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[quote=skinsguy;1108312]Well, if we're re-signing these guys to heavily incentive-based contracts, then I'm more than OK with that. We need to be building through the draft anyway, and chances are, if there is a highly valuable safety out there in FA, then he wants a healthy contract.[/quote]

An injured player is of no use to his team regardless of the value of his contract, so I would be hesitant to sign players with worrisome injury histories.

Perhaps we could find a rookie who could start at SS but there is little chance that we're going to get a starting FS out of the draft this year. I have no problem with giving the right FA a lucrative contract to anchor our secondary as our starting FS because we currently have NOBODY at FS and filling that position can't wait.

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Cobb to Oakland seems like a strong possibility right now

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Wilfork to become a free agent per his own statement on Twitter.

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[quote=Mattyk;1108317]Fractured heal, not an ACL.

At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.[/quote]

A fractured heal sounds extremely painful!!!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1108353]Wilfork to become a free agent per his own statement on Twitter.[/quote]


I think he'll stay in NE for less money,he is very close to Mr. Kraft .

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[quote=Giantone;1108356]I think he'll stay in NE for less money,he is very close to Mr. Kraft .[/quote]

i agree, he had a big option number for this year and the Pats chose not to pick up the big contract number.

He goes back for less money

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[quote=calia;1108314]I don't disagree with this at all, but we've had a lot of guys in the secondary with significant injury and who have missed significant time (Ihenacho, Thomas, Hall, Merriweather, Porter, T. Robinson). I realize a few of these folks won't be back, but looking at FAs that also have significant injury histories -- including the news about Tyvon Branch coming in for a visit; he's played in only 5 games the last 2 years -- doesn't seem terribly wise, as even these low risk contracts begin to add up.[/quote]


I think what you are seeing is Scot McCloughan allowing his present scouting staff to either sink or swim. He's evaluating what they are turning into him. So, these guys that the 'skins are re-signing or bringing in for a visit might just merely be Scot's way deciding who stays or who goes on his staff.

Just remember, things aren't going to be perfect this offseason. McCloughan will make some good moves (probably more in terms of the draft and rookie signings), but there will be a lot of evaluating of his own staff. He did say he would go through free agency and the draft with the present scouting staff. So, I would probably just about say that any offseason moves that turn out to be head scratchers will probably just be a result of trusting the opinion of those remaining staff members - who probably won't be here next year.

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[quote=skinsguy;1108359]I think what you are seeing is Scot McCloughan allowing his present scouting staff to either sink or swim. He's evaluating what they are turning into him. So, these guys that the 'skins are re-signing or bringing in for a visit might just merely be Scot's way deciding who stays or who goes on his staff.

Just remember, things aren't going to be perfect this offseason. McCloughan will make some good moves (probably more in terms of the draft and rookie signings), but there will be a lot of evaluating of his own staff. He did say he would go through free agency and the draft with the present scouting staff. So, I would probably just about say that any offseason moves that turn out to be head scratchers will probably just be a result of trusting the opinion of those remaining staff members - who probably won't be here next year.[/quote]

What you are saying makes no sense.

First of all, there is no need for Scot to allow his staff to screw up any FA signings or draft picks in order to evaluate them.

Secondly, no executive in his right mind is going to sit back and let his subordinates fail at such an important task. He's going to check and re-check every player they recommend. That's because an executive is responsible for what his subordinates do; therefore, their failure is also his failure and his failure is the entire organization's failure, which is unacceptable.

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Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - [B]Keep[/B]
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - [B]Keep[/B]
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1108362]Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - [B]Keep[/B]
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - [B]Keep[/B]
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....[/quote]

I might try to sign Orakpo but only to a very team-friendly deal. I agree with you on the rest.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1108362]Hmmm...I dont have a very high opinion of our FAs.

Brian Orakpo, OLB - let him go
Barry Cofield, DT- let him go
Tyler Polumbus, OT- let him go
Roy Helu, RB - [B]Keep[/B]
Jarvis Jenkins, DE - let him go
Brandon Meriweather, S - let him go
Leonard Hankerson, WR - let him go
Niles Paul, TE - [B]Keep[/B]
Santana Moss, WR - let him go
Colt McCoy, QB - let him go
Stephen Bowen, DE - let him go
E.J. Biggers, CB - let him go
Tanard Jackson, S - let him go help him pack pay for his taxi....[/quote]

Why keep Niles Paul ? they need another true TE, not a WR masquerading as a TE

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108364]Why keep Niles Paul ? they need another true TE, not a WR masquerading as a TE[/quote]

Yes! A guy that can run, catch and BLOCK.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108364]Why keep Niles Paul ? they need another true TE, not a WR masquerading as a TE[/quote]

For special teams of course.

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[quote=Alvin Walton;1108366]For special teams of course.[/quote]

sarcasm ? Paul had 5 tackles, and 1 assist in 2014

[B]FYI In 2014 Branch had 30 tackles in 3 games[/B] an incentive based contract might be a good option

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[quote=Irrefutable;1108369]sarcasm ? Paul had 5 tackles, and 1 assist in 2014

[B]FYI In 2014 Branch had 30 tackles in 3 games[/B] an incentive based contract might be a good option[/quote]

[url=http://www.csnwashington.com/redskinsblog/should-redskins-re-sign-te-niles-paul]Should the Redskins re-sign TE Niles Paul? | Comcast SportsNet Washington[/url]

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Not sure why Philly got a bunch of hate on that trade of McCoy for Kiko. Most people I see talking about it think the Bills got robbed. McCoy had a 12mil salary cap figure this year and his production dropped last season. I think several of the stats places had him listed way behind many of the other backs in terms of production, even though their offensive line ranked as one of the better run blocking units in the league.

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MJD is hanging it up.

[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2386751-maurice-jones-drew-retires-latest-details-comments-and-reaction?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=programming-national]Maurice Jones-Drew Retires: Latest Details, Comments and Reaction | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2386824-retirement-of-maurice-jones-drew-underscores-mortality-of-nfl-rb[/url]

....and this is why Philly traded McCoy. Numbers say that RBs decline starts at 26.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1108396][url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2386824-retirement-of-maurice-jones-drew-underscores-mortality-of-nfl-rb]Maurice Jones-Drew's Retirement Underscores Mortality of NFL RB | Bleacher Report[/url]

....and this is why Philly traded McCoy. Numbers say that RBs decline starts at 26.[/quote]

there are 11 million other reasons McCoy was traded

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It looks like the Iggles are going to be loaded with players from Oregon and a whole bunch of FAs. I'm amazed that a coach would look at players like Shady and DJax and not figure out how to work it out so they can stay with the team. Though at the end of the day I'm fine with a division rival making stupid moves and getting rid of talented players.

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[url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-eagles-jets-will-make-trade-for-marcus-mariota/ar-BBigoyX]Report: Eagles, Jets will make trade for Marcus Mariota[/url]

Lol the Eagles

So marriota at qb, question mark at rb with 32 year old sproles, a wild overpay for the other seattle cb. And they still need to fill 2 other starting secondary starters. Zero depth. And they have resign macklin....I'm not scared.

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[quote=Chico23231;1108400][url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-eagles-jets-will-make-trade-for-marcus-mariota/ar-BBigoyX]Report: Eagles, Jets will make trade for Marcus Mariota[/url]

Lol the Eagles

So marriota at qb, question mark at rb with 32 year old sproles, a wild overpay for the other seattle cb. And they still need to fill 2 other starting secondary starters. Zero depth. And they have resign macklin....I'm not scared.[/quote]

I really don't buy those pre-draft "trades" that get put out there as smoke screens.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1108317]Fractured heal, not an ACL.



At his price he'll have to earn a spot. No big risk for the team.[/QUOTE]


Fractured "heal". Interesting slip. Let's hope the heel healed.


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[quote=Chico23231;1108400][url=http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-eagles-jets-will-make-trade-for-marcus-mariota/ar-BBigoyX]Report: Eagles, Jets will make trade for Marcus Mariota[/url]
[/quote]

If I were Scot M., I'd start dropping hints that I might take Mariota at #5 and see what develops. He needs to tell Bruce Allen and Dan Snyder that it's just a ruse, of course.

If nothing else, it would provide the fans with some entertainment value. Rumors would fly, Chip Kelly would squirm, and who knows what ridiculous comments RGIII would make about it. C'mon Scot, do it for the fans. On with the show!

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[quote=Ruhskins;1108399]It looks like the Iggles are going to be loaded with players from Oregon and a whole bunch of FAs. I'm amazed that a coach would look at players like Shady and DJax and not figure out how to work it out so they can stay with the team. Though at the end of the day I'm fine with a division rival making stupid moves and getting rid of talented players.[/quote]

They probably don't see WR and RB as valuable positions. The cap numbers based on their position wasn't worth it to them. I don't blame them.

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pending physical Marshall to Jets for draft pick(s). per B/R.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1108435]pending physical Marshall to Jets for draft pick(s). per B/R.[/quote]

SS is popping champagn

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1108435]pending physical Marshall to Jets for draft pick(s). per B/R.[/quote]

Brandon Marshal, Eric Decker, Percy Harvin... and then Geno Smith.

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Maybe just maybe the shegles will have to trade the farm with us to jump ahead of the jets. If they want there QB.

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Man, Chip Kelly really is a player's coach: [url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trent_cole_has_no_respect_for_eagles_after_release_from_team/18382688]Trent Cole has ‘no respect’ for Eagles after release from team | Yardbarker.com[/url]

Let's hope he continues to burn through his players. At least when Bellichick cuts ties he seems to do it in ways that don't cause his players to badmouth him or the organization on the way out.

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[quote=calia;1108454]Man, Chip Kelly really is a player's coach: [url=http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/trent_cole_has_no_respect_for_eagles_after_release_from_team/18382688]Trent Cole has ‘no respect’ for Eagles after release from team | Yardbarker.com[/url]

Let's hope he continues to burn through his players. [B]At least when Bellichick cuts ties he seems to do it in ways that don't cause his players to badmouth him or the organization on the way out.[/B][/quote]

To me that is one of the amazing things about Belichick. Former players almost always have nice things to say, even after being cut.

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[quote=Lotus;1108455]To me that is one of the amazing things about Belichick. Former players almost always have nice things to say, even after being cut.[/quote]

Honesty, direct communication and professional...no bullsh*t. always the best way to run any type of organization. You always nowhere you stand with Belichick. Well honesty in communication, not really the rules of the game :oink:

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You think DJ might be laughing somewhere.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12434646/marshawn-lynch-re-sign-seattle-seahawks]Marshawn Lynch to re-sign with Seattle Seahawks - ESPN[/url]

beastmode isnt going anywhere

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[quote=donofriose;1108437]Brandon Marshal, Eric Decker, Percy Harvin... and then Geno Smith.[/quote]

I dunno, it's one of those receiving corps that seems like it [I]should [/I]be impressive, but just doesn't strike me as much more than "average to good." It seems to me to have a great reputation more than anything else. Even with a decent QB, not sure this is a group to fear.

Marshall is solid but is now 30. While he has been productive and very good, I am thinking his best is behind him. The other two, ehh - I don't think there best is all that great. Harvin has never excelled as a pure WR (and has been a problem child off the field) and Decker only had success w/ Peyton Manning throwing to him.

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The Jets are about to release Harvin

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I'm glad to see Niles Paul back, definitely a fan of the guy and still think he's got potential. Good all around athlete and solid depth IMO

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Couple of years ago Harvin looked like a star in the making. Now traded twice and cut.

Somene will pick him up for a cheap contract, but just don't see him making an impact anywhere. Not even sure if he is a solid slot receiver at This point.

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[url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12435170/laron-landry-veteran-safety-suspended-10-games-nfl]LaRon Landry, veteran safety, suspended 10 games by NFL - ESPN[/url]

I'm only surprised he lasted as long as he did without being busted again.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1108477][url=http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12435170/laron-landry-veteran-safety-suspended-10-games-nfl]LaRon Landry, veteran safety, suspended 10 games by NFL - ESPN[/url]

I'm only surprised he lasted as long as he did without being busted again.[/QUOTE]

Couldn't he find some PEDs that would help him take better angles when trying to tackle someone?