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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050062]On ESPN980 today, Schefter confirmed that RGII is campaigning to have Snyder hire Briles. Schefter also said RGII is on the sidelines during alot of games. Why the frack Shanahan allows that is beyond me.

Interestingly, Schefter said that Shanahan wants to sit down with Snyder after the season and express his desire to stay, but only if he has has the power "to start the best players." Shanahan's contract already gives him that power, and Schefter said, to his knowledge, Snyder has never tried to meddle or tell Shanahan who to play. Schefter strongly insinuated that, if he were to stay, Shanahan would have a QB competition. If RGIII won, he'd be the starter. If Cousins won, he'd be the starter. Schefter also indicated that, had Cousins not suffered an injury in the preseason, Shanahan would have started him week 1, since he was more prepared than RGIII, who had missed the offseason. Although RGIII was medically cleared to play, Shanahan had doubts that he was "football ready."

Now we all know that Schefter gets his info directly from Shanahan, and Shanahan wouldnt tell Schefter these things unless he wanted Schefter to report them. Seems pretty obvious to me that Shanahan believes in Cousins more than he believes in RGIII. Ultimately, it seems, whether Shanahan stays or goes will depend on whether or not he beleives more in Shanahan as a coach with Cousins as his QB or an entirely new offensive staff with RGIII at QB.

[B]Personally, I think a Shanahan/Cousins combo gives us a much better chance to win than a RGIII/Briles/Gruden/whoever combo[/B].[/quote]


Assuming that is true? We should shop RGIII. I wonder what his trade value is.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050064]The second year player is a diva franchise quarterback. If he chooses to be disruptive, its not like you can just cut him like you could any old scrub. I'm sorry, but if even half the reports i've read about RGIII's diva attitude are true, i want nothing to do with him. His "potential" isn't worth the distraction when you've got a very talented NFL QB in Cousins on the roster.[/quote]

NEWSFLASH: Cousins is not that good. He looked like Matt Cassell. Only mediocre. He reminds me of Rex. Throws too many picks against ATL one of the worse defenses.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050064]The second year player is a diva franchise quarterback. If he chooses to be disruptive, its not like you can just cut him like you could any old scrub. I'm sorry, but if even half the reports i've read about RGIII's diva attitude are true, i want nothing to do with him. His "potential" isn't worth the distraction when you've got a very talented NFL QB in Cousins on the roster.[/quote]

You don't like RG3 that's all. Shanahan has done nothing without Robert on the field. he has been here 4 years two without Robert. Remember Beck? that is Cousins. What's the difference. Shanny is dreaming. No one wants Cousins. no needing in arguing with you, you are on some extraness.

[QUOTE=Gary84Clark;1050066]NEWSFLASH: Cousins is not that good. He looked like Matt Cassell. Only mediocre. He reminds me of Rex. Throws too many picks against ATL one of the worse defenses.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't say he's rex but is he a franchise qb? I don't think so

This is a big game for kirk , it's the first time he's starting against a team that's in playoff contention, even though Dallas sucks but still

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I like Schefter as much as the next guy but I feel like I need to take what he says with a grain of salt considering he's one of Shanny's microphones.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1050070]I wouldn't say he's rex but is he a franchise qb? I don't think so[/quote]

IMO KC is Rex-like. He runs hot and then cold. He is prone to throwing picks. Rex does it more with dumb decisions while Cousins does it more with inaccuracy but the results are not dissimilar.

We have seen a total of probably 10 quarters of play from KC in his young career. Im not sure that is enough of a sample size to label him yet,....

[QUOTE=Lotus;1050078]IMO KC is Rex-like. He runs hot and then cold. He is prone to throwing picks. Rex does it more with dumb decisions while Cousins does it more with inaccuracy but the results are not dissimilar.[/QUOTE]

Yeah but let's just wait a few more games , maybe these next 2 games he'll show us that he can be less to prone

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[quote=punch it in;1050080]We have seen a total of probably 10 quarters of play from KC in his young career. Im not sure that is enough of a sample size to label him yet,....[/quote]

He was the same in college. Not saying he can't improve but he's always been prone to throwing INTs.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1050083]He was the same in college. Not saying he can't improve but he's always been prone to throwing INTs.[/QUOTE]

Well so was I and look at me now. ;)

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Cousins has to play well against Dallas for me to believe is an option for next year.

The defense he is playing is one of the worst defenses ever. Matt Flynn just threw for four touchdowns, McCown threw for four the week before. I do not see any reason why his performance cannot be close to theirs, unless he is worst than two backups. He doesn't have to throw 4 touchdowns but I expect him to look great. If he looks bad against Dallas I personally do not think he will be the answer. I know it is bad to judge a QB by one game... but against this defense, I believe it is fair.

[QUOTE=donofriose;1050086]Cousins has to play well against Dallas for me to believe is an option for next year.

The defense he is playing is one of the worst defenses ever. Matt Flynn just threw for four touchdowns, McCown threw for four the week before. I do not see any reason why his performance cannot be close to theirs, unless he is worst than two backups. He doesn't have to throw 4 touchdowns but I expect him to look great. If he looks bad against Dallas I personally do not think he will be the answer. I know it is bad to judge a QB by one game... but against this defense, I believe it is fair.[/QUOTE]

They have better o-lines and wr's than we do.
People were saying that you could put Peyton Manning on this current team and he would be horrible all season, so we have to take those same things into account when Cousins starts.
Im not saying that Id rather have KC than Griff going forward, just that any qb on this current team is up against it.

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[quote=punch it in;1050087]They have better o-lines and wr's than we do.
People were saying that you could put Peyton Manning on this current team and he would be horrible all season, so we have to take those same things into account when Cousins starts.
Im not saying that Id rather have KC than Griff going forward, just that any qb on this current team is up against it.[/quote]

Redskins Oline played well against Atlanta outside of the first couple of drives. Dallas has a terrible defensive line just like Atlanta. Also Green Bay lost a couple of their best receivers and the ones that are playing have been injured all year.

I'm not expecting Cousins to throw four touchdown passes, but if he looks shaky or bad at all... I think the talk about trading RG3 because Cousins will be better should stop.

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If Kirk Cousins does not beat the Cowboys he is not a franchise QB. Period!!!

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For the people concerned about Cousins ints, that's part of having an aggressive offense and that's what we saw last week. RG has had some down right terrible Ints this year as well. It's expected with two young guys. Who would you rather have? Drew Brees or Alex Smith? Brees has had a few seasons where he's thrown 20 and 18 ints. So what? Give me that guy over an Alex Smith anyday. We clearly had a real pass offense for the first time all year....w/out Hank and Reed. For only two starts under his belt, and a guy who hadn't started all year, that was pretty impressive stuff on Sun.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050095]For the people concerned about Cousins ints, that's part of having an aggressive offense and that's what we saw last week. RG has had some down right terrible Ints this year as well. It's expected with two young guys. Who would you rather have? Drew Brees or Alex Smith? Brees has had a few seasons where he's thrown 20 and 18 ints. So what? Give me that guy over an Alex Smith anyday. We clearly had a real pass offense for the first time all year....w/out Hank and Reed. For only two starts under his belt, and I guy who hadn't started all year, that was pretty impressive stuff on Sun.[/quote]

He looked like RG3 did against Minnesota. Not better, not worst.

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[quote=donofriose;1050097]He looked like RG3 did against Minnesota. Not better, not worst.[/quote]

It's not like Griff has sucked all year. He's had a few good games, but he's had several bad ones. It's obvious that if MS stays, Cousins isn't going anywhere and he's going to let this play out. That's the way it should be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1049919]Could not be more wrong here. Brady and Manning were running pro offenses in their first full years under center and passing the ball, as was Andrew Luck. There were no "training wheels" as you put it. Wilson, Griff, Locker, EJ Manuel, Ponder?? I think those guys needed to start out with conservative type offenses.[/quote]The offenses Manning and Brady are running today were not considered NFL offenses when they broke into the league.

Luck is certainly a historical anomaly in terms of what responsibilities he received right from the first game (maybe the only guy in the last 20 years to start Game 1 with the full playbook), but he also hasn't exactly taken the league by storm in terms of performance.

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If RG2 was actually campaigning for Art Briles and helped get him to come here, he would have done more good for the franchise than Shanahan did in 4 years.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050101]It's not like Griff has sucked all year. He's had a few good games, but he's had several bad ones. It's obvious that if MS stays, Cousins isn't going anywhere and he's going to let this play out. That's the way it should be.[/quote]

I don't mind cousins staying, and if he plays well he should be given a chance to compete for next year's starting job.

I do think that Shanahan should go though. but that is a discussion in another thread.

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[quote=mooby;1050077]I like Schefter as much as the next guy but I feel like I need to take what he says with a grain of salt considering he's one of Shanny's microphones.[/quote]

The fact that he's a Shanahan microphone is exactly why you SHOULDNT take anything he says with a grain of salt. He's preaching what's really going on, Atleast from shanahans point of view.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050107]The fact that he's a Shanahan microphone is exactly why you SHOULDNT take anything he says with a grain of salt. He's preaching what's really going on, Atleast from shanahans point of view.[/quote]

So he is saying what Shanahan is telling him... I'm confused why people shouldn't question that.

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[quote=donofriose;1050108]So he is saying what Shanahan is telling him... I'm confused why people shouldn't question that.[/quote]

It tells us the truth from shanahans point of view, that's why.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050109]It tells us the truth from shanahans point of view, that's why.[/quote]

That isn't truth, that is Shanahan telling someone what to say to the public. That is barely even a point of view.

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1050095]For the people concerned about Cousins ints, that's part of having an aggressive offense and that's what we saw last week. RG has had some down right terrible Ints this year as well. It's expected with two young guys. Who would you rather have? Drew Brees or Alex Smith? Brees has had a few seasons where he's thrown 20 and 18 ints. So what? Give me that guy over an Alex Smith anyday. We clearly had a real pass offense for the first time all year....w/out Hank and Reed. For only two starts under his belt, and a guy who hadn't started all year, that was pretty impressive stuff on Sun.[/QUOTE]


Agree!!


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[quote=skinsfan69;1050101]It's not like Griff has sucked all year. He's had a few good games, but he's had several bad ones. It's obvious that if MS stays, Cousins isn't going anywhere and he's going to let this play out. That's the way it should be.[/quote]

It's a bad game when your QB has two INTs and a fumble lost. And let's not forget that we were playing a crappy Atlanta team.

I think Cousins played well, but at the end of the day neither QB is going to be successful playing behind that line.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1050103]If RG2 was actually campaigning for Art Briles and helped get him to come here, he would have done more good for the franchise than Shanahan did in 4 years.[/quote]

That hire would be wrong on so many levels. Snyder isn't that stupid.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1050109]It tells us the truth from shanahans point of view, that's why.[/quote]

If it's the truth why does he deny it when asked about it directly?

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050117]That hire would be wrong on so many levels. Snyder isn't that stupid.[/quote]I think it's bad for someone like Cousins getting a fair shake, but it's going to make every other offensive player on the roster better.

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[quote=GTripp0012;1050119]I think it's bad for someone like Cousins getting a fair shake, but [B]it's going to make every other offensive player on the roster better.[/quote][/B]

How? By spacing the field as wide as possible? Sure it works in a conference where no one plays defense and the hash marks are wide.

Plus what does that hire say to the rest of your team? I'm catering to one guy. Even Snyder wouldn't do that.

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I think Briles would be a bad idea too. Too much baggage would come with that hire.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1050124][/B]

How? By spacing the field as wide as possible? Sure it works in a conference where no one plays defense and the hash marks are wide.

Plus what does that hire say to the rest of your team? I'm catering to one guy. Even Snyder wouldn't do that.[/quote]Given that Fletcher advocated for Shanahan's extension today, I'm going to say that players aren't as sensitive as we (myself included) make them out to be.

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[quote=Mattyk;1050128]I think Briles would be a bad idea too. Too much baggage would come with that hire.[/quote]If they hired Art Briles and didn't win, the push-back would be vicious.

Kind of like the Chip Kelly hire in Philly.

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The only thing clear in all of these leaks is that someone, either Shanahan's camp or Robert's camp, is lying. Lying badly. Considering what we KNOW versus what we are trying to be led to BELIEVE, my money's on Shanahan and his mouthpieces are the ones who're lying; it feels like a naked attempt to make it appear as if all the team's woes are the fault of Robert the "diva QB" and his dad and Mike couldn't win because of interference.

Friggin' gossip columns posing as sports columns. One blogger writes something. Someone else picks it up and now "it's been reported"; the fuel to the fire is the utter lack of any critical thinking whatsoever from too many of those who read this nonsense.

And with all due affection, screw what Fletcher has to say about this. He's done, he's retiring and he's been cooked all season long. I'm sick of seeing the back of his jersey. He won't be here next year no matter what way this shakes out, so IDGAF what he has to say.

I ain't looking at reports about Mike. I'm looking at results BY Mike. I'm looking at actions taken BY mike. I'm looking at words said BY mike.

I'm not looking at reports about Robert. I'm looking at actions taken BY Robert. I'm looking at words said BY Robert. I'm looking at what happens on the field.

That's where the only truths we are privy to come from, and the only truths we can KNOW for sure right now are that Mike's actions and words have the team and the fanbase fighting themselves, and he's had full control and final say on the roster and the result is 24-38.

And people seem to be ok with this and are willing to buy into the trending narrative of shifting all the blame for this terrible season on the second year rookie QB and his dad, the QB who set NFL records, broke his body for this team, worked his ass off to be back for the team after a season-ending injury that many thought impossible, almost always takes the high road, and even as he was benched asked the fans not to give up on the 'Skins because he still has faith and believes in the team.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Robert is a "diva QB".

Because reports say.

Wow. Just wow.

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^ pretty much nails it

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[quote=GTripp0012;1050130]If they hired Art Briles and didn't win, the push-back would be vicious.

Kind of like the Chip Kelly hire in Philly.[/quote]

Right, the initial perception of RG "getting his way" would be tough to overcome unless the wins pile up quick. Do they really want all that extra heat?

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[quote=ashvirtually;1050132]The only thing clear in all of these leaks is that someone, either Shanahan's camp or Robert's camp, is lying. Lying badly. Considering what we KNOW versus what we are trying to be led to BELIEVE, my money's on Shanahan and his mouthpieces are the ones who're lying; it feels like a naked attempt to make it appear as if all the team's woes are the fault of Robert the "diva QB" and his dad and Mike couldn't win because of interference.

Friggin' gossip columns posing as sports columns. One blogger writes something. Someone else picks it up and now "it's been reported"; the fuel to the fire is the utter lack of any critical thinking whatsoever from too many of those who read this nonsense.

And with all due affection, screw what Fletcher has to say about this. He's done, he's retiring and he's been cooked all season long. I'm sick of seeing the back of his jersey. He won't be here next year no matter what way this shakes out, so IDGAF what he has to say.

I ain't looking at reports about Mike. I'm looking at results BY Mike. I'm looking at actions taken BY mike. I'm looking at words said BY mike.

I'm not looking at reports about Robert. I'm looking at actions taken BY Robert. I'm looking at words said BY Robert. I'm looking at what happens on the field.

That's where the only truths we are privy to come from, and the only truths we can KNOW for sure right now are that Mike's actions and words have the team and the fanbase fighting themselves, and he's had full control and final say on the roster and the result is 24-38.

And people seem to be ok with this and are willing to buy into the trending narrative of shifting all the blame for this terrible season on the second year rookie QB and his dad, the QB who set NFL records, broke his body for this team, worked his ass off to be back for the team after a season-ending injury that many thought impossible, almost always takes the high road, and even as he was benched asked the fans not to give up on the 'Skins because he still has faith and believes in the team.

Jesus tap-dancing Christ.

Robert is a "diva QB".

Because reports say.

Wow. Just wow.[/quote]

thank you. some of this shit on the board is sad. Cant believe people buying into it. Folks the circus only goes if you feed into it.

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1050107]The fact that he's a Shanahan microphone is exactly why you SHOULDNT take anything he says with a grain of salt. He's preaching what's really going on, Atleast from shanahans point of view.[/QUOTE]

That last sentence is priceless.

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For what it's worth, Wilson was on the kornheiser show and thinks cousins should be the starter because he's a legit nfl starter (Wilbon watched him a lot in college) and griffins been playing horrible. He said cousins is way too good to be holding a clip board and said griffin hasn't done anything yet to prove he's anything. He says the redskins put themselves in this position by drafting two starters and one of them has to go.

I agree one of them had to go. It's time. I just don't see eehy everyone thinks it's cousins that has to go. What rg3 has done to make so many of you think he has earned the right to be the unquestioned starter for eternity is beyond me.