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[quote=skinsfan69;1101062]He had an average game to me. Very conservative play calling. The long ones to Jackson were nice. And Roberts wtf dude? Gotta help your QB on 3rd and long. He seriously sucks. Numerous drops this year. Great pick there Bruce! But I guess this is the kind of game Griffin has to run right now, hit a few, manage the game and try not to turn it over. He had a bad int and almost another that was dropped. Not sure this is what we should be expecting from the 2nd pick in the draft, a game manager, but right now it is what it is.[/quote]

Roberts has disappointed for sure at WR and even in the return game, he's fair catching inside the 10....is that still a no-no?

I hope we're targeting a new return guy next year.

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[quote=Bangee7;1101084]Roberts has disappointed for sure at WR and even in the return game, he's fair catching inside the 10....is that still a no-no?

I hope we're targeting a new return guy next year.[/quote]

He did have the key return giving the team excellent field position on the final drive.

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I would say Roberts has much improved the return game from the mix and match we had last year, but for what he is being paid I would expect Jacoby Jones numbers.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101079][url=http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/14075/rg-iii-plays-better-but-debate-over-future-continues]Robert Griffin III plays better, but debate over future will continue - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Keim always does a good analysis. He even mentions progression improvements and Robert positioning the safety with his eyes. Something some fans, myself included, have blasted Robert's ability to do.

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If we were to fire Gruden, it appears that we could not get David Shaw, who seems happy at Stanford.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12060475/david-shaw-plans-stay-stanford-cardinal-coach-shun-nfl-coaching-opportunities]David Shaw plans to stay as Stanford Cardinal coach, shun NFL coaching opportunities - ESPN[/url]

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I'm all in for Griffin in 2015. I've complained and bitched and have said the opposite before, but I'm all in. He has gone thru a lot the first 3 seasons, a lot of it his own fault, but we need the continuity. Lets fix the offensive line (please please fix that dumpster fire), and see how much improvement he can make. I'd rather risk burning 1 more season, then using our first pick on a qb and starting over again. Use that pick to fix the line or secondary. So even if Griffin doesn't work out, we have an elite young o-linemen, safety, or corner going forward.

I'm in for Gruden too, but I hope him and Griffin can basically squash this year and start fresh again next year. And hopefully they both learned that mistakes were made on both sides, and they are both Redskins with 1 goal in mind.

And I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but I fucki*g love Trent Williams. What a hog, he needs to be a life long Redskin! He has played beat to shit all year, and hasn't played to his typical pro bowl type level because of it, but he shows up every week ready to go to fight with his teammates. He is the epitome of leading by example.

Shout out to Kerrigan too, he looks like he is getting towards being that elite type pass rusher that every team needs.

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[quote=Lotus;1101101]If we were to fire Gruden, it appears that we could not get David Shaw, who seems happy at Stanford.

[url=http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12060475/david-shaw-plans-stay-stanford-cardinal-coach-shun-nfl-coaching-opportunities]David Shaw plans to stay as Stanford Cardinal coach, shun NFL coaching opportunities - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Shaw would be my 1st choice followed by Bowles. Only if Gruden is canned which I highly doubt and should be given another year. Heck, we are one win better than last year.

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How much are the Cardinals paying Bowles? Lets see them and raise them and bring him back to D.C. to be our defensive coordinator. That would be awesome. And he would easily be by choice of our next Head Coach too if Gruden were gone. (He won't be, just hypothetical)

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12060515/mike-shanahan-says-robert-griffin-iii-jay-cutler-franchise-quarterbacks]Mike Shanahan says Robert Griffin III, Jay Cutler can still be franchise quarterbacks - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1101111]How much are the Cardinals paying Bowles? Lets see them and raise them and bring him back to D.C. to be our defensive coordinator. That would be awesome. And he would easily be by choice of our next Head Coach too if Gruden were gone. (He won't be, just hypothetical)[/quote]

pretty sure we would have to get cardinals approval to interview a guy for a lateral move. did we give some coord a sham "head coach - defense" title during gibbs II?

roberts - he just doesnt have hands. hes a serviceabale no 3 but he is being paid like a no 2. we have way too much of the cap invested in WR and we def need to trim some fat.

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I really like hearing this from Mike Shanahan:

Shanahan said Griffin, whom the Redskins drafted second overall in 2012, could be a franchise quarterback.

"He has that ability," Shanahan said. "He's in charge of that himself, though. It takes a lot of work, a lot of studying. ... He can be as good as he wants to be. But he has to make a commitment in that film room like he's never done before."

There you have it, Robert. It's up to you. Make it happen!

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The past 2 weeks highlighted why I got frustrated with Gruden. Granted, Griffin looked like garbage vs. Tampa and indecisive all year but that's part of your job is to actively develop the QB not try to get some meaningless wins in a lost season with Colt McCoy.

Granted maybe the benching gave Griffin some necessary humbling and perspective but the drama & circus around it is so tiresome.

All that being said, if he's committed to developing a starting QB and designing an offense to make him (whomever it is) successful and a winner then I'm fine with Gruden hanging around.

As for Griffin's side of things, he needs to spend less time in the weight room (all of the endorsement/social media stuff doesn't bother me) and more time in the classroom. I'd love it if we brought in a older veteran (like the Colts did with Hasselbeck) to be a true mentor on those things for him.

Either way and especially if Cousins is still here, training camp should be a true competition and consider all aspects in naming a starter. Nothing given, all earned.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1101111]How much are the Cardinals paying Bowles? Lets see them and raise them and bring him back to D.C. to be our defensive coordinator. That would be awesome. And he would easily be by choice of our next Head Coach too if Gruden were gone. (He won't be, just hypothetical)[/quote]

Heard on the radio the other day that he got a raise earlier this season - 3 year extension worth about $1.7 mil a year, among the higher end of coordinators. He's not taking another coordinator position anywhere, his next step will be to a HC position and it was said he's looking for the 'right' job, not just anywhere.

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[quote=Paintrain;1101204]The past 2 weeks highlighted why I got frustrated with Gruden. Granted, Griffin looked like garbage vs. Tampa and indecisive all year but that's part of your job is to actively develop the QB not try to get some meaningless wins in a lost season with Colt McCoy.

Granted maybe the benching gave Griffin some necessary humbling and perspective but the drama & circus around it is so tiresome.

All that being said, if he's committed to developing a starting QB and designing an offense to make him (whomever it is) successful and a winner then I'm fine with Gruden hanging around.

As for Griffin's side of things, he needs to spend less time in the weight room (all of the endorsement/social media stuff doesn't bother me) and more time in the classroom. I'd love it if we brought in a older veteran (like the Colts did with Hasselbeck) to be a true mentor on those things for him.

[B]Either way and especially if Cousins is still here, training camp should be a true competition and consider all aspects in naming a starter. Nothing given, all earned.[/quote]
[/B]
Not only at the QB position, but almost every position outside of Kerrigan, Breeland, Morris and Williams.

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when did it become so popular off of here to call us a dumpster fire? Even in this Philly article.

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20141222_With_D-Jax__Birds_may_still_be_in_picture.html]With D-Jax, Birds may still be in picture[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;1101209][/B]
Not only at the QB position, but almost every position outside of Kerrigan, Breeland, Morris and Williams.[/quote]

I add Way, Young and Kia too that list.

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[quote=mredskins;1101211]I add Way, Young and Kia too that list.[/quote]

Yes I would add those two as well and perhaps Robinson too.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1101209][/B]
Not only at the QB position, but almost every position outside of Kerrigan, Breeland, Morris and Williams.[/quote]

Absolutely. Griffin was appointed the starter from his first practice and never had to 'earn' anything. Even after getting benched last year he was re-appointed without a competition when Gruden was hired. I think he needed the wake up call and for him to have to fight for his job a little.

Make it clear to him that he's on the same level as Cousins, McCoy or whomever else is brought in and nothing is given to him.

I have been and still am a huge Griffin supporter. If this season is what was needed for him to take the next step to being a franchise QB then I'll willingly take the lumps.

That said for Gruden's sake, it better have worked or else he's going to be looking for work!

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[quote=mredskins;1101210][B]when did it become so popular off of here to call us a dumpster fire?[/B] Even in this Philly article.

[url=http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20141222_With_D-Jax__Birds_may_still_be_in_picture.html]With D-Jax, Birds may still be in picture[/url][/quote]

1999-Present

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[quote=Paintrain;1101215]1999-Present[/quote]

:goodjob:

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[quote=mredskins;1101211]I add Way, Young and Kia too that list.[/quote]

Who's Kia?

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[quote=SmootSmack;1101226]Who's Kia?[/quote]

You must be new here, that would be Cobra Kai, our kicker...

That was fun.

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[quote=SCRedskinsFan;1101227]You must be new here, that would be Cobra Kai, our kicker...

That was fun.[/quote]

Kia, Kai. Same difference

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[quote=smootsmack;1101228]kia, kai. Same difference[/quote]

lol

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[quote=SmootSmack;1101226]Who's Kia?[/quote]

I meant the car.

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[quote=smootsmack;1101228]kia, kai. Same difference[/quote]

lol

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1101094]I would say Roberts has much improved the return game from the mix and match we had last year, but for what he is being paid I would expect Jacoby Jones numbers.[/quote]

With Roberts as returner, he is solid- doesn't fumble, etc.

But I never get the feeling that he's ever a real threat to break one.

Skins are ranked somewhere 20-25 in both Punt & Kickoff returns.

If we can get improvement there, that can help steal some wins next year.

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[quote=Bangee7;1101413]With Roberts as returner, he is solid- [B]doesn't fumble[/B], etc.

But I never get the feeling that he's ever a real threat to break one.

Skins are ranked somewhere 20-25 in both Punt & Kickoff returns.

If we can get improvement there, that can help steal some wins next year.[/quote]

He just fumbled in the last game.

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He did but it was his first all year no?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1101414]He just fumbled in the last game.[/quote]

Roberts was a guy I was hoping we would sign in free agency, but he's been a disappointment on offense. Drops passes and fumbles way too much.

That said, he's been an improvement on special teams.

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[quote=SirLK26;1101417]Roberts was a guy I was hoping we would sign in free agency, but he's been a disappointment on offense. Drops passes and fumbles way too much.

That said, he's been an improvement on special teams.[/quote]

And to think Roberts would have been our #2 wr behind Garcon.....it was a good thing that we signed DJAX.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101416]He did but it was his first all year no?[/quote]

It was, I just felt like stating the obvious.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1101419]And to think Roberts would have been our #2 wr behind Garcon.....it was a good thing that we signed DJAX.[/quote]I think we might be getting spoiled at WR. Roberts is fine for a #2. Him at #3 and Moss #4 makes our WR corps very good.

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[quote=HailGreen28;1101426]I think we might be getting spoiled at WR. Roberts is fine for a #2. Him at #3 and Moss #4 makes our WR corps very good.[/quote]

Yeah but I want to see things out of Ryan Grant and Hankerson before the year is over. It's too bad Aldrick Robinson is no longer on the team.

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[QUOTE=REDSKINS4ever;1101434]Yeah but I want to see things out of Ryan Grant and Hankerson before the year is over. It's too bad Aldrick Robinson is no longer on the team.[/QUOTE]
Didn't Grant have good games early or am I confusing preseason with regular?

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1101444]Didn't Grant have good games early or am I confusing preseason with regular?[/QUOTE]


U got me thinking so i looked it up. He was 5-57 yards against Jags, and 1-4 yards weeks later. Other than that nada. Guess preseason he shined.

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[quote=REDSKINS4ever;1101434]Yeah but I want to see things out of Ryan Grant and [B]Hankerson [/B]before the year is over. It's too bad Aldrick Robinson is no longer on the team.[/quote]

Hankerson. LOL. The new and improved Malcolm Kelly.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1101444]Didn't Grant have good games early or am I confusing preseason with regular?[/quote]

Maybe he's been having bad practice habits?? His absence confuses me.He tore it up in preseason,looked good in the games he played,and I havent seen him get a snap in ages.To stick Moss in ahead of Grant makes no sense to me,to stick Hankerson in ahead of Grant makes no sense to me

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[quote=htownskinfan;1101452]Maybe he's been having bad practice habits?? His absence confuses me.He tore it up in preseason,looked good in the games he played,and I havent seen him get a snap in ages.To stick Moss in ahead of Grant makes no sense to me,to stick Hankerson in ahead of Grant makes no sense to me[/quote]

I have the same questions...the guys looks like a bona-fide Pro receiver with great hands.

I can't understand why he hasn't seen the field.

I do think he has a bright future though.

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Grant's time will come. He's a rookie and having a great preseason doesn't mean squat.