[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1065383]Some years you're going to have a 10-6 not make it, and the rare occasion an 11-5 team not make it. It's not a perfect system. But more times than not, we're going to see a team like last years Steelers get in. No desire to watch that. Just waters it down too much for me.[/QUOTE]

But you are wrong based on the past 13 years (which I showed you 5 of) you are most likely to have a 9-7 or 10 - 6 each year and some years you will even get an 11-5. Often those teams will be more competitive than the worst of the division champs.

And the worst case scenario by your standard is an 8-8 team plays an away game against the 2 seed and the number 2 seed fans get to enjoy a romp victory at home. I would enjoy the skins being the 2nd seed and destroying an 8-8 team if that were to happen.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065384]But you are wrong based on the past 13 years (which I showed you 5 of) you are most likely to have a 9-7 or 10 - 6 each year and some years you will even get an 11-5. Often those teams will be more competitive than the worst of the division champs.[/quote]

You showed 7 teams that were 9-7 or 8-8 and 3 that were 10-6. 9-7 doesn't mean you're a good team that should be in the playoffs. You're just above 500. Yes there's teams like the Giants that make a run but that year they were 1 of 6 teams in their conference. That's the difference for me. Feel bad for the 13 Cards and 08 Pats but that happens sometimes.

A lot of fans (and the NFL) think more football is better, and I get that. I just don't like it, as I've said, it waters down an already watered down product.

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How is the playoff field as it is now "watered down"?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065386]And the worst case scenario by your standard is an 8-8 team plays an away game against the 2 seed and the number 2 seed fans get to enjoy a romp victory at home. I would enjoy the skins being the 2nd seed and destroying an 8-8 team if that were to happen.[/quote]

But the number #2 seed should not be playing. They've earned that bye/weeks rest which is a big advantage. With 7 teams a #2 would be playing after week 16 to add in another game, which means more money.

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[quote=Mattyk;1065425]How is the playoff field as it is now "watered down"?[/quote]

I didn't say that. I said the league in general is a bit watered down. Meaning, the quality of the teams and the play is not what it use to be.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065423]You showed 7 teams that were 9-7 or 8-8 and 3 that were 10-6. 9-7 doesn't mean you're a good team that should be in the playoffs. You're just above 500. Yes there's teams like the Giants that make a run but that year they were 1 of 6 teams in their conference. That's the difference for me. Feel bad for the 13 Cards and 08 Pats but that happens sometimes.

A lot of fans (and the NFL) think more football is better, and I get that. I just don't like it, as I've said, it waters down an already watered down product.[/quote]

Glass half full/half empty argument. I showed that 3 teams were .500 and 7 teams were above .500. You want to focus on the 3 that were .500 and discount the 4 that were 1 game above it, however I also showed that no team ever was under .500, and that there would be an occasional team that was over 10-6.

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I'll take gladly take 2 more playoff teams vs 2 more regular season games for everyone. The league is looking for more games/more revenue, this is obviously the better way to go. I hope we can all agree on that at least.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065431]But the number #2 seed should not be playing. They've earned that bye/weeks rest which is a big advantage. With 7 teams a #2 would be playing after week 16 to add in another game, which means more money.[/quote]

Couldn't you just as easily argue that only the #1 seed deserves the bye week rest? Why does # 2 deserve it but not #3, or #4?

Of course it means more money, that's clearly a big motivation in adding it. But just because it adds more money doesn't in and of itself make it a bad thing.

It should work to increase competition, meaning the advantage of being #1 over #2 increases, so it's less likely to see a team rest it's starters early. Likewise, some years that #7 spot will be heavily contested by teams whose fans might have had nothing to root for except playing spoilers.

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[quote=Mattyk;1065436]I'll take gladly take 2 more playoff teams vs 2 more regular season games for everyone. The league is looking for more games/more revenue, this is obviously the better way to go. I hope we can all agree on that at least.[/quote]

If I had to pick, w/out question, I would take the playoff games. I'm just confused why the league needs more revenue.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065438]If I had to pick, w/out question, I would take the playoff games. I'm just confused why the league needs more revenue.[/quote]

The league needs more revenue because, face it, it's tough to live on only $9 billion.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065438]If I had to pick, w/out question, I would take the playoff games. I'm just confused why the league needs more revenue.[/quote]

Well, for one thing, Goodell has said he wants a revenue goal of $25 billion in the next 13 years.

But that's beside the point. More importantly really is the NFL is a major major business. And, major or not, what business says "we don't need more revenue"?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1065442]Well, for one thing, Goodell has said he wants a revenue goal of $25 billion in the next 13 years.

But that's beside the point. More importantly really is the NFL is a major major business. And, major or not, [B]what business says "we don't need more revenue"?[/B][/quote]

A business that's closing up shop.

So what are people's thoughts on the no-dunking the ball over the goal post rule?

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[quote=skinsguy;1065444]A business that's closing up shop.

So what are people's thoughts on the no-dunking the ball over the goal post rule?[/quote]

Call it the Jimmy Graham rule I guess. If he didn't break that one last year I doubt the rule comes about.

Plus with the talk of possibly extending the goal posts and making them longer, they'll be even more top heavy and more of a possible hazard if they get tipped over. The last thing anyone needs is for the posts to come down in the crowd and injure people.

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[quote=skinsguy;1065444]A business that's closing up shop.

So what are people's thoughts on the no-dunking the ball over the goal post rule?[/quote]

Hate it. Hate nearly all the "No Fun Rules"

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065437[B]]Couldn't you just as easily argue that only the #1 seed deserves the bye week rest? Why does # 2 deserve it but not #3, or #4? [/B]

Of course it means more money, that's clearly a big motivation in adding it. But just because it adds more money doesn't in and of itself make it a bad thing.

It should work to increase competition, meaning the advantage of being #1 over #2 increases, so it's less likely to see a team rest it's starters early. Likewise, some years that #7 spot will be heavily contested by teams whose fans might have had nothing to root for except playing spoilers.[/quote]

You could argue it, sure. I just don't see it like you do. A two seed I think deserves that first round bye for what they did in the regular season. 3-6 should have to play.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065449]You could argue it, sure. I just don't see it like you do. A two seed I think deserves that first round bye for what they did in the regular season. 3-6 should have to play.[/quote]

But again, what criteria (other than that's the way it is now) makes the 2nd seed deserve it, but not the 3rd seed? I get that the number 1 seed overall deserves a benefit, but why does coming in 2nd deserve it.

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Here is the recap on the proposed rules and the ones that were passed:

[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337081/article/new-rules-roundup-fieldgoal-posts-to-be-extended]New rules roundup: Field-goal posts to be extended - NFL.com[/url]

Looks like the f*cking Pats get another rule passed. Ugh.

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[quote=Mattyk;1065445]Call it the Jimmy Graham rule I guess. If he didn't break that one last year I doubt the rule comes about.

Plus with the talk of possibly extending the goal posts and making them longer, they'll be even more top heavy and more of a possible hazard if they get tipped over. The last thing anyone needs is for the posts to come down in the crowd and injure people.[/quote]

Yeah, I kind of see your point on that!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065448]Hate it. Hate nearly all the "No Fun Rules"[/quote]

I think if they are going to add another "No Fun Rule" to the league on TD celebrations, then they need to reverse an existing one. I would love to see a return of the "Fun Bunch" high five!

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[url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-ray-rice-indicted-on-aggravated-assault-charge-by-atlantic-county-prosecutors-20140327,0,7968806.story]Ray Rice indicted on aggravated assault charge in New Jersey - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Finally this scumbag has been indicted.

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[quote=Chico23231;1065582][URL="http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-ray-rice-indicted-on-aggravated-assault-charge-by-atlantic-county-prosecutors-20140327,0,7968806.story"]Ray Rice indicted on aggravated assault charge in New Jersey - baltimoresun.com[/URL]

Finally this scumbag has been indicted.[/quote]

Don't worry, Ray Lewis will hook him up with his old lawyer and Rice won't even see probation.

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[quote=Chico23231;1065582][url=http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/blog/bal-ray-rice-indicted-on-aggravated-assault-charge-by-atlantic-county-prosecutors-20140327,0,7968806.story]Ray Rice indicted on aggravated assault charge in New Jersey - baltimoresun.com[/url]

Finally this scumbag has been indicted.[/quote]

Indicted for what? Dragging his fall down drunk, drama queen gf back to the room? The video I saw never showed him hitting her. If he did then it's a different story. She didn't even press any charges. I guess she doesn't want to lose her meal ticket.

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Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 1m
Despite shopping him and finding interest, Eagles have made decision to cut WR DeSean Jackson. Outright. Jackson is now a free agent.
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wow

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I guess he and Fred should hang out?

Andrew Livingston ‏@AndrewLiv now
@HTTR24_7 RT@Al3xCole: Breaking: DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles [url=http://nj-ne.ws/v7L8q]DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles | NJ.com[/url]

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065663]I guess he and Fred should hang out?

Andrew Livingston ‏@AndrewLiv now
@HTTR24_7 RT@Al3xCole: Breaking: DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles [url=http://nj-ne.ws/v7L8q]DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles | NJ.com[/url][/quote]

Just gonna say it, but I see a double standard here in the Eagles organization. Resign and overpay Riley Cooper who did what he did last offseason, but Desean done zero and they blame possible gang activites? Thats kinda garbage

[QUOTE=skinsfan69;1065597]Indicted for what? Dragging his fall down drunk, drama queen gf back to the room? The video I saw never showed him hitting her. If he did then it's a different story. She didn't even press any charges. I guess she doesn't want to lose her meal ticket.[/QUOTE]


The video does not show half of what occured. From what i read he knocked her out. I doubt very much he is in trouble because his wife had one too many. If that was the case i would be on death row!

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1065666]Just gonna say it, but I see a double standard here in the Eagles organization. Resign and overpay Riley Cooper who did what he did last offseason, but Desean done zero and they blame possible gang activites? Thats kinda garbage[/QUOTE]


Riley Cooper isnt making 11 mill this year.
Edit: if there is a double standard it is economical and not racial.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065663]I guess he and Fred should hang out?

Andrew Livingston ‏@AndrewLiv now
@HTTR24_7 RT@Al3xCole: Breaking: DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles [url=http://nj-ne.ws/v7L8q]DeSean Jackson's gang connections troubling to Eagles | NJ.com[/url][/quote]


Dude is a dipshit. Gangs? Really? There is probably more to it than we know as well.

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[quote=punch it in;1065679]The video does not show half of what occured. From what i read he knocked her out. I doubt very much he is in trouble because his wife had one too many. If that was the case i would be on death row![/quote]

well if there is evidence of him doing that, then yes, go to jail.

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[quote=Chico23231;1065666]Just gonna say it, but I see a double standard here in the Eagles organization. Resign and overpay Riley Cooper who did what he did last offseason, but Desean done zero and they blame possible gang activites? Thats kinda garbage[/quote]

There's a big difference between yelling a racial slur when drunk, and being involved with a gang that's been connected to two murders since 2010. Jackson says he doesn't belong to a gang, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt. But I can understand why the Eagles' FO cut ties with him.

And like punch said, money was a big part of it, too.

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I bet you DJ isn't part of a gang but is known to associate with guys who ARE in a gang.

Still, not a good look.

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[quote=punch it in;1065680]Riley Cooper isnt making 11 mill this year.
Edit: if there is a double standard it is economical and not racial.[/quote]

Riley Cooper acceptable DJAX not acceptable. hmmmm guess Eagles front office don't consider what Cooper did as being that bad.

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Let's take Jackson point of view for a second, and say that the gang stuff is a non-issue. Is this the first case of Chip Kelly mishandling a star player? I know Kelly gets lots of love in the media, and so far it seems deservedly so, but one issue with going from College to NFL as a head coach is that the players are now grown men, and may not cater to the head coach's beliefs as easily as college athletes do. No clue if there is correct in any way or just some "confirmational bias" on my part.

Releasing a star player that was already accounted for cap wise, and is a big part of your style offense is not the typical NFL action.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1065697]Let's take Jackson point of view for a second, and say that the gang stuff is a non-issue. Is this the first case of Chip Kelly mishandling a star player? I know Kelly gets lots of love in the media, and so far it seems deservedly so, but one issue with going from College to NFL as a head coach is that the players are now grown men, and may not cater to the head coach's beliefs as easily as college athletes do. No clue if there is correct in any way or just some "confirmational bias" on my part.

Releasing a star player that was already accounted for cap wise, and is a big part of your style offense is not the typical NFL action.[/quote]

Everyone has definitely drank the Kelly Kool Aid. I think you're right, Kelly is now being exposed to issues he didn't have to deal with in college.

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From a pure football perspective, a player like Cooper fits more into what Kelly is looking for than DeSean. Size matters

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[url=http://sonofwashington.com/will-robert-griffin-iii-improve-jay-grudens-offense/]Will Robert Griffin III Improve In Gruden's Offense? - SonofWashingtonSon of Washington[/url]

How long ago did he write this article B. Campbell didn't sign with us health issues.

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It's not everyday that a player like Jackson is outright released. If I were Bruce Allen, I'm making a phone call.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1065723][B]It's not everyday that a player like Jackson is outright released.[/B] If I were Bruce Allen, I'm making a phone call.[/quote]

True, but that can be a double-edged sword. You gotta wonder why the Pigeons let him go at all and just walk away at that.

BTW That gang ties story IMO is just spin. I think that DJax was such a di&k for so long, Kelly couldn't take him any more. If so, why would DJax be different wherever he goes?

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1065721][URL="http://sonofwashington.com/will-robert-griffin-iii-improve-jay-grudens-offense/"]Will Robert Griffin III Improve In Gruden's Offense? - SonofWashingtonSon of Washington[/URL]

How long ago did he write this article B. Campbell didn't sign with us health issues.[/quote]

People here that truly know football know his stats were very misleading. That's why when his stats from last year are mentioned around here, I just SMH.

RG3 knows what he has to do. I have no doubt that he'll do everything in his power to progress as a passer. We already know he's basically living over at Redskin Park. I think we have the right guy to coach him up. I think RG3 rebounds. But if he doesn't, all hell will break loose.