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AJ Green, 2nd round pick for Haskins and Trent.

Bengals take Chase, Redskins take Joe.

I want Chase, just playing make believe.

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Why would Bengals do that? You really miss the fact that Burrow is a southern Ohio boy. Adding him to their team will bring thousands southern Ohio football fans back to following the Bengals. Chase would not add to the Bengals fan draw at all.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249174]Why would Bengals do that? You really miss the fact that Burrow is a southern Ohio boy. Adding him to their team will bring thousands southern Ohio football fans back to following the Bengals. Chase would not add to the Bengals fan draw at all.[/quote]

What if Joe doesn't wanna be there? Also, a Buckeye would have no draw in Ohio? Not that I think it will happen, or even want it to, but it's a boring sports time right now.

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Good stuff from opposing teams/players:

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2020/story/_/id/29007542/why-chase-young-nfl-draft-most-dominant-defender[/url]

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You don't understand Ohio. There is a huge cultural gap between Cincinnati and Columbus.
the vast majority of Columbus pro football fans look to Cleveland or Pittsburgh, not Cincinnati. In Columbus, Cincinnati is percieved to be part of Kentucky.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249212]You don't understand Ohio. There is a huge cultural gap between Cincinnati and Columbus.
the vast majority of Columbus pro football fans look to Cleveland or Pittsburgh, not Cincinnati. In Columbus, Cincinnati is percieved to be part of Kentucky.[/quote]


Yeah but Burrow is from Athens ... which is closer to West Virginia, than either Cincy or Columbus.

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But there are no pro teams in West Virginia. Culturally Athens County is closer to Cincinnati in its "small town" feel. The people from Athens switched their allegiance to LSU when Joe played there. They will have no trouble becoming Bengals fans. By contrast, people from Columbus will not become Bengals fans if Young was drafted by the Bengals. If Columbus fans heard Chase was going to Cincy the vast majority of them would hold a funeral for him.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249243]But there are no pro teams in West Virginia. Culturally Athens County is closer to Cincinnati in its "small town" feel. The people from Athens switched their allegiance to LSU when Joe played there. They will have no trouble becoming Bengals fans. By contrast, people from Columbus will not become Bengals fans if Young was drafted by the Bengals. If Columbus fans heard Chase was going to Cincy the vast majority of them would hold a funeral for him.[/quote]

Ahhh ... I gotcha. I was wondering your angle. Thinking that it could have been Burrow NOT wanting to play in Cincy. By all accounts I've seen, he's fine with it.

All you say makes sense to me.

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249243]But there are no pro teams in West Virginia. Culturally Athens County is closer to Cincinnati in its "small town" feel. The people from Athens switched their allegiance to LSU when Joe played there. They will have no trouble becoming Bengals fans. By contrast, people from Columbus will not become Bengals fans if Young was drafted by the Bengals. If Columbus fans heard Chase was going to Cincy the vast majority of them would hold a funeral for him.[/quote]

:laughing-

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I can't wait for the draft. Something live on TV to watch

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249250]I can't wait for the draft. Something live on TV to watch

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Absolutely!! I'm watching every pick of this draft. My football knowledge is gonna be real strong by April 25th. I'm gonna know who every single new player is in the NFL this year (that's been picked).

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249250]I can't wait for the draft. Something live on TV to watch

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk[/quote]Yes agree! I always love it but really will this year considering everything. It's also an exciting draft for the Skins considering it's Rivera's 1st and the #2 overall pick. Think ratings for this draft could be record setting.

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I wish the NFL would cut the draft bullshit this year and just do a 2 day draft.
Bring back the all day draft!

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Well we should be right up there among the highest picks in 2021 also.

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[quote=jamf;1249312]I wish the NFL would cut the draft bullshit this year and just do a 2 day draft.
Bring back the all day draft![/quote]

yea its pretty annoying honestly. But they have to do anything they can to continure to make every penny they can off the draft.

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2) Washington Redskins – Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama

Washington spent a first-round pick on Dwayne Haskins during the 2019 NFL Draft and traded a fifth-round pick for Kyle Allen to compete and push for the starting job. While both options showed flashes during their starting stretches last season, neither have the ceiling of Alabama’s Tua Tagovailoa. Adding him into the quarterback room creates competition, and either Tagovailoa or Haskins could be moved down the line for draft capital. If Washington truly believes in Haskins, then others around the league will as well, meaning he’ll hold value even if he loses out in a competition with Tagovailoa.

The Athletic's mock draft.

I actually hope teams do think we will take Tua (It's not happening) but we can add draft picks if so. Again I love Chase Young and am all for drafting him but what if we can get 3 1's and a 2 for that pick? Would you really hate that?

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It seems very unlikely to me that any team would offer 3 firsts and a second to get Tua. Certainly Miami will not do that when they are pretty much guaranteed to get Herbert or Love if they don't get Tua.

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I’d never underestimate a team getting tunnel visioned on a potential franchise qb. See rg3. I think most likely the skins draft young and don’t look back but ... there’s a chance a team gets enamored with tua.

If tua becomes a franchise qb, the trade is worth it

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249417]It seems very unlikely to me that any team would offer 3 firsts and a second to get Tua. Certainly Miami will not do that when they are pretty much guaranteed to get Herbert or Love if they don't get Tua.[/quote]

I agree with u guys, the trade isn't happening and we are taking Young but it would be cool to have all those picks

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RG3 is not a good example. That was our team owner who wanted him and not many teams have an owner who behaved the way Danny did in the 2012 era.

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I’d rather take Young than get three first rounders. We need a game changer. Haven’t had one in years. Someone gameplanners have to account for and still struggle to stop.

Three very good players makes for a tempting option but you can’t forget how much better Sweat, Allen, Ioannidis and Payne will be when Young enters the picture.

Great players create that extra bit more than the whole. The three picks would just be a sum of the parts.

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[quote=Schneed10;1249433]I’d rather take Young than get three first rounders. We need a game changer. Haven’t had one in years. Someone gameplanners have to account for and still struggle to stop.

Three very good players makes for a tempting option but you can’t forget how much better Sweat, Allen, Ioannidis and Payne will be when Young enters the picture.

Great players create that extra bit more than the whole. The three picks would just be a sum of the parts.[/quote]

Yeah I think if it wasn’t Young sitting there for us, id take the pics...but he seems like a genuine blue chip game wrecker. Can’t pass on that.

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If someone offers 3 first rounders you take that hands down. I seriously doubt Miami or any other team would do that.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1249436]If someone offers 3 first rounders you take that hands down. I seriously doubt Miami or any other team would do that.[/quote]

They won't unless Cincy takes Young and Burrow is there at 2

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[quote=Ohioskins;1249425]RG3 is not a good example. That was our team owner who wanted him and not [B]any[/B] teams have an owner who behaved the way Danny did in the 2012 era.[/quote]

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I'll be so glad when the draft if over so we can stop talking about stuff that isn't going to happen.. lol.

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[QUOTE=Schneed10;1249433]I’d rather take Young than get three first rounders. We need a game changer. .[/QUOTE]

The idea that draft picks slot into NFL careers in line with their draft positions is highly unreliable. Busts happen at 1/2 and throughout the draft. Game-changers turn up throughout the early rounds. The key is to maximize picks to hit a winner. There’s no one player who’s turning this franchise around.

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[quote=HTTR;1249441]The idea that draft picks slot into NFL careers in line with their draft positions is highly unreliable. Busts happen at 1/2 and throughout the draft. Game-changers turn up throughout the early rounds. The key is to maximize picks to hit a winner. There’s no one player who’s turning this franchise around.[/quote]

The argument is Bosa last yr for SF... That team had a very good defense and a damn good secondary , it also had a good offense all season.

We do not have either of those right now, so I agree with you. 1 player will not change this franchise right away but it sure can help build a good team. Bust do happen every year so that's why in my opinion I'd rather have 3 1's instead of just 1.

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I don't understand why we Redskins fans are more apt to believe the propaganda of other teams than we are to believe our own team executives. Apparently, we're ready to believe that Miami would be content to draft Herbert or Love if they can't get Tua. I don't believe that for a second. Perhaps they're trying to get RR to tip his hand.

And I clearly remember that people here were saying that RR was just putting up a smoke screen when he said that we would thoroughly evaluate Burrow and Tua as possible #2 picks. Of course he evaluated them. It's part of doing a good job. In all likelihood, the #2 draft pick is set in jello at this time.

Meanwhile, the mind games continue as the suspense builds. That's one reason why we love the draft so much.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1249444]I don't understand why we Redskins fans are more apt to believe the propaganda of other teams than we are to believe our own team executives. Apparently, we're ready to believe that Miami would be content to draft Herbert or Love if they can't get Tua. I don't believe that for a second. Perhaps they're trying to get RR to tip his hand.

And I clearly remember that people here were saying that RR was just putting up a smoke screen when he said that we would thoroughly evaluate Burrow and Tua as possible #2 picks. Of course he evaluated them. It's part of doing a good job. In all likelihood, the #2 draft pick is set in jello at this time.

Meanwhile, the mind games continue as the suspense builds. That's one reason why we love the draft so much.[/quote]

I'd almost bet my stimulus check on Young at 2

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[quote=Schneed10;1249433]I’d rather take Young than get three first rounders. We need a game changer. Haven’t had one in years. Someone gameplanners have to account for and still struggle to stop.

Three very good players makes for a tempting option but you can’t forget how much better Sweat, Allen, Ioannidis and Payne will be when Young enters the picture.

Great players create that extra bit more than the whole. The three picks would just be a sum of the parts.[/quote]

IF Young can make a impact of 3 first round picks then we have a HOF pass rusher!! .. when we get Young what for you guys think our record will be ?? 4 wins .. maybe 6 ?? We need a game changer .. hmmm I like that .. however we need a game changer at QB .. you just said we haven’t had one in years .. and guess what Haskins ain’t it !

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[quote=Schneed10;1249433]I’d rather take Young than get three first rounders. We need a game changer. Haven’t had one in years. Someone gameplanners have to account for and still struggle to stop.

Three very good players makes for a tempting option but you can’t forget how much better Sweat, Allen, Ioannidis and Payne will be when Young enters the picture.

Great players create that extra bit more than the whole. The three picks would just be a sum of the parts.[/quote]

To me, if your offer doesn't include 3 1st round picks, don't even call me. Even then, you have to evaluate the team, how many picks they have this year, how good/bad you think that team will be next year, etc. The safe bet is to take the absolute stud now and let him hunt. In short, I agree with you. I need your house, car, and dog to even think about it.

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Looking less likely that Miami moves up:

[url]https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/16/dolphins-have-done-plenty-of-work-on-justin-herbert/[/url]

Think they'd be happy with Tua or Herbert. May be harder to commit to Tua as we near the draft with the injury risk. Personally, I'd go with Tua over Herbert. Scouts love Herbert's size/arm though.

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Herbert has an arm but he's not even close to the passer Tua is.. Arm strength is the most overrated trait of a QB.. Jamarcus Russell could throw it 80 yards too..

As for saying take Tua over Haskins and that Haskins isn't a franchise QB, I don't see how we can make that statement right now. Is Tua the better prospect? Yes he is and he's been coached by the best of the best but Dwayne needs some help to even really evaluate him as an NFL QB.

For the Young debate, I'm all for him but Chase is not going to change our record that much.. He's a great player and has a high ceiling but so did Clowney and Myles Garrett and others. I'm not so sure that Jeff Okudah isn't the better pick as a lockdown CB makes just as big of an impact in todays game. I'm just saying we need to slow down on the generational talent talk, and saying that he is better than 3 first rd picks...

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249504]Herbert has an arm but he's not even close to the passer Tua is.. Arm strength is the most overrated trait of a QB.. Jamarcus Russell could throw it 80 yards too..

As for saying take Tua over Haskins and that Haskins isn't a franchise QB, I don't see how we can make that statement right now. Is Tua the better prospect? Yes he is and he's been coached by the best of the best but Dwayne needs some help to even really evaluate him as an NFL QB.

For the Young debate, I'm all for him but Chase is not going to change our record that much.. He's a great player and has a high ceiling but so did Clowney and Myles Garrett and others. I'm not so sure that Jeff Okudah isn't the better pick as a lockdown CB makes just as big of an impact in todays game. I'm just saying we need to slow down on the generational talent talk, and saying that he is better than 3 first rd picks...[/quote]

I watched a draft special with Larry Michael's and Fred Smoot yesterday; Fred referred to Okudah as "Regular Unleaded Gas". He states that Okudah is a guy that benefited from having played with three of the best pass rushers in the Bosa brothers and Chase Young. Check out the video at the 3:05 mark.

[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO53E26l25s"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RO53E26l25s[/URL]

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Nick Bosa on CY “There are some games where you see the tackles he’s going against & it’s a complete joke... you don’t run into that in the NFL, you’re facing a beast every week”

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249546]Nick Bosa on CY “There are some games where you see the tackles he’s going against & it’s a complete joke... you don’t run into that in the NFL, you’re facing a beast every week”

Thanks capt obvious[/quote]

Bosa sounds jealous

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1249547]Bosa sounds jealous[/quote]

So Jelly!!

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He is right !! Based on all the great expectations on Payne and Allen and sweat we should allready be a way way better Defensive team.. now everybody is saying if we get Young we are gonna have a top D .... Jack del rio will make more of a difference than any one player .. Haskins lit it up in college and looked lost on the nfl field .. he did get better down the stretch .. I’m sure we are taking young and all that but I wish somebody would trade the farm for our pick ... we need lots of help

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1249504]Herbert has an arm but he's not even close to the passer Tua is.. Arm strength is the most overrated trait of a QB.. Jamarcus Russell could throw it 80 yards too..
.[/quote]

I remember when they had a QB skills competition that included throwing for distance, every time he entered Steve Young finished near the bottom barely able to throw 60 yards.