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I like an idea that was being floated in yesterday's Redskins Talk Podcast (the second one). With all the money the team has left, given that they missed on Hooper, Jones, and Cooper, they may just give some money to Trent so he stays.

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[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1247255]I like an idea that was being floated in yesterday's Redskins Talk Podcast (the second one). With all the money the team has left, given that they missed on Hooper, Jones, and Cooper, they may just give some money to Trent so he stays.[/QUOTE]


Lemonade out of lemons. I’d be ok with that especially since we lost our LG.


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Every time I open the warpath and see this thread at the top, my heart leaps as I hope a trade was announced or some other resolution. Alas every time, my heart then drops and I feel betrayed by the fickle winds of the internet

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[quote=Ruhskins;1247255]I like an idea that was being floated in yesterday's Redskins Talk Podcast (the second one). With all the money the team has left, given that they missed on Hooper, Jones, and Cooper, they may just give some money to Trent so he stays.[/quote]

Hard pass. Would rather take two thirds, move him, and then use the money to proactively extend guys who can be part of our future (and who arent assholes), like:
- Brandon Scherff
- Jonathan Allen
- DaRon Payne
- Quinton Dunbar

Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[QUOTE=Ruhskins;1247255]I like an idea that was being floated in yesterday's Redskins Talk Podcast (the second one). With all the money the team has left, given that they missed on Hooper, Jones, and Cooper, they may just give some money to Trent so he stays.[/QUOTE]


That’s not as unlikely as it sounds. No one is offering a second rounder and no one wants to pay Trent $20 mill/yr. That may get both sides to loosen up and move toward the middle. When Trent sees he can’t get $20 mill anywhere, he may settle for less in order to get the guaranteed money he was concerned about last year.

If this scenario happens, I don’t think this will happen until much closer to the draft. There is no OT left in FA who is in Trent’s class and it is unlikely the team can draft someone at Trent’s level, unless Kyle Smith’s hits a grand-slam home run with a MacLaurin-like, low draft pick.

Near the draft, the pressure on both sides will increase greatly. Trent has to worry that the teams that need him may draft from the very deep OT pool, including the Redskins.
The Redskins have many needs and might want to spend their top draft picks toward other positions - like TE! If they mend fences with Trent then they can afford to use their lower draft picks on OL project players. Signing Trent gives them a couple of years to find a replacement.

So, I think you have a good idea, since we have a great deal of cap money which hasn’t been spent.....



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[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;1247272]Hard pass. Would rather take two thirds, move him, and then use the money to proactively extend guys who can be part of our future (and who arent assholes), like:
- Brandon Scherff
- Jonathan Allen
- DaRon Payne
- Quinton Dunbar[/QUOTE]


I agree, but with the LACK of FA spending so far, they can definitely take care of Dunbar. I’m sure that Scherff’s franchise tag has as much to do with seeing if he can return to his Pro Bowl form, versus last year’s below average showing.

I seriously doubt that they will offer early contracts to Allen or Payne until Rivera can see how they do playing next to Chase Young. So far, for his first round draft status, Payne has not really lit it up. Allen and Ionnidas have played the best on the DL. Unfortunately, it is tough to judge Payne, Allen or Sweat because the coaching and schemes of the Redskin’s defense was so POOR for the last several years.

Rivera and Del Rio will know much more about Allen & Payne’s true playing ability after they are properly coached and after playing with Chase Young. I suspect that the entire DL will be on fire this season. Mostly because they will be coached at an elite level versus the bottom-feeding shitte show of Greg Manusky. Oh yeah, plus they will be there while the Offensive Coordinator’s are watching to see if Chase young is the Edge-rushing phenomenon everyone thinks he is.


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I also suspect Payne may do better in a 4-3 next year.

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[url]https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2882669-browns-trade-rumors-trent-williams-still-a-possibility-if-redskins-drop-price[/url]

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

They may be forced to keep him

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1247926]They may be forced to keep him[/quote]

I don't think Ron keeps him, I think in the end we take the Jets offer for the two 3rd rounders

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1247928]I don't think Ron keeps him, I think in the end we take the Jets offer for the two 3rd rounders[/quote]

Didn't they sign a LT the other day? Can't remember

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Trent wants out

[url]https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1242451136487063552?s=21[/url]

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What that says to me is the Redskins haven't got back a good enough offer. The saga drags on.

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Who cares what Trent wants. Zero chance they just release him. And they're not going to give him away for peanuts.

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JMO TW needs to understand your are a 7x Pro Bowler your are not cheap and we want value for that trade period.

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Hopefully it gets resolved prior to the draft so we can add another young player(s) immediately.

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Fuck Trent

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Sometimes you have to go backwards a little before you can go forward, like with Dunbar we are never going to get value for TW, a third this year and a 2/3 next if it is on the table will be it and will allow the team to move forward. Getting so little in return for these guys is going to make the path back to respectability a good bit longer

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1247941]Trent wants out

[url]https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1242451136487063552?s=21[/url][/quote]

I guess that means 2 things:

1. Trent is still unwilling to accept a reasonable salary to play football.

2. No team is willing to offer anything of value in trade for Trent Williams if they have to pay him an outrageous salary to get him to play.

Much easier for Trent and his agent to try to blame it on the Redskins than acknowledge these facts. It is pretty clear that the number of people fooled by this nonsense has gotten smaller and smaller, and certainly no one with any decision authority for any team has bought into it. If Trent's agent has still not advised him to wake up and smell the coffee, he needs a new agent. If Trent is driving this bus against his agent's advise, he may not play this year either.

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Well, I hope the Redskins stand their ground. You simply can't settle for anything less than a 2nd round pick unless the offer is sweetened with a solid player of a position in need.

I'd be fine if this drags into 2021 so long as they don't settle for peanuts, as has been mentioned already.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1247959]Well, I hope the Redskins stand their ground. You simply can't settle for anything less than a 2nd round pick unless the offer is sweetened with a solid player of a position in need.

I'd be fine if this drags into 2021 so long as they don't settle for peanuts, as has been mentioned already.[/quote]

skins are screwed, no team will offer a 2. We need to take that jets offer yesterday

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This entire thing makes me hate Bruce Allen even more.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=skinsfaninok;1247961]skins are screwed, no team will offer a 2. We need to take that jets offer yesterday[/quote]

Actually, after looking at the draft chart, I might just take that. Those two thirds are technically more value than their 2nd round pick.

That would give the Redskins four picks in the top 79. Could probably turn that into Chase Young, OT, CB or WR, TE... even more than that if they decide to trade down.

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[quote=EdmundDorf;1247955]Sometimes you have to go backwards a little before you can go forward, like with Dunbar we are never going to get value for TW, a third this year and a 2/3 next if it is on the table will be it and will allow the team to move forward. Getting so little in return for these guys is going to make the path back to respectability a good bit longer[/quote]

We've been going backwards since 1999, the year Dan took over.

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Trent's agent is terrible. The people who Trent had issues with are no longer with the team, so honestly I don't want to hear about irreconcilable differences between him and the team.

This is about money. And you can't blame the Redskins wanting fair compensation for who has been their best player in the team.

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It's always about the money...

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TW just isn't worth the aggravation anymore.

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[quote=irish;1247970]TW just isn't worth the aggravation anymore.[/quote]

Amen. Can't wait for him to be gone.

Re: Trent Williams ends season-long holdout, rejoins Redskins
 

[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1247959]Well, I hope the Redskins stand their ground. You simply can't settle for anything less than a 2nd round pick unless the offer is sweetened with a solid player of a position in need.

I'd be fine if this drags into 2021 so long as they don't settle for peanuts, as has been mentioned already.[/quote]

It is going to have to drag into the season to get a second. His value will never be as high as it was right before last year's trading deadline when a couple contenders needed help at his position. I think there two problems to trading TW right now, the combination of what he wants and what the Redskins want.

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F trent - if redskins hold the cards this time - if he sits out the entire year it doesnt accrue on his contact and we still have him for 1 year. That being said I would take 2 3rds for him but i'd wait up until the draft to do it

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[quote=VTSkins1961;1247973]F trent - if redskins hold the cards this time - if he sits out the entire year it doesnt accrue on his contact and we still have him for 1 year. That being said I would take 2 3rds for him but i'd wait up until the draft to do it[/quote]

Was literally about to type this out.

With the new CBA if he doesn't report to camp he won't get accrual for the last year of his deal and the fine is 40k/day(team can't wave the fine either). He will be forced to report, and I'm fine with that. I'm with everyone else, he either leaves for a 3rd rounder in a year or we get fair trade value for him.

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Tell the agent to STFU or he will sit another year. He needs to lower his contract demands by the draft or he gets nothing.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1247980]Tell the agent to STFU or he will sit another year. He needs to lower his contract demands or he gets nothing.[/quote]

Exactly. The team has ALL the leverage at this point.

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[quote=Buffalo Bob;1247972]It is going to have to drag into the season to get a second. His value will never be as high as it was right before last year's trading deadline when a couple contenders needed help at his position. I think there two problems to trading TW right now, the combination of what he wants and what the Redskins want.[/quote]

Actually, this is the best time to trade him, because teams are setting their draft boards and they have cap room. I think teams are being cheap on the compensation and want to play chicken with the Redskins. It is a ridiculous for a team to offer him a deal but not offer fair compensation.

I'm fine with the Redskins trading Dunbar for a 5th, because that was more than he was worth to other teams (who were offering in the neighborhood of 6/7 round picks).

Trent is obviously valuable to teams out there, but they are being cheap on compensation. So I'm fine if the team sits on this at least until the draft.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1247963]This entire thing makes me hate Bruce Allen even more.[/quote]

Why is that? IMO this is the one thing that Bruce did right - he didn't back down or cave in to Trent's greedy demands. As far as I know, he was insisting on a first plus something (which was absolutely fair for a player with 2 years left on his deal), but no team came close to that. Although there were reports last year that teams were offering first rounders, Keim and others have reported that that wasnt true. Likely, these were false reports put out there by the team to drive up interest. But we never got a first round offer.

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[quote=BigHairedAristocrat;1247988]Why is that? IMO this is the one thing that Bruce did right - he didn't back down or cave in to Trent's greedy demands. As far as I know, he was insisting on a first plus something (which was absolutely fair for a player with 2 years left on his deal), but no team came close to that. Although there were reports last year that teams were offering first rounders, Keim and others have reported that that wasnt true. Likely, these were false reports put out there by the team to drive up interest. But we never got a first round offer.[/quote]

I thought the Browns offered a 1st before the season started last year

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Fuck Bruce he made it personal and wanted to bleed out Trent. Should have traded him.


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[quote=MTK;1247996]Fuck Bruce he made it personal and wanted to bleed out Trent. Should have traded him.


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this was Bruce's coup de grace. He completely mismanaged this from day 1 as expected. Now we are facing an uphill battle to get a solid pick.

IMO they should still hold for a second.

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According to Charles Robinson of Yahoo Sports, the Cleveland Browns front office is "furious" at the Washington Redskins over the Trent William situation. Specifically, Robinson is reporting the Browns were willing to send a first round pick to Washington for Trent Williams six weeks ago, putting a deal in the middle of September. The Redskins were unwilling to make a deal then, but tried to call the Browns back before the trade deadline, hoping they could still get that first round pick. The Browns refused. essentially hanging up the phone on them.

The biggest part of the story is going to be the dumpster fire located in Ashburn, Virginia, but the takeaway should be the fact that Browns general manager John Dorsey was fully prepared to mortgage a significant asset in a horrible trade. Six weeks ago, the trade was still a horrible idea.
[url]https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/charles-robinson-cleveland-browns-furious-at-washington-redskins-over-trent-williams[/url]

reported that the Browns offered a 1st.

reported that that report was not accurate

meh ... get a 2nd if you can or 2 3rds and move on.

Really curious what Trents asking potential teams in terms of contract. If we wants 20 AAV ... teams wouldnt give us a 4th for that.