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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195768]Conspiracies or the actual fact of how and why the story leaked?



No context allows some to paint broad strokes...not with me. But please continue your unabashed trump hate.[/QUOTE]



Whatever happened to reap what you sow? Ever since Trump took office it isn’t about who does what but how others find out who did what? Leak leak leak! You know what - dont say or do stupid shit and you dont have to worry about it. Should i tell my daughter to do whatever she has to do in life just cover your tracks? Or tell her to make the correct choices and if you do not than face the consequences?

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1195771]Ha, still speculating? Please no...you are now stating you know obama and what he says in private? FFS punch... He’s infallible...don’t forget to say your prayers to obama before bed tonight....ffs.[/QUOTE]



Never called him perfect Chico. None of us are. Saying someone is classier than Trump isn’t exactly putting them on par with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

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[quote=MTK;1195757]Jesus Christ bro say hello to the deep end[/quote]

Sorry ,but this had me laughing.Thank you.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195758]I am pretty sure Obama's conversation(s) with Farrakhan were all love and peace to all mankind, even whitey.

But of course no msm would release those tapes[/quote]

Fox News would.

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This is from Fox and CNN.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/19/ig-confirms-is-reviewing-whether-strzoks-anti-trump-bias-impacted-launch-russia-probe.html]IG confirms he is reviewing whether Strzok's anti-Trump bias impacted launch of Russia probe | Fox News[/url]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/house-hearing-ig-report/index.html[/url]

[quote=fox]...
“It clearly shows a biased state of mind,” Horowitz said, referring to text messages written as the FBI probe of Hillary Clinton's private email use was wrapping up and the Russia probe was getting underway.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., questioned Horowitz on whether that apparent bias influenced the initiation of the investigation into Russia interference in the 2016 campaign and potential collusion with Trump's team.

[B]“That’s a matter we’ve got under review and are looking at right now,” Horowitz said.[/B]
...
Horowitz testified, in response to Gowdy’s timeline and the texts between Strzok and Page, that the bias found here was “extremely serious.”

“I can’t imagine FBI agents even suggesting that they would use their powers to investigate any candidate for office,” Horowitz said. “I thought this was completely antithetical to the core values of the department and extremely serious.”[/quote]

[quote=cnn]Asked about Strzok's May 2017 text sent the day after Mueller was appointed special counsel — [B]in which Strzok said, "Now I need to fix it and finish it" — Horowitz said he believed the "reasonable inference of that is that he believed he would use his official authority to take action."
But Horowitz would not discuss the actions the FBI had taken in the Russia investigation, saying it was part of an ongoing inspector general probe.[/B][/quote]

Compared to the wall to wall splash of liberal propaganda on the immigration front, you would think this might get a sliver headline on CNN's front page, but I had to use the search function keyword "Strzok" to find their article, to atleast be able to claim fairness. Instead you hear the liberal's all to familiar cry of "but the {hyperventilated breathing} children {heavy sigh}"

Remember when DACA was all about the Children until it turned out the children were now adults. Now liberals are done with them.

(on immigration, moderate democrats - if there are any - need to break ranks, join with moderate republicans and pass a bill that fixes the issues. It's not complicated, but Democrats think they are going to ride the cry of save the children to the ballot box. They just have to find the right group of children. and they may have with this latest propaganda blitz)

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195846]This is from Fox and CNN.

[url=http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/06/19/ig-confirms-is-reviewing-whether-strzoks-anti-trump-bias-impacted-launch-russia-probe.html]IG confirms he is reviewing whether Strzok's anti-Trump bias impacted launch of Russia probe | Fox News[/url]

[url]https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/19/politics/house-hearing-ig-report/index.html[/url]

[/quote]

Ok. Investigation acknowledged.


[quote]
Compared to the wall to wall splash of liberal propaganda on the immigration front, you would think this might get a sliver headline on CNN's front page, but I had to use the search function keyword "Strzok" to find their article, to atleast be able to claim fairness. Instead you hear the liberal's all to familiar cry of "but the {hyperventilated breathing} children {heavy sigh}"

[/quote]
Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.

[quote]
Remember when DACA was all about the Children until it turned out the children were now adults. Now liberals are done with them.
[/quote]

False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.

[quote]
(on immigration, moderate democrats - if there are any - need to break ranks, join with moderate republicans and pass a bill that fixes the issues. It's not complicated, but Democrats think they are going to ride the cry of save the children to the ballot box. They just have to find the right group of children. and they may have with this latest propaganda blitz)[/quote]
[/quote]

Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1195849]Ok. Investigation acknowledged.



Firstly, I don't want to turn this into a young/old generation argument, but do you know the last time I intentionally went to CNN's website to look for news was? It was never. Do you know the last time I had a conversation with my friends about an important piece of coverage that could only be found on CNN? It was never. CNN might be hip with the older libbies, but my generation (at least the 3/10 of us who give a shit about politics) don't give two shits about CNN. Major news will be found on every outlet, most of everything else is hearsay or opinion until it actually happens.



False, I still bring up DACA whenever I can. Trump cancelled the deal because he knew he could use it as leverage in future talks, and if no deal was ever made again about it then he kicks out another 900k immigrants (aka it's a win/win for him). I also still bring up the shit job we've done helping actual Americans in Puerto Rico too, even though the only people I still see talking about it are actual Puerto Ricans with family on the island.


[/quote]

Dems are just as bad, thinking they can appeal to people's hearts and minds on immigration. Some of the right (key distinction there) do not like immigrants, legal or not, and have no wish to see them succeed, or bring family, or do anything that disturbs their vision of utopia. The moderates on both sides could work together, but they won't, because every time voting comes up fear-mongering and panic about giving up the slightest leverage from the minority on both sides win out. It's all about complete wins/total losses for the other side nowadays, bipartisanship feels about as dead as ever. If you work with the opposing side, you risk losing the support that got you elected in the first place.[/QUOTE]

On your comment on CNN, i hear what you are saying, but I would add this, hollywood and the media elites around it feed the stream of liberal talking points throughout the airwaves. So while the obvious politicos channels biases are overt, the mass streaming culture has a heavy subset of the liberal progressive viewpoint.

I strongly agree about the bipartisanship statements.

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He knows the end is coming.He's losing it.




[url]https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/meltdown-duluth-trump-yells-protesters-elites-rally-130345147.html[/url]


Meltdown in Duluth: Trump yells at protesters and 'elites' at rally
Ken Tucker 7 hours ago
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President Trump at a rally in Duluth, Minn. (Photo: Fox News)
Facing resistance from both Republicans and Democrats as well as condemnation from citizens all over the United States, President Trump felt a need to be loved again, so he did what he always does when he needs love — he left his house and did a campaign rally. On Wednesday night, it was in Duluth, Minn., where a crowd turned out to cheer their man. Well, most of them cheered. Twice, Trump paused while security forces ejected protesters. “Get ’em outta here!” Trump roared. While the second one was being given the bum’s rush, Trump sneered, “Go home to your mommy, darling! Get him outta here. Out! Was that a man or a woman? Because he needs a haircut more than I do!” It was like a 1960s flashback, with law-and-order politicians like George Wallace yelling about long-haired hippies.

Trump’s anger at the protesters was revealing. I’ve watched nearly all of his rallies, and he has never been this intent on seeing any sign of protest erased. He really lingered on watching the protesting people being removed from his sight — he stared silently, glaring. It was as though Trump resented any disruption in the last place he can get unconditional love anymore — he feels beleaguered in the current state of his presidency.


At another point, his stream-of-consciousness riffing led him to this nugget about his perceived enemies: “They always call the other side ‘the elites.’ Why are they the elite? I have a much better apartment than they do. I’m smarter than they are. I’m richer than they are. I became president and they didn’t.” Aside from being the sort of childish brag a child would be embarrassed to be caught saying, does someone actually need to tell Trump it’s his side that calls liberals “the elite”?

And when I refer to “his side,” I of course include Fox News, which was airing the rally. Indeed, it was the only cable news outlet to do so, and Fox really wanted you to know it. The channel put this unusual chyron onscreen beneath Trump: “Trump Rally Live & Only on Fox News. Other Networks Ignore Presidential Rally.” I’ll give you the rough translation of that: “Fearless leader speaks: State television must broadcast.”

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[quote=MTK;1195732]Poor Cheeto, always the victim, all he wants to do is win and everyone hates[/quote]

The shit just never stops.






[url]https://therealdeal.com/miami/2018/06/19/russian-buyers-shelled-out-109m-in-cash-for-trump-properties-in-sunny-isles-new-york/#new_tab[/url]



Russian buyers shelled out $109M in cash for Trump properties in Sunny Isles, New York
Some buyers paid more than the assessed market value for their units

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Sad thing is trump is directly hurting his own supporters yet the cult will never admit it.


[url]https://thinkprogress.org/house-republicans-pass-a-farm-bill-that-guts-food-assistance-for-working-families-6183f37b1948/[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1195899]Sad thing is trump is directly hurting his own supporters yet the cult will never admit it.


[url]https://thinkprogress.org/house-republicans-pass-a-farm-bill-that-guts-food-assistance-for-working-families-6183f37b1948/[/url][/quote]

As long as we exist they'll always have someone to blame.

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FFS...

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44570688[/url]

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[QUOTE=MTK;1195901]FFS...

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44570688[/url][/QUOTE]Let them eat cake

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195902]Let them eat cake[/quote]

Sad part is ,that is the true sentiment with them.:doh:

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[quote=Giantone;1195899]Sad thing is trump is directly hurting his own supporters yet the cult will never admit it.


[url]https://thinkprogress.org/house-republicans-pass-a-farm-bill-that-guts-food-assistance-for-working-families-6183f37b1948/[/url][/quote]

Misleading.

You need to look at the numbers...as the economy has comeback there should be a correlation of less government assistance. While there has been some correction...it’s been much less than it should.

So when targeting able body workers...it eliminates two groups, the elderly and kids...the most vulnerable.

Jobs are plentiful and the ability to get a higher education has never been better...lots of different avenues for everyone.

While it may hurt some of trump voters, it’s again showing everyone is responsible for getting out there and changing their own lives. It’s def ok to need assistance every now and then, but the middle class can’t continue to pay for people who simply don’t want to contribute to society.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195907]Misleading.

You need to look at the numbers...as the economy has comeback there should be a correlation of less government assistance. While there has been some correction...it’s been much less than it should.

So when targeting able body workers...it eliminates two groups, the elderly and kids...the most vulnerable.

Jobs are plentiful and the ability to get a higher education has never been better...lots of different avenues for everyone.

While it may hurt some of trump voters, it’s again showing everyone is responsible for getting out there and changing their own lives. It’s def ok to need assistance every now and then, but the middle class can’t continue to pay for people who simply don’t want to contribute to society.[/quote]



Yes your "misleading " spin is wrong on all counts.The fact that you can type that and not throw up after is amazing in it self.

1)The economy is getting better (thanks Obama) but not for the people who are eligible for food stamps , so yeah....BS
2)Jobs are not plentiful and to think so is just wrong and what jobs are available are min wage part time jobs ....again BS
2.b)LOL The cost of an education is still going through the roof and educations loans are not the answer leaving students with decades worth of debt , so yeah more BS on your part.
3) Even here you admit trump is screwing two different victims his own supporters and the middle class in general and it is many of those middle class people that need some help and know people who need that help.

What is funny Chico is you more than any one bitch about false news or fake media and you of all people perpetuate it.

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[quote=Giantone;1195909]Yes your "misleading " spin is wrong on all counts.The fact that you can type that and not throw up after is amazing in it self.

1)The economy is getting better (thanks Obama) [B]but not for the people who are eligible for food stamps , so yeah....BS[/B]2)Jobs are not plentiful and to think so is just wrong and what jobs are available are min wage part time jobs ....again BS
2.b)LOL The cost of an education is still going through the roof and educations loans are not the answer leaving students with decades worth of debt , so yeah more BS on your part.
3) Even here you admit trump is screwing two different victims his own supporters and the middle class in general and it is many of those middle class people that need some help and know people who need that help.

What is funny Chico is you more than any one bitch about false news or fake media and you of all people perpetuate it.[/quote]

1. This is completely absurd...the job growth has been equitable in every sector and that's what has gotten economist excited.

2. I'm not talking traditional College...the availability to learn online, at night, on weekends through community college, trade schools, internships, specialty programs, etc. in communities all across the country...urban, suburban, rural... G1, you really need to open eyes here, why are they shut?

3. Like I said, trump isn't playing favorites when he pulled the farm bill benefits. yes...everyone has to contribute, whats wrong with that?

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LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:

[IMG]http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/timecover_trumpmigrantgirl.jpg?itok=2C9XFhY8[/IMG]

full fledged fake news, [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-says-little-honduran-girl-time-cover-not-024329900.html"]Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother[/URL]

[quote]Valera said the little girl and her mother, Sandra Sanchez, have been detained together in the Texas border town of McAllen, where Sanchez has applied for asylum, and they were not separated after being detained near the border.

Honduran deputy foreign minister Nelly Jerez confirmed Valera's version of events.[/quote]

I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195915]LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:

[IMG]http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/timecover_trumpmigrantgirl.jpg?itok=2C9XFhY8[/IMG]

full fledged fake news, [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-says-little-honduran-girl-time-cover-not-024329900.html"]Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother[/URL]



I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.[/quote]
So tell me what is the difference between this pic and trumps fake claims about his rally's and swearing in crowed sizes?

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPZ1UmHEEdc[/url]

I all so don't see anything on the cover that says she was ?Does it imply it yes but does it say it, no. The picture makes you assume and that was it's job.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195911]1. This is completely absurd...the job growth has been equitable in every sector and that's what has gotten economist excited.

2. I'm not talking traditional College...the availability to learn online, at night, on weekends through community college, trade schools, internships, specialty programs, etc. in communities all across the country...urban, suburban, rural... G1, you really need to open eyes here, why are they shut?

3. Like I said, trump isn't playing favorites when he pulled the farm bill benefits. yes...everyone has to contribute, whats wrong with that?[/quote]


1) BS and you know it!Employers are not hiring,they said they would but have not done so.
2)Again the ignorance you show is staggering , the people he is hurting don't get or can't afford the opportunities you list.
3) this goes back to a previous post where you claim you don't support trump. Everyone must ,no, you said "has to contribute" right , well trump isn't the top 2% aren't the Middle class and the poor are...................chico no matter how you spin to make yourself feel better it's wrong and you know it.

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[quote=Giantone;1195917]1) BS and you know it!Employers are not hiring,they said they would but have not done so.
2)Again the ignorance you show is staggering , the people he is hurting don't get or can't afford the opportunities you list.
3) this goes back to a previous post where you claim you don't support trump. Everyone must ,no, you said "has to contribute" right , well trump isn't the top 2% aren't the Middle class and the poor are...................chico no matter how you spin to make yourself feel better it's wrong and you know it.[/quote]

G1 you are just refusing to look at the facts. Im sorry you hate the economy and education opportunities that are available.

I guess you rather rob me and other middle class folks who wake up to go to work every day. Its just easier to be a socialist.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195915]LOL msm showed it's power with this image and it's also untruthfulness:

[IMG]http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/timecover_trumpmigrantgirl.jpg?itok=2C9XFhY8[/IMG]

full fledged fake news, [URL="https://www.yahoo.com/news/father-says-little-honduran-girl-time-cover-not-024329900.html"]Father says little Honduran girl on Time cover was not taken from mother[/URL]



I was impressed Yahoo actually posted this as a frontline item. I am sure CNN will eventually put it on somewhere buried.[/quote]


Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.

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[quote=MTK;1195919]Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.[/quote]

What creates people hating the US, in my opinion, is giving false hope. I know the point that the media and liberals were trying to make, and [B]it was as much a lie as that picture[/B]. We aren't putting kids in concentration camps. And if a person commits an illegal act in any US state, they are going to be separated from their kids. We have a legal process for immigration, and every country has an absolute right to establish immigration processes.

As a generalized statement, liberals want pure open borders, and that isn't available by any other country in the world.

I actually support a very generous LEGAL immigration policy, but that's up to Congress to write the laws. I fault both parties, and the past 2 presidents in not dealing with this issue. I think Trump made a reasonable effort to establish 4 basic guidelines and told Congress to work it out. Congress hasn't been able to work out anything, and in the case of the House, the Republicans just want to bicker rather than pass any effective measure.

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Is it ok if even one child is not reunited with their family?? I say no.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-chaotic-effort-to-reunite-immigrant-parents-with-their-separated-kids/2018/06/21/325cceb2-7563-11e8-bda1-18e53a448a14_story.html?utm_term=.4fd0326d2309[/URL]

A lot of these kids are going to be fucked up

[URL="http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-separating-children-psychology-20180620-story.html"]The long-lasting health effects of separating children from their parents at the U.S. border[/URL]

We're talking about children here folks, we need to be doing the right thing, this is not it

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[quote=MTK;1195919]Good, I'm glad she wasn't taken from her family. Honestly though I could care less if they used a picture of a kid that was really taken or not. That's not the point and you know it. It doesn't change the big picture that kids should not be taken away from their families. All we're doing is creating more people that will grow up hating the US.[/quote]

So as long as falsifying the means to get to the ends its just fine?

Don't you think some sort of context should be added to get an accurate report to the readers? A Time story recounting the photographer’s experience initially stated the girl was carried away screaming by border agents, and[B] later corrected the article to say that the two were taken away together[/B]

They had to correct it...because it was certainly fake news. And they exploited the picture for political gains. SHAMEFUL

And you do understand where there is an issue with fake news? Major publications are participating in it (such as this)...and your ok with it as long as it supports the image you like.

This whole immigration was a fuckin dog and pony show and the left bought it.

Its been confirmed Obama separated families, its been confirmed these detention centers are years old and not brand new, built for the Trump policy, its been confirmed approx. 80% of children are sent alone without parents to travel long distances with cartel supported, human trafficking networks.....YET ZERO PROBLEM BEFORE THE DOG AND PONY SHOW.



Where the fuck is Mexico in this, oh their complicit as usual because remittance to support their economy is their only fucking concern. fuck the kids, fuck the human traffickers...that perfectly fine with them. You talk about a heartless government...Mexico is tops on that list.

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I don't care who's watch this shit started on, it's in Trump's lap now, and it's his dumpster fire to fix.

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[quote=Chico23231;1195918]G1 you are just refusing to look at the facts. Im sorry you hate the economy and education opportunities that are available.

I guess you rather rob me and other middle class folks who wake up to go to work every day. Its just easier to be a socialist.[/quote]



Ahhhhh here we go,LOL...poor poor me.You are allowing trump to screw over the lower and middle class all becuase it does not directly affect you(supposedly)! I refuse to look at "alternative facts" or as the real word calls them ....lies. Seems that is all you live by.

Please post where it is I said I "hate the economy and the education opportunities available"? Again a great example of you and your trump like "alternative facts".

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[quote=Chico23231;1195922]So as long as falsifying the means to get to the ends its just fine?

Don't you think some sort of context should be added to get an accurate report to the readers? A Time story recounting the photographer’s experience initially stated the girl was carried away screaming by border agents, and[B] later corrected the article to say that the two were taken away together[/B]

They had to correct it...because it was certainly fake news. And they exploited the picture for political gains. SHAMEFUL

And you do understand where there is an issue with fake news? Major publications are participating in it (such as this)...and your ok with it as long as it supports the image you like.

This whole immigration was a fuckin dog and pony show and the left bought it.

Its been confirmed Obama separated families, its been confirmed these detention centers are years old and not brand new, built for the Trump policy, its been confirmed approx. 80% of children are sent alone without parents to travel long distances with cartel supported, human trafficking networks.....YET ZERO PROBLEM BEFORE THE DOG AND PONY SHOW.



Where the fuck is Mexico in this, oh their complicit as usual because remittance to support their economy is their only fucking concern. fuck the kids, fuck the human traffickers...that perfectly fine with them. You talk about a heartless government...Mexico is tops on that list.[/quote] I love how that you expect no mistakes, you expect perfection ,you expect more from the media than you do your president,you need to sit back and reflect on that.You make accusations that Obama did this ,so your saying Obama was doing this and Republicans sat on it,I don't understand I thought it was you contention Obama was soft on illegal immigration ,what is it?You say confirmed please post a reliable link?You know for a guy who claims he doesn't like or support trump you sure as hell defend everything he does.........a lot.

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[quote=MTK;1195921]Is it ok if even one child is not reunited with their family?? I say no.

[URL]https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-chaotic-effort-to-reunite-immigrant-parents-with-their-separated-kids/2018/06/21/325cceb2-7563-11e8-bda1-18e53a448a14_story.html?utm_term=.4fd0326d2309[/URL]

A lot of these kids are going to be fucked up

[URL="http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-separating-children-psychology-20180620-story.html"]The long-lasting health effects of separating children from their parents at the U.S. border[/URL]

We're talking about children here folks, we need to be doing the right thing, this is not it[/quote]

OH NO IT"S DA CHILDREN

The liberals last line of defense - you are gonna hurt da children.

Then tell the countries not to encourage illegal migration here. Tell them to actually use the foreign aid we send them to help improve their countries. Again, no other country just allows open ended migration into theirs at the rate that comes across our borders. Germany might be the closest, but they have strict rules and conditions for anyone entering.

Take a child and try to enter illegally in France or Italy and see what happens.

This is from Pres Obama's term:
[IMG]http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/RTR3UIYE.jpg[/IMG]

Again, the liberal lies and hyperbole around this subject only serve to inflame the more severe elements in the Republican party. You can't demonize one side or the other and expect to have rational debate that results in sound policy. The republicans tried it around the Affordable Care Act, and democrats are trying it here.

There are ways to solve this problem, but saying ITS DA CHILDREN simply prevents adults from acting responsibly.

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[quote=MTK;1195923]I don't care who's watch this shit started on, it's in Trump's lap now, and it's his dumpster fire to fix.[/quote]

Trumps dumpster fire - Obama's economy.

Gotta love liberals

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[quote=Giantone;1195925]I love how that you expect no mistakes, you expect perfection ,you expect more from the media than you do your president,you need to sit back and reflect on that.You make accusations that Obama did this ,so your saying Obama was doing this and Republicans sat on it,I don't understand I thought it was you contention Obama was soft on illegal immigration ,what is it?You say confirmed please post a reliable link?You know for a guy who claims he doesn't like or support trump you sure as hell defend everything he does.........a lot.[/quote]

Jeez, I don't expect propaganda from major news sources...Im sick of the fake news mantra, but damn it, its ammunition every week. They cannot be trusted and proven to be extremely bias.

There's pictures and links of the Obama administration doing the samething as the Trump administration...the fuckin point is the media and snowflakes blatantly look the other way.

Actually Obama deported more illegals than Bush....you didn't have a problem with that did you?

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[quote=Chico23231;1195928]

There's pictures and links of the Obama administration doing the samething as the Trump administration...the fuckin point is the media and snowflakes blatantly look the other way?[/quote]

Then why didn't you and your anti Obama cult show them then?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195926]OH NO IT"S DA CHILDREN

The liberals last line of defense - you are gonna hurt da children.

Then tell the countries not to encourage illegal migration here. Tell them to actually use the foreign aid we send them to help improve their countries. Again, no other country just allows open ended migration into theirs at the rate that comes across our borders. Germany might be the closest, but they have strict rules and conditions for anyone entering.

Take a child and try to enter illegally in France or Italy and see what happens.

This is from Pres Obama's term:
[IMG]http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/RTR3UIYE.jpg[/IMG]

Again, the liberal lies and hyperbole around this subject only serve to inflame the more severe elements in the Republican party. You can't demonize one side or the other and expect to have rational debate that results in sound policy. The republicans tried it around the Affordable Care Act, and democrats are trying it here.

There are ways to solve this problem, but saying ITS DA CHILDREN simply prevents adults from acting responsibly.[/quote]
The pic was proven false,try again,try a real news organisation?

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trumpenomics...................


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/week-trumponomics-trump-trade-war-starts-hurt-161250141.html[/url]


Fuck the american people, thanks trump.


[url]https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/769c69ab-5c48-38d7-8ae5-c1792719090d/china-is-slamming-the-us-with.html[/url]

Re: When is Enough ,Enough?
 

[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195926]OH NO IT"S DA CHILDREN

The liberals last line of defense - you are gonna hurt da children.

Then tell the countries not to encourage illegal migration here. Tell them to actually use the foreign aid we send them to help improve their countries. Again, no other country just allows open ended migration into theirs at the rate that comes across our borders. Germany might be the closest, but they have strict rules and conditions for anyone entering.

Take a child and try to enter illegally in France or Italy and see what happens.

This is from Pres Obama's term:


Again, the liberal lies and hyperbole around this subject only serve to inflame the more severe elements in the Republican party. You can't demonize one side or the other and expect to have rational debate that results in sound policy. The republicans tried it around the Affordable Care Act, and democrats are trying it here.

There are ways to solve this problem, but saying ITS DA CHILDREN simply prevents adults from acting responsibly.[/quote]

Screw the children I guess. But that's been the case for a while now since we have refused to take action in regard to school shootings, or how the right hates social welfare programs.

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Crossing over to the things that unite us thread, I would think issues involving the safety and well being of kids (no matter where they come from or how they got here) would be something that would unite us, apparently not. As Donny Cheeto says... sad!

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[quote=Giantone;1195930]The pic was proven false,try again,try a real news organisation?[/quote]

A Link to back up my statement..............



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-real-news-obama-didnt-separate-90-000-164448924.html[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1195930]The pic was proven false,try again,try a real news organisation?[/quote]

Ok how about CNN stating that picture was from 2014.
[quote]A photograph showing [URL="https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/18/us/photo-migrant-child-cage-trnd/index.html"]two immigrant children sleeping in a fenced enclosure[/URL], which sparked outrage when it surfaced last month, turned out to have been taken in an Arizona detention facility in 2014.[/quote]

That picture was absolutely from the 2014 era rules of Pres. Obama

I am not defending either side, but I'm asking Congress ALL 535 members work together (shocking I know) to set aside name calling, demonization, saying one side hates kids, or one side wants to flood the US, etc, and work TOGETHER to develop a rational, sane, law.

I wouldn't think that would spark outrage.

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[quote=MTK;1195933]Crossing over to the things that unite us thread, I would think issues involving the safety and well being of kids (no matter where they come from or how they got here) would be something that would unite us, apparently not. As Donny Cheeto says... sad![/quote]

Using children as pawns in political battles should [U][B]not[/B][/U] unite us. Demonizing one side or the other should [B][U]not[/U][/B] unite us. Saying one side hates children should [B][U]not[/U][/B] unite us.

If you show me that these kids safety was endangered, yes I agree, and any DHS personnel who hurt or abuse kids should be fired. BUT, not having every amenity a US citizen might have, isn't the same as having abusing or endangering children. Unlike what the lying media has put out there, these aren't concentration camps, these are centers that must abide by US regulations and safety laws. I would be willing to lay a wager that most of these children have better hygiene standards and water and toilet facilities then the lands they left.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1195937]Ok how about CNN stating that picture was from 2014. [/quote]

OK what about it, Obama didn't take those kids from their parent and they had crossed the boarder by themselves ,do I like it but it was Arizona the same place that liked the racist sheriff that trump pardon . Read your own link.Saying that Obama did the same thing is absolute BS and you know it. trumpettes are so determine to show trump in a good light they themselves can't see shit.As I agreed to with chico Obama sent back more illegals than any president but hey that was a fact that was ignored during the election wasn't it? Like it or not not the same thing!



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/not-real-news-obama-didnt-separate-90-000-164448924.html[/url]

The claim, published on a conservative website, was repeated on social media throughout the week as President Donald Trump faced criticism over his administration's "zero tolerance" immigration policy, which has left more than 2,300 children separated from their parents at the U.S. border since May.

The false claim appears to stem from a January 2016 Senate subcommittee report that investigated how the Department of Health and Human Services, under the Obama administration, placed thousands of unaccompanied children illegally entering the country.

The subcommittee report found that from October 2013 through 2015 the federal agency placed nearly 90,000 children with a sponsor, after they were detained at the border without a legal guardian. The majority of those sponsors, the report found, were a parent or legal guardian living in the country. No specific numbers were provided in the report. HHS did not respond to the AP's request for that information.