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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1314142]So did I read right that, Biden called for regime change in Russia??[/quote]

Yes ,do you disagree?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1314142]So did I read right that, Biden called for regime change in Russia??[/QUOTE]


Hey pal! Glad to see ya back.
I think his statement is probably something the entire world agrees with. If there was some secret plan to remove Putin I don’t think he was tipping his hat here. Probably just stating the obvious.

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[quote=punch it in;1314154]Hey pal! Glad to see ya back.
I think his statement is probably something the entire world agrees with. If there was some secret plan to remove Putin I don’t think he was tipping his hat here. Probably just stating the obvious.[/quote]
I took his statement more as a suggestion to the Russian people, putin is making all of you look bad.

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Putin will welcome the Biden comment and will use this to fuel the propaganda machine to his own people: The west wants to topple me and the entire country of Russia, The west has declared us enemy no 1 and this has nothing to do with Ukraine, etc.

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[quote=Chico23231;1314158]Putin will welcome the Biden comment and will use this to fuel the propaganda machine to his own people: The west wants to topple me and the entire country of Russia, The west has declared us enemy no 1 and this has nothing to do with Ukraine, etc.[/quote]

With the way Putin controls the media in Russia I don’t feel that matters he can attribute whatever he wants to Biden or west at large. Personally I think the bigger gaffs were saying US troops will understand once they are there and we will respond in kind when referencing Russia’s use of chemical weapons

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[quote=Chico23231;1314158]Putin will welcome the Biden comment and will use this to fuel the propaganda machine to his own people: The west wants to topple me and the entire country of Russia, The west has declared us enemy no 1 and this has nothing to do with Ukraine, etc.[/quote]

chico, wake up ! He is doing that anyway!

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Edit - Omaha, Omaha!!

We all want Putin gone, that doesn't mean you say it out loud right now.

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Better than suggesting Putin be assassinated like Lindsey Graham said.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314164]Edit - Omaha, Omaha!!

We all want Putin gone, that doesn't mean you say it out loud right now.[/quote]

It's been documented there are war crimes being committed and he is responsible . You can call him a war criminal but people think saying he can't stay in power is wrong!?

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[quote=Giantone;1314196]It's been documented there are war crimes being committed and he is responsible . You can call him a war criminal but people think saying he can't stay in power is wrong!?[/quote]

The statement is true, the timing of the statement was wrong. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314200]The statement is true, the timing of the statement was wrong. They aren't mutually exclusive.[/quote]

Well, we've had a string of shitty Presidents at the worst time for having them. I hope we can break this cycle, but 2024 isn't looking good for our choices.

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3 April update

"Key Takeaways

Ukraine has won the Battle of Kyiv, and Russian forces are completing their withdrawals from both the east and the west banks of the Dnipro in disorder.
Russian forces retreating from around Kyiv will likely need considerable time before they can return to combat.
Incidents of refusals of orders to engage in combat operations among Russian units continue and may lead to the redeployment of two BTGs that had arrived near Donbas within the last few days to their home stations in South Ossetia.
The continued existence of an independent Ukrainian state with its capital in Kyiv is no longer in question at this time, although much fighting remains and the war could still turn Russia’s way."

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates[/url]

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[quote=nonniey;1314537]3 April update

"Key Takeaways

Ukraine has won the Battle of Kyiv, and Russian forces are completing their withdrawals from both the east and the west banks of the Dnipro in disorder.
Russian forces retreating from around Kyiv will likely need considerable time before they can return to combat.
Incidents of refusals of orders to engage in combat operations among Russian units continue and may lead to the redeployment of two BTGs that had arrived near Donbas within the last few days to their home stations in South Ossetia.
The continued existence of an independent Ukrainian state with its capital in Kyiv is no longer in question at this time, although much fighting remains and the war could still turn Russia’s way."

[url]https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/ukraine-conflict-updates[/url][/quote]
I would never have guessed on Feb 24th that Russian forces would have been so thoroughly defeated around Kiev, or that they would have shown such unrestrained brutality either.

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Ukraine defense of the capital is a big eyebrow raiser…now can they push the Russians off the Eastern and Southern fronts

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1314584]I would never have guessed on Feb 24th that Russian forces would have been so thoroughly defeated around Kiev, or that they would have shown such unrestrained brutality either.[/quote]

I would have thought people specially in Europe would know and remember the horror there once was. I keep hearing stories that these are not Russian soldiers but paid for mercenaries or riot trained Police. Regardless of who they are only one person is in charge and that's putin.

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The Mariupol City Council on Wednesday accused Russian forces of relying on a mobile crematorium to cover up their alleged war crimes in the southeast port city of Ukraine.

Mariupol, which has been partially occupied for weeks, has been the target of one of the most brutal Russian offensives in Ukraine since the invasion began in February.

City officials claimed that Russia is barring humanitarian access to Mariupol because of the number of deceased Ukrainians that remain on the streets.

The city council further claimed that Russian forces are removing potential witnesses to "filtration camps" – a claim echoed Tuesday by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, who said she has seen "credible reports" supporting such accusations.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-crematoria-mariupol-new-auschwitz-mayor[/url]

World needs verification ASAP

Ive gone from Fuck Putin to Fuck Russia.

Russians driving through germany being pro war. Lots of social media has russians supporting the war.

Fuck Russia

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[quote=SunnySide;1314641]The Mariupol City Council on Wednesday accused Russian forces of relying on a mobile crematorium to cover up their alleged war crimes in the southeast port city of Ukraine.

Mariupol, which has been partially occupied for weeks, has been the target of one of the most brutal Russian offensives in Ukraine since the invasion began in February.

City officials claimed that Russia is barring humanitarian access to Mariupol because of the number of deceased Ukrainians that remain on the streets.

The city council further claimed that Russian forces are removing potential witnesses to "filtration camps" – a claim echoed Tuesday by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield, who said she has seen "credible reports" supporting such accusations.

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/world/russian-crematoria-mariupol-new-auschwitz-mayor[/url]

World needs verification ASAP

[B]Ive gone from Fuck Putin to Fuck Russia.[/B]

Russians driving through germany being pro war. Lots of social media has russians supporting the war.

Fuck Russia[/quote]

I'm here right now too. Does that mean every Russian is OK with it? No. But there are a lot that are and support it. Really hard to feel bad for Russians, when their country is butchering people and are close to starting another world war.

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Trying to explain the Russian-Ukraine to 7 and 9 year olds…we got as far as the bad Russian ruler who started the war name is Vladimir Putin. They couldn’t over the fact his name is Vlad Pootin. We came to the conclusion A name like Vlad Pooting has already loss..

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314800]I'm here right now too. Does that mean every Russian is OK with it? No. But there are a lot that are and support it. Really hard to feel bad for Russians, when their country is butchering people and are close to starting another world war.[/quote]

Good exercise in studying propaganda and how effective it is.

The modern world knows the line about denazification (of a country with a Jewish president who personally had family die in the holocaust) is absolutely a lie - even if we agree there is probably some racists in Ukraine they most likely make up an overwhelmingly small portion of the population (i.e. less than 5% - making up that number off my limited knowledge of Ukraine) and surely they pose no major threat to any large group of the population.

And another question is "how many Russians are dissatisfied with Putin" and not "do they exist at all" - because we know they do exist based off Alexander Navalny's popularity. Sure we can guesstimate how many Russians hate Putin but aren't willing to speak up due to fear of authority. But how do we get from there to "why are so many Russians supporting the war in Ukraine", and "is it an overwhelming amount of the population that actually supports the war?" And if that is the question - propaganda is a key part of the answer. Because if the majority of media in Russia is state sponsored and that is mostly what people consume - then the state sponsored media is playing a key role in convincing the people that the war in Ukraine is justified.

Amazing to me to think about, because growing up the history we learned in schools was about how effective Hitler was in controlling the narrative and convincing Germans that Jewish people were an actual threat - and my mostly public school education actually had me convinced that we had come so far as Americans to learn the lessons of history that were learned by blood - i.e. we could recognize propaganda and disarm it before it ever did us harm, and yet here we are in 2022 and the internet has played such a key role in convincing so many people the world over to question everything that comes from positions of authority. Just thinking about it is mind-boggling. We've come so far - and yet we've hardly gone anywhere at all.

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[url]https://www.wsj.com/articles/boris-johnson-tours-kiev-european-union-photo-weapons-antitank-armored-vehicles-11649626707[/url]

Boris Johnson Tours Kiev

The British Prime Minister makes a surprise and welcome visit after Ukraine wins the battle for the capital against Russia.


Very Strong Move by Boris Johnson

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314800]I'm here right now too. Does that mean every Russian is OK with it? No. But there are a lot that are and support it. Really hard to feel bad for Russians, when their country is butchering people and are close to starting another world war.[/quote]

You're correct to a point SD. They're ok with it becuase it's what they have been taught and the ones who haven't been indoctrinated have been threaten to say they go with it, or die.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314800]I'm here right now too. Does that mean every Russian is OK with it? No. But there are a lot that are and support it. Really hard to feel bad for Russians, when their country is butchering people and are close to starting another world war.[/quote]

I thought this might help.



[url]https://news.yahoo.com/spurred-putin-russians-turn-one-144438408.html[/url]




Marina Dubrova, an English teacher on the Russian island of Sakhalin in the Pacific, showed an uplifting YouTube video to her eighth-grade class last month in which children, in Russian and Ukrainian, sing about a “world without war.”

After she played it, a group of girls stayed behind during recess and quizzed her on her views.

“Ukraine is a separate country, a separate one,” Dubrova, 57, told them.

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“No longer,” one of the girls shot back.

A few days later, the police came to her school in the port town of Korsakov. In court, she heard a recording of that conversation, apparently made by one of the students. The judge handed down a $400 fine for “publicly discrediting” Russia’s Armed Forces. The school fired her, she said, for “amoral behavior.”

“It’s as though they’ve all plunged into some kind of madness,” Dubrova said in a phone interview, reflecting on the pro-war mood around her.

There are reports of students turning in teachers and people telling on their neighbors and even the diners at the next table. In a mall in western Moscow, it was the “no to war” text displayed in a computer repair store and reported by a passerby that got the store’s owner, Marat Grachev, detained by the police. In St. Petersburg, a local news outlet documented the furor over suspected pro-Western sympathies at the public library; it erupted after a library official mistook the image of a Soviet scholar on a poster for that of Mark Twain.

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[quote=Giantone;1314810]I thought this might help.

[url]https://news.yahoo.com/spurred-putin-russians-turn-one-144438408.html[/url][/quote]

Yeah, I saw that article. People ratting out their own neighbors, friends, teachers, etc. Very sad.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314812]Yeah, I saw that article. People ratting out their own neighbors, friends, teachers, etc. Very sad.[/quote]

Think about it , a World Leader turning his own people against each other with lies and threats!

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1314812]Yeah, I saw that article. People ratting out their own neighbors, friends, teachers, etc. Very sad.[/quote]

Reminds me of what happened here initially after the Patriot Act was passed.

I know teaching is different every where but this Russian teacher definitely put herself into a situation that a teacher in the United States should know better than to do, at least based on the article, and definitely at her experience level.

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Marine Le Pen. Another far right psycho who is in debt to Putin. Sound familiar? She cannot win.

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[quote=punch it in;1314842]Marine Le Pen. Another far right psycho who is in debt to Putin. Sound familiar? She cannot win.[/quote]

French Trumpers??!!

Fuck yes! Pepe Le Pew gotta grabb’m again!

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Some social media reporting of a Chemical Attack in Mariapul. Certainly unconfirmed, guess we'll know in a day or three.

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[quote=punch it in;1314842]Marine Le Pen. Another far right psycho who is in debt to Putin. Sound familiar? She cannot win.[/quote]

I never would have thought trump could win .I won't ever bet against the ignorance of any voter.

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Russia's Black Sea Flagship destroyed??

Looks like the Ukrainian Navy scored a major victory today. They claimed they hit the Russian Black Sea flagship Moskva (a Slava class missile cruiser) with two of their Neptune anti-ship missiles. The Russians are kinda confirming it but claiming it was an accident:

[url]https://news.usni.org/[/url]

Russian Navy Confirms Severe Damage to Black Sea Cruiser Moskva, Crew Abandoned Ship

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Now that Russia has reset and pushed on in the eastern front working towards outflanking the eastern Ukrainian defenses…this is gonna get bad quick for the Ukraines.

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[quote=Chico23231;1315132]Now that Russia has reset and pushed on in the eastern front working towards outflanking the eastern Ukrainian defenses…this is gonna get bad quick for the Ukraines.[/quote]

Putin ain't gonna stop until he's dead. Somehow, some way, the world has to figure out how to kill that little bitch.

And if he gets Ukraine, he isn't stopping there. Belarus is basically an agent state at this point too.

If nuclear weapons weren't a thing, Russia would have got merked. Putin is just an evil motherfucker that is using the threat of a possible mass death situation to get his way.

He is a whiny bitch that will destroy his own country, along with the world, so he can stroke his ego in his bunker.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1315134]Putin ain't gonna stop until he's dead. Somehow, some way, the world has to figure out how to kill that little bitch.

And if he gets Ukraine, he isn't stopping there. Belarus is basically an agent state at this point too.

If nuclear weapons weren't a thing, Russia would have got merked. Putin is just an evil motherfucker that is using the threat of a possible mass death situation to get his way.

He is a whiny bitch that will destroy his own country, along with the world, so he can stroke his ego in his bunker.[/quote]

I agree with you 110% but he has backers here in the US and one is a former President who is trying to get an election thrown out. What does that say to you?

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[quote=Chico23231;1315132]Now that Russia has reset and pushed on in the eastern front working towards outflanking the eastern Ukrainian defenses…this is gonna get bad quick for the Ukraines.[/quote]

? Like it's not bad now? FFS!

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Its' pretty bad that Putin's strategy seems to be destroy entire cities, nothing off-limits, kill whoever stays and eventually we'll win some territory (though obviously the entire Ukraine is off the table).

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/04/19/former-msnbc-malcolm-nance-ukraine-orig-ht.cnn-business[/url]

'I am done talking': Former MSNBC analyst now fighting in Ukraine

Malcolm Nance, a former national security analyst for MSNBC, went on "The ReidOut" to explain why he joined the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine.


So Malcolm Nance is a complete jackass with some horrible but more-so laughable opinions (watching him get owned and embarrassed by Ben Shapiro on Maher was the apex cringe) on lib tv.

But I got a new level of epic respect for him if he is volunteering in a Ukraine. Big balls my man, and give them hell!

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[quote=Chico23231;1315222][url]https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2022/04/19/former-msnbc-malcolm-nance-ukraine-orig-ht.cnn-business[/url]


Malcolm Nance,.......(watching him get owned and embarrassed by Ben Shapiro on Maher was the apex cringe) on lib tv......"

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Wow - he's that guy? He's 61 years old and appears to be average in shape for a man that age. His skill set/experience (Naval signals intelligence) doesn't really lend itself to ground combat. I hope he doesn't become a bigger hinderance than a help. I wish the best of luck to him.

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I see the Ruble has bounced back

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[quote=Chico23231;1315250]I see the Ruble has bounced back[/quote]

Bounce back to what ? No one is accepting it. Keep pushing your pro russia BS.