Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

Kids are weird.

I love my kid, love hanging with her, we are best friends and some of the best coronavirus stay-at-home days have been with her vs when I dont have her ... but man .... I definitely do a little happy dance inside around 10 pm or so when she goes to bed and I dont have to deal with that demanding asshole for about 10 hours.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[URL="https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/10/873473805/u-s-hits-2-million-coronavirus-cases-as-many-states-see-a-surge-of-patients"]U.S. Hits 2 Million Coronavirus Cases As Many States See A Surge Of Patients[/URL]

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=MTK;1252827][URL="https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/10/873473805/u-s-hits-2-million-coronavirus-cases-as-many-states-see-a-surge-of-patients"]U.S. Hits 2 Million Coronavirus Cases As Many States See A Surge Of Patients[/URL][/quote]

Lol...no mention of protests?

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

My wife and I couldn't be farther apart on dealing with this and it has been a challenge.

This has really freaked her out to the point we are still staying at home and not interacting with people. I am freaked out because this social isolation is not health for the kids and state my concerns but we can't get on the same page.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1252949]My wife and I couldn't be farther apart on dealing with this and it has been a challenge.

This has really freaked her out to the point we are still staying at home and not interacting with people. I am freaked out because this social isolation is not health for the kids and state my concerns but we can't get on the same page.[/quote]

I mean this in all due respect to you and mean to not offend you in any way:

Have you suggested to your wife that she get a mental health consultation?

The lockdowns and quarantines are all affecting everyone differently but we can all agree that mental health does not need to be ignored right now. Everyday people who seemed "normal" might be getting pushed to their limits right now.

It is healthy to take necessary personal protections to go about your day to day life, but what you are describing is not healthy. It could only get worse if no action is taken. For the well being of you and your family please at least consider it. Again, all due respect, and good luck to you.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

I know I am corona fatigued. I’ve been following the basic approach - wear mask inside public places, don’t touch door handles or key pads with fingers, wipe down things from grocery store and not go out unless it’s the grocery store or immediate family.

We’ve started to eat out a bit more.

I’m looking to go to the beach for a day in a few weeks.

Being worried about the corona is not a bad or irrational thing imo. That asshole is raging right now.

Thank god it is not deadlier but we should be around 125k US deaths soon. 200k plus seems to be a sure thing at this point.

Social distancing and masks have worked and are working. Without that .... yesh.

But it’s real hard to stay as vigilant today as it was 3 months ago.

Continue to stay safe

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

No offense taken SS84, mental health is something we should be more openly talking about in the U.S. than we do. I also might have painted too extreme of a picture we go to parks, bike, hike and tube down the local river but having other people over or having our kids/family go to their house is not something she is comfortable with. As is such I feel they are not getting the socializing they need.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

I guess States are just completely ignoring the "phasing guidlelines" set out by the CDC and WH. I get it, we are all fatigued. I feel bad for places like Georgia bc they shut down when it wasnt hitting them hard in their area yet .. and now they have shut down fatigue and are reopening ... right when its their turn to get the spike.

It was supposed to be 14 days of downward trajectory before States could move to phase 1, 2 weeks = phase 2, 3 weeks = phase 3.

Georgia, Arizona, Arkansas and others are having their highest spikes in numbers but are just ignoring the "guidelines".

[url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/[/url]

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I read an article that thinks we wont see decreases until 70% of the population gets it.

Guess thats where we are headed.

Good thing its not deadlier.

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Trying to find plexiglass sneeze guards for my office so all employees can come to work and we dont have to stagger .. but they are all out until early August.

Hopefully I can find some clear plastic to make my own I guess. I should have foreseen this a few months ago.

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Baltimore Skin - i think each family should come up with their own plan ... mine, we arent having friends over, we are not going to other peoples houses. We stick to mostly immediate family. Sounds a lot like yours. We are starting to ease up a bit.

Kids not socializing is a concern for me as well. She would normally be outside shooting water guns and digging holes with the neighborhood kids. Going to ballet, going to BJJ, pool parties etc.

its tough.

it sucks.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=SunnySide;1252974]I guess States are just completely ignoring the "phasing guidlelines" set out by the CDC and WH. I get it, we are all fatigued. I feel bad for places like Georgia bc they shut down when it wasnt hitting them hard in their area yet .. and now they have shut down fatigue and are reopening ... right when its their turn to get the spike.

It was supposed to be 14 days of downward trajectory before States could move to phase 1, 2 weeks = phase 2, 3 weeks = phase 3.

Georgia, Arizona, Arkansas and others are having their highest spikes in numbers but are just ignoring the "guidelines".

[url]https://www.whitehouse.gov/openingamerica/[/url]

------------------------------

I read an article that thinks we wont see decreases until 70% of the population gets it.

Guess thats where we are headed.

Good thing its not deadlier.

------------

Trying to find plexiglass sneeze guards for my office so all employees can come to work and we dont have to stagger .. but they are all out until early August.

Hopefully I can find some clear plastic to make my own I guess. I should have foreseen this a few months ago.

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Baltimore Skin - i think each family should come up with their own plan ... mine, we arent having friends over, we are not going to other peoples houses. We stick to mostly immediate family. Sounds a lot like yours. We are starting to ease up a bit.

Kids not socializing is a concern for me as well. She would normally be outside shooting water guns and digging holes with the neighborhood kids. Going to ballet, going to BJJ, pool parties etc.

its tough.

it sucks.[/quote]

Everything i have read and researched on my own also says the same. The lockdowns despite what people thought or wanted, was never designed to last until we got a vaccine. We are slowly getting to the point like MTK mentioned a while back, protect the elderly and most at risk people, and allow everyone else to start getting back to the swing of things.

I originally believed that we would stay shut down completely until we got a vaccine. I also felt that schools and church, etc., would never be able to come back until we did. At least in VA school will never look the same again, but i have had to walk back on a lot of my predictions, thank God.

The pandemic ends three ways: Herd Immunity, which is what we are slowly marching towards, Vaccine (probably still 6 months off), and also when people begin to not fear it as badly and go back to their normal routines, also something we are heading towards.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[URL="https://local.theonion.com/city-enters-phase-4-of-pretending-coronavirus-over-1844037065"]City Enters Phase 4 Of Pretending Coronavirus Over[/URL]

just gotta laugh

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

“Wall Street Journal reporting nursing and care facilities account for at least 40% of US virus deaths. True toll on the most vulnerable may never be none.“

Crazy...

Also

[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1272727433607815168[/url]

Covid testing continues to expand; and the overall national positivity rate remains low.


Also, if you are only doing cumulative cases and not rolling 7 day...you are doing it wayyyy wrong

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=MTK;1252995][URL="https://local.theonion.com/city-enters-phase-4-of-pretending-coronavirus-over-1844037065"]City Enters Phase 4 Of Pretending Coronavirus Over[/URL]

just gotta laugh[/quote]

I'm sure you are aware, but you know The Onion is a satire website, right? Just putting that out there because i see so many people on FB post their articles and then get in an uproar believing that it is real news.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1253001]I'm sure you are aware, but you know The Onion is a satire website, right? Just putting that out there because i see so many people on FB post their articles and then get in an uproar believing that it is real news.[/quote]

Yeah that's why I said you just have to laugh. Satire = funny. :thumbsup:

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[URL="https://local.theonion.com/family-left-elderly-grandmother-to-die-in-nursing-home-1843922346"]Family Left Elderly Grandmother To Die In Nursing Home But Not Like This[/URL]

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=MTK;1253027][URL="https://local.theonion.com/family-left-elderly-grandmother-to-die-in-nursing-home-1843922346"]Family Left Elderly Grandmother To Die In Nursing Home But Not Like This[/URL][/quote]

This artical should help when they go to sue the home for neglect.:banghead:

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=Giantone;1253049]This artical should help when they go to sue the home for neglect.:banghead:[/quote]

Funny when solid snake said the onion is satire I was thinking everyone knows that by now, apparently not.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

On average in the US, the flu's death rate is .1%, while the coronavirus' death rate is 5.2%.

Both viruses are most deadly for the elderly. The flu kills .83% of infected people above age 65, whereas the coronavirus's death rate is 10.4% for infected people from age 65 to 74, 20.8% for the 75-84 group, and 30.1% for people over 85.

[url]https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-death-rate-us-almost-222400931.html[/url]

10.4% death rate for people aged 65-74. Those people are still out and about, in the workforce etc.

Fuck, I would not be going outside if I was in that age group or higher.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

So between the ages of 5-49 it’s what like half a percent of 1% or .5 of those infected? Which is more deadlier than the flu, but the avg death age is relatively high in most states.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

I'm not sure how many people have died from Covid-19. But I can bet that it is nowhere near close to being as much as the news media claims. My great uncle caught it and he's 87 years old and he recovered. My cousin had it and didn't even know she was sick. This virus is a joke. I believe most of the people who are dying are dying from other illnesses, not Covid-19.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

CDC, which I think is on the conservative side of accounting, lists 120,333 COVID deaths as of today.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/cases-in-us.html[/url]

The death rate (percent) can be played around with. Some models project the number of people they think are infected but asymptomatic and never tested (leads to lower death rate). Some models only consider number of reported cases vs deaths but everyone knows there are more people infected/asymptomatic who had/have it but arent included in the reported cases number.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=mredskins;1253051]Funny when solid snake said the onion is satire I was thinking everyone knows that by now, apparently not.[/quote]



Seems you're not to bright on the sarcasm it seems.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=httr198020;1253234]I'm not sure how many people have died from Covid-19. But I can bet that it is nowhere near close to being as much as the news media claims. My great uncle caught it and he's 87 years old and he recovered. My cousin had it and didn't even know she was sick. This virus is a joke. I believe most of the people who are dying are dying from other illnesses, not Covid-19.[/quote]

I'm not sure <insert relevant topic>. But I can bet <outlandish theory that can't be proved>. <Anecdote extrapolated to prove outlandish theory>. <Second anecdote ignoring that bit about some victims being asymptomatic>. <Pure nonsense>. <Finishes with 2nd outlandish theory that can't be proved>.

Why don't you take your medical degree and go do autopsies on everyone who's died so far, do a report on it and get it peer reviewed and published in a medical journal. Then when it comes back solid come back here and rub that shit in my face. Until then I invite you to go tell all of the families who have had loved ones die of COVID or partially from COVID that their doctors and the entire medical industry is wrong because your great uncle caught it at 87 years old and recovered.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=mooby;1253247]I'm not sure <insert relevant topic>. But I can bet <outlandish theory that can't be proved>. <Anecdote extrapolated to prove outlandish theory>. <Second anecdote ignoring that bit about some victims being asymptomatic>. <Pure nonsense>. <Finishes with 2nd outlandish theory that can't be proved>.

Why don't you take your medical degree and go do autopsies on everyone who's died so far, do a report on it and get it peer reviewed and published in a medical journal. Then when it comes back solid come back here and rub that shit in my face. Until then I invite you to go tell all of the families who have had loved ones die of COVID or partially from COVID that their doctors and the entire medical industry is wrong because your great uncle caught it at 87 years old and recovered.[/quote]

I realize this is a new type of virus, and i also am not taking up for httr's posts, but so far the medical community has been pretty wrong on everything so far that they as "experts" knew about COVID. MTK points out that science is not about being "right", which there is some truth to, but trusting people who are routinely wrong more than they are right is probably not a successful endeavor.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1253252]I realize this is a new type of virus, and i also am not taking up for httr's posts, but so far the medical community has been pretty wrong on everything so far that they as "experts" knew about COVID. MTK points out that science is not about being "right", which there is some truth to, but trusting people who are routinely wrong more than they are right is probably not a successful endeavor.[/quote]

Are you serious?

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=httr198020;1253234]I'm not sure how many people have died from Covid-19. But I can bet that it is nowhere near close to being as much as the news media claims. My great uncle caught it and he's 87 years old and he recovered. My cousin had it and didn't even know she was sick. This virus is a joke. I believe most of the people who are dying are dying from other illnesses, not Covid-19.[/quote]

You do realize they[B](the Medical Community)[/B] has said this all along ,that the COVID victims almost to a person all had under lying conditions .:doh:

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=Giantone;1253253]Are you serious?[/quote]

I should elaborate:

When COVID started here in the states, our resident medical experts came out with all sorts of rules, guidance, etc. One of those being "You don't have to wear a mask if you aren't sick". We could have an entire thread / discussion about how much and how often Doctors are wrong. But that doesn't / shouldn't undermine the good work that they do for us.

Corona Virus is constantly changing, and because of that, the guidelines/restrictions/lockdowns in 2021 will look very different from how they did this year. Things are already changing as most states now have entered, or are entering Phase 3 and their respective final phases of the recovery plans. I am not saying Doctors are quacks, just wan't to clarify that.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=mooby;1253247]I'm not sure <insert relevant topic>. But I can bet <outlandish theory that can't be proved>. <Anecdote extrapolated to prove outlandish theory>. <Second anecdote ignoring that bit about some victims being asymptomatic>. <Pure nonsense>. <Finishes with 2nd outlandish theory that can't be proved>.

Why don't you take your medical degree and go do autopsies on everyone who's died so far, do a report on it and get it peer reviewed and published in a medical journal. Then when it comes back solid come back here and rub that shit in my face. Until then I invite you to go tell all of the families who have had loved ones die of COVID or partially from COVID that their doctors and the entire medical industry is wrong because your great uncle caught it at 87 years old and recovered.[/quote]

This virus is definitely a hoax. Not saying that it does exist and can't be fatal for a very small minority of people. The hysteria was over blown right from the very beginning. The more we know about COVID-19 the less dangerous we realize it is. You don't know what the entire medical community thinks because you haven't heard from them. You've only heard what the leftwing Nazis want you to hear. Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi concluded that COVID-19 has a similar death rate to the flu. Youtube took down their video. Dr. Jay Bachartayyara at Stanford University who finds that the death rate of covid in the 0.02-0.03 percent. There are two other studies that are consistent with those numbers. Do I know exactly how many people have died from COVID-19? No, but I'm convinced that it's a lot less than what is being reported. Do I know exactly how many people who got COVID-19? No, but I'm sure it's way more people than the cases that has been reported.


[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrrJIcOZ90[/url]

If Dr. Erickson and Massihi are wrong and can be proven wrong. Why did Google censor them? Is only the opinions of those they agree with valid? If these leftwing nazis were truly confident in their opinions, they would debate their opponents and not use corporations to silence those people. Dissent is no longer allowed. You believe what you want. But don't tell me I'm being ridiculous because I don't buy into any and everything I hear from the communist MSM.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=Giantone;1253254]You do realize they[B](the Medical Community)[/B] has said this all along ,that the COVID victims almost to a person all had under lying conditions .:doh:[/quote]
My uncle has diabetes and heart disease.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=httr198020;1253257]This virus is definitely a hoax. Not saying that it does exist and can't be fatal for a very small minority of people. The hysteria was over blown right from the very beginning. The more we know about COVID-19 the less dangerous we realize it is. You don't know what the entire medical community thinks because you haven't heard from them. You've only heard what the leftwing Nazis want you to hear. Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi concluded that COVID-19 has a similar death rate to the flu. Youtube took down their video. Dr. Jay Bachartayyara at Stanford University who finds that the death rate of covid in the 0.02-0.03 percent. There are two other studies that are consistent with those numbers. Do I know exactly how many people have died from COVID-19? No, but I'm convinced that it's a lot less than what is being reported. Do I know exactly how many people who got COVID-19? No, but I'm sure it's way more people than the cases that has been reported.


[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ExrrJIcOZ90[/url]

If Dr. Erickson and Massihi are wrong and can be proven wrong. Why did Google censor them? Is only the opinions of those they agree with valid? If these leftwing nazis were truly confident in their opinions, they would debate their opponents and not use corporations to silence those people. Dissent is no longer allowed. You believe what you want. But don't tell me I'm being ridiculous because I don't buy into any and everything I hear from the communist MSM.[/quote]

Ill save everyone some time ...

Dr Erickson and Massihi run a walk in urgent care clinic in CA.

They arent epidemologists, they are walk-in clinic doctors.

They are Trump supporters, anti-mask people.

People like HTTR who are hungry for any confirmaiton of their Q Anon beliefs will take what these Q Anon walk-in clinic doctors say as gospel ... and ignore the 99.9999% of true experts who disagree with them.

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But public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

'This pandemic has been so severely politicized in this country that evidence, no matter how poor, gets amplified enormously if it benefits one side or another.'
Dr. Carl Bergstrom, University of Washington

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

Still, the early media coverage of the doctors’ announcement went viral (digitally, that is) over the weekend. The press conference video garnered more than 5 million views before YouTube removed it on Monday for violating community guidelines.

In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. [B]These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.[/B] [B]As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”[/B]
[url]https://www.kqed.org/news/11814749/bakersfield-doctors-dubious-covid-19-test-conclusions-spread-like-wildfire[/url]
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If you dont agree with these walk-in clinic doctors and reject what all the real experts are saying .... youre a left wing nazi.

Gesus Krist ... these conspiracy theory types of people.

lol a fucking walk in clinic doctor ... . lol

thats funny as hell.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=SunnySide;1253272]Ill save everyone some time ...

Dr Erickson and Massihi run a walk in urgent care clinic in CA.

They arent epidemologists, they are walk-in clinic doctors.

They are Trump supporters, anti-mask people.

People like HTTR who are hungry for any confirmaiton of their Q Anon beliefs will take what these Q Anon walk-in clinic doctors say as gospel ... and ignore the 99.9999% of true experts who disagree with them.

-----------------------

But public health experts were quick to point out the major flaws in the doctors’ methodology – namely that only a tiny percentage of Californians have actually been tested, a group that is more likely to test positive and is not representative of the larger population.

'This pandemic has been so severely politicized in this country that evidence, no matter how poor, gets amplified enormously if it benefits one side or another.'
Dr. Carl Bergstrom, University of Washington

But public health experts were quick to debunk the doctors’ findings as misguided and riddled with statistical errors — and an example of the kind of misleading information they are forced to waste precious time disputing.

The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.” And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates are far higher than the ones the doctors presented.

“They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said.

In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. [B]These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.[/B] [B]As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”[/B]
[url]https://www.kqed.org/news/11814749/bakersfield-doctors-dubious-covid-19-test-conclusions-spread-like-wildfire[/url]
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If you dont agree with these walk-in clinic doctors and reject what all the real experts are saying .... youre a left wing nazi.

Gesus Krist ... these conspiracy theory types of people.

lol a fucking walk in clinic doctor ... . lol

thats funny as hell.[/quote]

"Dr Erickson and Massihi run a walk in urgent care clinic in CA. "

And does that debunk their opinions about the mortality rates of COVID-19? If that fact alone discredits them please explain how?

"They arent epidemologists, they are walk-in clinic doctors. "

So does that mean their raw data was falsified just because they're not epidemiologists? Are you saying they are incapable of interpreting the data and coming up with a conclusion just because they're not "epidemiologists?"

"They are Trump supporters, anti-mask people. "

Who cares if they're Trump supporters. That has nothing to do with their conclusion. I am a proud Trump supporter and I wear a mask. I was coming home from work last week and saw a pack of BLM protesters not wearing any mask. So maybe there is no correlation between wearing a mask and being a Trump supporter.

"People like HTTR who are hungry for any confirmaiton of their Q Anon beliefs will take what these Q Anon walk-in clinic doctors say as gospel ... and ignore the 99.9999% of true experts who disagree with them. "

Let us avoid personal attacks and stick to the issue. Covid-19 is a hoax. There is no real numbers on how many people are dying from it or other causes and I have proof. This is a CDC report.

[url]https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/05082020/nchs-mortality-report.html?fbclid=IwAR18yVyY7MXzXpgz3A-OOb8ThAkQkVgxdMDj3Fb3apsvKcNWZVckYq5BzdE[/url]

The CDC has combined the total number of Pneumonia, Influenza, and
COVID-19 deaths as Covid-19 deaths. Both confirmed and presumptive cases of Covid-19 are being counted as COVID-19 deaths based on CDC guidelines. That is why I am convinced that the death tolls are nowhere close to what has been reported on LEFTWING NAZI MEDIA. So how could your experts have a clue about the mortality rates is or isn't if they don't even know how many people are dying from Covid-19 or another respiratory virus? How do they know the mortality rate of Covid-19 if they have no idea about the number of people infected? Let me guess, I should shut up and listen to them, even though, they don't know to shit themselves. Please answers this question and don't skip over it.


"In a rare statement late Monday, the American College of Emergency Physicians and the American Academy of Emergency Medicine declared they “emphatically condemn the recent opinions released by Dr. Daniel Erickson and Dr. Artin Messihi. [B]These reckless and untested musings do not speak for medical societies and are inconsistent with current science and epidemiology regarding COVID-19.[/B] [B]As owners of local urgent care clinics, it appears these two individuals are releasing biased, non-peer reviewed data to advance their personal financial interests without regard for the public’s health.”[/B]"

So let me get this straight. Dr. Erickson and Messihi are wrong simply because these people say so? Why not prove them wrong with their own data? Oh, that's right, they don't have any reliable data! They didn't offer any substance at all. They arrogantly dismissed Dr. Erickson and Messihi with a rebuttal. Then they tried to insult their character because they have a different opinion.

"If you dont agree with these walk-in clinic doctors and reject what all the real experts are saying .... youre a left wing nazi. "

That is totally irrational. Do you claim if I believe some doctors who are reporting their own findings over "experts" who consider themselves an authority figure on this subject then I'm a left-wing Nazi? Those are some serious mental gymnastics you had to jump through to come to that conclusion. Nazis pushed propaganda and censored those who opposed their views just like the modern-day left is trying to do right now. All these major companies like Google, Twitter, Facebook are censoring conservatives and demonetizing them. Dr. Erickson isn't forcing anyone to accept his findings. He didn't demand that people who disagree with him get removed from Youtube. If you think about it, you and your party have way more in common with Nazis racist skinheads and KKK members.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

We're trending in the wrong direction, at this rate it's hard to see sports returning

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/world/coronavirus-updates.html"]Coronavirus Live Updates: U.S. Sets Record for Daily New Cases[/URL]

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=SolidSnake84;1253255]I should elaborate:

When COVID started here in the states, our resident medical experts came out with all sorts of rules, guidance, etc. One of those being "You don't have to wear a mask if you aren't sick". We could have an entire thread / discussion about how much and how often Doctors are wrong. But that doesn't / shouldn't undermine the good work that they do for us.

Corona Virus is constantly changing, and because of that, the guidelines/restrictions/lockdowns in 2021 will look very different from how they did this year. Things are already changing as most states now have entered, or are entering Phase 3 and their respective final phases of the recovery plans. I am not saying Doctors are quacks, just wan't to clarify that.[/quote]

Fauci addressed that rather eloquently with congress the other day. Due to our ineptitude we were overwhelmingly unprepared for PPE. Having people buy up stocks of PPE and hoard them like they do toilet paper would have made it even more difficult to get the PPE to health professionals.

Re: Coronavirus (non political)
 

[quote=MTK;1253313]We're trending in the wrong direction, at this rate it's hard to see sports returning

[URL="https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/25/world/coronavirus-updates.html"]Coronavirus Live Updates: U.S. Sets Record for Daily New Cases[/URL][/quote]

I have said from the beginning that this is what does professional sports in.

The sports that are playing right now will be shutting back down again, and its hard to see them ever coming back until there is a vaccine that is out for every person in this country.

States are already going to go back into lock downs, they've already said.

I felt from the beginning that the total time it took for things to go back to "normal" would be between 2 and 5 years. As it stands right now, we are already witnessing permanent changes to things like schools, colleges, etc, wearing masks whenever inside public spaces, etc. Some governors have even made it a law now that you have to wear a mask even outdoors.

I think it is clear at this point that America will never go back to "normal", even after the vaccines are out. This is the most afraid that i have been since it started. It's 30 - 40K cases a day now. Probably in a month or two from now, it could be 100 - 200K. Growth rate like that wouldn't take long before we could hit 1million new cases a day. We just need to hope and pray now, guys....

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Unfortunately we still have too many dummies out there denying the facts, calling this a hoax, not wearing masks, not socially distancing, etc. All this shit was bound to catch up to us.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1253324]I have said from the beginning that this is what does professional sports in.

The sports that are playing right now will be shutting back down again, and its hard to see them ever coming back until there is a vaccine that is out for every person in this country.

States are already going to go back into lock downs, they've already said.

I felt from the beginning that the total time it took for things to go back to "normal" would be between 2 and 5 years. As it stands right now, we are already witnessing permanent changes to things like schools, colleges, etc, wearing masks whenever inside public spaces, etc. Some governors have even made it a law now that you have to wear a mask even outdoors.

I think it is clear at this point that America will never go back to "normal", even after the vaccines are out. This is the most afraid that i have been since it started. It's 30 - 40K cases a day now. Probably in a month or two from now, it could be 100 - 200K. Growth rate like that wouldn't take long before we could hit 1million new cases a day. We just need to hope and pray now, guys....[/quote] People are getting worried about nothing. We should reopen the entire country immediately. All of the shutdowns haven't prevented a goddamn thing. Most of the people who catch it will be fine. We can't shutdown the country for 2 to 5 years just because the virus might be lethal to an extremely small minority. Anyone says something like that shouldn't be making decisions or advising anyone who is making decisions. It is time to open the country back up. We should demand it!

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[quote=MTK;1253325]Unfortunately we still have too many dummies out there denying the facts, calling this a hoax, not wearing masks, not socially distancing, etc. All this shit was bound to catch up to us.[/quote] It is a hoax! Most of the people I see every day are wearing mask. Dummies believe what they are told without questioning the power to be like an obedient dog. I and others like me choose to use our common sense. This virus isn't like the Spanish flu that killed 50 million people. This virus ain't shit comparison. The death toll for COVID-19 is way lower than the reported numbers. This virus is a damn joke and anyone who believes otherwise is a fool.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1253324]I have said from the beginning that this is what does professional sports in.

The sports that are playing right now will be shutting back down again, and its hard to see them ever coming back until there is a vaccine that is out for every person in this country.

States are already going to go back into lock downs, they've already said.

I felt from the beginning that the total time it took for things to go back to "normal" would be between 2 and 5 years. As it stands right now, we are already witnessing permanent changes to things like schools, colleges, etc, wearing masks whenever inside public spaces, etc. Some governors have even made it a law now that you have to wear a mask even outdoors.

I think it is clear at this point that America will never go back to "normal", even after the vaccines are out. This is the most afraid that i have been since it started. It's 30 - 40K cases a day now. Probably in a month or two from now, it could be 100 - 200K. Growth rate like that wouldn't take long before we could hit 1million new cases a day. We just need to hope and pray now, guys....[/quote]


....just wait till the sand storm comes then you'll wish you all wore your freaking masks!:joecool:

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[quote=Giantone;1253350]....just wait till the sand storm comes then you'll wish you all wore your freaking masks!:joecool:[/quote]

Really looking forward to the insanely dumb thing Trump says about the sandstorm...it could be an all-timer.

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[quote=Chico23231;1253355]Really looking forward to the insanely dumb thing Trump says about the sandstorm...it could be an all-timer.[/quote]

LOL. The funniest part is you know he is absolutely without a shadow of doubt commenting on it multiple times. He has no mute button.

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Was talking to my boss tonight. I'm a paralegal. Don't love what I do, but I've been doing it for 10+ years now, and I work my ass off 99% of the time.

But this COVID just has me in a funk. My motivation is zero right now. I couldn't even think of a way to say why, it's just there. It's like an invisible cloud hanging over my head.

She said similar things.

This was a few hours ago and I still can't explain it. And I've been lucky that my life really hasn't changed that drastically. Have worked full time and have had every resource I need (minus Lysol). Can't imagine what other people that have been way more effected are going through. Hope y'all are all doing alright!!