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[quote=Mattyk;931390]Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[url=http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/url][/quote]

[url=http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-05-22/news/31816842_1_president-obama-fat-cats-celeb-studded]Obama raises $1 billion - New York Daily News[/url]

Obama, the first time a politician raised a billion dollars. Money in politics is insane. Forefathers rolling in their graves to see what this political system has become. disgusting to say the least.

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[quote=Mattyk;931390]Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[url=http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/url][/quote]

I am. You self proclaimed millionares are running for President and the two of yous combined can only scrap together a measly $500 mil? Pathetic.

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[quote=12thMan;931404]I agree. I think we're reaching a point where most people are starting to tune out these ads.[/quote]I'm sure NoVA is getting hit as bad as we are down here....it's awful, there isn't a commerical break without multiple political ads on most channels.

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[quote=12thMan;931395]Simple question. Ideology aside,was there anything factually incorrect in what she said? Yes or no[/quote]Yes, several factual inaccuracies.

Cutter: Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits. Lie.
Truth: Even factcheck agrees Obama's plan will reduce benefits for those on Medicare Advantage plans.

Cutter claims Romney's plan "takes away guaranteed benefits for seniors". Flat out lie.
Truth: Romney and Ryan have said several times, their plan doesn't affect anyone under 55.

Cutter: Obama's plan extends Medicare by 8 years.....straight BS. This is likely a wild distortion from the absurd claim that under Romney/Ryan Medicare is bankrupt by 2016 and under Obama's plan it doesn't bankrupt until 2024.
Truth: CBO and many others have stated the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt under Obama's plan, best case by 2024, worst case by 2020. I don't know where the hell Cutter's claim of Medicare being bankrupt by 2016 comes from.

That's a start. While I'm answering stuff....whatever happened to the Obama junk-bond loans to bankrupt green energy companies response? Don't kill yourself on it, there is no response other than "galactically corrupt".

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931538]I'm sure NoVA is getting hit as bad as we are down here....it's awful, there isn't a commerical break without multiple political ads on most channels.[/quote]

I have barely seen any ads down here in Georgia though I can imagine why. A democrat hasn't won this state since Jimmy Carter in 1980. Still I can't help but feel the Romney campaign hasn't really been on the offensive. For example I've seen much more on Twitter from Obama then Romney. Time to stop playing rope a dope and punch back.

It's also kind of funny how the election to me has kind of become a sporting event. I won't freak out if Obama is reelected as it won't be nearly as bad as people will have you believe but personally just believe Romney has more potential to get things turned around. In the end though it's pretty fun to watch.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931377]You are truly the smartest guy on the board :doh:[/quote]

That honor belongs to Smoot due to his inside sources. He really is the international man of mystery.





[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931377]Here's what I said: But of every tobacco lobby, you've got a corresponding "environmental" (read anti-capitalist) or union lobby.[/quote]

I interpret that sentence as........."For every business lobby out there, you have a corresponding environmental and labor union with it." Now, if that wasn't what you were implying, I humbly apologize and retract.



[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931377]Perhaps you should not just throw up specific industries that lobby but look at who controls the specific firms within that sector. What you'll find is that the balance is relatively even between contributions to D & R. What I didn't mention (but obviously should have) is PAC contributions and lobbying while different technically still have the same goal....to pay for influence. When you look at PAC numbers under Labor their contributions are significant and overwhelmingly Dem.

I couldn't even find Phillip Morris or what I recognize as a tobacco lobby listed in the Top Spenders. But I did find GE (big Obama supporter) listed #2 in spending, along with the AMA and AARP.

So anyway, as usual, it is you who don't get it.[/quote]

See, this is the part you don't get and why I said you don't get it. Where in my post did I mention anything about democrat or republican? Yet, you are up here chirping about lobbying spending big dough to Obama and the Dems. You are so caught up in your conservatives vs liberal war, you don't even see the avalanche coming down the slope and its coming from both parties. (or maybe you do see it and continue to support it??) Corporate America owns you. I posted the link you need to see and hear, and yet you haven't commented one bit on the status of campaign financing and big money lobbyists.

That said, Union and Environmental lobbying spending is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate spending, which is why you see Unions being snuffed out via legislation.

Also, you should probably view this in case you missed it. A interview with a lobbyist talking about how corrupt and F'd the system is. (applies to both sides of the fence)

[url=http://video.msnbc.msn.com/dylan-ratigan-show/39425988#39425988]Confessions of a lobbyist - Video on NBCNews.com[/url]

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Very relevant.


[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3368_409213592466782_1709948235_n.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=NC_Skins;931558]Very relevant.


[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3368_409213592466782_1709948235_n.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

That truly sums up my feelings

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931387]:laughing2


This video is complete crap and nothing more than scare tactics targeted at seniors.
.[/quote]



Really, I mean really,someone from the right who thinks Glenn Beck is God has the balls to say this about the Dems???Sammy before any republican says this ,....they need a good long look in a mirror!

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[quote=Mattyk;931390]Anyone else a little bothered by this?

[URL="http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/16/13319834-political-campaign-ad-spending-tops-500-million?lite"]Political campaign ad spending tops $500 million - First Read[/URL][/quote]


......yes, specially when you take into account that people aren't watching the ads.People have had enough,remotes are getting great workouts ,both sidea are bad and all this money could do for the greater good elsewhere.

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So ,Sammy is this a scare tactic?People need to watch the vidio!


[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ndkUaQ5HsBk]Weekly Address: Congress Should Back Plan to Hire Teachers - YouTube[/url]#!

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;931542]Yes, several factual inaccuracies.

Cutter: Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits. Lie.
Truth: Even factcheck agrees Obama's plan will reduce benefits for those on Medicare Advantage plans.

Cutter claims Romney's plan "takes away guaranteed benefits for seniors". Flat out lie.
Truth: Romney and Ryan have said several times, their plan doesn't affect anyone under 55.

Cutter: Obama's plan extends Medicare by 8 years.....straight BS. This is likely a wild distortion from the absurd claim that under Romney/Ryan Medicare is bankrupt by 2016 and under Obama's plan it doesn't bankrupt until 2024.
Truth: CBO and many others have stated the Medicare Trust Fund will be bankrupt under Obama's plan, best case by 2024, worst case by 2020. I don't know where the hell Cutter's claim of Medicare being bankrupt by 2016 comes from.

That's a start. While I'm answering stuff....whatever happened to the Obama junk-bond loans to bankrupt green energy companies response? Don't kill yourself on it, there is no response other than "galactically corrupt".[/quote]

I'll take CBOs word over Politifact everyday of the week. And if you believe that it's true that Obama cut Medicare benefits to seniors, I can't have a Medicare debate with you. We can debate about other things, but this conversation is a non-starter.

It's not the patients that have benefits cut, it's the providers. Here's a link from CBS: That myth has been debunked by every major news outlet for the past week. Center, left and right -- they've all clarified and made the point clear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57494197/romneys-$716b-medicare-cut-attack-is-dubious/

Another article in today's New York Times. Please read this.

[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opinion/sunday/truth-and-lies-about-medicare.html?pagewanted=all[/url]

It's also a fact, every independent study shows that Medicare's solvency has been increased by 8 years.

Again, I think because you want something to be true, then in your mind it's true. That's not how it works, Slingin'

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As far as the junk bond loans to the risky green energy companies. I'll say the same thing I said about Solyndra, the energy portfolio has wildly under performed and has been a disappointment. Cronyism at work? Sure, maybe. Can't say for sure. "Corrupt" or illegal, I highly doubt that. Not with a Republican Congress itching to hang any scandal around Obama's neck every chance they get. If there was any impropriety, I'm 100% confident Darrell Issa would be on TV 24/7 bringing attention to it and having officials testify before Congress. The fact that he hasn't would give me pause if I were accusing the Administration of doing shady backroom deals. But that's just me.

I think if you dig deeper into the failures behind these companies they just couldn't compete with green companies abroad, namely China, and we started to pouring money into a black hole.

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[quote=NC_Skins;931558]Very relevant.


[IMG]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/3368_409213592466782_1709948235_n.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

Seems like a perfect segway to post a song from the greatest band of all time.
[YT]ETxmCCsMoD0[/YT]

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[quote=12thMan;931922]I'll take CBOs word over Politifact everyday of the week. And if you believe that it's true that Obama cut Medicare benefits to seniors, I can't have a Medicare debate with you. We can debate about other things, but this conversation is a non-starter. [/quote]Please understand what I'm saying, the cuts to Medicare providers (not "greedy insurance companies", but docs & hospitals) will result in providers either closing or not taking Medicare patients. If that's not a reduction in services (benefits) to seniors, particularly in rural areas, I don't know what is.

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[quote=Giantone;931880]Really, I mean really,someone from the right who thinks Glenn Beck is God has the balls to say this about the Dems???Sammy before any republican says this ,....they need a good long look in a mirror![/quote]Never recall referencing Glenn Beck as God? I've got no problem looking in the mirror and refuting campaign garbage from the Obama camp. Perhaps you should have a bit more of an open mind and take a detailed look at the Romney/Ryan plan....but to each his own.

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[quote=Giantone;931915]So ,Sammy is this a scare tactic?People need to watch the vidio!


[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ndkUaQ5HsBk"]Weekly Address: Congress Should Back Plan to Hire Teachers - YouTube[/URL]#![/quote]Our publice education system is a mess. We spend a ridiculous amount per child, yet are in the middle world-wide in performance. More federal programs and expansion of the DoEd isn't the answer. Reduce federal programs/requirements/regulations, send grants to states, allow title 1 dollars to attch to student not school.

Ask yourself this question, why do private schools educate their students better than public schools with less cost-per-student.

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Maybe we just need more computers.........

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;932019]Our publice education system is a mess. We spend a ridiculous amount per child, yet are in the middle world-wide in performance. More federal programs and expansion of the DoEd isn't the answer. Reduce federal programs/requirements/regulations, send grants to states, allow title 1 dollars to attch to student not school.

Ask yourself this question, why do private schools educate their students better than public schools with less cost-per-student.[/quote]


They don't.Reduce Federal programs ??? Public schools are all ready doing without,arts,phys Ed,music...etc,now you want to take what is left ...what is that lunch,in some place's the only meal of the day for kids..grants to the state and not the school ,so the schools in the really nice areas....that can afford their public education ,take from the ones that can't?
Requirments/regulations ,...like what ?You say "We spend a ridiculous amount per child, like howmuch and why do you think it's rediculous?Just seems funny that this wasn't an issue under G.Bush but now it's Obama's fault?

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[quote=Giantone;932090]They don't.Reduce Federal programs ??? Public schools are all ready doing without,arts,phys Ed,music...etc,now you want to take what is left ...what is that lunch,in some place's the only meal of the day for kids..grants to the state and not the school ,so the schools in the really nice areas....that can afford their public education ,take from the ones that can't?
Requirments/regulations ,...like what ?You say "We spend a ridiculous amount per child, like howmuch and why do you think it's rediculous?Just seems funny that this wasn't an issue under G.Bush but now it's Obama's fault?[/quote]Never said this wasn't an issue under Bush. NCLB was a well-intentioned attempt that hasn't produced results, it really only forced statewide testing requirements and teaching towards testing standards.

Schools only receive about 12% or so of all funding from the fed. All I'm saying is rather than push regs down on states, just give them grants to administer education that works best in each state.

Just do some quick research on the amounts spent per child in the U.S. In many places it is far more than the amount to send a child to a private school.

You've got to stop believing all the garbage labels that Dems/libs throw at GOP/conservatives. We aren't the "evil rich" or "clinging to our guns/bibles". We want the best for everyone is the U.S. We just believe giving more money to the fed isn't the answer, and history shows we're right (look at Europe and our National Debt).

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[quote=12thMan;931926]As far as the junk bond loans to the risky green energy companies. I'll say the same thing I said about Solyndra, the energy portfolio has wildly under performed and has been a disappointment. Cronyism at work? Sure, maybe. Can't say for sure. "Corrupt" or illegal, I highly doubt that. Not with a Republican Congress itching to hang any scandal around Obama's neck every chance they get. If there was any impropriety, I'm 100% confident Darrell Issa would be on TV 24/7 bringing attention to it and having officials testify before Congress. The fact that he hasn't would give me pause if I were accusing the Administration of doing shady backroom deals. But that's just me.

I think if you dig deeper into the failures behind these companies they just couldn't compete with green companies abroad, namely China, and we started to pouring money into a black hole.[/quote]

What gets me about the Solyndra deal is that Obama was warned that they had problems but ignored his own staff and gave them the money.

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In other GOP news:

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/19/missouri-republican-claims-legitimate-rape-rarely-results-in-pregnancy/?hpt=hp_t1]Missouri Republican claims ‘legitimate rape’ rarely results in pregnancy – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

:doh:

You didn't get this sort of bat shit crazy back in the days, so what the hell happened?

[quote]"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said of rape-induced pregnancy in an interview with KTVI. A clip of the interview was posted online by the liberal super PAC American Bridge.

"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin continued. He did not provide an explanation for what constituted "legitimate rape."

He added: "But let's assume that maybe that didn't work or something. You know I think there should be some punishment, but the punishment ought to be on the rapist and not attacking the child."

In a statement Sunday, Akin wrote that he misspoke in the interview. He maintained his opposition to abortion for victims of rape.[/quote]


Here is another facepalm:

[quote]Akin - who sits on the House Science, Space and Technology Committee - has long held a hard-line stance on abortion.[/quote]

This dude is on a science committee talking stupid shit like this?...lol


Asshat is claiming to "misspoke" yet still is against abortions for rape victims? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN"T MISSPEAK YOU DUMMY!

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You dont "misspeak" with an opinion so thorough. This guy honestly believes this crap. Way off the deep end

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[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191021/EXCLUSIVE-Obama-cancelled-missions-kill-bin-Laden-THREE-TIMES-getting-cold-feet--Hillary-Clinton-stepped-claims-explosive-new-book.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]Leading from Behind[/URL]

[I]Barack Obama cancelled three operations to kill Osama bin Laden before finally going ahead with the mission at the insistence of Hillary Clinton, according to a new book.

The explosive allegation is contained in an expose by journalist Rich Miniter, who argues that the White House’s carefully-crafted narrative of Obama as a decisive leader who dispatched the al-Qaeda leader despite the doubts of advisers is a myth.[/I]

Please don't help re-elect this charlatan.

k thnx bai

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[quote=RedskinRat;932158][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191021/EXCLUSIVE-Obama-cancelled-missions-kill-bin-Laden-THREE-TIMES-getting-cold-feet--Hillary-Clinton-stepped-claims-explosive-new-book.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]Leading from Behind[/URL]

[I]Barack Obama cancelled three operations to kill Osama bin Laden before finally going ahead with the mission at the insistence of Hillary Clinton, according to a new book.

The explosive allegation is contained in an expose by journalist Rich Miniter, who argues that the White House’s carefully-crafted narrative of Obama as a decisive leader who dispatched the al-Qaeda leader despite the doubts of advisers is a myth.[/I]

Please don't help re-elect this charlatan.

k thnx bai[/quote]

Rights best attempt to tear down the crowning acheivement of Obama 4 years? jeez, didnt see that coming.

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[quote=RedskinRat;932158][URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2191021/EXCLUSIVE-Obama-cancelled-missions-kill-bin-Laden-THREE-TIMES-getting-cold-feet--Hillary-Clinton-stepped-claims-explosive-new-book.html?ito=feeds-newsxml"]Leading from Behind[/URL]

[I]Barack Obama cancelled three operations to kill Osama bin Laden before finally going ahead with the mission at the insistence of Hillary Clinton, according to a new book.

The explosive allegation is contained in an expose by journalist Rich Miniter, who argues that the White House’s carefully-crafted narrative of Obama as a decisive leader who dispatched the al-Qaeda leader despite the doubts of advisers is a myth.[/I]

Please don't help re-elect this charlatan.

k thnx bai[/quote]


I have a feeling not a single solitary sole will back up this man's claim. (probably because it's most likely not true) It's hard for me to believe the guy who's ordered 10 times the drone attacks that Bush ever did, assassinate Iranian scientists, to back down on killing Bin Laden. It doesn't add up or or even make sense. He's trying to sell his book to the far right crowd looking for another reason to hate Obama, and no better time to cash in than the 2012 Presidential election.

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sounds like the same lies as swift boat.

how can the gop be pro military, but attempt to disgrace a veteran? hypocracy at its finest.

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[quote=12thMan;931922]I'll take CBOs word over Politifact everyday of the week. And if you believe that it's true that Obama cut Medicare benefits to seniors, I can't have a Medicare debate with you. We can debate about other things, but this conversation is a non-starter.

It's not the patients that have benefits cut, it's the providers. Here's a link from CBS: That myth has been debunked by every major news outlet for the past week. Center, left and right -- they've all clarified and made the point clear.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57494197/romneys-$716b-medicare-cut-attack-is-dubious/

Another article in today's New York Times. Please read this.

[URL]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/opinion/sunday/truth-and-lies-about-medicare.html?pagewanted=all[/URL]

It's also a fact, every independent study shows that Medicare's solvency has been increased by 8 years.

Again, I think because you want something to be true, then in your mind it's true. That's not how it works, Slingin'[/quote]

So you think they can cut funding and payments to the providers and not have any affect on the patients.? You do know that doctors limit how many medicare patients they have because they don't make enough money off them to pay their bills. You reduce it even more and what do you think your going to get?

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[quote=Chico23231;932160]Rights best attempt to tear down the crowning acheivement of Obama 4 years? jeez, didnt see that coming.[/quote]Not a huge deal to issue a no-go on a high-value target attempt. Would be interesting to see what info and sources are really there. "Unnamed Joint Spec-Ops" sources ain't cuttin' it.

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[quote=NC_Skins;932132]In other GOP news:

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/19/missouri-republican-claims-legitimate-rape-rarely-results-in-pregnancy/?hpt=hp_t1]Missouri Republican claims ‘legitimate rape’ rarely results in pregnancy – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

:doh:

You didn't get this sort of bat shit crazy back in the days, so what the hell happened?




Here is another facepalm:



This dude is on a science committee talking stupid shit like this?...lol


Asshat is claiming to "misspoke" yet still is against abortions for rape victims? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN"T MISSPEAK YOU DUMMY![/quote]

I actually sort of applaud the guy. Not because I necessarily agree with his position but because if you're going to be against abortion you really have to be against all abortion. Oh and the death penalty too. This non-sense where people purport to be anti-abortion except in cases of rape and/or incest baffles me. I mean if your stance is that life is life at conception then the nature of the situation resulting in conception should be irrelevant in your mind. Right?

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[quote=FRPLG;932177]I actually sort of applaud the guy. Not because I necessarily agree with his position but because if you're going to be against abortion you really have to be against all abortion. Oh and the death penalty too. This non-sense where people purport to be anti-abortion except in cases of rape and/or incest baffles me. I mean if your stance is that life is life at conception then the nature of the situation resulting in conception should be irrelevant in your mind. Right?[/quote]

I think you missed the biggest part of all this.


[quote]"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, that's really rare," Akin said of rape-induced pregnancy in an interview with KTVI. A clip of the interview was posted online by the liberal super PAC American Bridge.


"If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down," Akin continued. He did not provide an explanation for what constituted "legitimate rape."[/quote]

Nothing to applaud this guy about one bit. Stupidity is stupidity.

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I would never applaud such an ignorant position. Flat out offensive

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[url]http://www.politicususa.com/virginia-republicans-call-armed-revolution-obama-wins-november.html[/url]

Boys, git yer guns and torches ready!

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[quote=NC_Skins;932132]In other GOP news:

[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/19/missouri-republican-claims-legitimate-rape-rarely-results-in-pregnancy/?hpt=hp_t1]Missouri Republican claims ‘legitimate rape’ rarely results in pregnancy – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

:doh:

You didn't get this sort of bat shit crazy back in the days, so what the hell happened?




Here is another facepalm:



This dude is on a science committee talking stupid shit like this?...lol


Asshat is claiming to "misspoke" yet still is against abortions for rape victims? OBVIOUSLY YOU DIDN"T MISSPEAK YOU DUMMY![/quote]


MO Senate race went from a GOP slam dunk to a hail merry pass. I can't wait for the polls.

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[quote=FRPLG;932177]I actually sort of applaud the guy. Not because I necessarily agree with his position but because if you're going to be against abortion you really have to be against all abortion. Oh and the death penalty too. This non-sense where people purport to be anti-abortion except in cases of rape and/or incest baffles me. I mean if your stance is that life is life at conception then the nature of the situation resulting in conception should be irrelevant in your mind. Right?[/quote]


There is nothing to applaud about this guy. It's one thing to be against abortion and back it with your beliefs but it's another to be a member of House Committee on Science, Space, and Technology and say dumb shit like:

[quote]If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.[/quote]

Maybe a scientific experiment on rape and pregnancy should be conducted using his daughter as a test subject.

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Flip: Kudos to Romney condemning the stupidity

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-calls-akin-rape-insulting-inexcusable-142622223.html]Romney calls Akin’s rape comment ‘insulting’ and ‘inexcusable’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/url]



Flop: Boo to Romney for being "delighted" to support abortion (even for rape) back in 2007.

[url=http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-in-2007-he-would-be-delighted-t]Mitt Romney Said In 2007 He Would Be "Delighted" To Sign A Bill Banning All Abortions Nationally[/url]


You can't have the Flip with Romney, without having the Flop to go along. He doesn't just stand for anything, he stands for nothing....lol

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Whatever guys.. don't bother trying to understand what he actually meant nor what I was trying to say. Ignorant position or not at least he doesn't roll with the standard logical inconsistency most pro-lifers do about rape/incest. Better put: his position may be wrong but at least it is consistently wrong. The lack of logical consistency within the articulated positions of our esteemed politicians is a distinct blight on our system. Across the political board.

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[quote=FRPLG;932199]Whatever guys.. don't bother trying to understand what he actually meant nor what I was trying to say.[/quote]

Again, I think you missed the biggest part of what he said, and it had nothing to do with his stance on abortion. Maybe it is you that should understand what he said and exactly why it was mind boggling. Again, it has nothing to do with his stance on abortion.(even though that's wrong as well)


Not sure I buy into your "consistency" statement though. Nothing honorable or admirable about consistently being ignorant. We get what you are saying though, we just don't agree with what you are saying.

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Still don't understand applauding anything about what he said.

So while he's an idiot, at least he's consistent with his idiocy?

Ok

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Perhaps applaud is the wrong word. I suppose the subtle sarcasm also doesn't come through.