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40 year in and sick of this crap.
I want to see my team punch someone in the mouth, over and over again, 4 brutal yards at a time...it is called the RIGGO DRILL.
Nothing in sports has ever been as delightful!!
Back to the basics...screw this primadana bullcrap.
Not only I want us to win....I want us to deliver some serious pain to whoever messes with Washington!
Go SKINS.
I see GREAT THINGS for the skins with a QB (cousins) who knows he is there to do his job....nothing more....nothing less....best wishes to Captain Kirk!

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1117836]Griffin out game 3[/QUOTE]


Sad but true okie

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Im sick of all of it. NFL network and ESPN and all the damn speculations... Smh its a.bunch of.bullshit... We don't .... Don't... Have an offense right now that Robert will succeed in .... 2012 and the read option one to three read offense was it for this kid imo... I'm fucking sick of jay gruden and his shit handling of all situations ever.... I'm over all of it. Don't even know what to say at this point. I hope cousins plays well tomorow night and keeps playing well and they stick by a fucking qb for once I don't give a shit if he throws four picks in one game.Christ peyton did that against the pats in the playoffs once maybe... Might have been less lol but still... Qbs throw picks, get over it. Man I'm sick of all of it.

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Here's the deal I want to see with Cousins, command of the huddle, pocket awareness, ability to deliver to 3rd option. ability to call protections, 3rd down conversions on 3rd and less than 8, zero fumble tolerance. 1-2 picks a game. 1-2 TD's a game. Move the ball, win time of possession.
He must learn to not telegraph his throws...must look off defenders (weakness)
I do trust his ability to develop.
If he could develop head fakes left to throw right, he could potentially be like a brady type manager. I know that is an outrageous statement...but, solid knowledge, management and delivery makes a 10 play offensive drive with a TD possible.
Nothing spectacular....just 10X 5 yards at a time without a pick to score.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117901]Does anyone think this has to do with what he said at his presser? Maybe the " I just work here" comment didn't go over too well with the folks in the front office.[/quote]

This is exactly what I was going to ask before I found this post. I mentioned earlier today (before the big RGIII announcement) that I would fire one of my employees if they gave that answer.
I wonder how much the poor choice of words RGIII has had the last month is starting to get him in trouble with the owner? Snyder's loyalty and patience may have run out.

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[QUOTE=SirLK26;1117772]LOL dude. You're constantly bitching about everything Griffin says and does off the field. When are you going to figure out that this stuff doesn't matter? Because it doesn't. Simple as that. The media takes everything he says and twists it and puts it in the worst light possible. Players around the league say plenty of stuff that should be considered far worse than what he says, but for obvious reasons Griffin gets a far bigger reaction and more clicks. Repeat after me, this stuff doesn't matter. His teammates and coaches know who he is as a person, they don't give a sh*t how the media portrays him. The football side of Griffin is all you should be concerned about.

Speaking of that, I just watched the Detroit game for the first time and am mystified why everyone is sh*tting on Griffin. He was absolutely not as bad as what everyone said. Taking his full body of preseason work into account, I think he definitely looks better than last year, but of course you can't really tell that until the regular season.

Also, another thing that's been bugging me is why everyone acts like Cousins is so much better than Griffin. Have you all forgot 2012 and 2013? Last year was the first time you could say Cousins had play equal to Griffin's, and half his games were destroyed by interceptions. Cousins looks good at times, and if we end up letting Griffin go I hope we hang onto Cousins, but the negative overreaction to Griffin's game has led to an overreaction of positivity towards Cousins' game.[/QUOT

I have to agree with your comments. People in DC always love the backup QB until he plays and he shits the bed.

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[quote=htownskinfan;1117798]To all the posters that keep reminding us of Kirk's play last yr must have forgotten what RG3' play was.This was posted a couple days ago

"You can argue that the preseason is too small a sample size to draw any conclusions, and that Griffin is playing against better defensive players than Cousins and McCoy are. But Griffin’s sub-par performance goes beyond just this year’s preseason. Last year Griffin started seven games, Cousins started five and McCoy started four. Washington wasn’t a particularly good team no matter who was starting, but according to ESPN’s QBR system, which combines both statistics and film study into one number on a 0-100 scale, Griffin was easily the worst of the three. McCoy had a 46.9 QBR, Cousins had a 46.5 QBR and Griffin had a 33.5 QBR. The Football Outsiders DVOA system, which uses play-by-play data to assess quarterbacks, similarly had Griffin as by far the worst of Washington’s three quarterbacks."

So Griff was by far the worst,so please please quit bringing up how bad Kirk played,the guys had 8 or 9 starts.We're not saying{or at least most of us}is gonna be a franchise qb,but he hasnt been given much of a chance yet and he's better than Griff.
As far as the last game,it's not an over reaction,its a 2yr cumulation of the same old shit[/quote]

This is funny if you want to compare preseason QB stats then look at Joe Flaco's stats. They look identical to RG3's stats. But coaching in B-More aren't shitting the bed about it. Preseason is nothing anymore but trying to stay healthy. As you can see the Redskins can't even when that game of staying healthy.

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[quote=sevier2;1117849]I do believe he had symptoms. However he was also CLEARED earlier this week. If Tom Brady were cleared to play earlier in the week, would the Pats have an independent neurologist further inspect? I highly doubt it.

Although I am with you, it sounds very much like a conspiracy theory, what else can we expect from this team?

I believe, the coaches saw an opportunity to get Cousins on the field WITHOUT committing to the idea of benching RG3 to the public and they took it.

Moving on... I'm STOKED to see what Cousins can do with the 1's. If he comes out and lights it up....[/quote]

Or shits the bed. Then we can get on Colts Nutz

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117901]Does anyone think this has to do with what he said at his presser? Maybe the " I just work here" comment didn't go over too well with the folks in the front office.[/quote]

WTF? If RG3 speaks they tell him he talks to much. When he gives the media a BS answer like "Man I just work here" then he pisses people off. he just can't win. He should just do a Marshawn Lynch Just say Yea or No to every question. I guess when your the man you can say anything but if you suck you get slammed on anything you say.

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[quote=Mattyk;1117909]I don't even care how or why at this point. All I know is all this bickering and drama is just beyond tiring. People eat up this drama and then wonder why the media feeds us this shit. Who fucking cares lets just play some football.[/quote]

I agree this all sounds like a damn soap opera. And real men don't watch soaps. So lets drop this BS and line up and kick some Ravens ass.

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We are the laughingstock of the league for 95% of other fans, and rightfully so. This type sh*t just doesn't happen to other teams. It wasn't like, he isn't playing Saturday and will be fine for the next week, it went from cleared, to possibly not even being tested for 2 more weeks. WTF? Someone lied here, either the Redskins or the doctor. It doesn't make any sense. This franchise is just ridiculous to root for. And no, I'm not going to stop rooting for them, I'm a Skins fan forever, but hell if it isn't a joke on all of us.

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[quote=skinsnut;1117910]What is completely bad is that this is the warm up...if they had a conspiricy to bench RG3...they would have done it at the begiinning of the week to get Cousins reps with the 1's. No one in their right mind can expect a guy with ZERO practices with the ones to have any timing down at all. If anything...the conspiricy would be to set up Cousins to fail, to calm the fan base down to bring RG3 in as the saviour when Cousins throws 2 picks due to poor timing. Cousins throws to a spot on timing based on knowing his receivers. This is not going to be the same as throwing to the 2's. He is likely going to be late on the longer passes due to the speed differences. Check downs should be solid though. Let's watch for that. I actually have far more faith in Cousins' development into a solid pocket game manager aka a weaker armed Brad Johnson.
RG3 is someone who was supposed to revolutionize the game...he did for about 6 games in a row 3 years ago...then he got clobbered, I saw it personally...it sucked....and the drama...what drama! We cut a strong offensive coordinator in favor of a player for heaven sake. The Redskins do best as a TEAM...even when loudmouth Theismann was the QB, there were a half dozen others outspoken on both sides of the ball to balance him out....this team has never been successful with a single star or a potential one...be it Deon Sanders, Bruce Smith, or RG3.
We won superbowls with above average QB's with strong defenses and amazing Olines.
SCREW the QB position!!.
We need a game manager...that is all.
I want a TEAM....not a savior!! and a coach who inspires and commands respect.
The reality is ....we dont have any of these right now....except...I really do think Cousins could be a keeper...but we shall see tomorrow when they throw him to the dogs in a very difficult situation with a weak still developing line.
One thing I trust...our new GM....in 3 years, this team will look far different, unless Danny screws it up or McG goes back to the bottle.[/quote]

Skinsnut look if a backup QB has to replace the starter during a game he didn't work with the 1's all week so whats the difference now with Kirk. He has been in the system as long as RG3 so don't make excuses for him now. He is going to get a chance to start against the Ravens 1st team so lets see how he does.

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[quote=skinsnut;1117918]40 year in and sick of this crap.
I want to see my team punch someone in the mouth, over and over again, 4 brutal yards at a time...it is called the RIGGO DRILL.
Nothing in sports has ever been as delightful!!
Back to the basics...screw this primadana bullcrap.
Not only I want us to win....I want us to deliver some serious pain to whoever messes with Washington!
Go SKINS.
I see GREAT THINGS for the skins with a QB (cousins) who knows he is there to do his job....nothing more....nothing less....best wishes to Captain Kirk![/quote]

Yea lets bring back the horse and buggy and get rid of our vehicles while were are at it. That sounds good but football has evolved and if you don't you get left behind. That's why teams with great QB's and coaches when Super Bowls.

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Ideally, I want RG3 to be healthy and get to start for 16 games. But this is exhausting.

I want the Redskins to trade/cut ANY 2 of the 3 quarterbacks currently on the roster, whoever is the last one left starts, sign an undrafted or cut young free agent to be the backup, and go with a 2 man depth chart at the position.

Just end it! For all our sakes.

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We should have signed ryan fitzpatrick dude... No but really, Kirk has had a couple meltdown games dude im not sold for one damn second. A guy like andrew luck throws 3 picks and still leads a game winning 4th quarter drive. The way that dude looked on the bench was demoralized. At least griffins got heart. They just need to let rg loose until he gets hurt if thats his destiny. Screw trying to develop him into a pocket guy just let his scramble randle cunningham style until its over . Concussion smushin. These things happen. Colt has heart id rather him over cousins.

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[quote=skinsnut;1117921]Here's the deal I want to see with Cousins, command of the huddle, pocket awareness, ability to deliver to 3rd option. ability to call protections, 3rd down conversions on 3rd and less than 8, zero fumble tolerance. 1-2 picks a game. 1-2 TD's a game. Move the ball, win time of possession.
He must learn to not telegraph his throws...must look off defenders (weakness)
I do trust his ability to develop.
If he could develop head fakes left to throw right, he could potentially be like a brady type manager. I know that is an outrageous statement...but, solid knowledge, management and delivery makes a 10 play offensive drive with a TD possible.
Nothing spectacular....just 10X 5 yards at a time without a pick to score.[/quote]

So you want Cousins to be a hall of famer this year. Got it. Me too.

Brady is the most spectaluarist game manager ever

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[quote=DYoungJelly;1117899]Which guy was dogging it?

The guy trying to make the 53 (Smith)?

The guy who was brought in under a different GM and didn't thrill anyone last year and wants to stay past his current contract (Lavau)?

The guy who is undersized at his position and isn't the prototype the new GM is looking for (Lich)

The rookie who now somehow feels comfortable enough to teach the franchise QB a lesson after switching positions (Scherff)?

The guy who just broke into the starting lineup and was initially the second choice behind a Scherff/Long combo (Moses)?

I'm an idiot, but that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard if you're serious.

You've posted it twice now

Which one of the 5 intentionally let RG3 get hit?[/quote]

Maybe RG3 called the wrong protection at the line on purpose, because the best QB in the league couldn't possibly have done it by mistake.

Look, bad QBs get sacked no matter who's blocking for them. See also Jason Campbell vs. Todd Collins. See also RG3 in 2014 vs. Colt and KC, 2 QBs who are NOT punching their tickets to a Canton anytime soon.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1117901]Does anyone think this has to do with what he said at his presser? Maybe the " I just work here" comment didn't go over too well with the folks in the front office.[/quote]

I think the independent neurologist saw the press conference and declared RG3 mentally unfit to play just based on his idiotic responses.

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[quote=NC_Skins;1117903]Disorganization starts at the top. We've heard Smoot talk plenty of times about how fucked up the culture is at Redskins part, and it starts with lil Danny.

Yes, I'm with the majority of the people here that think it's very odd that he was cleared early this week, but not now. I'm with the conspiracy theories on this one. I think they want to see how Kirk does with the first string. This allows them to do so without taking a bunch of flak.[/quote]

Happens all the time with concussions. Are you saying Gruden paid off the independent neorologist? Or that Gruden himself is really the independent neurologist? I don't see how a team could manipulate the NFL's concussion program. How exactly would it work?

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[quote=44Deezel;1117937]Happens all the time with concussions. Are you saying Gruden paid off the independent neorologist? Or that Gruden himself is really the independent neurologist? I don't see how a team could manipulate the NFL's concussion program. How exactly would it work?[/quote]

Cleared early in the week but not now? I don't buy it and I suspect not many do.

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[quote=Skins4L;1117933]We should have signed ryan fitzpatrick dude... No but really, Kirk has had a couple meltdown games dude im not sold for one damn second. A guy like andrew luck throws 3 picks and still leads a game winning 4th quarter drive. The way that dude looked on the bench was demoralized. At least griffins got heart. They just need to let rg loose until he gets hurt if thats his destiny. Screw trying to develop him into a pocket guy just let his scramble randle cunningham style until its over . Concussion smushin. These things happen. Colt has heart id rather him over cousins.[/quote]

People seem to forget that Robert himself (and his dad for that matter) said. I want to be a pocket qb. He made it loud and clear. Well we tried and...... Well.

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Has anyone considered it could have been RG3's camp that asked for another review of his medicals?

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[QUOTE=44Deezel;1117936]I think the independent neurologist saw the press conference and declared RG3 mentally unfit to play just based on his idiotic responses.[/QUOTE]
That sounds reasonable to me!

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[B][/QUOTE]I have to agree with your comments. People in DC always love the backup QB until he plays and he shits the bed.[/QUOTE][/B]

I was at the game chanting "Gus Gus Gus" when Heath Shuler was benched. A few bad seasons and a self imposed concussion later . . .

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I don't think the Redskins conspired with the doctors here. I think this is all just a case of "could only happen to the Redskins" This could be for the best ultimately though

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At this point I'm ready for the divorce to be final. We haven't seen anything out of RG3 since 2012 that indicates he is progressing towards being a good qb. I feel confident at this point Gruden and RG3 are ready to split, and management might be the only reason that hasn't happened yet. It would make this a whole lot easier if Cousins actually gave us reason to believe he's more than a backup.

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I'm wondering what is causing all of these seemingly contradictory statements by Coach Gruden and "The Team" about RGIII's status. Is someone trying to make Gruden look like he doesn't know what's going on? If Gruden makes the initial statement on any matter, shouldn't he make any follow-up statements on that matter?

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Yeah just trade him already. Send him to Houston or buffalo or wherever for a draft pick or maybe a player but time to move on. Leave it to KC or colt and let's just hope we can run the ball and play Great defense. We have the weapons on offense to have a solid pass game

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[quote=44Deezel;1117937]Happens all the time with concussions. Are you saying Gruden paid off the independent neorologist? Or that Gruden himself is really the independent neurologist? I don't see how a team could manipulate the NFL's concussion program. How exactly would it work?[/quote]

44D......
I have been carefully scrutinizing your well thought, logical posts in this thread. I have not concluded what your ultimate design is. I would like to caution you, this.....sound reasoning will not work here!
Conspiracy is the flavor of the day with a hearty dose of absurdity just for fun. Truth has no bearing in the land of stupidity. Sooooo...please cease and desist.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1117956]I don't think the Redskins conspired with the doctors here. I think this is all just a case of "could only happen to the Redskins" [B]This could be for the best ultimately though[/B][/quote]
probably don't see KC tonight if not.........

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[URL]https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn[/URL]

Check out Ed Werder. SM determined to move on......

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[quote=Hog1;1117966][URL]https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn[/URL]

Check out Ed Werder. SM determined to move on......[/quote]

[SIZE="2"]"One #NFL source who knows #Washington GM Scot McCloughan well says he's determined to change team culture and must move on from @RGIII"[/SIZE]

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[QUOTE=Hog1;1117966][URL]https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn[/URL]

Check out Ed Werder. SM determined to move on......[/QUOTE]
Wow!

Sounds like RG3 might really be done here in Washington.

Who knows...maybe RG3's comment "I don't know, I just work here man" comment actually pissed off Dan Synder.

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I don't know, maybe it's me, but I felt the "I just work here, man," comment was about RG3 trying to avoid media criticism. This is why I think that:

The question was something to the effect of, "Was there any concern about you going back in, was there any discussion with the coaches about whether or not it was a good idea to have you go back in with the number of times you were getting hit?"

Ok so, he might have said:

1. "Yeah, I told him I wanted to keep playing no matter what because that is what a true competitor does."

And if he did, the media would say stuff like . . . [I]why is RG3 in the discussion, this is a coaches decision, I wonder if RG2 was involved too, Gruden is a bad coach for listening to the player the decision is his to make, RG3 still has no perspective about protecting himself its all good to be a competitor but to risk the season because of pride he's not looking out for the good of the team more RGme.[/I]

2. "Yeah, we all decided to keep me in there because we wanted to try to make progress with the first team Offense."

Again they would say, [I]why is he involved in the decision making process blah blah blah, he's just saying exactly what Gruden said and obviously he thinks something different or it wouldn't sound so contrived[/I]

3. "Yeah, but in retrospect maybe I should have come out sooner."

[I]Now he's throwing the coach under the bus, there is a disconnect between QB and HC, he's just trying to protect himself why else would he not want to stay in the game maybe he's being traded and he knows it and he's just trying to survive . . . blah blah blah
[/I]

So, yeah, I guess he could have said, "NO, that is a coaching decision, but I have a lot of faith in Gruden and his judgement. It is never an easy decision to make, but I stand by what he decided."

[I]Where does RG3 come off thinking he's a good judge of coaching prowess? Not only does he think he's the best QB in the league, but a coaching talent scout too? Why is he commenting on the decision anyways, it is not his place. He knows it was a bad decision otherwise why would he feel a need to defend it, he's just biding his time.[/I]

This is easier and more fun then I thought

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[quote=44Deezel;1117937]Happens all the time with concussions. Are you saying Gruden paid off the independent neorologist? Or that Gruden himself is really the independent neurologist? I don't see how a team could manipulate the NFL's concussion program. How exactly would it work?[/quote]

The creation of the NFL's Concussion protocol is to keep a concussed player from playing. That is all. It is Not intended to police or prevent a team from keeping a healthy player from not playing.
Having said that I don't think anyone was paid off. There is no conspiracy. Just another chapter in the RGIII/Snyder story...drama...embarrassment.

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No matter if it was just an honest re-assessment or a conspiracy theory, the "this could only happen to the Redskins" applies and is a certifiable fact. The clown show continues. This year is off to a terrible start. Ughhh! I don't want to go 4-12 again!

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[quote=Mattyk;1117945]Has anyone considered it could have been RG3's camp that asked for another review of his medicals?[/quote]

That seems doubtful considering he posted this:

[B]
@RGIII

Trusting in God even when I don't understand why certain things happen.
James 1:2-3 (NLT)
[/B]



[quote=Hog1;1117966][URL]https://twitter.com/Edwerderespn[/URL]

Check out Ed Werder. SM determined to move on......[/quote]


:Flush:

You all were saying?

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This is an interesting development...

Report: Redskins plan to start Kirk Cousins over RG3 in Week 1

[url]http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/818677[/URL]

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Scot McCloughan flexing his muscle? Standing up to Snyder? Maybe....maybe not.
The only silver lining in this unfortunate situation is we finally have an open QB competition and we get to see KC with the starters this preseason. Get to see what he can do. I am not saying how he will do, it is a definite wait and see, but here is hoping for the best.

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[quote=kct1975;1117976]This is an interesting development...

Report: Redskins plan to start Kirk Cousins over RG3 in Week 1

[url=http://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/818677]Report: Redskins plan to start Kirk Cousins over RG3 in Week 1 | theScore[/url][/quote]

End of the RG3 era. Fuck. I'm never buying another jersey again. I'm 0 for 3.