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[quote=skinsfaninok;867705]AJ Green is LEGIT, but so is Dalton[/quote]

That he is, but right now Steve Smith is the better player.

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[quote=Ruhskins;867708]Yeah, you didn't know he can play wideout and be a crappy GM? LOL.

I don't think AJ Green is better than Steve Smith, simply pointing out that Dalton has a good target to throw to, just like Cam does.[/quote]

Cam has Greg Olsen too, and no wonder AJ Smith didn't wanna pay Vincent Jackson.

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[quote=earthquake2689;867709]that he is, but right now steve smith is the better player.[/quote]


hof imo

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[quote=30gut;867611]I'm curious as to why you consider Tannehill be a 'project' or a 'raw' QB?
Inexperience?

He'll have more snaps played then Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez both of whom were day 1 starters.

In fact Tanneyhill is more of a direct system fit for [I][B]this[/B][/I] team then a QB in the draft.

And to a certain extent [I]every[/I] QB is a project.[/quote]

Excellent points.

I think that there is a lot to like about Tannehill. I want us to draft the best possible QB we can and, outside of Luck perhaps, Tannehill may be that guy. This is especially true if you consider a fit in Kyle's offense.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867587]If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired[/quote]


You mean 4-12, right??????????????

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867587]If we finish 5-11 again next year I hope MS is fired[/quote]

What so they can continue to pay him while he's sipping coctails at the bar? watching whoever the next best thing since sliced bread gets hired to come in here and start all over again to get the players that fit his system only to get fired after 2-3 years cause he failed to meet fans expectations and so the saga can continue of no continuity?

OK.

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[quote=SBXVII;867737]What so they can continue to pay him while he's sipping coctails at the bar? watching whoever the next best thing since sliced bread gets hired to come in here and start all over again to get the players that fit his system only to get fired after 2-3 years cause he failed to meet fans expectations and so the saga can continue of no continuity?

OK.[/quote]


I want Mike to win and be our HC Js

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;867613]Cam Newton's physical skills are off the charts though. Like I said if Tannehill is the guy they really want then he better be great because if Shanny passes on Matt Barkley and Robert Griffin III with both of them on the board it will take all my energy not to snipe Shanny COD style because I think they both will be special.[/quote]Thus far you are the only person suggesting passing on Barkley and Griffin for Tannehill; I'm certainly not.

I was responding specifically to ruhskins comment about Tannehill being a 'project'.
And my points are that a Tannehill is really less of 'project' QB then meets the eye because he has direct scheme familiarity even down to similiar verbiage.
I also pointed out that he'll have more experience then other rookie QBs that ended up being day 1 starters.

Of course Cam's physical skills are off the charts, no one is suggesting they're not.

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[quote=30gut;867838]Thus far you are the only person suggesting passing on Barkley and Griffin for Tannehill; I'm certainly not.

I was responding specifically to ruhskins comment about Tannehill being a 'project'.
And my points are that a Tannehill is really less of 'project' QB then meets the eye because he has direct scheme familiarity even down to similiar verbiage.
I also pointed out that he'll have more experience then other rookie QBs that ended up being day 1 starters.

Of course Cam's physical skills are off the charts, no one is suggesting they're not.[/quote]

Hey Smoot seems to think Tannehill is their guy, I want Griffin or Barkley. I don't really like Tannehill at all to be honest.

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I agree with most of you post, so I reponded to the points where I have a different viewpoint.
[quote=KI Skins Fan;867632]Speaking of RGIII, why isn't Tannehill as celebrated as RGIII as an athlete? Tannehill is just as effective as a runner as RGIII. Heck, Tannehill runs like a deer! He reminds me of Jake Locker when he runs - and I like Locker a lot![/quote]Tannehill is without a doubt a good athlete in his own right.
But, Griffin literally has world class speed and uses his athleticism more often then Tannehill.

[quote]On the other hand, for some reason, he throws a terrible out pattern. Also, even though TAMU didn't seem to throw deep much, the deep passes I saw him throw weren't very good. He has a strong arm so I assume he can improve on those throws.[/quote]I didn't see this at all, to my eye he throws the deep comeback and the deep very well, his ability on these throws are a testament to his arm strength.

I consider his deep ball to be average.

[quote]Yes, he's going to have a steep learning curve as a pro and the team that picks him probably won't be able to throw him into the starting lineup right away but I think that will be the case for nearly all of the other QB prospects, including RGIII. That is, except for Luck and Barkley. Andrew Luck could start right away but he will probably be sitting behind Peyton Manning and Matt Barkley will probably take his lumps as a rookie starter.[/quote]He won't have a steep learning curve for [I]Kyle's[/I] offense because its the same offense Mike Sherman ran at A&M.
For me his scheme knowledge helps bring the gap that exsist because of his comparative playing inexperience between the other prospects.

[quote]Now, some team may pick RGIII high enough that they feel obligated to start him from Day 1 but, if that happens, I think RGIII will struggle as a rookie.[/quote]I tend to consider a prospect's ability to start and play well doesn't have a whole lot to do with being 'pro-ready'.
Imo a prospect ability to play well early is more a product of talent, coachability and work ethic mixed with the drafting team's talent level and their offensives staff ability to teach.

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I'm worried about MS and his QBs

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867845]I'm worried about MS and his QBs[/quote]
Me Too, My Friend, Me Too.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867845]I'm worried about MS and his QBs[/quote]

Aren't we all?

He'd better get it right this time around if he wants to keep his job.

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I just tend to think that the Shanahan's are going to take the guy that they think is best for THEIR offense...and that's going to be a BIG mistake. I haven't seen a lot of Baylor games but RG3 seems to have a talent level that is off the charts. Great deep ball thrower, world class speed, he reminds me of Michael Vick with better character and a lot more maturity. My only question can he become a great QB? Can he get the nuances down of the pro game? ..like Steve Young did. But the more I hear this guy talk the more I like him. Very humble young man who's got a great head on his shoulders. If he came back next year he'd most likely be the #1 pick. SO if that's the case don't ya think we need to draft him?

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[quote=skinsfan69;867935][B]I just tend to think that the Shanahan's are going to take the guy that they think is best for THEIR offense[/B]...and that's going to be a BIG mistake. I haven't seen a lot of Baylor games but RG3 seems to have a talent level that is off the charts. Great deep ball thrower, world class speed, he reminds me of Michael Vick with better character and a lot more maturity. My only question can he become a great QB? Can he get the nuances down of the pro game? ..like Steve Young did. But the more I hear this guy talk the more I like him. Very humble young man who's got a great head on his shoulders. If he came back next year he'd most likely be the #1 pick. SO if that's the case don't ya think we need to draft him?[/quote]

I don't agree with that line of thinking very much. Look what Denver did. They formatted their offense to Tebow's strengths and have won 6 straight. I think Shanny and Co. needs to pick the best athlete at QB with the most potential and work the offense to his skill set. I'm not saying dramatically change it, but do something to conform to more of their style.

I mean, what's the point of drafting a less talented athlete just to get someone that fits your scheme best? Get the most talented guy and make your scheme fit his style. You want the best players on the team. Not the best players to fit the scheme. You are boxing yourself in if you do that.

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Ryan Tannehill (6-2, 222), senior, QB, Texas A&M

Tannehill’s NFL potential finally took off after winning the starting job during the 2010 season. So far this year, he hasn't disappointed.

Tannehill has displayed much better pocket sense. Combined with his foot quickness and athleticism, he moves efficiently to avoid pressure and can re-set, either in the pocket or outside, with accurate throws. He does an excellent job of reading defenses. When he finds open receivers, Tannehill gets rid of the ball quickly and is usually on target. He is more poised than before, and doesn't panic as plays breakdown. Also, he doesn't throw the ball up for grabs to avoid sacks.

Tannehill has good arm strength and does a good job of throwing the ball where only the receiver can make a play. For a player who was viewed as a likely fourth-round pick entering the 2011 season, we have heard scouts talk about him being a high second-round pick now. PROJECTED: Second round.

Read more: [url=http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-10/nfl-mock-draft/story/aggies-ryan-tannehill-making-most-of-senior-season#ixzz1gX6G5Hxg]2012 NFL Draft: QB Ryan Tannehill impresses in senior year - NFL - Sporting News[/url]

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[quote=SkinzWin;867939]I don't agree with that line of thinking very much. Look what Denver did. They formatted their offense to Tebow's strengths and have won 6 straight. I think Shanny and Co. needs to pick the best athlete at QB with the most potential and work the offense to his skill set. I'm not saying dramatically change it, but do something to conform to more of their style.

I mean, what's the point of drafting a less talented athlete just to get someone that fits your scheme best? Get the most talented guy and make your scheme fit his style. You want the best players on the team. Not the best players to fit the scheme. You are boxing yourself in if you do that.[/quote]

The difference is John Fox doesn't come across as an egomanic.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867954]Ryan Tannehill (6-2, 222), senior, QB, Texas A&M

Tannehill’s NFL potential finally took off after winning the starting job during the 2010 season. So far this year, he hasn't disappointed.

Tannehill has displayed much better pocket sense. Combined with his foot quickness and athleticism, he moves efficiently to avoid pressure and can re-set, either in the pocket or outside, with accurate throws. He does an excellent job of reading defenses. When he finds open receivers, Tannehill gets rid of the ball quickly and is usually on target. He is more poised than before, and doesn't panic as plays breakdown. Also, he doesn't throw the ball up for grabs to avoid sacks.

Tannehill has good arm strength and does a good job of throwing the ball where only the receiver can make a play. For a player who was viewed as a likely fourth-round pick entering the 2011 season, we have heard scouts talk about him being a high second-round pick now. PROJECTED: Second round.

Read more: [URL="http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/feed/2011-10/nfl-mock-draft/story/aggies-ryan-tannehill-making-most-of-senior-season#ixzz1gX6G5Hxg"]2012 NFL Draft: QB Ryan Tannehill impresses in senior year - NFL - Sporting News[/URL][/quote]


RT seems like a guy that would be a good player. A guy you could win with. But RG 3 could potentially be a great player.

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What denver is doing is nice and all and they will win the West but next year The Tebow project won't work, Just like the Wildcat after a year.. It's why they won't commit to him as their guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867962]What denver is doing is nice and all and they will win the West but next year The Tebow project won't work, Just like the Wildcat after a year.. It's why they won't commit to him as their guy[/quote]

I agree. Tebow also isn't the greatest athlete at QB as was my argument. I was just making the point that tailoring your scheme to the most athletic and all-around best player is better than choosing a player that is not the best but better fits your scheme. Tebow is obviously not the most gifted passer in the league.

^ oh yeah no doubt, I want the skins to draft RG3 I think he's a player that can end up being a nightmare for other teams, great arm and faster than many linebackers in the league.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867983]^ oh yeah no doubt, I want the skins to draft RG3 I think he's a player that can end up being a nightmare for other teams, great arm and faster than many linebackers in the league.[/quote]

Try ALL linebackers. Don't know many linebackers running the 100m in 10 seconds. He's faster than most players.

Good point lol

Mcshay top 5

Luck
Barkley
RGIII
Jones
Tannenhill

If we draft 5 or 6 we should get RG3

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I say if we draft Tannehill we A) better have traded down to get a lot of picks and B) better draft Kellen Moore, because I will not be amazed by Tannehill, he just looks like a College QB being forced to start for a prominent franchise.

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Reminds me of Mallett

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867987]If we draft 5 or 6 we should get RG3[/quote]

Depends on who picks 3rd and 4th.

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Well Viks won't take a QB, neither will STL I'm worried about Cleveland

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Cleveland and Miami could trade up.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;867986]Mcshay top 5

Luck
Barkley
RGIII
Jones
Tannenhill[/quote]

FWIW, I pretty much agree with that but I'd go a bit further and put them in tiers.

Tier 1: Luck - 1st Pick
Tier 2: Barkley - Top 5
Tier 3: RGIII - Top 10
Tier 4: Jones, Tannehill - 2nd Round
Tier 5: Foles, Cousins, Moore - 3rd Round or Later

To me, there is clear separation between Luck and either Barkley or RGIII. I like Barkley more than I like RGIII but it's closer between the two of them than it is between them and Luck. Then there is a significantly wider gap between RGIII and either Jones or Tannehill. The Tier 5 QB's are also worthy prospects and there is not much difference between them and the Tier 4 QB's.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;868000]Cleveland and Miami could trade up.[/quote]

If we lose the rest of the games this year we will be in a good situation. Most likely the 4th pick and the Colts would take Luck, St. Louis and Minny isn't picking a QB.

I could see Miami possibly trading up but I don't feel the Browns are sold on the fact that Mccoy isn't the answer. So, i'd say there is an extremely low chance that both teams would trade up to #2 and #3. Personally, I doubt either team will trade up to the 2nd or 3rd pick.

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[quote=Gtothearry;868007]If we lose the rest of the games this year we will be in a good situation. Most likely the 4th pick and the Colts would take Luck, St. Louis and Minny isn't picking a QB.

I could see Miami possibly trading up but I don't feel the Browns are sold on the fact that Mccoy isn't the answer. So, i'd say there is an extremely low chance that both teams would trade up to #2 and #3. Personally, I doubt either team will trade up to the 2nd or 3rd pick.[/quote]

Don't think it will happen at all, just saying it's possible.

Today was the 3rd time I've seen Manning being linked to the redskins.. Can anyone actually see that happening?

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No.

I don't either because I don't see the colts letting him go

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868019]Today was the 3rd time I've seen Manning being linked to the redskins.. Can anyone actually see that happening?[/quote]

Hell No.

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[quote=Mattyk;868020]No.[/quote]

I think that is the shortest post I have ever seen you write. You trying to steal my thunder???

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[quote=Mattyk;868020]No.[/quote]

Why? You already know that everyone over in Ashburn does not want to wait around to win. They don't want to draft a rookie and wait for him to develop. They'd rather try the quick fix way. That's the way it's been since Snyder became the owner. Plus with an older coach and a GM who takes after his father, I could very easily see us making a serious play for Manning. If you put a healthy Manning on this current team then you could argue that it's as good as anyone in the division.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868027]Why? You already know that everyone over in Ashburn does not want to wait around to win. They don't want to draft a rookie and wait for him to develop. They'd rather try the quick fix way. That's the way it's been since Snyder became the owner. Plus with an older coach and a GM who takes after his father, I could very easily see us making a serious play for Manning. If you put a healthy Manning on this current team then you could argue that it's as good as anyone in the division.[/quote]

No, No, No.