apparently not.

I think Americans are tired of war and want our government to get the hell out of other people's business and tend to our own. Paul is hands down the better candidate of those other clueless monkeys.



Also, this.

[url=http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/dec/15/michele-bachmann/michele-bachmann-says-politifact-came-out-and-said/]PolitiFact | Michele Bachmann says "PolitiFact came out and said that everything I said was true" in last debate[/url][/quote]

You think the current administration likes war? We just ended the war in Iraq with Republicans kicking and screaming because we didn't leave 10,000 troops behind. And the President will begin a significant draw down in Afghanistan next summer. Exactly how is Ron Paul different than Obama or even John Huntsman on those two fronts? In fact, Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul agree to some extent about the wars. President Obama doesn't believe in torture, neither does Ron Paul. President Obama wants to close Gitmo and so does Ron Paul and John McCain and John Huntsman, I might add.

Now where they differ, and Ron Paul hasn't been completely clear on this, is how to execute the war on terror and sending foreign aid to some of our allies, which has always been a staple of good diplomacy.

Look, the idea that America with all of it's vast military resources and diplomatic clout around the globe will completely stay out other countries business is foolish thinking and probably not in our long term interests when it comes to a range of issues. If our intervention in Libya can keep the price of oil from spiking globally and keep inflation in check here at home, then I'm all for a measured response and a judicious use of our military capability.

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[quote=12thMan;869406]You think the current administration likes war? We just ended the war in Iraq with Republicans kicking and screaming because we didn't leave 10,000 troops behind. And the President will begin a significant draw down in Afghanistan next summer. Exactly how is Ron Paul different than Obama or even John Huntsman on those two fronts? [U]In fact, Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul agree to some extent about the wars. President Obama doesn't believe in torture, neither does Ron Paul. President Obama wants to close Gitmo and so does Ron Paul and John McCain and John Huntsman, I might add.[/U] [/quote]


You haven't been paying attention to his time in office. What he's said he will do and what he's done has been opposite of each other.

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[quote=12thMan;869406] President Obama doesn't believe in torture, neither does Ron Paul. President Obama wants to close Gitmo and so does Ron Paul and John McCain and John Huntsman, I might add. [/quote]


Obama's true stance on Gitmo.

[url=http://www.salon.com/2011/04/25/obama_guantanamo_rhetoric/]The Obama/Gitmo timeline - Guantanamo - Salon.com[/url]




Obama promises to veto law that allows indefinite detention of civilians but signs it anyway.

[url=http://jonathanturley.org/2011/12/15/obama-breaks-promise-to-veto-bill-allowing-indefinite-detention-of-americans/]Happy Birthday, Bill [of Rights]: Obama Breaks Promise To Veto Bill Allowing Indefinite Detention of Americans « JONATHAN TURLEY[/url]


Obama signs extension of Patriot Act.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html]Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama[/url]



You were saying again?

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[quote=NC_Skins;869414]Obama's true stance on Gitmo.

[url=http://www.salon.com/2011/04/25/obama_guantanamo_rhetoric/]The Obama/Gitmo timeline - Guantanamo - Salon.com[/url]




Obama promises to veto law that allows indefinite detention of civilians but signs it anyway.

[url=http://jonathanturley.org/2011/12/15/obama-breaks-promise-to-veto-bill-allowing-indefinite-detention-of-americans/]Happy Birthday, Bill [of Rights]: Obama Breaks Promise To Veto Bill Allowing Indefinite Detention of Americans « JONATHAN TURLEY[/url]


Obama signs extension of Patriot Act.

[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/27/patriot-act-extension-signed-obama-autopen_n_867851.html]Patriot Act Extension Signed By Obama[/url]



You were saying again?[/quote]

Obama isn't going to rock the boat when it comes to "national security" issues and neither is the next guy in charge. He half-heatedly tried to close Gitmo and caved when the GOP threw a tantrum.

Good thing most of numnuts on the GOP side aren't of better quality than Obama. I pray Huntsman comes through.

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[quote=saden1;869422]Obama isn't going to rock the boat when it comes to "national security" issues and neither is the next guy in charge. He half-heatedly tried to close Gitmo and caved when the GOP threw a tantrum.

[B]Good thing most of numnuts on the GOP side aren't of better quality than Obama.[/B] I pray Huntsman comes through.[/quote]

Quality of course being a relative term. I'm not convinced any of them on either side of the aisle are worth a darn anymore.

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[quote=saden1;869422]Obama isn't going to rock the boat when it comes to "national security" issues and neither is the next guy in charge. He half-heatedly tried to close Gitmo and caved when the GOP threw a tantrum.

Good thing most of numnuts on the GOP side aren't of better quality than Obama. I pray Huntsman comes through.[/quote]

His inability to do what he's says he's going to do will be his downfall. If he has no plans to do any of those things he says, he doesn't need to say he's going to do them.

Caving to the GOP? Is that leadership? Hardly. Civil liberties is a huge issue with me, and not standing up for the American people is spineless to say the least. Obama has zero credibility with me.

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[quote=NC_Skins;869412]You haven't been paying attention to his time in office. What he's said he will do and what he's done has been opposite of each other.[/quote]

So what hasn't he done that he said he would? And give me specifics.

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[quote=12thMan;869433]So what hasn't he done that he said he would? And give me specifics.[/quote]

I already did.

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[quote=12thMan;869406]You think the current administration likes war? We just ended the war in Iraq with Republicans kicking and screaming because we didn't leave 10,000 troops behind. [B]And the President will begin a significant draw down in Afghanistan next summer.[/B] Exactly how is Ron Paul different than Obama or even John Huntsman on those two fronts? In fact, Jon Huntsman and Ron Paul agree to some extent about the wars. President Obama doesn't believe in torture, neither does Ron Paul. President Obama wants to close Gitmo and so does Ron Paul and John McCain and John Huntsman, I might add.

Now where they differ, and Ron Paul hasn't been completely clear on this, is how to execute the war on terror and sending foreign aid to some of our allies, which has always been a staple of good diplomacy.

Look, the idea that America with all of it's vast military resources and diplomatic clout around the globe will completely stay out other countries business is foolish thinking and probably not in our long term interests when it comes to a range of issues. If our intervention in Libya can keep the price of oil from spiking globally and keep inflation in check here at home, then I'm all for a measured response and a judicious use of our military capability.[/quote]

I just heard on the news that some of the troops coming home from Iraq will not be here long because they will be headed to Afganistan.

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[quote=12thMan;869433]So what hasn't he done that he said he would? And give me specifics.[/quote]

Here is a list of 56 for a start.

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[quote=mlmpetert;869384][IMG]http://www.loudountimes.com/images/uploads/santaskeleton_thumb.JPG[/IMG]

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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Serious question DirtBag: Are you the Loudon County Courthouse Holiday Display vandal????? [/FONT][/COLOR][/quote]

Well as I said before, I could care less about the War on Christmas. I find both sides to be ridiculous. Non-believers are making other non-believers look petty while the religious-right tries to spin it as malicious religious persecution. Nobody wins the War on Christmas. And most importantly the atheist are putting at risk the virtually automatic time off that everyone gets on the 25th and in many cases the 24th.

Now as for the picture. Cross predominantly displayed in front of a government building doesn't sit well with the secular side of me. Regardless of the message. The message itself is relatively interesting but the venue is inappropriate.

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Only Congress has the power to declare war on Christmas. It's in The US Constitution.

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[quote=724Skinsfan;869532]Only Congress has the power to declare war on Christmas. It's in The US Constitution.[/quote]

lol nice

Christmas is all about money now period. Its about making bottomlines. Same people that bitch about a culture war on christmas rather sit in lines to get $500 tv than show up for church or mass on christmas day. Hypocricy is seriously our country's most entertaining value.

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No need to wage war on xmass...let the christians celebrate thier pagan festival. Also, I can understand kids getting gifts but adults exchanging gift of similar value? Seems stupid.

Remember, cash is king... give a gift card.

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[quote=Chico23231;869540]lol nice

Christmas is all about money now period. Its about making bottomlines. Same people that bitch about a culture war on christmas rather sit in lines to get $500 tv than show up for church or mass on christmas day. Hypocricy is seriously our country's most entertaining value.[/quote]

Speak for yourself. Me and several others have worked all week to get food, gifts, paid a families rent, etc.. to help them through christmas. While doing this I have found a whole network of people trying to help people and it has made Christmas that much more special this year.

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[quote=firstdown;869554]Speak for yourself. Me and several others have worked all week to get food, gifts, paid a families rent, etc.. to help them through christmas. While doing this I have found a whole network of people trying to help people and it has made Christmas that much more special this year.[/quote]

That is really great FD and it brings the true meaning to the holiday.

Charity and giving is awesome, i guess when people call it other things it invokes different reactions. But come'on Money, materialism > sweet baby jesus in this country all day long

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[quote=Chico23231;869561]That is really great FD and it brings the true meaning to the holiday.

Charity and giving is awesome, i guess when people call it other things it invokes different reactions. But come'on Money, materialism > sweet baby jesus in this country all day long[/quote]

Actually I did not mean for that post to sound like the "me" post as it did. Our Club decided to give $ to needy families in our area. What I was trying to point out was how many people where actually networking to help families in our area. We see the people out shopping around but what's not seen are all the people helping others in tough times.

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^ The US is considered the most charitable nation for 2011:
[URL="http://blog.heritage.org/2011/12/21/most-charitable-nations-are-among-the-most-economically-free/"]Most Charitable Nations Are Among the Most Economically Free[/URL]

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[quote=Dirtbag59;869517]Well as I said before, I could care less about the War on Christmas. I find both sides to be ridiculous. Non-believers are making other non-believers look petty while the religious-right tries to spin it as malicious religious persecution. Nobody wins the War on Christmas. And most importantly the atheist are putting at risk the virtually automatic time off that everyone gets on the 25th and in many cases the 24th.

Now as for the picture. Cross predominantly displayed in front of a government building doesn't sit well with the secular side of me. Regardless of the message. The message itself is relatively interesting but the venue is inappropriate.[/quote]


I think you know, but i was completely kidding. And youre completely right the people that want to make a point by getting the right to put a skelton Santa on a cross in front of a courthouse are crazy and are fing up their own cause.

Christmas may be the most material of all the holidays, but its probably also the most charitable holiday (Thanksgiving up there?).

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[url=http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/12/21/boehners-office-cuts-off-c-span-cameras-as-gop-takes-beating/]Boehner’s office cuts off C-SPAN cameras as GOP takes verbal beating | The Raw Story[/url]

Why do people still support these clowns? I find it hilarious we talk shit about North Koreans being brain washed, yet follow idiots like this in our government.