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13th or 14th pick Have to flip a coin with Green Bay

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[QUOTE=SolidSnake84;1184732]After watching him so closely over the past seasons while he has been our starter, I have came to a few conclusions that may or not be agreed on with other posters here.

I do not think Kirk is in "elite" status like Brady or Brees, etc., but I think that he is VERY GOOD, and easily a top 10 NFL QB. My impression of him is that he is a very, very high level game manager. I think he needs to have an above average team around him for him to win a super bowl. That being said, Kirk wins a lot of games in the NFL.

I am kind of shocked at seeing so many posts on other boards (Not really here) where they can't wait for someone else to come in at QB. And I'm like, really? We might be walking away from a guy who routinely puts up 30 TD's and is among the best in passing yards, etc.. Kirk is easily the best QB that we've had here IMO since Brad Johnson, and while we are the team that is known for making stupid moves, letting Cousins go has to be the all time stupidest.[/QUOTE]The stupidest move was not signing him two years ago.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1184732]After watching him so closely over the past seasons while he has been our starter, I have came to a few conclusions that may or not be agreed on with other posters here.

I do not think Kirk is in "elite" status like Brady or Brees, etc., but I think that he is VERY GOOD, and easily a top 10 NFL QB. My impression of him is that he is a very, very high level game manager. I think he needs to have an above average team around him for him to win a super bowl. That being said, Kirk wins a lot of games in the NFL.

I am kind of shocked at seeing so many posts on other boards (Not really here) where they can't wait for someone else to come in at QB. And I'm like, really? We might be walking away from a guy who routinely puts up 30 TD's and is among the best in passing yards, etc.. Kirk is easily the best QB that we've had here IMO since Brad Johnson, and while we are the team that is known for making stupid moves, letting Cousins go has to be the all time stupidest.[/quote]

Wow. I agree with you Solidsnake. Well done.

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[quote=Randall Nestor;1184735]13th or 14th pick Have to flip a coin with Green Bay[/quote]

This is fake news. Actually, really legit fake news. Give me one credible source, that's all I ask for. Only coin flip picks I've seen so far is ESPN saying the 49ers and Raiders have to flip.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1184741]This is fake news. Actually, really legit fake news. Give me one credible source, that's all I ask for. Only coin flip picks I've seen so far is ESPN saying the 49ers and Raiders have to flip.[/QUOTE]



NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: With playoffs set, so are top 20 teams in 2018 NFL Draft [url]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/31/with-playoffs-set-so-are-top-20-teams-in-2018-nfl-draft/[/url]

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Hmmm, wonder what one is right. Does anyone know the date they'll make this coin toss?

[url]https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/12/31/16831750/nfl-draft-2018-order-picks-selection[/url]

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Bye kirk.

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[url]https://www.hogshaven.com/2018/1/1/16837970/its-time-for-the-redskins-and-kirk-cousins-to-sign-the-divorce-papers[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1184742]NBC Sports - ProFootballTalk: With playoffs set, so are top 20 teams in 2018 NFL Draft [url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/31/with-playoffs-set-so-are-top-20-teams-in-2018-nfl-draft/]With playoffs set, so are top 20 teams in 2018 NFL Draft – ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Well damn. I stand corrected.

Also I was going off this article I read on ESPN, you'd think they would do their homework. Idk what to believe now.

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21926282/2018-nfl-draft-order-top-32-picks-week-17-2017]2018 NFL draft order top 32 picks after Week 17 of 2017[/url]

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D-rave, idw read into bad omens too much, but damn that seems like a bad omen. No reason to do that if you think you will be coming back.

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[QUOTE=mooby;1184752]D-rave, idw read into bad omens too much, but damn that seems like a bad omen. No reason to do that if you think you will be coming back.[/QUOTE]He did it last year too. His Twitter never has had much redskins info.

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[url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/woody-redskins-decision-on-cousins-isn-t-that-difficult-it/article_c895b5f3-169c-53df-8323-54e84740343a.html]WOODY: Redskins' decision on Cousins isn't that difficult: It's time to let him go | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url]

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Whatever the decision is about Kirk, I just hope it comes quickly. This drama is so freak-en old and tired at this point.
I think he's going to walk, and when that happens the Redskins are going to get their much deserved Super Bowl award for being the worst managed NFL Team in the league. Cousin's walking will be the crowning achievement that started with RG3, moved it's way through McLoven and will end in Cousin's walking, and that will allow us to steal the Super Bowl award out of the hands of Cleveland, or the Bears for worst managed NFL team.

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[quote=rickmmrr;1184803][B]Whatever the decision is about Kirk, I just hope it comes quickly. This drama is so freak-en old and tired at this point. [/B]
I think he's going to walk, and when that happens the Redskins are going to get their much deserved Super Bowl award for being the worst managed NFL Team in the league. Cousin's walking will be the crowning achievement that started with RG3, moved it's way through McLoven and will end in Cousin's walking, and that will allow us to steal the Super Bowl award out of the hands of Cleveland, or the Bears for worst managed NFL team.[/quote]

I 100% agree. The last couple seasons of anticipating a long term deal only to mismanage it by first denying the counter offer of 19 mil per from 17 and then the horrendous low ball offer last year.

Don't do this to Cousins or the fanbase another year. Make a decision and move on.

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Kirk won't walk, Bruce will let him go as I've said for 2 years now.. He doesn't want Kirk and if he did this shit wouldn't the way it is today. They don't see KC as an Elite QB IMO and eventually we'll be past this drama and on to some other QB next yr.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184799][url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/woody-redskins-decision-on-cousins-isn-t-that-difficult-it/article_c895b5f3-169c-53df-8323-54e84740343a.html]WOODY: Redskins' decision on Cousins isn't that difficult: It's time to let him go | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url][/quote]

Solid argument.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1184811]Solid argument.[/quote]

It is but I disagree with starting Mccoy

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[quote=Chico23231;1184805]I 100% agree. The last couple seasons of anticipating a long term deal only to mismanage it by first denying the counter offer of 19 mil per from 17 and then the horrendous low ball offer last year.

Don't do this to Cousins or the fanbase another year. Make a decision and move on.[/quote]

I too agree, but you just know it won't happen. It will come down to the last minute on Feb 15th or whatever the franchise date is, and you'll hear all this speculation leak out, just like every year.

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The road to the Super Bowl is structured in a way that when you get to the playoffs, each person on your team has to go out and deliver their best game ever. Each player has to rise to the occasion for those games. So not only does each player have to plow through and perform through an entire season they also have to have the qualities that enable them to give their best in the playoffs. Gibbs one and even Gibbs two (in a slightly lesser degree) was able to bring that out in all of his players. He is an extraordinary individual and a great coach.

With Kirk we've seen that he is capable of plowing through the season and giving a good performance, however when it comes to the games where you have to rise to the occasion and perform extra-ordinary so far he has not delivered. The two end year Giant games and the Green Bay playoff game are proof of that. We can kind of give him a pass for the Breen Bay game because it was his first one, but he gets no pass for both Giant games.

Cousin's needs to show us that he possesses that extra-ordinary quality. So far he has not.

That being said, if you wrapped a bunch of players around Cousin's that are talented and have that extra-ordinary quality, then we could win a Super Bowl with Cousins.

However, if you have a QB that does possess that extra-ordinary quality, where they perform at their best in the playoffs, they can overcome other deficiencies on the team.

So I'm not saying anything that has not been said before. I just wanted to point out that because of the way the NFL works, it's not enough to create great stats. during the year. Your team has to possess that extra-ordinary quality to get to the Super Bowl.

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Kevin O’Connell promoted to OC, turns down Chip Kelly.

[url]https://247sports.com/nfl/washington-redskins/Bolt/Kevin-OConnell-turns-down-Chip-Kelly-gets-title-promotion-113085554[/url]

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/02/jay-gruden-kirk-cousins-is-a-very-good-qb-but-were-7-9/]Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins is a very good QB, but we’re 7-9 – ProFootballTalk[/url]

welcome to another offseason of this

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[quote=Chico23231;1184826][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/01/02/jay-gruden-kirk-cousins-is-a-very-good-qb-but-were-7-9/]Jay Gruden: Kirk Cousins is a very good QB, but we’re 7-9 – ProFootballTalk[/url]

welcome to another offseason of this[/quote]

He's gone, this was the final straw.He basically said Kirk killed us in some games.

“When you’re 7-9, you know it’s hard to say, ‘Wow, this guy really was outstanding,’” Gruden said. “Kirk had his flashes where he was really good. From a consistent standpoint, over the course of 16 games, you know, we’re 7-9. He did some great things, threw for over 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns. So I think he’s a very, very good quarterback without a doubt, but as far as getting us over the hump from 7-9 to winning a division with all the injuries that we had, I think he competed and did some good things.”


Yeah he's done in DC.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184827]He's gone, this was the final straw.He basically said Kirk killed us in some games.

“When you’re 7-9, you know it’s hard to say, ‘Wow, this guy really was outstanding,’” Gruden said. “Kirk had his flashes where he was really good. From a consistent standpoint, over the course of 16 games, you know, we’re 7-9. He did some great things, threw for over 4,000 yards and 29 touchdowns. So I think he’s a very, very good quarterback without a doubt, but as far as getting us over the hump from 7-9 to winning a division with all the injuries that we had, I think he competed and did some good things.”


[B]Yeah he's done in DC[/B].[/quote]

If he can't handle an honest assessment, then he should be done in DC.

Nothing Gruden said was incorrect. Cousins was overall good this year. But that Giants game on Sunday was terrible. Any honest, comprehensive assessment of his year has to mention that.

He had ups, he had downs. He was not great. He was good.

Gruden's right on the mark and if Cousins can't handle that then don't let the door hit ya.

But he can handle it. And he'd probably tell you the same thing.

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[quote=Schneed10;1184829]If he can't handle an honest assessment, then he should be done in DC.

Nothing Gruden said was incorrect. Cousins was overall good this year. But that Giants game on Sunday was terrible. Any honest, comprehensive assessment of his year has to mention that.

He had ups, he had downs. He was not great. He was good.

Gruden's right on the mark and if Cousins can't handle that then don't let the door hit ya.

But he can handle it. And he'd probably tell you the same thing.[/quote]


He's right to a point,but the "we're 7-9" quote is weak IMO... So you are basically saying the QB is the main reason for 7-9, when the whole team was injured and the guy had nobody to throw too... If I'm KC I'd want out, all of the reports over the years of him not feeling wanted appear to be true now. Maybe Jay and Bruce both want a new QB next yr.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184832]He's right to a point,but the "we're 7-9" quote is weak IMO... [B]So you are basically saying the QB is the main reason for 7-9[/B], when the whole team was injured and the guy had nobody to throw too... If I'm KC I'd want out, all of the reports over the years of him not feeling wanted appear to be true now. Maybe Jay and Bruce both want a new QB next yr.[/quote]

Yeah, that's not at all what he's saying. You're reading into his comments and not hearing what he actually said.

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[quote=Schneed10;1184833]Yeah, that's not at all what he's saying. You're reading into his comments and not hearing what he actually said.[/quote]

Maybe so, I didn't watch the video

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184799][url=http://www.richmond.com/redskins-xtra/woody-redskins-decision-on-cousins-isn-t-that-difficult-it/article_c895b5f3-169c-53df-8323-54e84740343a.html]WOODY: Redskins' decision on Cousins isn't that difficult: It's time to let him go | Redskins XTRA | richmond.com[/url][/quote]

This is pretty much how I feel. Cousins is never going to be an elite player. I believe GM Scot was correct in saying Cousins has pretty much hit his ceiling. He deserves to have a long term deal because he's earned that. But it should be in the area where his salary is currently at. But 27-30 million a year for Cousins is too much. I don't see not only the Redskins paying that much, but anyone else....

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I honestly hope Cousins is resigned here to a long term deal...not on the tag...but I do not think this is going to happen. Watching that Oklahoma/Georgia game last night, all I could see was Snyder salivating over Baker Mayfield...he just seems to love that type of cocky flashy player that he is, and I would think there's a good chance he'll be available when the Redskins pick and Snyder would insist on drafting him.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184834]Maybe so, I didn't watch the video[/quote]

I did watch the video. He wasn't saying that.

He said Kirk is a very very good quarterback. Passed for 4000 yards and 29 TDs, so he's done some very good things.

But he mentioned consistency and facing some adversity.

Basically 100% right on, accurate, and honest while being careful to make just enough excuses (injuries around him) to avoid appearing like he was killing Cousins in the media.

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I don't know, maybe we should go the Alex Smith route since it seems like he's on his way out of KC.

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[quote=metalskins;1184844]I don't know, maybe we should go the Alex Smith route since it seems like he's on his way out of KC.[/quote]

I would take him over any other QB's in FA. Then draft a guy

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184846]I would take him over any other QB's in FA. Then draft a guy[/quote]

Definitely agree on both accounts. At this point, I'm so sick of hearing about Kirk Cousins. I like the guy, he's a solid quarterback and good person, but at this point, I think I'm ready for the band aid to be ripped off so that the team can move forward.

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[quote=metalskins;1184847]Definitely agree on both accounts. At this point, I'm so sick of hearing about Kirk Cousins. I like the guy, he's a solid quarterback and good person, but at this point, I think I'm ready for the band aid to be ripped off so that the team can move forward.[/quote]

Media doesn't just throw out predictions and reports blindly, they know some truth behind the scenes and KC won't be back next yr, only If BA is gone as I keep saying. That wont happen

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Deadspin gave Cousins the QB of the Week award week 17

[url]https://deadspin.com/bad-quarterback-performance-of-the-week-kirk-cousins-i-1821698532[/url]

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1184850][B]Media doesn't just throw out predictions and reports blindly[/B], they know some truth behind the scenes and KC won't be back next yr, only If BA is gone as I keep saying. That wont happen[/quote]

:nono:

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I still can see both sides.

If you sign him long term, I truly believe that for the length of that contract you won't make it past the 2nd round of the playoffs. And if you don't sign him long term you may not even find another QB as good as he is for 10 more years.

Such is the frustrating life of the Redskins fan. Just good enough to get you beat.

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[QUOTE=metalskins;1184844]I don't know, maybe we should go the Alex Smith route since it seems like he's on his way out of KC.[/QUOTE]


What would you be willing to give up in a trade? If the Chiefs are serious about trading him there will definitely be several teams interested.

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Not sure why you'd trade for Alex when you can get a Teddy Bridgewater or Sam Bradford on the free agent market.

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[quote=Schneed10;1184856]Not sure why you'd trade for Alex when you can get a Teddy Bridgewater or Sam Bradford on the free agent market.[/quote]

or Tyrod Taylor.

And if we move from Cousins, FFS, get a fucking QB in the draft. We have zero young QBs on the roster developing. It doesn't have to be a number 1 if we don't feel like they are worth it...but get a decent young QB prospect on the roster.