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Anyone who still has an issue with KC is a fool

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[QUOTE=punch it in;1154303]Anyone who still has an issue with KC is a fool[/QUOTE]



What do you really think?


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[QUOTE=calia;1154393]What do you really think?


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That they are stupid as hell (but fool seemed like a nicer insult word) [emoji6]

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I do not see his qbr as this high, does ESPN figure it out differently?

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Yeah. They use some weird weighted formula that is different from the historical method of rating QB's.

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So this one Okie posted is more accurate in your opinion?
Looking at Cousins numbers his espn qbr seems so low. Makes sense. It is espn after-all.

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Does anyone have access to PFF position grades and rankings? Im only seeing their top 10 for the week as free content.

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ESPN has their own QBR, it's different from the traditional passer rating.

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Terry-Bradshaw-offers-bold-opinion-on-Kirk-Cousins--48665767]Terry Bradshaw offers bold opinion on Kirk Cousins[/url]

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ESPN wanted to be cool and make their own QBR that nobody even really cares about. They go based off of many things not just passing stats.

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Kirk still hasn't had a big TD game yet. It's coming, once we start scoring in the RZ again. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 4 or 5 td day in the next few weeks

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1154419][url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Terry-Bradshaw-offers-bold-opinion-on-Kirk-Cousins--48665767]Terry Bradshaw offers bold opinion on Kirk Cousins[/url][/quote]


I like the way ol' Terry thinks.

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Cousins has played fine after the first 2 games of the season.

These last 8 will determine a lot....if we come out with a winning record, Cousins contract will be massive. Right now, 20 mil per is probably where the team is at....

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1154437]Kirk still hasn't had a big TD game yet. It's coming, once we start scoring in the RZ again. I wouldn't be shocked to see a 4 or 5 td day in the next few weeks

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I'm expecting it this week! (think he's got a Play60 game going)

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Charley Casserly weighs in on market value for Kirk Cousins.

This from Jamie Oaks of 247sports.com:

Halfway through the 2016 season, it’s natural to start considering the big decision before the Washington Redskins as it relates to Kirk Cousins.

Playing on the franchise tag this season for $19.95 million, the Redskins have a big decision to make.

Let Cousins hit the open market, sign him longterm, or franchise him again at a staggering $24 million for 2017.

Former Redskins general manager and now NFL analyst Charley Casserly has chimed in on the subject.

“As a player today, to me, [Cousins is] Andy Dalton,” started Casserly on CSN Mid-Atlantic. “Good, solid quarterback but he’s not on the next level. He’s Andy Dalton.”

Dalton is currently playing out a six-year, $96 million deal, averaging $16 million per season, making the Cousins’ contract situation even more complex.

“I tell you what, you don’t want to lose him. So, you franchise him at 24 [million], now he has no incentive to sign, now he’s gambling on 35 [million if franchised for a third time] in the next year.

“My question is this, if he goes to free agency, I don’t see the Jets, the Browns, the Bears paying this guy north of $20 million, north of $50-60 [million] guaranteed.”

With Brock Osweiler earning $18 million a year, where does Cousins fit in?

“I think [Cousins] gets north of that number,” said Casserly when asked about Osweiler’s contract. “If this is the guy that finishes out, the way that he’s going, I don’t think you have a choice. You’re going to have to swallow it and pay him the money."

“I think that’s where the market’s going to be, the upper $19 [millions] to the low $20 [millions]. I think that’s where the market is going to be for him.”

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1154615]Charley Casserly weighs in on market value for Kirk Cousins.

This from Jamie Oaks of 247sports.com:

Halfway through the 2016 season, it’s natural to start considering the big decision before the Washington Redskins as it relates to Kirk Cousins.

Playing on the franchise tag this season for $19.95 million, the Redskins have a big decision to make.

Let Cousins hit the open market, sign him longterm, or franchise him again at a staggering $24 million for 2017.

Former Redskins general manager and now NFL analyst Charley Casserly has chimed in on the subject.

“As a player today, to me, [Cousins is] Andy Dalton,” started Casserly on CSN Mid-Atlantic. “Good, solid quarterback but he’s not on the next level. He’s Andy Dalton.”

Dalton is currently playing out a six-year, $96 million deal, averaging $16 million per season, making the Cousins’ contract situation even more complex.

“I tell you what, you don’t want to lose him. So, you franchise him at 24 [million], now he has no incentive to sign, now he’s gambling on 35 [million if franchised for a third time] in the next year.

“My question is this, if he goes to free agency, I don’t see the Jets, the Browns, the Bears paying this guy north of $20 million, north of $50-60 [million] guaranteed.”

With Brock Osweiler earning $18 million a year, where does Cousins fit in?

“I think [Cousins] gets north of that number,” said Casserly when asked about Osweiler’s contract. “If this is the guy that finishes out, the way that he’s going, I don’t think you have a choice. You’re going to have to swallow it and pay him the money."

“I think that’s where the market’s going to be, the upper $19 [millions] to the low $20 [millions]. I think that’s where the market is going to be for him.”[/quote]

I think Casserly is joining in at TW's parties. If KC's numbers stay where they are, or improve, (especially w/o TW in attendance for 4 games), his contract number is going to be 23/year with 80m guaranted, and that's just the starting point. What are the Skins going to do? start all over when you have a qb who is growing more confident and stable each season. I don't think so. And the Skins have never been a cheapskate franchise. Bruce Allen will structure the contract to minimize the impact of the number, although clearly it will have some impact.

If this was a prove it year for KC, so far he's winning that bet.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1154436]ESPN wanted to be cool and make their own QBR that nobody even really cares about. They go based off of many things not just passing stats.

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It is a way, WAY better metric than passer rating, which is an absolutely horrendous stat. If you go 4/4 for 65 yards on a drive in a one-score game in the 4th quarter, that gets you the same passer rating as if you go 4/4 for 65 yards in a drive during garbage time when you're down by 21 points in the fourth quarter.

I can fully and completely explain QBR to anybody interested, it definitely should be used instead of passer rating.

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[quote=Schneed10;1154635]It is a way, WAY better metric than passer rating, which is an absolutely horrendous stat. If you go 4/4 for 65 yards on a drive in a one-score game in the 4th quarter, that gets you the same passer rating as if you go 4/4 for 65 yards in a drive during garbage time when you're down by 21 points in the fourth quarter.

I can fully and completely explain QBR to anybody interested, it definitely should be used instead of passer rating.[/quote]

I admit that I don't understand QBR. Nevertheless, rating Kirk as the 4th most productive QB seems too high to me under any valid system because we have not been a good Red Zone team and Kirk doesn't run very much.

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Kirk is middle of the pack as far as ESPN's QBR goes, 14th currently.

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Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1154646]Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[URL="http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb"]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/URL][/quote]

Damn dude, it's like they write these articles with you in mind. Idk how you manage to find these consistently stupid articles.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1154646]Mike Jones from the Washington Post states that there are some within the redskins organization who still do not believe Cousins is the answer at QB, and are prepared to use "other options" regarding the QB next year:

[url=http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-redskins/report-some-redskins-not-sold-yet-kirk-cousins-their-long-term-qb]Report: Some with Redskins not sold yet on Kirk Cousins as their long-term QB | CSN Mid-Atlantic[/url][/quote]

Jones seems like he's pretty well connected. He's says that there " are some" that still don't think KC is the guy? Hmmm...my guess is this is Dan, Bruce or both. My question is why does a story like this come out mid season? He's getting this info from a source. When I hear shit like I just SMH. Why would someone say anything about KC in the middle of the season when you're trying to get into the playoffs? You would never hear this type of shit coming out of the Patriots camp. Ever.

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I respect Casserly's opinion, he's a sharp guy. But after watching the two last week, KC was clearly the better QB. Plus Dalton has started a lot more games. I just wasn't all that impressed with him, he should have been picked off three times and had a terrible fumble at the end of the game. To me he's slightly below average.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1154649]Jones seems like he's pretty well connected. He's says that there " are some" that still don't think KC is the guy? Hmmm...my guess is this is Dan, Bruce or both. My question is why does a story like this come out mid season? He's getting this info from a source. When I hear shit like I just SMH. Why would someone say anything about KC in the middle of the season when you're trying to get into the playoffs? You would never hear this type of shit coming out of the Patriots camp. Ever.[/quote]

My personal opinion has always been that it is Dan who is not the Cousins fan. To me, Bruce has always struck me as just a more rational extension of Dan, meaning that he does what the owner wants but tries to go about it as smartly and rational as possible. I have stated in the past that I feel his disdain towards Cousins is due more to the fact that "his" pick of QB (RG3) failed spectacularly in the NFL, and less to do with Kirk himself. This will be one of the main reasons IMO that Cousins will not be retained.

As far as who the source might be, my best guess is that it is a player, and not an actual team official. Let's try and remember who has been the most anti-Kirk player wise? DeSean Jackson is kind of the only one who springs to my mind. He knows he wont be here next year, so it could be him leaking to the media...just speculation...

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If they let Kirk walk, its because they have another QB that they want in FA and I doubt that happens. Who will be available?? Kirk will be the guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1154652]If they let Kirk walk, its because they have another QB that they want in FA and I doubt that happens. Who will be available?? Kirk will be the guy[/quote]

Kirk has to be the guy. With a weak draft class available and the even-more-weak free agent class that turns out year after year we really have no choice. Give him 20 mil a year and call it a day. 20 mil seems high but relative to the percentage of the salary cap it will be manageable for us.

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Cousins gonna be a skin for a long time

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People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.

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[quote=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/quote]

Wow, it's almost like this story is making the rounds like he has a source inside the organization saying they don't like Cousins as a long term solution!

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[QUOTE=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/QUOTE]
You mean like part of the article?


[QUOTE]"For right now, Kirk has not done enough to show what you need to see to give that guy $50 million guaranteed," he said. "He's playing like an $18 million quarterback right now."

"Is that your opinion, or have you talked to people in the organization?" Jason Bishop asked.

"That's my educated opinion," Jones responded[/QUOTE]

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1154651]My personal opinion has always been that it is Dan who is not the Cousins fan. To me, Bruce has always struck me as just a more rational extension of Dan, meaning that he does what the owner wants but tries to go about it as smartly and rational as possible. I have stated in the past that I feel his disdain towards Cousins is due more to the fact that "his" pick of QB (RG3) failed spectacularly in the NFL, and less to do with Kirk himself. This will be one of the main reasons IMO that Cousins will not be retained.

As far as who the source might be, my best guess is that it is a player, and not an actual team official. Let's try and remember who has been the most anti-Kirk player wise? DeSean Jackson is kind of the only one who springs to my mind. He knows he wont be here next year, so it could be him leaking to the media...just speculation...[/quote]

I maybe naive, but I do not think it's Dan. Dan does not speak to the media and Mike Jones is a beat reporter. He does not have access to Dan. Tony Wiley would never let a beat reporter close to the owner.

If this report came from someone at ESPN, like Tony C or Wilbon, maybe I could see them having access to Dan.

Maybe Bruce or Scot M, but i don't see them doing it. It is the bye week, it could be a made up story to get clicks on the url.

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[quote=MTK;1154643]Kirk is middle of the pack as far as ESPN's QBR goes, 14th currently.[/quote]

He is 7th in DYAR (overall value) and 9th in DVOA (value per play) over at FO:

[url=http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb]FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2016[/url]

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Here we go again......does anybody really want to save a few million and sink back into the wonderful world of stop gap qb's for 10 years? The guy is fresh off of one of his better games and this shit appears like a fart that has been trapped under the covers all night. Wtf.
We are in a position not only to lock up a top 10 qb in KC (and that will be completely clear by years end), but also to draft a full compliment of players (still a relatively new thing in DC), and have enough cap space to pay our own and maybe add a piece or two to the puzzle. To keep a TEAM together with its coaching staff. Instead lets let him walk, and fuck it all up. Brilliant. This team is right on the cusp of being a true contender. Let it grow!

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[quote=MTK;1154657]People need to read the Jones link a little more carefully. He's offering up his opinion. Take from it what you will.[/quote]

Talking with SS though, he believes they are still unsure of paying him.


Let's throw some more fuel on this fire...lol

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/kirk-cousins-puts-up-great-numbers-that-doesnt-make-him-a-great-quarterback/2016/10/31/ef5460d0-9f99-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html[/url]


Some key points I agree on:

[quote]And all of this means . . . what? The numbers look heavy, but for half a season, they have felt flimsy. Washington is just a middle-of-the-pack scoring team. Cousins still makes too many mistakes and squanders too many opportunities. [/quote]


I also think this is a valid point. Not necessarily that scoring is all on Cousins, but he's left little to desire in red zone efficiency this year.

[quote]This is how you build the case that Cousins is an empty stat collector. This is how you figure he is the creation of Gruden and an offensive staff that runs one of the most clever systems in the NFL. This is how you look at Washington’s poor red-zone performance this season and conclude that the quarterback doesn’t do enough when the passing windows are tighter and daring decision-making and moxie factor into performance.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1154689]Talking with SS though, he believes they are still unsure of paying him.





Let's throw some more fuel on this fire...lol



[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/kirk-cousins-puts-up-great-numbers-that-doesnt-make-him-a-great-quarterback/2016/10/31/ef5460d0-9f99-11e6-8d63-3e0a660f1f04_story.html[/url]





Some key points I agree on:









I also think this is a valid point. Not necessarily that scoring is all on Cousins, but he's left little to desire in red zone efficiency this year.[/QUOTE]



Cousins has not looked flimsy for half the year. That is just false.
It is 90% play calling that is killing us in the red zone.

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[quote=punch it in;1154691]Cousins has not looked flimsy for half the year. That is just false.
It is 90% play calling that is killing us in the red zone.[/quote]


I don't think they said that Cousins looked flimsy for half the year. Here is the actual quote

[quote]The numbers look heavy, but for half a season,[B] they have felt flimsy.[/B][/quote]


In other words, we have a lot of yardage, but they don't equate to points.

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[QUOTE=NC_Skins;1154692]I don't think they said that Cousins looked flimsy for half the year. Here is the actual quote









In other words, we have a lot of yardage, but they don't equate to points.[/QUOTE]



Yup. Our entire issue on offense is rz. I say that is way more on coaches than any player.

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I would probably agree that KC doesn't take enough chances or isn't aggressive enough. There's probably some truth to that. I think in his first few years when he was spot starting, he had more gunslinger in him. But after all the interceptions and getting benched because of them, he plays a lot more conservative.

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Let's think about this logically though. What free agent quarterback would be available next year that is an upgrade from Cousins? I see absolutely nobody. Unless Bill Belichick did the unthinkable and decided to trade an aging Tom Brady (who doesn't appear to be aging by the way), who would the 'skins get? Would you see Dallas trading Romo to Washington? I doubt it. Sanchez to Washington? He couldn't beat out the no-name guy in Denver.

I'm sorry, but you don't have to have an Aaron Rodgers or a Tom Brady to win Super Bowls. Yes, having those guys makes it a heck of a lot easier to win it all, but look at the teams that have won the Super Bowl with less than spectacular quarterbacks. Heck, I don't think Eli Manning is an elite QB and he's won two Super Bowls.

Maybe it's a homer thing to say, but I think Cousins is as good as we can get right now. I think you stick with him for a few more years.