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[url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10990605/sean-lee-dallas-cowboys-injured-otas]Sean Lee of Dallas Cowboys injured during OTAs - ESPN Dallas[/url]

Torn left ACL. Tough break for Lee and Cowboy fans. I hate seeing this type of injury no matter the circumstances. Hope he bounces back strong.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073055][url=http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10990605/sean-lee-dallas-cowboys-injured-otas]Sean Lee of Dallas Cowboys injured during OTAs - ESPN Dallas[/url]

Torn left ACL. Tough break for Lee and Cowboy fans. I hate seeing this type of injury no matter the circumstances. Hope he bounces back strong.[/quote]

Def tough break, hope he returns but not strong lol. Nobody likes to see guys go out with injuries, but I gotta think this is a lil mismanagement by the boys. Severely injury prone player hittin first day of ots. Straight poor, asleep at the wheel IMO. Doesn't make sense to me, he's not just a guy, he's the most important player on that defense.

Sucks for Dallas o well they'll just blame romo for it I'm sure

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I feel bad for S.Lee, he's a pretty good player but at this point unlikely to have a prolonged career.

I don't feel bad for the Cowboys, however. At this point, they're coming off a historic worst defensive season and they've lost Ware, and Hatcher and replaced them with an injured Melton. Lee is now not coming back, and they traded their 3rd rounder to us and really only have their 2nd round pick to help replace the defensive losses.

As long as we can slow down their offense, we have a chance when we play them..

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[QUOTE=ethat001;1073058]I feel bad for S.Lee, he's a pretty good player but at this point unlikely to have a prolonged career.

I don't feel bad for the Cowboys, however. At this point, they're coming off a historic worst defensive season and they've lost Ware, and Hatcher and replaced them with an injured Melton. Lee is now not coming back, and they traded their 3rd rounder to us and really only have their 2nd round pick to help replace the defensive losses.

[B]As long as we can slow down their offense, we have a chance when we play them..[[/B]/QUOTE]

Seeing as how the skins D is almost just as bad I doubt they can stop the cowboys.

At least both teams will have no presence in the middle of their defenses unless something changes drastically.

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My heart bleeds profusely for Sean Lee.

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Richard Sherman on banning the N-Word on the field of play:

“It’s an atrocious idea,” said Seattle cornerback Richard Sherman. “It’s almost racist, to me. It’s weird they’re targeting one specific word. Why wouldn’t all curse words be banned then?”

Sherman said the N-word is commonly used among NFL players.

“It’s in the locker room and on the field at all times,” Sherman said. “I hear it almost every series out there on the field.”


This is suppose to be the new champion for changing the Redskins Team name?

He doesn't even want to give up his right to use a word that has been used for hatred since the founding of this country...

But yeah F%$# the Redskins....

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Feel bad for Lee. It looked like the rookie o-linemen was going a little too hard in his first practice. Dallas is going to really struggle on defense. Looking back, that Brandon Carr signing has not worked out at all for them.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10544881/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-thinks-nfl-proposed-n-word-ban-atrocious-idea]Richard Sherman of Seattle Seahawks thinks NFL-proposed N-word ban is 'atrocious idea' - ESPN[/url]

What a f*cking idiot.

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the sarah palin of the nfl now .....

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[quote=over the mountain;1073090]the sarah palin of the nfl now .....[/quote]

lmfao!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073084][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10544881/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-thinks-nfl-proposed-n-word-ban-atrocious-idea]Richard Sherman of Seattle Seahawks thinks NFL-proposed N-word ban is 'atrocious idea' - ESPN[/url]

What a f*cking idiot.[/quote]

Still one of the best players in the league. Def was the best corner last year. Hopefully Revis dethrones him. But honestly, who wouldn't want Sherman? Would Easily be the best player on the skins if they had him. Only man that comes close punched him the face.

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[quote=donofriose;1073096]Still one of the best players in the league. Def was the best corner last year. Hopefully Revis dethrones him. But honestly, who wouldn't want Sherman? Would Easily be the best player on the skins if they had him. Only man that comes close punched him the face.[/quote]

It helps that he plays with an elite pass rush and a pair of elite safeties (Chancellor & Thomas).

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073101]It helps that he plays with an elite pass rush and a pair of elite safeties (Chancellor & Thomas).[/quote]

Doesn't take away from being the least targeted player in the NFL... while leading the league in interceptions. He is either the best or one of the best players on the best team in the NFL. He also may go down as the best player on the best secondary ever... but obviously they have a long way to go for that to be true.

Either way he is the best corner in the NFL. Almost every statistical category proves that to be true.

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[quote=donofriose;1073096]Still one of the best players in the league. Def was the best corner last year. Hopefully Revis dethrones him. But honestly, who wouldn't want Sherman? Would Easily be the best player on the skins if they had him. Only man that comes close punched him the face.[/quote]

I wasn't questioning his talent. Just that he is taking a two sides of the coin approach when it comes to the Redskins name. You can't make a statement like he did about the Redskins name, after you said taking the N* word out of the field of play is racist. It just doesn't gell together very well, and if the Onieda nation wants that as their poster player for removing the Redskins name then they will have made a mistake.

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Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer has passed away:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354047/article/malcolm-glazer-buccaneers-owner-dies-at-age-85]Malcolm Glazer, Buccaneers owner, dies at age 85 - NFL.com[/url]

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073084][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10544881/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-thinks-nfl-proposed-n-word-ban-atrocious-idea]Richard Sherman of Seattle Seahawks thinks NFL-proposed N-word ban is 'atrocious idea' - ESPN[/url]

What a f*cking idiot.[/quote]

So Sherman speaks out against the Redskins team name but THIS is okay? Football has gone too far with it's ethics policies. Players are paid to PLAY THE GAME. If they don't like the trash talk they're hearing from the other side of the ball they can quit and leave the league at any time.

I understand there are ethics involved and obviously if a White player were to use the N word in an obvious discriminatory nature he should be penalized more than 15 yards BUT, that's rarely the case when these guys have grown up using that word as an endearing term their whole life.

The NFL needs to get back to what they're there for, FOOTBALL.

No lawyers writing up new rules and penalties to drive their bank accounts up.

No letters from congress asking to change your teams name out of the blue.

No censorship on the field when we live in a "free country."

LET THEM PLAY THE GAME DAMNIT!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073101]It helps that he plays with an elite pass rush and a pair of elite safeties (Chancellor & Thomas).[/quote]

i understand that these guys are competitive and may be sour grapes ... but i cant discredit what current nfl players are saying (he only plays cover on 1 side, doesnt match up with no. 1s all game, has beast players around him, etc ...

my take on sherman is i hate him bc i hate what the seahawks have done to us in the playoffs

i hate him bc he was acting like an ass after our game when trent punched him

i hate him bc he used the NFC champ game to act "shocking" and try and brand his name for marketing at the expense of being true to his fellow nfl players

i hate him bc it seems like he runs his mouth but doesnt want to back it up when confronted (softball game and trent) .. and yeah i understand that its a game and he is a professional and he shouldnt be getting into fist fights but .... if you run your mouth and that person takes offense to it, you should oblige that person with a mutual affray.

we arent talking about tennis players here.

It would cost a boatload of money to change the name. A boatload.

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[quote=punch it in;1073140]It would cost a boatload of money to change the name. A boatload.[/quote]

Yeah but they'd probably make 2 boatloads if they changed the name.

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[quote=Ruhskins;1073134]Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer has passed away:
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000354047/article/malcolm-glazer-buccaneers-owner-dies-at-age-85]Malcolm Glazer, Buccaneers owner, dies at age 85 - NFL.com[/url][/quote]

Very sorry to hear that, though now I find myself shamelessly curious to see the reaction from Man U hooligans.

[quote=Ruhskins;1073084][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/10544881/richard-sherman-seattle-seahawks-thinks-nfl-proposed-n-word-ban-atrocious-idea]Richard Sherman of Seattle Seahawks thinks NFL-proposed N-word ban is 'atrocious idea' - ESPN[/url]

What a f*cking idiot.[/quote]

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With that said he does seem to do a hell of a job [URL="http://youtu.be/jVAYt99j9js"]trolling our franchise[/URL].

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Not sure how changing a major brand would result in some sort of financial windfall. A lot of alienated fans wouldn't exactly be lining up to spend their hard earned $$ out of protest.

Think about it with another team. If the Steelers were to change their name and logo does anyone think that would be a good thing for them? A hardcore passionate fan base isn't going to forgive and forget overnight.

[QUOTE=Mattyk;1073156]Not sure how changing a major brand would result in some sort of financial windfall. A lot of alienated fans wouldn't exactly be lining up to spend their hard earned $$ out of protest.



Think about it with another team. If the Steelers were to change their name and logo does anyone think that would be a good thing for them? A hardcore passionate fan base isn't going to forgive and forget overnight.[/QUOTE]


Yup. Imagine the friggin Yankees changing? Not only would the facilitation of the change cost money, but like Matty says it isnt even guaranteed that the new brand would be a success.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073156]Not sure how changing a major brand would result in some sort of financial windfall. A lot of alienated fans wouldn't exactly be lining up to spend their hard earned $$ out of protest.

Think about it with another team. If the Steelers were to change their name and logo does anyone think that would be a good thing for them? A hardcore passionate fan base isn't going to forgive and forget overnight.[/quote]

You certainly have a point there. I would imagine that the level of backlash would depend on the perceived level of effort from ownership in protecting the name.

IE if Snyder and company simply rolled over and just went...
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Then I would imagine the backlash would be pretty substantial. Another factor would be how fans would view the aesthetic changes to the name, logo, uniforms, etc should a name change come to pass.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073156]Not sure how changing a major brand would result in some sort of financial windfall. A lot of alienated fans wouldn't exactly be lining up to spend their hard earned $$ out of protest.

Think about it with another team. If the Steelers were to change their name and logo does anyone think that would be a good thing for them? A hardcore passionate fan base isn't going to forgive and forget overnight.[/quote]

Wants Politicians get involved I'm always against it since I consider most of them corrupt IMO.

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[quote=Mattyk;1073156]Not sure how changing a major brand would result in some sort of financial windfall. A lot of alienated fans wouldn't exactly be lining up to spend their hard earned $$ out of protest.

Think about it with another team. If the Steelers were to change their name and logo does anyone think that would be a good thing for them? A hardcore passionate fan base isn't going to forgive and forget overnight.[/quote]

I agree, it really wouldn't be the same. Our franchise has been around for 81 years. Many of us including (Dan S) have childhood memories tied to the franchise and when/if the name ever changes a piece of my fandom will die with it. I don't believe, for me, it would be the same. I would still be a Washington fan, but my level of fandom would be eroded.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1073159]Wants Politicians get involved I'm always against it since I consider most of them corrupt IMO.[/quote]

Well its not that most of the them are corrupt rather its more.....

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[QUOTE=NYCskinfan82;1073159]Wants Politicians get involved I'm always against it since I consider most of them corrupt IMO.[/QUOTE]


Exactly. Dirtbag references Snyders effort in protecting the team name. I would be less apt to buy new brand merch because of the jackasses who rule the world. Not to mention its already past the point of Snyder rolling over.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1073055][URL="http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/10990605/sean-lee-dallas-cowboys-injured-otas"]Sean Lee of Dallas Cowboys injured during OTAs - ESPN Dallas[/URL]

Torn left ACL. Tough break for Lee and Cowboy fans. I hate seeing this type of injury no matter the circumstances. Hope he bounces back strong.[/quote]
I'm........not so sure this is God's team..

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[quote=over the mountain;1073090]the sarah palin of the nfl now .....[/quote]

:laughing-

Thanks for the laugh this morning. Needed it.

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I dunno, I feel like if they changed the name to...say, the Braves, and kept the colors pretty much the same, keep the arrowhead/spear logo.. I feel like it wouldn't really be too different. I don't really care too much either way; for me it's just getting to the point that the endless discussion is starting to bug me, and I think we all know it will never stop unless the name changes.

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I want to ask you guys a question about the offensive name Redskins which some find offensive and others do not. First, I know its the NFL and they are big and I know its the Washington Redskins and they are big, BUT if any of you were personally offended by a business's name, what would you personally do? My first response would be that I just wouldn't do business with them, support them, or shop in their store if that was the case. End of story. So now to bring it to the Redskins, if you don't like their name or find it offensive, don't go to their games, buy their merchandise or otherwise support their business. If other suppliers (other NFL teams) want to play them and are OK with it, if other people want to watch their games, buy their mechandise or otherwise keep them in business, why does Congress care, or anyone else care? If you want to support or buy let's say Hell's Angels merchandise or maybe Gay and Lesbian merchandise or pornographic merchandise and it offends me, in America where we have the right to choose what and where we buy and support private business, why should others who are offended FORCE their ideas and beliefs on you for those businesses to change?

What am I missing here? This whole politically correct additude in this country has gotten crazy.

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scowan - this is not an apples to apples comparison bc a strong argument could be made that the redskins and the NFL are private and not businesses open to the public (like a 7-11 or a bakery) and that the redskins, by their name alone, are not refusing service to anyone but ...

back in the 60's the Civil Rights Act was passed which basically said that you cannot discriminate against a person because of their race, joining other protected categories such as gender, religion, age, handicap.

Shortly thereafter, a Motel refused to allow black people to stay at the motel. The SCOTUS ruled that a business open to the public cannot discriminate against business invitees based upon race. The Federal Civil Rights Act extended to businesses only doing business in a particular state under the Interstate Commerce Clause.

That laid the ground work that a business open to the public cannot refuse service based upon a protected class/category.

In '05 or '06, conservatives tried to pass the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) to federally define marriage as between a man and woman. The SCOTUS ruled against DOMA and added "sexual preference" to the list of protected categories you cannot discriminate against.

last year a baker refused service to a lesbian couple bc of their sexual preference. The Court ruled that the bakery, as a business open to the public, could not discriminate against the couple and had to bake the cake. The bakery decided to close shop.

if you are a private organization, you can deny membership for any reason you want (see Augusta nat'l)

Short answer - while the Redskins are not refusing a service to the native americans like the baker did the lesbian couple .... eventually the Fed Govt may be able pull any and all federal benefits, incentives etc

im not a fan of telling offended people to just close their eyes or cover their ears when offensive conduct is being conducted in the public arena

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Yea well I'm Frank Schmedley from The League of Farmer Tanned White Guys and I say the name is not offensive and the government should gtfo.

I think that if the name Redskins was offensive to Native Americans a long time ago, that it is not anymore. Hence the name Redskins being proudly worn by a handful of highschool football teams made up primarily of Native Americans. All of this talk does nothing but make it offensive again.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1073200]Yea well I'm Frank Schmedley from The League of Farmer Tanned White Guys and I say the name is not offensive and the government should gtfo.[/quote]

Well if you are now a farmer tanned white guy you now have "red skin" and I know you are not offended.

On a serious note, I guess there is no real incentive to change the name for Dan Snyder until he tries to get a new stadium and starts asking for public money to help him build it. Then the Redskin name haters will come out of the wood work I'm sure.

I am really trying hard to find a way to make this offensive for me so I can understand. I am not an American Indian, I am a 45 year old white guy from Kentucky. Even if they called the team the Washington Honkys or the Washington Rednecks, I'm still just not getting offended. Maybe I just have thicker skin, I don't know. Someone needs to give me, a white guy, a name that will really offend me so I can understand. I'm conservative so maybe if you called me a liberal Democrat I might get it.

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For what it's worth, I was brought up a Roman Catholic in sectarian Northern Ireland. Now, as I got older I learned not to buy into organised religion on any level, and instead interpret things in my own personal way, but whatever, I won't get into that.

Anyway, there are a number of slurs exchanged between Protestants and Catholics here due to beliefs be them religious, political, or indeed tribal. Two in particular I find particularly offensive to Catholics (and I'm not alone) then are Taig and Fenian.

As the latter was often used to describe an Irish warrior, I've met folk from outside of Ireland who would therefore interpret it as a term of endearment as someone who fought against oppression and tyranny. Something to be proud of if you will. Unfortunately however, that is just not the case, and if someone suggested a team in any area of sport was to be dubbed the Fenians, I guarantee there would be international condemnation.

Now, if I get criticised as not understanding or appreciating what it means to grow up following the Redskins, then of course I get that. There is an identity by association, even, and in some cases especially where team sport is concerned (I know families who live and die by Gaelic football). I guess I'm merely saying I can empathise with concerns within the Native American community, but if the team name were to change, then I'd still follow them regardless.

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[QUOTE=scowan;1073202]Well if you are now a farmer tanned white guy you now have "red skin" and I know you are not offended.

On a serious note, I guess there is no real incentive to change the name for Dan Snyder until he tries to get a new stadium and starts asking for public money to help him build it. Then the Redskin name haters will come out of the wood work I'm sure.

I am really trying hard to find a way to make this offensive for me so I can understand. I am not an American Indian, I am a 45 year old white guy from Kentucky. Even if they called the team the Washington Honkys or the Washington Rednecks, I'm still just not getting offended. Maybe I just have thicker skin, I don't know. Someone needs to give me, a white guy, a name that will really offend me so I can understand. I'm conservative so maybe if you called me a liberal Democrat I might get it.[/QUOTE]


Well to play devils advocate the white man from Kentucky hasnt exactly endured the hardships that the native american has. Which is why you are not necessarily offended imo.
That being said it boils down to are native americans offended by the name. According to studies - they are not.

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[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/redskins-lb-keenan-robinson-finally-healthy-working-starters]Redskins LB Keenan Robinson is (finally) healthy, working with starters | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

It's really nice seeing a player like Robinson whose gone through multiple injuries make his presence felt especially at a pretty huge position of need for the team. Hopefully he keeps making strides and becomes another solid pick for the team even if it took more time than everyone had hoped it would take.

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I think they should keep the name. But it's ironic that our town had the Bullets and Redskins. Somehow Bullets was more offensive to everyone.. It's not like we're strangers to name-change.

It took me a decade to call them the Wizards, and I still don't like it. Imagine it would be the same if the Skins changed their name.