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[quote=The Goat;893607]Ha! That's excellent! Tebow and TJack: masters of the jump pass![/quote]

Didn't Doug Flutie do that first?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893726]Lot of people seem to be saying Vincent Jackson will be one of the first FAs we bring in. I'm not sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if a trade is made on Monday, especially if Manning does make his decision on Monday. If we're able to hold firm and not move our #2 to get RG3 that would be outstanding.

[B]Still hearing that Manning has not ruled the Redskins out, but Dolphins are pretty much in the driver's seat.[/B][/quote]

I'm thinking Miami will most certainly have him by Monday.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893726]Lot of people seem to be saying Vincent Jackson will be one of the first FAs we bring in. I'm not sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if a trade is made on Monday, especially if Manning does make his decision on Monday. If we're able to hold firm and not move our #2 to get RG3 that would be outstanding.

Still hearing that Manning has not ruled the Redskins out, but Dolphins are pretty much in the driver's seat.[/quote]Who do you think we would trade for on Monday? Or at least what position?

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[quote=Darrell_Green_28;893731]Didn't Doug Flutie do that first?[/quote]

All of Flutie's passes were jump passes because he was only 2'6" tall.

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[quote=mooby;893679]That contradicts everything I've heard. All indications are that we are willing to give up our first this year and next year, but we are not willing to give up our first and second this year.[/quote]

Yea..... That's kinda what I thought I said. What I heard the Browns want

2012: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
2013: 1st, and either 3rd or 4th.

The Skins balked because they frowned on giving up the 2nd round pick which they hope to pick up a draft pick in. Unless the Browns lower their standards I just don't foresee RGIII here.

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Just meant a Rams trade in general (though most would assume it's with the Redskins).

I don't think (my opinion) losing Manning would compel the Redskins to up their offer for RG3. They know the Rams desperately want out of there. If they won't budge, we'll just to talk to Minnesota or take Tannehill at 6.

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[quote=SBXVII;893676]The Skins are not willing to give up their two 1st round picks because they would like to use the 2nd round pick for support. The Browns can give up one 1st round pick and their 2nd round pick this year and still have a 1st round pick for support.

I think they won't have a problem with that. We lose again. Have a nice day.

We'll have Flynn/Tannehill, Cousins, or Weeden.[/quote]

Hard to argue w/ this logic.

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[quote=SBXVII;893736]Yea..... That's kinda what I thought I said. What I heard the Browns want

2012: 1st, 2nd, 3rd.
2013: 1st, and either 3rd or 4th.

The Skins balked because they frowned on giving up the 2nd round pick which they hope to pick up a draft pick in. Unless the Browns lower their standards I just don't foresee RGIII here.[/quote]

Don't you mean what the Rams want?

/ok I'll stop. Seriously if we're the only bidder I could see Eli Manning type compensation here, meaning our 1st this year, and our 1st, 3rd, and a player next year.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893689]I don't know what his top 3 is, if he even has one. That said, I know there are reports out there that he's said no to us and that is not what I've heard at all. We're very much in it, but again (think I mentioned this before) we're not really intending to negotiate. We have a "take it or leave it" offer in mind.

Rumor is a decision will be made by Manning on Monday. We'll see.[/quote]

Could "take it or leave it" mean match any other offer?!

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Not from what I hear. Our offer has no guarantees, Miami's apparently does.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893743]Not from what I hear. Our offer has not guarantees, Miami's apparently does.[/quote]

No guarantees sounds like a deal breaker.

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here what the NFL network says.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82777dfb/article/report-redskins-already-out-on-peyton-manning-chase?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: Redskins already out on Peyton Manning chase[/url]

In don't see PM here now, especially after our offer isn't guaranteed.

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[quote=mooby;893739]Don't you mean what the Rams want?

/ok I'll stop. Seriously if we're the only bidder I could see Eli Manning type compensation here, meaning our 1st this year, and our 1st, 3rd, and a player next year.[/quote]

Yeah sorry the Rams.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;893744]No guarantees sounds like a deal breaker.[/quote]

Yeah, no guarantees is not trying too hard.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;893745]here what the NFL network says.

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82777dfb/article/report-redskins-already-out-on-peyton-manning-chase?module=HP11_headline_stack]NFL.com news: Report: Redskins already out on Peyton Manning chase[/url][/quote]

Wow! Breaking news

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[quote=skinsguy;893729]What does the life span of a doctor have to do with his/her prognosis on a patient? I don't see the correlation.

Secondly, it would be medically irresponsible for doctors to come out and say that Peyton Manning's healed neck is in no more danger of a career ending/life changing injury than anybody else on the field if that wasn't the case.

Lastly, Manning hasn't been injury prone. He had neck surgeries to repair those issues, but until then, had never missed a game. I don't call that injury prone.

I do agree that chances are, Manning is probably not going to be 100% this season. But as we have all said and agree, 60% of Peyton Manning is better than most NFL quarterbacks in the league right now. Certainly better than Rex Grossman and John Beck.[/quote]

The correlation is doctors are not always correct. And lots of them get sued for malpractice everyday. Having surgery must happen at times in life. But surgery slows people down. People need to have adequate time to heal from surgery. This is why Peyton Manning is not 100% and he won't be even by the start of next season. Now that he's had the surgery, he's more prone to having a career ending injury. Sure he can play. Sure he can compete. But what's going to happen when nasty James Harrison collides his helmet to Manning's like some crazy charging rhino? Manning is going to suffer for the hit. And seeing that he's not one hundred percent healthy, he could be paralyzed. And you're correct. Peyton Manning has never been prone to injury. But he is now. 60% of Manning is worse than any quarterback in the NFL. At 60%, he should be holding a clipboard on the sidelines. I'm just happy that he doesn't want to come to Washington. We didn't need him anyway.

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If I were a betting man, I would say Miami is where PM will sign up, Has weapons around him. A defense that does not give up. Warm weather. Stays in the AFC. ANd he gets to face Brady twice a year.

Not to mention PM has a summer home in South Florida.

But IF I were to make that bet, Manning would end up signing with a Canadian Football League team. Cuz, thats just my luck when I place any type of wager......

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;893753]The correlation is doctors are not always correct. And lots of them get sued for malpractice everyday. Having surgery must happen at times in life. But surgery slows people down. People need to have adequate time to heal from surgery. This is why Peyton Manning is not 100% and he won't be even by the start of next season. Now that he's had the surgery, he's more prone to having a career ending injury. Sure he can play. Sure he can compete. But what's going to happen when nasty James Harrison collides his helmet to Manning's like some crazy charging rhino? Manning is going to suffer for the hit. And seeing that he's not one hundred percent healthy, he could be paralyzed. And you're correct. Peyton Manning has never been prone to injury. But he is now. 60% of Manning is worse than any quarterback in the NFL. At 60%, he should be holding a clipboard on the sidelines. I'm just happy that he doesn't want to come to Washington. We didn't need him anyway.[/quote]

Where did you get your MD degree and what was your specialty in med school?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893726]Lot of people seem to be saying Vincent Jackson will be one of the first FAs we bring in. I'm not sure.

Wouldn't surprise me if a trade is made on Monday, especially if Manning does make his decision on Monday. If we're able to hold firm and not move our #2 to get RG3 that would be outstanding.

Still hearing that Manning has not ruled the Redskins out, but Dolphins are pretty much in the driver's seat.[/quote]

Trade?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893743]Not from what I hear. [B]Our offer has no guarantees[/B], Miami's apparently does.[/quote]

Whawha?! LOL so we're not serious about signing Peyton after all.

[QUOTE=The Goat;893759]Whawha?! LOL so we're not serious about signing Peyton after all.[/QUOTE]

Apparently not if this story is true

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[quote=The Goat;893759]Whawha?! LOL so we're not serious about signing Peyton after all.[/quote]

As I've heard no one is coming close to what the Dolphins are reportedly offering.

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;893761]As I've heard no one is coming close to what the Dolphins are reportedly offering.[/QUOTE]

Damn they must be offering 8-10 M a year or something

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[quote=Lotus;893756]Where did you get your MD degree and what was your specialty in med school?[/quote]

You say that to say what?

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[quote=SmootSmack;893761]As I've heard no one is coming close to what the Dolphins are reportedly offering.[/quote]

That's something...but IMO we should be willing to match/beat any offer out there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893761]As I've heard no one is coming close to what the Dolphins are reportedly offering.[/quote]

Good, let them out Danny Boy the danny, save us from ourselves! Don't mean to sound so cynical, I'm just not seein PM workin out here.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893761]As I've heard no one is coming close to what the Dolphins are reportedly offering.[/quote]


Miami must really want Manning. Seeing as though he has a home there, that city may be were he lands.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;893762]Damn they must be offering 8-10 M a year or something[/quote]

Ha!

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[quote=SmootSmack;893768]Ha![/quote]

Probably double that, right?

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[quote=Mattyk;893769]Probably double that, right?[/quote]

Yup.

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I think we was trying to use PM as a bargaining chip with the Rams, I just hope it doesn't backfire.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;893753]The correlation is doctors are not always correct. And lots of them get sued for malpractice everyday. Having surgery must happen at times in life. But surgery slows people down. People need to have adequate time to heal from surgery. This is why Peyton Manning is not 100% and he won't be even by the start of next season. Now that he's had the surgery, he's more prone to having a career ending injury. Sure he can play. Sure he can compete. But what's going to happen when nasty James Harrison collides his helmet to Manning's like some crazy charging rhino? Manning is going to suffer for the hit. And seeing that he's not one hundred percent healthy, he could be paralyzed. And you're correct. Peyton Manning has never been prone to injury. But he is now. 60% of Manning is worse than any quarterback in the NFL. At 60%, he should be holding a clipboard on the sidelines. I'm just happy that he doesn't want to come to Washington. We didn't need him anyway.[/quote]


Sorry, but I'm going to take the word of a trained physician over yours. The proof will be in this upcoming season.

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Around $20 mil a year??? Well, at least know the 'skins can focus on trading up for RGIII.

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[quote=SmootSmack;893743]Not from what I hear. [B]Our offer has no guarantees, Miami's apparently does[/B].[/quote]
THAT may serve to bite The Fins FO in the Ass, shrewd Football minds that they are.......
I have nothing but respect for our guys for structuring what appears to be a cautious deal in a situation that would merit some, for the good of the organization.

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Man I hope the Skins and Rams have that handshake deal in place... If the Skins don't get RG3 i'm really going to cry grownup tears...

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Found this that says, Miami, Skins and Broncs are the three and confirms what SS said about guaranteed money.

[url=http://mike-freeman.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6264363/35140974]Has Manning already narrowed his choices? - CBSSports.com[/url]

One team official that contacted Manning's agent, Tom Condon, says he got the definite impression that Manning indeed has already decided where he wants to go, or, at least, the handful of teams truly in the mix. The official, who did not want to be identified, believes that Miami, Washington and Denver are the front-runners. One report states Manning has already informed the Redskins he doesn't want to play for them.

But the official conceded the front-runner will be the team that, in the end, offers the [U]most guaranteed money[/U].

The official believes that contrary to some reports, Manning is indeed open to playing in the NFC, even in the NFC East where his brother Eli, is obviously king of the division.

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Funny because I definitely expected Peyton to command $20+ million a year (obviously assuming he's health) and believe he'd be worth every penny of it. That's only half our remaining pool of salary cap room anyway.

Fascinating how short the typical memory is IMO. Peyton almost single-handedly made the Colts a perennial SB contender. Sure there were a few yrs where the defense was respectable while Sanders, Mathis and Freeney all stayed healthy. And sure he had adequate targets to catch the ball. But we all saw what happened when you removed Manning from the equation.

...I say big-time kudos to the team that signs him.

I think if we get RG3 alot folks will be happy; we have been down the old vet road time for a new approach.

If you are Miami you just bought a big bag of worry; in regards to PM health

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My problem is that I don't want 2 years of above average play and maybe see a playoff game or two. I feel that's all we'd get with PM, I mean he only got 1 ring in Indy and they had 10 years to build around him, why the hell would it be possible for him I come here and win a SB? Let's get a rookie and build a great team and dominate for years, not just for 2 and then say o shit we need a qb again, I know it's Pm, but be honest we were all stoked abou Mcnabb, George, Brunell, and they aren't manning but still I don't see him doing much better