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I waited until now to vote. I hit yes I do approve of the trade. We got a fair comparison in QB play to Cousins without having the break the bank. Signing Cousins to a mega contract would have been a huge mistake in my opinion. I do not think Cousins is worth 28-31mil/yr. Not even close.

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[quote=SkinsGuru;1188357]well . . . first . . . "its not about the money" . . . complete lie . . . thats all its about with him.

then, i want to be a redskin for life . . . he has said that . . . said he hopes to be here . . . told players he looked forward to playing with them next year . . . then doesn't even negotiate or talk to the team . . . he has zero clue how much the redskins would have been willing to offer . . . in negotiations the team should always start low . . .then you get a counter . . . that counter never occurred to see what they really would have paid him . . . had he, and they countered his counter with a fair deal and he didn't take it he would have lost credibility . . . so he didn't counter and all the fans see was the initial offer . . . which OF COURSE is going to be low as thats how negotiations work[/quote]

First, show me where Kirk actually said: "It's not about the money". Not just a click-bait title to an article where he didn't actually say it. Listen to the interview in question.

Second, we know how much Cousins and his agent offered to play per year for the Skins in 2015: $19.5 mil. Allen and Snyder turned it down.

That convoluted mess you imagine contract negotiations between the Skins FO and Cousins to be.... where the onus is on Cousins... pure fantasy.

Here's an account of the negotiations in preseason 2017.

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bruce-allen-redskins-offered-kirk-cousins-53-million-but-he-prefers-franchise-tag/"]LINK[/URL]

Seems to jibe with what else I've read, would love MTK, Scheed, others weigh on this story. TL-DR: Sure looks to me like the SKins FO lowballed Kirk again.


[quote=SkinsGuru;1188357]the truth would be . . . i can't stand ownership, front office, team, etc. and want to move onto another team that will pay me tons of money . . . i hate the way i was treated . . . etc. etc. etc. . . . but he never said anything close to that . . . no, all he ever said was i would love to be here . . . we are moving in the right direction and i look forward to playing her next year . . . all BULLSHIT

and another thing . . . he claims GOD told him to do this, to do that . . . that is BS too . . . he cannot be the uber perfect religious boy and then go tell lie after lie . . . it just doesn't work that way[/quote]

So not trashing the team he's on, and negotiating with, even complimenting them, is "BULLSHIT"?

Lmao, Cousins took the high road, unlike Allen if you agree with the link I posted. Cousins should be complimented for that.

Again, when did Cousins lie? A player can want to be on a team while not wanting to play for less than market value.

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It's water under the bridge at this point. I was listening to 106.7 yesterday and Smith said that "he's jacked to be here." To me that was very refreshing to hear. We finally have a guy who wants to play here.

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I’m so exhausted by this blame game people want to play. Shit didn’t work out, both sides have to share some blame. Time to move on. Smith is our QB.

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On to Smith, was Scot with the niners when he was drafted? I thought Scot was the one that selected him right?

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1188385]On to Smith, was Scot with the niners when he was drafted? I thought Scot was the one that selected him right?[/QUOTE]


Yes Smith is a McC guy

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[quote=MTK;1188387]Yes Smith is a McC guy[/quote]

Then we all should be sold! lol

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Lol

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[quote=MTK;1188382]I’m so exhausted by this blame game people want to play. Shit didn’t work out, both sides have to share some blame. Time to move on. Smith is our QB.[/quote]

Yop, so what about this Cooley Film Breakdown of our new QB Alex Smith ?!

[url]http://cdn.stationcaster.com/stations/wtem/media/mpeg/02_12_18_Cooley___Kevin_HR_4-1518451131.mp3[/url]

Long story short:

-Negatives: less good of a pocket passer than Kirk, tends to escape the pocket early... but does so trying to take shots down the field. Also less effective than Kirk in the medium range passing game.

-Positives: very effective in the short AND long passing game. Very accurate down the field. Likes to take shots on 50/50 balls. Better athlete than Kirk.

And most of all: DOESN'T THROW PICKS!
He had 5 picks all year, none of them in the redzone. Cooley broke them all down: 1 tipped ball, 2 do or die throws that he forced (on 4th down and late in a game when it was their last chance) and 2 bad throws.

If we can adjust our offense to Alex's strengths, we'll be juuust fine!

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[quote=HailGreen28;1188372]First, show me where Kirk actually said: "It's not about the money". Not just a click-bait title to an article where he didn't actually say it. Listen to the interview in question.

Second, we know how much Cousins and his agent offered to play per year for the Skins in 2015: $19.5 mil. Allen and Snyder turned it down.

That convoluted mess you imagine contract negotiations between the Skins FO and Cousins to be.... where the onus is on Cousins... pure fantasy.

Here's an account of the negotiations in preseason 2017.

[URL="https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bruce-allen-redskins-offered-kirk-cousins-53-million-but-he-prefers-franchise-tag/"]LINK[/URL]

Seems to jibe with what else I've read, would love MTK, Scheed, others weigh on this story. TL-DR: Sure looks to me like the SKins FO lowballed Kirk again.




So not trashing the team he's on, and negotiating with, even complimenting them, is "BULLSHIT"?

Lmao, Cousins took the high road, unlike Allen if you agree with the link I posted. Cousins should be complimented for that.

Again, when did Cousins lie? A player can want to be on a team while not wanting to play for less than market value.[/quote]

You referenced the offer from back in the summer, where Bruce only offered $53M guaranteed and Cousins said nah, I will play on the tag.

I have no problem with Bruce starting the negotiations at that spot. If Cousins wanted to be a Redskin he would have countered. He never countered.

Airing that out in the media, with the statement that Bruce made, was probably tasteless. But approaching negotiations that way is exactly what I want my executive to do. And if the player doesn't even bother to counter? Definitely don't think he's the leader for me long term.

Cousins just wanted out. Chris Thompson said it - he sent mixed messages. Is that who you want leading your team? Mixed messages from your captain?

Onward. He wasn't the guy for us. We've got to accept that he didn't want it, no matter what Allen did.

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Don't look now, but I'm supporting Bruce Allen. I think he was right all along. And I think he's right in acquiring Smith. Gruden's offensive scheme is going to make that pickup look pretty good.

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[quote=Schneed10;1188422]Don't look now, but I'm supporting Bruce Allen. I think he was right all along. And I think he's right in acquiring Smith. Gruden's offensive scheme is going to make that pickup look pretty good.[/quote]

wow a change of tune?? I have loved the trade since day 1. Saw a PFF prediction of Smith for 2018 and it had 27 Tds 8ints I believe and 4000 yards.

here it is

Statistical projection?
2017 was by far Smith’s best season statistically, ending the season as the NFL’s leader in quarterback rating (104.7). Over his entire career in K.C., Smith averaged 3,707 yards, 65.1% completion percentage, 21 touchdowns, and just 7 interceptions. All stats based on a per 16 game average.

During Kirk Cousins’s three years as the bonafide starter in Washington he averaged 4,392 yards, 67% completion percentage, 27 touchdowns, and 12 interceptions. Cousins also averaged 50 more attempts per season than Smith, which is due mostly in part to the playcalling differences between K.C. and Washington.

Should Smith average the same number of attempts his stats would look something like 4,055 yds, 23 TDs, and 8 INTs. Compare that to his most recent season in KC of 4,042 yds, 67.5%, 26 TDs, and 5 INTs and Smith may be in line to shatter his personal bests.

Prediction: 4,300 yards, 65%, 28 TDs, and 8 INTs

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I think if we can pick up a dynamic WR, either in FA or Draft, we will have a good to great offense.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1188426]I think if we can pick up a dynamic WR, either in FA or Draft, we will have a good to great offense.[/quote]

I still want Jarvis Landry, he can fill that Pierre Garcon role that we missed so badly this year

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1188427]I still want Jarvis Landry, he can fill that Pierre Garcon role that we missed so badly this year[/quote]


Plus I am a LSU fan

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[QUOTE=MTK;1188382]I’m so exhausted by this blame game people want to play. Shit didn’t work out, both sides have to share some blame. Time to move on. Smith is our QB.[/QUOTE]Can the FO be blamed for offering Kirk what they thought he was worth?

One of the old complaints about Snyder during the Vinny years was he was a fan boy and over paid for players.

If Allen is listening to his football people and then he is setting ceilings for resignings and FAs which means getting players who want to be in Washington to win and not just get paid.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1188427]I still want Jarvis Landry, he can fill that Pierre Garcon role that we missed so badly this year[/quote]

We need a #1 WR and he could definitely do the job; however, he will probably cost some team $15M or more per year. That would be a big cap hit for the Skins.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1188431]We need a #1 WR and he could definitely do the job; however, he will probably cost some team $15M or more per year. That would be a big cap hit for the Skins.[/quote]

Any number 1 WR is going to cost you that

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1188431]We need a #1 WR and he could definitely do the job; however, he will probably cost some team $15M or more per year. That would be a big cap hit for the Skins.[/quote]

We can afford 1, maybe 2 top FAs, If it was me, I would make Jarvis Landry 1 of them.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1188433]We can afford 1, maybe 2 top FAs, If it was me, I would make Jarvis Landry 1 of them.[/QUOTE]I would rather trade Kirk to Denver for Sanders and sign Poe or Logan and resign Brown. And get a top tier rb like Hyde or Bell.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1188435]I would rather trade Kirk to Denver for Sanders and sign Poe or Logan and resign Brown. And get a top tier rb like Hyde or Bell.

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]We can't trade KC we don't have his rights. There were several pages dedicated to that concept here, but it's just not happening.

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15 million is steeeeeppp! But Landry is only like 26 I believe. He should still play at a high level for 4 more years or so. Landry, Doctson, Crowder, Grant seems like a pretty legit top 4. I'd be ok with that move.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1188437]We can't trade KC we don't have his rights. There were several pages dedicated to that concept here, but it's just not happening.[/QUOTE]He wants to be paid signing the tag gives him his starting point for guaranteed money in talks.

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1188440]He wants to be paid signing the tag gives him his starting point for guaranteed money in talks.

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]And we would be on the hook for it if no one else bites. We can't tag cousins and sign Smith to his agreed deal, we don't have that much space.

Like I said this was hashed out earlier I doubt the group wants to go through it again but search for a poster Marco, he laid out how a trade is possible and all the rebuttals are in that thread.

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[QUOTE=CRedskinsRule;1188441]And we would be on the hook for it if no one else bites. We can't tag cousins and sign Smith to his agreed deal, we don't have that much space.

Like I said this was hashed out earlier I doubt the group wants to go through it again but search for a poster Marco, he laid out how a trade is possible and all the rebuttals are in that thread.[/QUOTE]You don't think they have already talked to teams?

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[QUOTE=Dan73;1188442]You don't think they have already talked to teams?

Sent from my SM-G955W using Tapatalk[/QUOTE]They can't by league rules. They don't have his rights for next year. And Cousins team cant because he isn't free yet. If they did and it was argued we could lose draft picks be fined or any of a few other options available to the league.

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[quote=Dan73;1188442]You don't think they have already talked to teams?

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Please don't make this into another Kirk Cousins thread by rehashing something that has already been discussed ad infinitum on this site.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1188445]Please don't make this into another Kirk Cousins thread by rehashing something that has been discussed here ad infinitum. What are your thoughts on getting some more weapons for Alex Smith?[/QUOTE]I want a running back either Hyde or Bell. And the talk of trade was to get him a receiver.

They need a guy who can stretch the field.


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[quote=Dan73;1188446]I want a running back either Hyde or Bell. And the talk of trade was to get him a receiver.

They need a guy who can stretch the field.


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I think Hyde could help us and signing him is probably doable. The money for Bell would be outrageous. I agree with you on needing some speed at WR. Why not draft a deep threat and go after Landry in FA to become our #1 guy?

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1188447]I think Hyde could help us and signing him is probably doable. The money for Bell would be outrageous. I agree with you on needing some speed at WR. Why not draft a deep threat and go after Landry in FA to become our #1 guy?[/QUOTE]I am not ready to give up on Doctson heck if they though Pryor could connect with Smith I would be ok with keeping him.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1188431]We need a #1 WR and he could definitely do the job; however, he will probably cost some team $15M or more per year. That would be a big cap hit for the Skins.[/quote]

There is no way I am paying $15M for a WR who averaged 8.8 yds per catch

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16790/jarvis-landry]Jarvis Landry Stats - Miami Dolphins - ESPN[/url]

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[quote=Irrefutable;1188449]There is no way I am paying $15M for a WR who averaged 8.8 yds per catch

[url=http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/16790/jarvis-landry]Jarvis Landry Stats - Miami Dolphins - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Wow, how's that posssible. 9 tds tho.

His career average is only 10.1. Lots of catches but not a lot of yards.

Yeah, that doesn't scream elite money to me.

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Landry is a great yac receiver - i think his avg is due to the way he has been used in Miami, and how he has been put into the box of a short to medium threat only - i think hes talented, i think he has been a bit mis-used, but with that said, i dont think he is the answer nor do i think we should sign him.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1188450]Wow, how's that posssible. 9 tds tho.

His career average is only 10.1. Lots of catches but not a lot of yards.

Yeah, that doesn't scream elite money to me.[/quote]

Look who his QB's have been

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[QUOTE=sdskinsfan2001;1188439]15 million is steeeeeppp! But Landry is only like 26 I believe. He should still play at a high level for 4 more years or so. Landry, Doctson, Crowder, Grant seems like a pretty legit top 4. I'd be ok with that move.[/QUOTE]I think the days of the Skins over paying free agents is done.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1188422]Don't look now, but I'm supporting Bruce Allen. I think he was right all along. And I think he's right in acquiring Smith. Gruden's offensive scheme is going to make that pickup look pretty good.[/QUOTE]I don't mind Allen. I think his approach to things as a business decision helps balance Dan's fanboy tendencies. If Vinny was still there indulging him Kirk would have been the highest paid qb at some point and cap hell would still be the norm.

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[quote=Dan73;1188455]I think the days of the Skins over paying free agents is done.

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We need a bonafide # 1 WR and 112 catches is a lot. Mr. Reliable. But yeah that's a lot of cash for 8.8 yards per catch. I spoke too soon about being agreeable.

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I like Allen Robinson

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[quote=MTK;1188479]I like Allen Robinson[/quote]

Coming off an ACL tho, that scares me. I'd also like Watkins

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We for sure need to sign a veteran WR, just have to decide the price point.