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I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.

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[I][quote=Mechanix544;881962]With all due respect, this is completely wrong. After the ridiculously horrible teams and below average quarterback play we have witnessed the past decade and a half, if we get youth on this squad, try and build through the draft, and quit signing veteran players for way too much, then the fanbase will "take their lumps".

That is, with one variable.

Better quarterback play, or at least quarterback play with a little promise. If we have back to back 7-9 or 8-8 seasons, but have a capable rookie at the helm, and understand that the pieces are being put in place, and the team will take a year or two to completely "gel", then I hope that we as skins fans can see the light at the end of the tunnel. 7-9 or 8-8 would bring our squad out of the cellar, and might just end our reign as the laughing stock of the league. But it all hinges on quarterback play, and that all depends on the front office and how they plan on getting him here.

7-9 with a nice young rookie showing promise, acceptable. [/I]

[B][/B][I][/I][B]7-9 with Rex Grossman at the helm, again leading the league in fumbles and turnovers, unnacceptable.[/B][B][/B][I][/I]/quote]

I disagree with this last statement. If Redskins do enough to get to 7-9, show some real improvement, and we have to wait another year for a quality QB, or a drafted QB to develop and learn the system, then that's OK with me. It would show measurable progress and offer hope for the future.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882776]I'll bet I know exactly who his source is. One of my sources is also a scout connected to the Browns. But he can be pretty ridiculous with his info which is why I always cross check what he says. Though last year he was the only person to give me the heads up on Bowen to the Redskins. But I ignored him.[/quote]

So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?

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Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=Lotus;882782]So what does a Browns scout have to say about the team's regard for Colt McCoy?[/quote]

Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution

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[quote=SmootSmack;882786]Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution[/quote]

Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff. :)

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[quote=Lotus;882794]Dammit SS, tell me what I want to hear without messing around with this truth stuff. :)[/quote]


Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.

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[quote=redskin29633;882784]Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

There's some days where I want to go all Schneed on some people. And then I say to myself, "give, and ye shall receive. Goosfraba."

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[quote=SmootSmack;882786]Belief that where he was drafted is a strong indicator that they never believed he was their long term solution[/quote]
You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.

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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

[url=http://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/896908/Main/896778/]Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk[/url]

post #896921

[quote=random Browns fan]
Just on a side note and not to derail the thread but I was reading that link posted to Washington and they had some [B]serious dicussion[/B] from the "[B]people in the know[/B]" about [B]McCoy going to Washington[/B] and [B]pairing him up with Shipley[/B] (sp?).
[/quote]

:doh::doh::doh::doh:

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that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns

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[quote=los panda;882821]that site hurts my eyes, and i like the browns[/quote]

I like the Redskins, but a certain site that has the same rooting interests hurts my eyes too. ;) Why do you think I came to this joint instead?

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[quote=30gut;882816]You would think a team would gauge their level of faith in a prospect based on how they play and not where they were drafted.
Even still IIRC Holmgren wanted to pull the trigger on Colt McCoy earlier in the draft.[/quote]

Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"

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[quote=mooby;882818]LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

Do you see what happens when random people post random rumors on the interwebz? You get stuff like this:

[url=http://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/896908/Main/896778/]Dawg Talkers Message Boards: Vikes and Rams will listen to trade talk[/url]

post #896921



:doh::doh::doh::doh:[/quote]

Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now

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[quote=SmootSmack;882823]Well, their judgement is probably influenced from the initial impression. "We drafted him in the 3rd round because he wasn't a must have for us and we didn't really see him as a franchise long-term solution...so prove us wrong Colt" vs. "We traded up to get him because we believe this is the guy to lead us to multiple titles and we had to have him...so prove us right RG3"[/quote]I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round but has produced more quality QBs then most.
I'd bet his hit rate average with QBs outstrips the average of the rest of the league.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.

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[quote=30gut;882833]I guess it depends on who 'they' are.
If 'they' is Mike Holmgren then I doubt draft position has much bearing on how he views his QBs.
And in general I don't think the way you describe the thought process is how coaches approach their QB decisions.
I don't believe a coach would ever draft a QB with the thought: I don't believe QB X has a chance to become franchise QB, prove us wrong.
I'm sure that wasn't the thought when Walsh drafted Montana in the 3rd.
Also IIRC Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the 1st round.
And has produced more quality QBs then most.
His track record suggests that when it comes to QBs he right far more often then the NFL at large.

On the whole I don't think QB gurus judge or gauge their opinion on a QB by how much they had to give up to acquire them.
Rather they seek to use their understanding of what they're looking for in a QB to spend/draft lower then the the rest of the league.[/quote]

Well don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what this scout (former actually) and some others think is happening in Cleveland.

Me personally? I think they don't really have an opinion on McCoy yet

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[quote=SmootSmack;882834]Well don't shoot the messenger. I'm just telling you what this scout (former actually) and some others think is happening in Cleveland.

Me personally? I think they don't really have an opinion on McCoy yet[/quote]Not at all, didn't intend to shoot the messenger.
Just speculating on the plausibility/logic behind some of the info out there.

Holmgren is quoted to have said that he wants to bring in competition.
It just doesn't seem logical to me to draft high or give up high draft picks for competition, that would be for replacement.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882805]Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.[/quote]

I took that as bringing in veteran competition but, I guess should start thinking of a worse case scenario instead of hoping for the best.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;882831]Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now[/QUOTE]

Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.

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[quote=NC_Skins;882805]Hell, Holmgren even stated as much right after their season was over. Stated they would be bringing in competition at the QB spot. Says everything you need to know.[/quote]

I thought that I would seek more inside info than vague press conference coach-speak.

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[quote=mooby;882842]Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.[/quote]

Didn't even notice the link back :)

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[quote=redskin29633;882784]Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]

Rex was often a playmaker for the opposition, as well. He has a major problem with turnovers and, after 9 years in the league, it doesn't look like he can correct that problem.

Regardless, I think it is now clear to most observers that an NFL team needs to have a QB who is well above average in order to be a contender. That's not Rex.

Nevertheless, I would support signing him as a backup. I think he's more than adequate in that role.

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It's not like Kyle gave Rex a ringing endorsement, he said they need to upgrade the position. Which doesn't really bode well for Rex coming back again to start.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882831]Clearly referencing this site since they also bring up SC's Vikings/Bradford/Redskins rumor

But yeah I think I've gone blind now[/quote]

wow that site is worse on the eyes than ES...

Internet 101, a black background BLOWS

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If the Browns get Bradford I am going to be bitter as hell...

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[quote=celts32;882940]If the Browns get Bradford I am going to be bitter as hell...[/quote]

I would be totally stunned if Bradford is playing for any team other than St Louis or Washington

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[quote=mooby;882842]Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.[/quote]

That would be me.

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[quote=iamsrk;882942]That would be me.[/quote]

Tell us more about yourself

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[quote=redskin29633;882784]Sounds to me as if the door is still open for Rex in 2012.

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/kyle-shanahan-rex-grossman-was-redskins-best-playmaker-in-2011/2012/02/01/gIQApealhQ_blog.html]Kyle Shanahan: Rex Grossman was Redskins best playmaker in 2011 - DC Sports Bog - The Washington Post[/url][/quote]Yeah, I heard that interview last week.
It would be funny if Rex was on a different team but because he was i find that comment a little disconcerting.
Rex Grossman is not a playmaker in anyway shape or form.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882941]I would be totally stunned if Bradford is playing for any team other than St Louis or Washington[/quote]

That's good because reading that rumor was a punch in the gut. I can live with St Louis keeping him but if they make him available and the Skins don't get it done I am gonna lose it.

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[quote=iamsrk;882942]That would be me.[/quote]

That would be you indeed. I wish I could trust your sources better, but one random post does not a reliable source make.

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[quote=30gut;882835]Not at all, didn't intend to shoot the messenger.
Just speculating on the plausibility/logic behind some of the info out there.

Holmgren is quoted to have said that he wants to bring in competition.
It just doesn't seem logical to me to draft high or give up high draft picks for competition, that would be for replacement.[/quote]

I look at it this way, there are fans here who seem to think we need to do whatever it takes to get RGIII to even include throwing all our draft picks away this yr and possibly next simply cause they think he will be the "franchise" QB of the future. What I find interesting is apparently no one else is supposed to think that way either only the Skins.

I'm telling you other teams although might not need a QB will probably try to get him if they think he's better then what they got now. I said this back in Nov. when Mock drafts were coming out saying this is how the draft will go:
1-Colts (need a QB) Luck
2- Rams (need a LT) Kalil
3- Vikes (need a WR) Blackmon
4- Bucks (need a CB) Claiborne
5- Skins (need a QB) RGIII

I said any of those teams would probably take a second look at RGIII if he is supposed to be the "franchise" QB everyone thinks he is. Then there is Dolphins, Titans, Seattle, Cardinals, etc. etc. etc.

We would be better served to try to pick up a FA QB and pick up a WR/QB tandum in the first two rounds. I don't want Orton but if it's expected for him to simply be back up to whoever is drafted then I'm ok with it. I just don't want him starting otherwise we might as well keep Grossman, I think his knowledge of the scheme out weights the few less INT's Orton provides.

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[quote=mooby;882842]Well I know they're referencing us because I found the link to that forum in the link backs section at the bottom of this thread. But yeah that's horrible. One random guy comes in here and says he thinks McCoy and Shipley are coming here and then it's a legit rumor? Only in the offseason.[/quote]

Very similar to this.....

[url=http://www.hogshaven.com/2012/2/4/2770698/plaxico-burress-predicts-drew-brees-to-the-redskins]Plaxico Burress Predicts Drew Brees to the Redskins - Hogs Haven[/url]

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[quote=celts32;882940]If the Browns get Bradford I am going to be bitter as hell...[/quote]

One mans loss is another mans gain. I'll be estatic. Let some other team make the idiotic draft pick trade for Bradford.

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I think I'm ready for "QB Apocalypse: The Seventh Sign"

I get excited when there is a new chapter.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;882908]Rex was often a playmaker for the opposition, as well. He has a major problem with turnovers and, after 9 years in the league, it doesn't look like he can correct that problem.

Regardless, I think it is now clear to most observers that an NFL team needs to have a QB who is well above average in order to be a contender. That's not Rex.

Nevertheless, I would support signing him as a backup. I think he's more than adequate in that role.[/quote]

I believe that if Rex does come back, it will be as a backup--eventually. Depending upon the draft choice at QB, I do think that it's also possible for Rex to be the starter for the first six-eight games in 2012. Regardless, I hope we re-sign Rex because he is probably the best option as backup QB.

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[quote=SBXVII;882968]One mans loss is another mans gain. I'll be estatic. Let some other team make the idiotic draft pick trade for Bradford.[/quote]

That's okay...you will come around after we win the NFC East.

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I hear ya got a QB spot open.

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I hear ya got a QB spot open.[/quote]

Peyton: I tell you what, if you make your son "disappear" and let me run the offense I want to play, I'll come to Washington and save your hide.

Shanny: Sold!

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[/quote]

Peyton in his best Elvis impression:

Hey babeh.

Mike S: yeah?

Peyton: yeah.