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[QUOTE=MTK;1255547]This should go well



[URL="https://www.foxnews.com/us/hospital-coronavirus-data-cdc-trump-washington-dc-health-human-services"]Hospital coronavirus data to bypass CDC for Trump administration database in Washington[/URL][/QUOTE]



Another in a long line of shady ass cons by this blubbering fool. God November cannot come fast enough.

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[quote=MTK;1255547]This should go well

[URL="https://www.foxnews.com/us/hospital-coronavirus-data-cdc-trump-washington-dc-health-human-services"]Hospital coronavirus data to bypass CDC for Trump administration database in Washington[/URL][/quote]

"Finally, we'll get some honest numbers"

- some conservative probably

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Russia denies hacking attempt on COVID-19 vaccine trials, Pompeo says China will pay price for pandemic

[url]https://video.foxnews.com/v/6172444185001#sp=show-clips[/url]

That’s the headline. Lol

Russia accused of hacking covid centers.

WH response - China will pay

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So now the racist in chief is blaming black and brown people for the country’s Covid problems. Mexicans crossing the border (caravan 2.0 - remember the first one that disappeared after the election?) and BLM protests (um...look at NYC). Not his own anti science, anti doctor, non mask wearing, it will disappear, completely downplaying bullshit, but Mexicans and BLM. Said it once and ill say it again, if you still think he is not a full blown racist than you are either stupid or also a racist and enjoying his rhetoric.
It is July, 8 months after he was made aware of what was coming, and he is now developing a plan? Wtf am I missing? How in the hell do you keep supporting this train wreck?

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[url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html[/url]

New CDC guidelines come down hard in favor of opening schools



Of course they have, all the data has stated it for a couple months. Get back in the school now. Everyone does realize virtual school negatively impacts poorer community students...right? We understand that don’t we? Jfc...

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[quote=Chico23231;1256408][url]https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/23/health/cdc-coronavirus-school-guidelines-new/index.html[/url]

New CDC guidelines come down hard in favor of opening schools



Of course they have, all the data has stated it for a couple months. Get back in the school now. Everyone does realize virtual school negatively impacts poorer community students...right? We understand that don’t we? Jfc...[/quote]

So , fuck the teachers , right chico?:stop:

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[quote=Giantone;1256454]So , fuck the teachers , right chico?:stop:[/quote]

And you haven’t read the research

There has been little to no evidence of transmission from children to adult.

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[quote=Chico23231;1256460]And you haven’t read the research

There has been little to no evidence of transmission from children to adult.[/quote]



Chico , please understand this ,.........that's fucking stupid ! Seriously one of the dumbest things you have ever said!



[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html[/url]

In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others.

A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.

.......and since it's the Times I'll give you another link.

[url]https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/what-scientists-know-about-how-children-spread-covid-19-180975396/[/url]


What Scientists Know About How Children Spread COVID-19
As communities struggle with the decision over whether to open up schools, the research so far offers unsatisfying answers

By Jim Morrison
SMITHSONIANMAG.COM
JULY 23, 2020

Every year, children are a major driver of transmission for the viruses that cause the flu and the common cold.
The fact that children are less likely to exhibit symptoms while infected makes the problem of determining how well they spread the coronavirus even trickier to figure out. But emerging studies and the history of the common coronaviruses being transmitted by children makes for a compelling case they can spread the COVID-19 virus.

A recent study from South Korea of 5,706 infected people and their 59,073 contacts found children under 10 transmitted less often to adults while those between the ages of 10 and 19 spread the virus as well as adults do. Households with the older children had the highest rate of spread to other members—18.6 percent— of any age group while households with younger children had the least spread, just 5.3 percent. The overall average was 11.8 percent.

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[quote=Giantone;1256464]Chico , please understand this ,.........that's fucking stupid ! Seriously one of the dumbest things you have ever said!



[url]https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/18/health/coronavirus-children-schools.html[/url]

In the heated debate over reopening schools, one burning question has been whether and how efficiently children can spread the virus to others.

A large new study from South Korea offers an answer: Children younger than 10 transmit to others much less often than adults do, but the risk is not zero. And those between the ages of 10 and 19 can spread the virus at least as well as adults do.

The findings suggest that as schools reopen, communities will see clusters of infection take root that include children of all ages, several experts cautioned.[/quote]

Yawn....g1 either choose science and look to European results or don’t.

But we know who suffers the most from virtual school

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[quote=Chico23231;1256467]Yawn....g1 either choose science and look to European results or don’t.

But we know who suffers the most from virtual school[/quote]

You seem to suffer from virtual know nothing.

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I have a lot of concerns that this will lead to the demise of public schools in America. Locally, registrations for private schools have increased over 100% from past years. I have a co-worker right now who is meeting on Thursday with a private school for her two elementary-school aged children. It was either that, or she would have to quit her job to stay home with them when school "resumes" next month.

And she won't be the only person in that situation. Many parents are going to have to quit their jobs to stay home with their children in the absence of school. I haven't spoken to one person who believes this is a "one and done" type incident. Many people i know have serious doubts that school ever returns to "normal".

And with distance learning, there is no question that the children from poorer families suffer with the experience. I can't believe people would even argue against that. And not to mention that for those poor families, school is the only place many children get a meal each day. It's sad.

What is also sad, is that America does not have a "Plan B" if these vaccine efforts fail, other than lock down again for good, permanently close schools, permanently close factories and businesses, etc..

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Trumps new coronavirus Doctor.


[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=twitter&via=desktop[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/CredibleUFO/status/1287890911767060480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1287890911767060480%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthegiantsboard.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F6696%2Fdr-fauci-on-nfl-radio%3Fpage%3D21[/url]

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[quote=Giantone;1256596]Trumps new coronavirus Doctor.


[url]https://www.thedailybeast.com/stella-immanuel-trumps-new-covid-doctor-believes-in-alien-dna-demon-sperm-and-hydroxychloroquine?source=twitter&via=desktop[/url]

[url]https://twitter.com/CredibleUFO/status/1287890911767060480?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1287890911767060480%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthegiantsboard.proboards.com%2Fthread%2F6696%2Fdr-fauci-on-nfl-radio%3Fpage%3D21[/url][/quote]

nut job

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This hydrocholoroquine shit makes ZERO. SENSE. to me. Why does he keep hyping that shit?!

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Pre presidency trump used to intentionally lie to people to see and test their reaction.

He would tell them it was 10 am when it was obviously 5 pm. He wanted to see if that person would go along with it or challenge him.

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[URL="https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/30/politics/herman-cain-dies-coronavirus/index.html"]Herman Cain dies from coronavirus[/URL]

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June 20th - attended Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.

July 1st - checked into the hospital for COVID

Rest in Peace Mr. Cain.

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Re the school debate.

Its a very local decision, at least in Maryland. Each county school board decides whether to go virtual or open. If a county decides to go open or staggered, then the parents decide whether they want to opt out or not.

Howard County floated a staggered opening so the kids would be in groups and attend some days and not others. Parents could opt out. We opted out so did the 4 other families we know.

Howard County then went all virtual for Fall.

[B]Parents will decide what is best for their kids. [/B] Period.

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[quote=SunnySide;1256740]June 20th - attended Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.

July 1st - checked into the hospital for COVID

Rest in Peace Mr. Cain.[/quote]

Hey, at least he had the freedom to choose whether or not to wear a mask to the Trump rally. That's more important than his life.

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=SunnySide;1256740]June 20th - attended Trump's Tulsa rally without a mask.

July 1st - checked into the hospital for COVID

Rest in Peace Mr. Cain.[/quote]

It’s cool everyone is high fiving his death. Good for y’all

It’s completely incompetent especially with him being high risk not to wear a mask. I don’t get the politics...it’s annoying. Even though I have a list of media articles which stated wearing masks wouldn’t help in March and April, I’ve always believed in them.

I don’t know why he would ignore the science and data...it reminds me now of the incompetence of people who think they shouldn’t have kids back in school. Why is there politics about the data and facts? There is little to no evidence of transmission from children to adults and we know the flu is more deadly than covid when it comes to the kids. And we know what community this will hurt the most.

RIP Cain, a CEO and business Jedi...highly intelligent and innovative. Raised poor but raised in a great family. Never claim victim status and lived the American dream while inspiring others to do the same. Cain crime is...he was a conservative.

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What a shit show this mask stuff has become. God only knows how many deaths were completely preventable and how long this pandemic is going to drag on because of pure stupidity. The virus doesn't care about your politics or beliefs.

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That’s rich coming from the guy who went out of his way to call the protestor killed a “coward” and seemed to celebrate his death.

I state 2 facts, wish him well ... but I’m high fiving someone’s death?

C’est la vie

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[quote=Chico23231;1256793]1)It’s cool everyone is high fiving his death. Good for y’all



2)I don’t know why he would ignore the science and data...it reminds me now of the incompetence of people who think they shouldn’t have kids back in school. Why is there politics about the data and facts? There is little to no evidence of transmission from children to adults and we know the flu is more deadly than covid when it comes to the kids. And we know what community this will hurt the most.
.[/quote]

chico............

1) I don't see anyone "high fiving" anything ,......so way to go with that lie.

2) chico , on this subject .You're ignorant so in the nicest way possible [B]"STFU"[/B] about something you seriously know nothing about.
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you. I say that becuase teaching kids and I mean young kids is what we call the family business and it's ignorant s like you that endanger everyone . I have three Teachers here in my family and you have no idea what it is they are doing to keep the kids and themselves safe( at their own expense) since it seems trump and people like you don't give a shit!


To everyone else I apologize for the rant.

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[quote=MTK;1256794]What a shit show this mask stuff has become. God only knows how many deaths were completely preventable and how long this pandemic is going to drag on because of pure stupidity. The virus doesn't care about your politics or beliefs.[/quote]




This, Amen!

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[quote=mooby;1256743]Hey, at least he had the freedom to choose whether or not to wear a mask to the Trump rally. That's more important than his life.[/quote]

Seems he thought so, wonder what trump thinks about it?

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[quote=Giantone;1256801]chico............

1) I don't see anyone "high fiving" anything ,......so way to go with that lie.

2) chico , on this subject .You're ignorant so in the nicest way possible [B]"STFU"[/B] about something you seriously know nothing about.
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you. I say that becuase teaching kids and I mean young kids is what we call the family business and it's ignorant s like you that endanger everyone . I have three Teachers here in my family and you have no idea what it is they are doing to keep the kids and themselves safe( at their own expense) since it seems trump and people like you don't give a shit!


To everyone else I apologize for the rant.[/quote]

Thanks g1 I appreciate that. I hope your family gets back to work safely soon.

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[B][I][/I][/B][B][I][/I][/B][quote=Chico23231;1256793]It’s cool everyone is high fiving his death. Good for y’all

It’s completely incompetent especially with him being high risk not to wear a mask. I don’t get the politics...it’s annoying. Even though I have a list of media articles which stated wearing masks wouldn’t help in March and April, I’ve always believed in them.

I don’t know why he would ignore the science and data...it reminds me now of the incompetence of people who think they shouldn’t have kids back in school. Why is there politics about the data and facts? [B][I]There is little to no evidence of transmission from children to adults[/I][/B] and we know the flu is more deadly than covid when it comes to the kids. And we know what community this will hurt the most.

RIP Cain, a CEO and business Jedi...highly intelligent and innovative. Raised poor but raised in a great family. Never claim victim status and lived the American dream while inspiring others to do the same. Cain crime is...he was a conservative.[/quote]

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#7752a7d019fd[/url][B][I][/I][/B]

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[quote=htownskinfan;1256816][B][I][/I][/B][B][I][/I][/B]

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/07/31/new-evidence-suggests-young-children-spread-covid-19-more-efficiently-than-adults/#7752a7d019fd[/url][B][I][/I][/B][/quote]

Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right- young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.

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[quote=Chico23231;1256817]Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right-[B][I] young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17[/I][/B]? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.[/quote]

That's what it looks like they're saying,and that they could be the driving force behind the spread.And when you think about it,it kinda makes sense,they are the ones that are going to be the least sanitary,not covering their mouths when they sneeze,less likely to be wearing a mask,etc etc.

As far as students in Sweden,I dont know if those facts are true but that seems very hard to believe,but possible I guess if they are following strict guidelines wearing their mask,washing hands etc

Re: Coronavirus (political)
 

[quote=Chico23231;1256817]Thanks...looks like one study hasn’t been peer reviewed and the other found-if I’m reading this right- young child 0-5 may be more apt to spread than 5-17? So 0-5 aren’t in school.

I still point to Sweden...never had a lockdown and have 1
Million students. There hasn’t been a cases associated where transmission between student and teacher.[/quote]

:doh:

What age is best for kindergarten?

Many children have the social, physical, and rudimentary academic skills necessary to start kindergarten by 5 or 6, but for kids who are born just before the cut-off date (making them the youngest kids in their class) or who are experiencing a slight delay, it may be better to wait a year.Mar 19, 2020

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[quote=Giantone;1256801]
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you.

To everyone else I apologize for the rant.[/quote]

G1 ... I think this is beyond the line of disagreement and discourse that i would personally like to see on here. We all have internet known each other on here for a long long time. We can disagree often and sometimes heatedly ... but idk man. This just seems to far.

just my opinion which means nothing.

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Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan on Monday revoked the authority of county officials to mandate schools close amid a clash with local health officials.

Local health officials in Maryland's Montgomery County last week made the decision to keep private and parochial schools closed through October for in-person learning, arguing that having students in the classroom would present a danger to pupils and teachers as the state grapples with COVID-19.

But Hogan amended an emergency executive order, which he issued April 5, that allowed local health departments to have the authority to close any individual facility deemed to be unsafe. He called the Montgomery County mandate "overly broad."

"The recovery plan for Maryland public schools stresses local flexibility within the parameters set by state officials," Hogan said in a statement. "Over the last several weeks, school boards and superintendents made their own decisions about how and when to reopen public schools, after consultation with state and local health officials."
[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/maryland-gov-hogan-county-authority-virtual-schools[/url]


Health officials were the ones who made the decision.

I am 100% certain Hogan only did this at the WH bidding bc of the optics of Trumps son Barron having to do virtual school.

If Barron had gone to a private school in NoVa .. I guarantee Hogan wouldnt have done this. I voted for Hogan but cutting the money for the new PG Hospital and this ... to bad the maryland dems decided to go with an unelectable candidate last go around.

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[quote=SunnySide;1256871]G1 ... I think this is beyond the line of disagreement and discourse that i would personally like to see on here. We all have internet known each other on here for a long long time. We can disagree often and sometimes heatedly ... but idk man. This just seems to far.

just my opinion which means nothing.[/quote]

This was a response to chico in post #557

............and it needs to be in context. Considering it involves my family and what happens to them.

I said ..."chico............

1) I don't see anyone "high fiving" anything ,......so way to go with that lie.

2) chico , on this subject .You're ignorant so in the nicest way possible "STFU" about something you seriously know nothing about.
You are ignorant and ignore the data some of which I posted becuase you want to spread trumps fucked up agenda , you're bias, so fuck you. I say that becuase teaching kids and I mean young kids is what we call the family business and it's ignorant s like you that endanger everyone . I have three Teachers here in my family and you have no idea what it is they are doing to keep the kids and themselves safe( at their own expense) since it seems trump and people like you don't give a shit!


To everyone else I apologize for the rant."

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[url]https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/?fbclid=IwAR3ddkMNMpE5moUfHukJ7sklgzM9gFRMdagj-ouqIOwiPQW3mLf2LroIyiQ[/url]

If there was one way to summarize my political leanings, this article would be it. I am sure some of you will ignore it or find one sentence that wasn't well researched to point out how the entire article is flawed. But you ain't gonna sway me that Trump is better than this, so save your typing.

Here's a few choice quotes:

[quote]
When the Japanese within six weeks of Pearl Harbor took control of 90 percent of the world’s rubber supply, the U.S. dropped the speed limit to 35 mph to protect tires, and then, in three years, invented from scratch a synthetic-rubber industry that allowed Allied armies to roll over the Nazis. At its peak, Henry Ford’s Willow Run Plant produced a B-24 Liberator every two hours, around the clock. Shipyards in Long Beach and Sausalito spat out Liberty ships at a rate of two a day for four years; the record was a ship built in four days, 15 hours and 29 minutes. A single American factory, Chrysler’s Detroit Arsenal, built more tanks than the whole of the Third Reich.

In the wake of the war, with Europe and Japan in ashes, the United States with but 6 percent of the world’s population accounted for half of the global economy, including the production of 93 percent of all automobiles. Such economic dominance birthed a vibrant middle class, a trade union movement that allowed a single breadwinner with limited education to own a home and a car, support a family, and send his kids to good schools. It was not by any means a perfect world but affluence allowed for a truce between capital and labor, a reciprocity of opportunity in a time of rapid growth and declining income inequality, marked by high tax rates for the wealthy, who were by no means the only beneficiaries of a golden age of American capitalism.

But freedom and affluence came with a price. The United States, virtually a demilitarized nation on the eve of the Second World War, never stood down in the wake of victory. To this day, American troops are deployed in 150 countries. Since the 1970s, China has not once gone to war; the U.S. has not spent a day at peace. President Jimmy Carter recently noted that in its 242-year history, America has enjoyed only 16 years of peace, making it, as he wrote, “the most warlike nation in the history of the world.” Since 2001, the U.S. has spent over $6 trillion on military operations and war, money that might have been invested in the infrastructure of home. China, meanwhile, built its nation, pouring more cement every three years than America did in the entire 20th century.
[/quote]

[quote]
With slogans like “24/7” celebrating complete dedication to the workplace, men and women exhausted themselves in jobs that only reinforced their isolation from their families. The average American father spends less than 20 minutes a day in direct communication with his child. By the time a youth reaches 18, he or she will have spent fully two years watching television or staring at a laptop screen, contributing to an obesity epidemic that the Joint Chiefs have called a national security crisis.

Only half of Americans report having meaningful, face-to-face social interactions on a daily basis. The nation consumes two-thirds of the world’s production of antidepressant drugs. The collapse of the working-class family has been responsible in part for an opioid crisis that has displaced car accidents as the leading cause of death for Americans under 50.

At the root of this transformation and decline lies an ever-widening chasm between Americans who have and those who have little or nothing. Economic disparities exist in all nations, creating a tension that can be as disruptive as the inequities are unjust. In any number of settings, however, the negative forces tearing apart a society are mitigated or even muted if there are other elements that reinforce social solidarity — religious faith, the strength and comfort of family, the pride of tradition, fidelity to the land, a spirit of place.

But when all the old certainties are shown to be lies, when the promise of a good life for a working family is shattered as factories close and corporate leaders, growing wealthier by the day, ship jobs abroad, the social contract is irrevocably broken. For two generations, America has celebrated globalization with iconic intensity, when, as any working man or woman can see, it’s nothing more than capital on the prowl in search of ever cheaper sources of labor.

For many years, those on the conservative right in the United States have invoked a nostalgia for the 1950s, and an America that never was, but has to be presumed to have existed to rationalize their sense of loss and abandonment, their fear of change, their bitter resentments and lingering contempt for the social movements of the 1960s, a time of new aspirations for women, gays, and people of color. In truth, at least in economic terms, the country of the 1950s resembled Denmark as much as the America of today. Marginal tax rates for the wealthy were 90 percent. The salaries of CEOs were, on average, just 20 times that of their mid-management employees.

Today, the base pay of those at the top is commonly 400 times that of their salaried staff, with many earning orders of magnitude more in stock options and perks. The elite one percent of Americans control $30 trillion of assets, while the bottom half have more debt than assets. The three richest Americans have more money than the poorest 160 million of their countrymen. Fully a fifth of American households have zero or negative net worth, a figure that rises to 37 percent for black families. The median wealth of black households is a tenth that of whites. The vast majority of Americans — white, black, and brown — are two paychecks removed from bankruptcy. Though living in a nation that celebrates itself as the wealthiest in history, most Americans live on a high wire, with no safety net to brace a fall.

With the COVID crisis, 40 million Americans lost their jobs, and 3.3 million businesses shut down, including 41 percent of all black-owned enterprises. Black Americans, who significantly outnumber whites in federal prisons despite being but 13 percent of the population, are suffering shockingly high rates of morbidity and mortality, dying at nearly three times the rate of white Americans. The cardinal rule of American social policy — don’t let any ethnic group get below the blacks, or allow anyone to suffer more indignities — rang true even in a pandemic, as if the virus was taking its cues from American history.

COVID-19 didn’t lay America low; it simply revealed what had long been forsaken. As the crisis unfolded, with another American dying every minute of every day, a country that once turned out fighter planes by the hour could not manage to produce the paper masks or cotton swabs essential for tracking the disease. The nation that defeated smallpox and polio, and led the world for generations in medical innovation and discovery, was reduced to a laughing stock as a buffoon of a president advocated the use of household disinfectants as a treatment for a disease that intellectually he could not begin to understand.

[/quote]

[quote]
Odious as he may be, Trump is less the cause of America’s decline than a product of its descent. As they stare into the mirror and perceive only the myth of their exceptionalism, Americans remain almost bizarrely incapable of seeing what has actually become of their country. The republic that defined the free flow of information as the life blood of democracy, today ranks 45th among nations when it comes to press freedom. In a land that once welcomed the huddled masses of the world, more people today favor building a wall along the southern border than supporting health care and protection for the undocumented mothers and children arriving in desperation at its doors. In a complete abandonment of the collective good, U.S. laws define freedom as an individual’s inalienable right to own a personal arsenal of weaponry, a natural entitlement that trumps even the safety of children; in the past decade alone 346 American students and teachers have been shot on school grounds.

The American cult of the individual denies not just community but the very idea of society. No one owes anything to anyone. All must be prepared to fight for everything: education, shelter, food, medical care. What every prosperous and successful democracy deems to be fundamental rights — universal health care, equal access to quality public education, a social safety net for the weak, elderly, and infirmed — America dismisses as socialist indulgences, as if so many signs of weakness.
[/quote]

[quote]
This has nothing to do with political ideology, and everything to do with the quality of life. Finns live longer and are less likely to die in childhood or in giving birth than Americans. Danes earn roughly the same after-tax income as Americans, while working 20 percent less. They pay in taxes an extra 19 cents for every dollar earned. But in return they get free health care, free education from pre-school through university, and the opportunity to prosper in a thriving free-market economy with dramatically lower levels of poverty, homelessness, crime, and inequality. The average worker is paid better, treated more respectfully, and rewarded with life insurance, pension plans, maternity leave, and six weeks of paid vacation a year. All of these benefits only inspire Danes to work harder, with fully 80 percent of men and women aged 16 to 64 engaged in the labor force, a figure far higher than that of the United States.

American politicians dismiss the Scandinavian model as creeping socialism, communism lite, something that would never work in the United States. In truth, social democracies are successful precisely because they foment dynamic capitalist economies that just happen to benefit every tier of society. That social democracy will never take hold in the United States may well be true, but, if so, it is a stunning indictment, and just what Oscar Wilde had in mind when he quipped that the United States was the only country to go from barbarism to decadence without passing through civilization.
[/quote]

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This is for the(one) Poster in Question who knows everything about kids and the Virus..............,it's called information.

How widespread is COVID-19 in children? A look at the latest data as schools reopen



[url]https://www.yahoo.com/gma/widespread-covid-19-children-look-latest-data-schools-232323196--abc-news-topstories.html[/url]

As schools across the country start to reopen, recent data shows that COVID-19 infection is on the rise in children.

The American Academy of Pediatrics, in collaboration with the Children's Hospital Association, each week surveys all publicly available data from U.S. states on child COVID-19 cases.

According to its most-recent report, as of July 30, there were 338,982 total child COVID-19 cases reported since the onset of the pandemic. That represents 8.8% of all COVID-19 cases.

In 25 states, 10% or more of reported cases were in children, the report found. The highest percentages were in Wyoming, Tennessee and New Mexico, with over 15%. New Jersey and New York City, meanwhile, had the lowest, with 3% or less.

The overall rate was 447 cases per 100,000 children in the population, the report found. Seventeen states and the District of Columbia reported more than 500 cases per 100,000 children, according to the report. Arizona had the highest rate, surpassing 1,000, while Hawaii had the lowest, under 100.

Overall, COVID-19 cases are on the rise in children: From July 16 to July 30, there was a 40% increase in child cases, the report found. The total number of cases, percentage of total cases and rate of cases in children are also the highest they've been since the AAP and CHA's first report, which examined COVID-19 data as of April 16.

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However, COVID-19-related hospitalizations and deaths in children are "uncommon," and severe illness is "rare," according to the AAP. Based on data from 43 states and New York City, children made up less than 1% of all COVID-19 deaths. Twenty states have reported zero deaths in children, and these made up as much as 3.7% of total reported COVID-19 hospitalizations in 20 states and New York City, the report found.

The professional association noted that "states should continue to provide detailed reports on COVID-19 cases, testing, hospitalizations and mortality by age so that the effects of COVID-19 on children's health can continue to be documented and monitored."

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If there was one way to summarize my political leanings, this article would be it. I am sure some of you will ignore it or find one sentence that wasn't well researched to point out how the entire article is flawed. But you ain't gonna sway me that Trump is better than this, so save your typing.

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Good morning Moody. Well written article (I only read the exerts you quoted).

I watched Wall-E last night and its message resonated with this article. While I agree with the article .. I also dont agree.

The American dream is very much alive and achievable .... if you get lucky.

Lucky - I have a friend who works at Giant just returning carts from the parking lot. He is union and I he makes almost $20 an hour with health. This guy is somewhat of a space cadet and couldnt work an office job or even a cashier job. He lives in a townhouse similar to mine but has a roommate.

Lucky and lazy (truly what is wrong with America) - Neighbors down the street, parents do not work at all. have 5 kids. Yeah they live on the poverty line but they just bought their son one of those hover board things for his birthday and live in a town house exactly like mine. All sugar foods, leave trash everywhere. The State pays for everything. The landlord is kicking them out .. but they told me they have a realtor helping them find a new rental home? Covid money? Went on vacation to fucking Florida.

Unlucky - On the flip side, my ex cannot find a job, she has interviewed a billion times with multiple grocery stores but no hire. No one wants to hire full time 40 hours. All these laces will offer you part time if you are lucky. Then you have to get lucky finding another part time job whose hours will harmonize with your other part time job.

America has failed her. She would be in a homeless shelter if I dont pay about 2.5k every month for her apartment, food, utilities etc.

Sorry for the rant .. American dream is achievable .. my ex just has to catch a break .. meanwhile people who arent even trying to find a job just live off the State and pop out a bunch of kids that go to school less than half the time and have no hope of being productive ... idk

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The maximum benefit that Americans could see during that four-month period is about $2,149. But because Trump is ordering a payroll tax deferral, not a cut, the taxes will eventually be due at a later date.

To pause payroll taxes, the Trump administration is employing a section of the tax code that allows the Treasury secretary to postpone certain tax-related deadlines during a federally declared disaster. It's the same authority the Treasury Department used earlier in the year to delay the April 15 tax-filing deadline until July 15.

The move technically makes it a deferral of payroll taxes — not a suspension — although Trump has pledged to pursue a permanent cut to the payroll taxes.

”This fake tax cut would also be a big shock to workers who thought they were getting a tax cut when it was only a delay,” Sen.Ron Wyden, the top Democrat on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement. “These workers would be hit with much bigger payments down the road.”

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/what-a-trump-payroll-tax-deferral-would-actually-mean-for-your-wallet[/url]

Wait .. what?

We'd have to pay back the taxes? WTF, no thanks man just take it out now and not later when I dont have the money.

This payroll tax cut has nothing to do with COVID as Trump has wanted this from day 1. I honestly think he just wants it bc it companies dont have to pay to match it so ti helps companies. What does he care is SS or medicare deficits bloom ... he will be out of office before shit hits the fan.

I hate Trump with every cell in my body. I will piss on his grave. That is a promise.
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President Donald Trump is said to not be worried about setting the US up for a massive debt crisis because he doesn't think it'll erupt until after he leaves office.

Sources close to the presidency told The Daily Beast that Trump had repeatedly shrugged off any concerns about the rising national debt because it was projected to come to a head only after he would finish a second term.

During a 2017 briefing with senior officials, Trump responded to a presentation of charts and graphics by saying, "Yeah, but I won't be here," according to a source The Daily Beast said witnessed the comment.
[url]https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-debt-crisis-fine-wont-be-here-report-2018-12[/url]

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Cutting payroll taxes is a cut to Social Security. Bad idea.

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"This will have zero impact on Social Security," Trump told reporters on Sunday before boarding Marine One. "We protect Social Security."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-defends-payroll-tax-deferral-wont-impact-social-security[/url]


“On the assumption I win, we are going to be terminating the payroll tax after the beginning of the new year,” Trump said during a White House press briefing on Wednesday evening.

But a high-level White House official told Fox News there have been no discussions about abolishing the tax, which is used to fund Social Security. Instead, the official said the administration is pursuing a plan to forgive the taxes that got deferred this year as a result of the executive measure.

[url]https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/white-house-trump-payroll-tax-cut-not-on-table[/url]

1. Trump says something dumb.

2. White House sources try to put out the fire (not on the table, it was sarcasm, he was just asking a question ..)

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[quote=SunnySide;1257195]"This will have zero impact on Social Security," Trump told reporters on Sunday before boarding Marine One. "We protect Social Security."

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-defends-payroll-tax-deferral-wont-impact-social-security[/url][/quote]

Ok so where will the money come from?? As usual he's talking out of his ass.