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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001702]So if Griffins knee is not ready until October/November you would start Pat White?
C'mon man......[/quote]

Concur! How could anyone watch Kirk Cousins perform last year and decide that he should be traded because he plays a different game than RGIII? You go with best player available at the QB position and adjust the offense accordingly. Kirk Cousins is a top 32 qb in this league and would be a starter on any number of teams. We need to keep him for a minimum of this year and most likely at least 2 more seasons till we can draft another qb in the later rounds and develop into a backup.

Pat White would have to have an AMAZING camp to have a chance to make the team, and there is no way his spot comes at the expense of KC's. Either Grossman or another positional player would be let go.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001791]I seriously don't understand why, after a full season on this board, and with several excellent football discussions of the specifics about the Shanahan stretch run offense tied to the zone read offense thru use of the pistol, some people still call it an attempt to make Griffin into a "running qb". Griffin is a qb. He runs. Those two facts together do not equal the dreaded running qb syndrome.

There are 11 guys on offense and 11 guys on defense. If you force the defense to play against the whole field, you have a higher percentage of winning plays. It really isn't complicated and it isn't some plot to ruin the health of an outstanding young talent.[/quote]

It's...just...those...pesky...facts! He ran more than any rookie QB in NFL history, and has the injuries to prove it :(

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Are we ignoring the fact he was injured while scrambling and not on designed runs?

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[quote=Mattyk;1001819]Are we ignoring the fact he was injured while scrambling and not on designed runs?[/quote]

Which time?
Which game?

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[quote=The Goat;1001814]It's...just...those...pesky...facts! He ran more than any rookie QB in NFL history, and has the injuries to prove it :([/quote]

Griffin's injuries come from Griffin trying to get an extra oomph on critical downs. I can't fault him for that, but it wasn't due to the design of the offense. Right before Ngata hit him (on a scramble) he chose to cut inside. Why, because the game was on the line, and he saw an opportunity to make a play. Love his guts, hate his choice. Had he stepped out of bounds, we probably wouldn't be having this repeated discussion, but he chose to cut inside. Every designed run took him outside to the edge, ie get what you can and get out.

His injuries prove he didn't understand how fast and hard the rest of the NFL is. After his concussion, you never saw him do that same type again all season. He got it, he understood. He will do the same with the Ngata injury. But it will be hard for him.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001825]Which time?
Which game?[/quote]

both the Atlanta game(concussion) and Baltimore game(knee) were not designed runs

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001825]Which time?
Which game?[/quote]

Both times

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RG also took brutal, brutal hits in the pocket. More often on drop backs than any other QB per some sources. What's the difference? None, absolutely none.

QBs with shit lines get killed. Just like running QBs get killed. Picking out plays here and there to somehow disregard those two basic realities...are like staring at a single tree in the middle of the forest.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1001830]both the Atlanta game(concussion) and Baltimore game(knee) were not designed runs[/quote]

Those were both his fault.
He should have slid way before that.
Rookie mistake + trying to be a hero.

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[quote=The Goat;1001832]RG also took brutal, brutal hits in the pocket. More often on drop backs than any other QB per some sources. What's the difference? None, absolutely none.

QBs with shit lines get killed. Just like running QBs get killed. Picking out plays here and there to somehow disregard those two basic realities...are like staring at a single tree in the middle of the forest.[/quote]

There is a difference.
How many QBs get knee tears and concussions in the pocket.

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It depends. My point is that a well executed zone-read/stretch run operated from the pistol gives the best protection and utilizes Griffins skills the most. It protects him from pocket collapsing crunch hits, and, if he uses good sideline awareness, protects him from harsh hits that a true running qb ala Vick can take. Certainly our line isn't going to be a line that would protect a non-mobile qb, but that's not the type of offense we are building anyways. Our qb will always have to have some level of mobility, even if it's not Griffinesque.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001831]Both times[/quote]

I wouldn't call those [I][B]scrambles [/B][/I]necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001834]There is a difference.
How many QBs get knee tears and concussions in the pocket.[/quote]

Tom Brady tore his knee. Carson Palmer tore his arm and his knee, Big Ben hurt his shoulder, Peyton manning needed 4 neck surgeries, thiesman broke his leg in the pocket... People get injured in the pocket. Elway, young and Rodgers scramble a lot and never really got hurt (young did toward the end though). I do think RG3 will be a great pocket passer in due time. Saw it at Baylor with an average college Oline and I do believe that RG3 will develop into a faster Aaron Rodgers

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001836]I wouldn't call those [I][B]scrambles [/B][/I]necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.[/quote]

What is your definition of a scramble then?

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[quote=donofriose;1001839]What is your definition of a scramble then?[/quote]

Leaving the pocket to avoid a sack.

Granted that a QB would be an idiot to not take advantage of the vacant yards in front of him when that happens, but Bob Griff has a bad case of end zone fever.
I think the Vikings game spoiled him.

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I have to go back and watch the snaps Cousins took. I remember he had a clutch performance relieving am injured RG3 but, he did not show the same magic against SEA. Let's keep his limited play in perspective. And yes, Pat White hasn't showed or flashed potential to be a NFL QB.

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[quote=The Goat;1001814]It's...just...those...pesky...facts! He ran more than any rookie QB in NFL history, and has the injuries to prove it :([/quote]

Most yards not attempts, so that doesn't work.

[QUOTE=RGIII;1001844]I have to go back and watch the snaps Cousins took. I remember he had a clutch performance relieving am injured RG3 but, he did not show the same magic against SEA. Let's keep his limited play in perspective. And yes, Pat White hasn't showed or flashed potential to be a NFL QB.[/QUOTE]

He lit up.Cleveland

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26-of-37 for 329 yards and two TDs.

Not too shabby.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001836]I wouldn't call those [I][B]scrambles [/B][/I]necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.[/quote]

Are you being serious or sarcastic? I truly hope sarcastic because if not then it clearly means you know about as much about football as my ironing board.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001852]26-of-37 for 329 yards and two TDs.

Not too shabby.[/quote]

RG3 is to Cousins as Aaron Rodgers is to Matt Flynn. No?

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I think we all know he needs to protect himself. Are people just repeating it in te media, we as fans, and so on because we don't think he knows that.

Here is the deal, III knows it. He knew it after the ATL game. Hell maybe he learned after the Ngata hit that he needs to learn "how" to get down, not just that he needs to get down. The kid is super smart and football like many sports your performance is based off of instinct. Now after two knee surgeries all the pain, rehab, and the rest the kid (and I emphasize kid) will learn "how" to protect himself on a NFL football field.

As far as Cousins performance down by ten with less then 6 minutes to go in a playoff game, and a defense that was dominating our line at that point he had no shot.

[QUOTE=Alvin Walton;1001852]26-of-37 for 329 yards and two TDs.

Not too shabby.[/QUOTE]

And that's with him starting off terrible

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[quote=Paintrain;1001854]Are you being serious or sarcastic? I truly hope sarcastic because if not then it clearly means you know about as much about football as my ironing board.[/quote]

Totally serious.
And I'll say the exact same about you.

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As of today:"Antoine Winfield is still weighing his free agent options, but he isn't expected to make a decision until at least next week."

[url=http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2013/4/3/4179192/antoine-winfield-rumors-no-decision-vikings-redskins]Antoine Winfield rumors: Cornerback still deciding between Redskins, Vikings - SBNation.com[/url]

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[quote=RGIII;1001844]I have to go back and watch the snaps Cousins took. I remember he had a clutch performance relieving am injured RG3 but, he did not show the same magic against SEA. Let's keep his limited play in perspective. And yes, Pat White hasn't showed or flashed potential to be a NFL QB.[/quote]

Cousins struggled against ATL, too.

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I am willing to give the guy a pass on both games. They were both firsts. Cousins was great against the Ravens in his second go round. Started off shaking against the Browns and found his rhythm at the end of the first quarter and kept it going till the final whistle.

Then you have the pressure cooker that was the playoff game, once again another first for the rookie. The line at that point was getting beat almost every play, and when he went into the game their defense was clicking and extemely aggressive working with a ten point lead against an offense they had beaten for 2 1/2 quarters.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001836]I wouldn't call those [I][B]scrambles [/B][/I]necessarily.
It was a designed run all right.
Designed by RGII at the last second.
He needs to learn to slide and protect himself.
Hes not Christian Okoye.[/quote]

Huh? There's no in between, it's either a designed run or a scramble.

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[quote=Mattyk;1001914]Huh? There's no in between, it's either a designed run or a scramble.[/quote]

A scramble is moving out of the pocket to avoid a sack, most likely on a called passing play.
The difference is instead of being happy with a small yardage gain or just getting back to the line of scrimmage our hero is going to look for a path to the goal line instead. Thats where he gets himself in trouble.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1001917]A scramble is moving out of the pocket to avoid a sack, most likely on a called passing play.
The difference is instead of being happy with a small yardage gain or just getting back to the line of scrimmage our hero is going to look for a path to the goal line instead. Thats where he gets himself in trouble.[/quote]

Well at least we can finally agree what a scramble is. When he was hurt against Atlanta and Baltimore both times it came on scrambles. I completely agree he needs to be smarter when running. That was the point I was going to lead up to, that's it's not always the plays putting him in danger. He needs to do a better job at protecting himself when running.

The tough part is he's so dangerous when running, how do you find a middle ground when it comes to trying to make plays and being smart?

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[quote=Mattyk;1001918]Well at least we can finally agree what a scramble is. When he was hurt against Atlanta and Baltimore both times it came on scrambles. I completely agree he needs to be smarter when running. That was the point I was going to lead up to, that's it's not always the plays putting him in danger. He needs to do a better job at protecting himself when running.

[B]The tough part is he's so dangerous when running, how do you find a middle ground when it comes to trying to make plays and being smart?[/B][/quote]

Every time he steps on the field he is at risk. It is like having a exotic car must of the time you drive it safe but some times you got take it for a risky spin.

You can't ever tell him not to take risk in the scramble/running department because that is what makes him dangerous to opposing defenses.

God I can't wait for him to be 100% and ready to tear this league up again.

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Yep, its mostly on him to make more mature decisions when he leaves the pocket.
As far as Kyle calling a QB run, I would not be in favor of that unless a VERY important game was on the line.
Bob has birdie legs, need to keep those out of harms way.

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Tyson Clabo cut by ATL!!..... Guess who needs a RT!?!?

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[quote=tc2deuce;1001925]Tyson Clabo cut by ATL!!..... Guess who needs a RT!?!?[/quote]

I'm still praying for Eric Winston

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[quote=tc2deuce;1001925]Tyson Clabo cut by ATL!!..... Guess who needs a RT!?!?[/quote]

Guess who can't afford Clabo!





FU Mara.

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We still can't free up money?

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I could see a move for Clabo, not for Winston

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Clabo is getting up there in age, I would rather see the Skins draft a tackle and develop him.

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question for the board, when tannard jackson is not suspended anymore, is he on our roster or is he a free agent? and how does the salary work with him?

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[quote=bigant;1001942]question for the board, when tannard jackson is not suspended anymore, is he on our roster or is he a free agent? and how does the salary work with him?[/quote]

As of right now he doesn't count against the cap. If/when he gets reinstated he's still under contract with us for the season.