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Why would anybody in their right minds want Derek Carr?

There is absolutely no way in hell I’m sending a draft pick for him...why?

If Ron gets Carr, a first failure in the first office

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[quote=Chico23231;1276167]Why would anybody in their right minds want Derek Carr?

There is absolutely no way in hell I’m sending a draft pick for him...why?

If Ron gets Carr, a first failure in the first office[/quote]

Why??? Because he’s a pretty good QB, much much better than anyone on the roster by a mile and not too old and reasonably durable. I would not do a Stafford trade for him, but a third and Collins and I’d do it right now. What’s your plan? (Not argumentative, just asking...no way I trade for Watson because of the price so who else are you going for?)

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1276172]Why??? Because he’s a pretty good QB, much much better than anyone on the roster by a mile and not too old and reasonably durable. I would not do a Stafford trade for him, but a third and Collins and I’d do it right now. What’s your plan? (Not argumentative, just asking...no way I trade for Watson because of the price so who else are you going for?)[/quote]

Not to mention, we have a real void in players on this team that [URL="https://cdn.costumewall.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/sid.jpg"]who look like[/URL] Sid the Kid from Toy Story, and he would fill that void.

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[quote=Scalper;1276134]And you would never have enough talent around him to win anything. He is a good not great QB, especially as pocket passer.

Rams have a solid core with talent EVERYWHERE except QB, such a trade much more defensible for them, especially getting to dump the AWFUL Goff contract, he NEVER should have been extended.
Ramsey is a HOF-caliber shutdown corner, sound trade. Not opposed to ALL trades for picks, Ramsey HOF player in prime for two late 1st rounders.
They traded a total of 2 1sts (2016-2017), 2 2nds, 2 3rds for Geoff, who they just traded, and a 1st for Brandin Cook, neither player still on roster. They are mortgaging the future to win a SB next 1-2 years. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but they again have a truly stacked roster and are honestly just a QB away from contending. We don't and aren't.[/quote]

Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276174]Alright lets look at it results wise 2016 was the last year Jeff Fisher was there and the year they drafted Jared Goff, lets ignore that year because it was Jeff Fisher

2017- No first round pick 11-5 loses in divsional round (Division Champs)
2018- No first round pick loses Super Bowl (Division Champs)
2019- 9-7 missed the playoffs after losing to the 49ers in week 16 (first non playoff season under McVay
2020- Lost in divisional round to the Packers
2021- In position to win the division again


In the last 4 seasons they've made the playoffs 3 years and made a SB, and havent had a losing season since 2016 when they last had a first round pick. If you're telling me we are in the thick of things for the next 5 years off trading first round picks and will have a SB performance I dont think anyone here would say no to that.

We on the other hand havent won a playoff game since 2005 when I was a junior in high school, and are tot he point where we think journeyman Taylor Heinecke is the guy based off 5 quarters of play.

What I dont understand is, if people think Heinecke is the guy on one hand how can you not think someone like Stafford or Watson would put us in contender category[/quote]

you are using one example. i'm sure there are plenty of others that have gone the other way. if this model worked more teams would do it. but it has worked for the rams.

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[quote=Chico23231;1276167]Why would anybody in their right minds want Derek Carr?

There is absolutely no way in hell I’m sending a draft pick for him...why?

If Ron gets Carr, a first failure in the first office[/quote]

Here's an accurate assessment on Carr, he chokes in the pressure games.

[url]https://www.sacbee.com/sports/nfl/oakland-raiders/article238038199.html[/url]


Commentary: Raiders fans have lived with mediocre Derek Carr for too long

By Dieter Kurtenbach Bay Area News Group
December 04, 2019 10:38 AM

Raiders head coach Jon Gruden said in his postmortem press conference Monday that he was not going to “sit here and criticize my quarterback.”

So I guess I’ll do it for him.

Derek Carr has done plenty of admirable things in both his Raiders career and this past season, but with his team’s playoff hopes on life support following two embarrassing blowout losses, we’re back to where we were this past offseason and the offseason before that:

Carr is playing for his job – yes, once again – over the last four games of the 2019 campaign.

But really, it’s Sunday’s game against the Titans that’ll prove to be a referendum on No. 4.

And if that’s not Gruden’s perspective, then he should start listening to the fans a bit more. If I’m accurately picking up what they’re laying down, they’re over their quarterback. Forgive the anecdotal evidence, but from my perspective, it’s overwhelming. At the very least, the fan base is wholly disenchanted with Carr’s play.

Don’t call the fans fickle, either. It’s now in Carr’s sixth season at the helm of the Raiders and his second season in Gruden’s offense. The last four of those seasons can be generously called “underwhelming.”

So we’ve reached a push-comes-to-shove moment.

Gruden went to bat for Carr on Monday that saying that “he’s competing, and he’s performed very well with a lot of moving parts, and if you think that’s easy, then you’re mistaken. I compliment him for his competitiveness, his preparation and his ability to compete each week.”

It’s impossible to disagree with that assessment. Carr deserves credit for preparing the right way. Compliment him until the sun goes down. As for his level of competitiveness, I don’t know how anyone can gauge that.
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The things that really matter – his play and the results on the field – can be gauged, though. And it’s his play and the results in critical games that have most underwhelmed.

Carr hasn’t authored a win over a playoff team since October of 2017. He has four wins in 31 games against playoff teams in his career. This season, he’s 0-5 against probable playoff teams, and, in the last two weeks, when the Raiders were in a position to take control of a playoff spot in the AFC and perhaps even take the lead in the West division, Carr turned in all-time clunkers against the Jets and Chiefs.

The Chiefs’ defense and special teams scored as many points as the Raiders’ offense in Kansas City, and the Jets – the Jets that lost to the 0-11 Bengals this week – laughed at his futility all the way to a 34-3 win.

Is his and the Raiders offensive’s poor play all his fault? Of course not.

Gruden and his lack of adjustments and predictable, one-track play calling deserve blame. The Raiders defense deserves blame. A group of receivers that can’t seem separate from a pylon can get some, too.

But Carr is getting the protection he needs to be successful only to look flustered in the pocket, make bad decisions with the ball, and not see the field (or lurking safties) well. Defenses have decided to sell out to stop rookie running back Josh Jacobs in recent weeks. They’re daring Carr to beat them. He’s looked overwhelmed by the opponents and the moment.

And, taking a step back, he simply doesn’t have enough of a resume to say that he’s not a key part of the Raiders’ problems. Especially when you consider that we’ve seen quarterbacks of Carr’s pay grade do far more with less around the league.

If Carr turns in another clunker on Sunday against the Titans – a performance which would surely extinguish the Raiders’ faint playoff hopes and effectively end their season, as the contest is a de-facto playoff game – it would be downright unforgivable. I simply don’t know how he could win the fans’ trust back after that.

And I don’t know how the Raiders could justify not bringing in at least some serious competition for him next year.

After all, at the end of this season, the Raiders will have draft picks, plenty of money to spend in free agency, a palatable exit route in Carr’s contract, and a blank slate in a new state. It’s a perfect opportunity to start fresh with a new QB1, even if that franchise savior sits behind Carr, learning the ropes, for a season.

Maybe the past two games have already sealed Carr’s fate. We just don’t know it yet. Maybe Gruden is bullheaded and has so much belief in Carr that the last two games don’t matter to him, no matter how poorly the quarterback has played. But if we pretend, for a moment, that the Raiders exist in the real world – that they are, in fact, a competent NFL team – then Sunday’s game at the Coliseum is going to tell us everything we need to know about Carr.

Raiders fans have lived in a state of mediocrity for too long. Everything is on the line for the Raiders on Sunday. Carr’s tenure as the team’s starting quarterback included.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1276180]you are using one example. i'm sure there are plenty of others that have gone the other way. if this model worked more teams would do it. but it has worked for the rams.[/quote]

When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276192]When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.[/quote]

The problem I have with this line of thinking is one play could change the destiny of the franchise for the next several seasons. One play and Watson could have his leg broken in such a manner that his life would be at risk. Then what?

"Well, the franchise qb we traded for might never play again and we're out several of our high draft picks for the next couple years, but at least we can fantasize about what could've been"

I've always been about building your roster the slow draft way. If you trust your talent evaluators and they have a good working relationship with the coaching staff you can fill any position on the team, and it doesn't have to be with a first rounder either. You could build an entire team out of 3-7 late round draft picks who have become elite despite the odds.

It's why I'm not a big fan of Ron's "get wins quick" play. We have a solid foundation but we're not 1 solid qb away from contention.

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I agree with Mooby ... also Somebody is going to offer up the entire 21 draft Class plus 3 number ones total ...if not more ..if Stafford got what he did .. you can double or triple what Watson will get .Watson has had 2 acl injuries so far .. can you imagine us getting him and he suffer a horrible injury..

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[quote=rocnrik;1276200]I agree with Mooby ... also Somebody is going to offer up the entire 21 draft Class plus 3 number ones total ...if not more ..if Stafford got what he did .. you can double or triple what Watson will get .Watson has had 2 acl injuries so far .. can you imagine us getting him and he suffer a horrible injury..[/quote]

Every move, FA or otherwise, has an element of risk/reward. That would suck though. But our next three years of 1st round picks could all tear their ACLs too. Can’t play scared. You play to win.

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[quote=mooby;1276199]The problem I have with this line of thinking is one play could change the destiny of the franchise for the next several seasons. One play and Watson could have his leg broken in such a manner that his life would be at risk. Then what?

"Well, the franchise qb we traded for might never play again and we're out several of our high draft picks for the next couple years, but at least we can fantasize about what could've been"

I've always been about building your roster the slow draft way. If you trust your talent evaluators and they have a good working relationship with the coaching staff you can fill any position on the team, and it doesn't have to be with a first rounder either. You could build an entire team out of 3-7 late round draft picks who have become elite despite the odds.

It's why I'm not a big fan of Ron's "get wins quick" play. We have a solid foundation but we're not 1 solid qb away from contention.[/quote]


That could happen to anyone at any time. Chase Young could break his leg and never play again just walking down the stairs. At the end of the day to me, if we get Watson our SB window opens up. Thats the point. One SB win would make up for the last 30 years. As those have said our division is bad, there is an opportunity for us to grab a hold of it by acquiring Watso:

Eagles: coaching issues and QB controversy
Giants: Saquan coming off ACL surgery, Daniel Jones cant beat anyone but us, no real recieving weapons
Cowboys: Dak coming off injury, having to potentially pay Dak 40 million a year, and their defense and coaching is trash


The opportunity is there. Everyone agrees that with Stafford at the helm this year we would have won 10 games, no way you can convince me that Watson wouldnt have gotten us to potentially 12 wins

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[quote=SkinzWin;1276203]Every move, FA or otherwise, has an element of risk/reward. That would suck though. But our next three years of 1st round picks could all tear their ACLs too. Can’t play scared. You play to win.[/quote]

Scared money doesnt make money

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276205]Scared money doesnt make money[/quote]

Facts

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WFT has to make an offer to Houston. Evaluate the risk reward. Do due diligence. But in the end offer a legit number. If it sticks we walk into a weak division with a tremendous advantage and an opportunity to erase 20 years of mismanagement. If they don't accept it then you go to the next option.

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Here is an interesting article on Goff. Don't know if the link works but it basically says Detroit needs to trade Goff now that his contract lost the dead cap to LA. Would you give Detroit anything straight up for Goff?

[url]https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0YTVLNxt?share_id=eyJ1c2VyaWQiOjU1OTU3OTM4LCJkb2NfaWQiOiIwWVRWTE54dCIsInRpbWVzdGFtcCI6MTYxMjEyODA5Njg4OX0=&s=a7&pd=03mnDOLB&hl=en_US[/url]



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[quote=Scalper;1276135]Drafted QB: 2.3M cap hit maximum for 4 years.[/quote]

Could mean - still looking for your QB in 4 years too.

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The draft is a 50/50 hit and miss. Look at Haskins, Mariota, Gabbert , etc.

That’s why I think drafting 2 QBs was a great move with Shanny did that. It also worked out for us in the long run. Kirk had really good seasons in Washington.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276192]When has a 25 year old in their prime top 5 QB become available in the past?

Especially with all of our major contributiors on their rookie deals? If I am WFT I am on the phone with Houston right now and I'm not hanging up until we get a deal done. They want two 1sts? Fine, they want to add two 2nds as well. Ok. You want Landon Collins and someone from the DL not named Young or Sweat. Gas up the Washington Football plane.[/quote]

problem is Casserio isn't trading him so not sure why watson is being discussed. watson will put his bruised ego aside and play for houston or play for no one.

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For the people who told me I was crazy to think that Stafford might go for 3 firsts: f—- off. He went for 2 firsts, a third and a player. I was a LOT closer than those telling me to “put down the pipe”. Lol.

The pressure to get a franchise QB is HUGE NOW. This SB is proof that having a great QB is the primary ingredient to getting high into the playoffs. It is unfortunate that all the QB the WFT has tried to acquire in the last 20 years have been tainted by Dan Snyder’s personnel decisions. Snyder made very poor draft decisions every year, even though he failed again and again and again. Haskins was the last failed QB draft pick by Snyder.

Watson is going to go for AT LEAST FOUR First round draft picks. Probably more. Anyone want to tell me to “put down my pipe?” We have no chance to get Watson, unless Rivera completely loses his mind and makes an insane offer.

At this point, I do NOT think there are ANY QB FA that are worth draft picks. My only idea, is if Miami gets Watson, to go for Tua.
Once again, I got told by someone - “put down the pipe” regarding my Tua idea. It’s a long-shot but Miami has some very good draft picks to give up this year for Watson. They have as good a chance as anyone.

At this point, the WFT has TWO reasonable choices, if they don’t go for a FA QB:

1. Trade up to go for one of the TOP 3 QB draft picks. The RG3 draft pick at #2 cost them 3 first picks. He had a great first season, got hurt, then never was productive again. That high cost was to move up 4 spots in the draft. What’s it going to take to move from #19 to one of the top three QB? Who knows this crazy off-season.

2. Do a great job of researching the draft pick QB AFTER the top three Qb picks. Find a winner in the fourth or fifth QB pick. This has as good a chance as any other plan. You draft this QB and re-sign Heinicke and let them battle it out. That’s the best plan and no, I’m NOT sucking on a pipe.


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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;1276204]That could happen to anyone at any time. Chase Young could break his leg and never play again just walking down the stairs. At the end of the day to me, if we get Watson our SB window opens up. Thats the point. One SB win would make up for the last 30 years. As those have said our division is bad, there is an opportunity for us to grab a hold of it by acquiring Watso:

Eagles: coaching issues and QB controversy
Giants: Saquan coming off ACL surgery, Daniel Jones cant beat anyone but us, no real recieving weapons
Cowboys: Dak coming off injury, having to potentially pay Dak 40 million a year, and their defense and coaching is trash


The opportunity is there. Everyone agrees that with Stafford at the helm this year we would have won 10 games, no way you can convince me that Watson wouldnt have gotten us to potentially 12 wins[/quote]

i'm not convinced watson gets us to 12 wins.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276216]Here is an interesting article on Goff. Don't know if the link works but it basically says Detroit needs to trade Goff now that his contract lost the dead cap to LA. Would you give Detroit anything straight up for Goff?

[url]https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0YTVLNxt?share_id=eyJ1c2VyaWQiOjU1OTU3OTM4LCJkb2NfaWQiOiIwWVRWTE54dCIsInRpbWVzdGFtcCI6MTYxMjEyODA5Njg4OX0=&s=a7&pd=03mnDOLB&hl=en_US[/url]



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doesn't he have 100 million coming to him? no way. he may be a little better than the guys we have.

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At this point I would talk to the Jets about the 2nd overall and go for Wilson, if they decide to draft Wilson then Darnold. Option # 2 draft Mac Jones despite not playing in the Senior Bowl, he impressed the scouts.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1276222]i'm not convinced watson gets us to 12 wins.[/quote]

Key word potentially

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[IMG]https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2021/01/27105226/chiefs_run_sb_graphic.png[/IMG]

Think if we had a good QB, Like say the #2 on this list...

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The Los Angeles Times' Sam Farmer reports the Rams "made a run" at Aaron Rodgers, but that the Packers were "adamant" he is not on the block.
Rodgers had his fun stirring the pot following the Packers' NFC Championship Game loss to the Bucs, but all parties have spent the past week either strongly suggesting — in Rodgers' case — or outright insisting — in the team's case — that he will be back in Green Bay in 2021.

Rodgers isn’t going anywhere...move on from that thought

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[quote=skinsfan69;1276223]doesn't he have 100 million coming to him? no way. he may be a little better than the guys we have.[/quote]

No, that was the point of the article.
Overthecap.com has his contract as this:
year: Base Salary Roster Bonus
2021: $25,650,000 $2,500,000
2022: $10,650,000 $15,500,000
2023: $20,650,000 $5,000,000
2024: $21,650,064 $5,000,000

That is a manageable contract to take on for a QB who will be 27 this year.

I would at least explore it.

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[url]https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1355905785033854977?s=20[/url]

I just disagree that Watson is worth two first rounders, two second rounders, and 2 young quality defensive starters.

A qb is not worth 6 quality-to-elite players. Not realistic. Our playoff hopes don't hinge on Deshaun Watson.

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[quote=mooby;1276231][url]https://twitter.com/McClain_on_NFL/status/1355905785033854977?s=20[/url]

I just disagree that Watson is worth two first rounders, two second rounders, and 2 young quality defensive starters.

A qb is not worth 6 quality-to-elite players. Not realistic. Our playoff hopes don't hinge on Deshaun Watson.[/quote]

Take out the 2 defensive starters and I'd do it

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F.. that!! I would not trade Curl or Sweat, that would be stupid.

[url]https://fansided.com/2021/01/31/washington-football-team-backup-plan-missing-out-matthew-stafford/?a_aid=40734&fbclid=IwAR0eUMgDHxZ9Vtdy7HGKt378315oEOcJ-G5MqigMCA3zGOcBRUXLs74F-4A[/url]

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;1276233]F.. that!! I would not trade Curl or Sweat, that would be stupid.

[url]https://fansided.com/2021/01/31/washington-football-team-backup-plan-missing-out-matthew-stafford/?a_aid=40734&fbclid=IwAR0eUMgDHxZ9Vtdy7HGKt378315oEOcJ-G5MqigMCA3zGOcBRUXLs74F-4A[/url][/quote]

I'd rather not use players. Losing Payne would be a huge loss

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[quote=skinsfaninok;1276234]I'd rather not use players. Losing Payne would be a huge loss[/quote]

Yep, if I was forced to trade a Dlineman, it would have to be Matt I. Or Allen who will be FA next year The team proved it played well without him. I hate the thought of this.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1276235]Yep, if I was forced to trade a Dlineman, it would have to be Matt I. Or Allen who will be FA next year The team proved it played well without him. I hate the thought of this.[/QUOTE]I like Matt I. as much as Payne if he stays healthy. I would be fine giving up Payne and Curl but only 3 total picks.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276236]I like Matt I. as much as Payne if he stays healthy. I would be fine giving up Payne and Curl but only 3 total picks.

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No way would I trade Curl, we haven’t a S like him in a long time, Collins is not even close.

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[QUOTE=SFREDSKIN;1276237]No way would I trade Curl, we haven’t a S like him in a long time, Collins is not even close.[/QUOTE]We haven't had a qb like watson period.

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I still can't imagine Watson in DC.. I think the talk about it is fun but how do we pull that off? I don't see it

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1276238]We haven't had a qb like watson period.

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Watson is great but hasn’t won anything and that’s way too much to give. I offer 3 1st, a 2nd and either Matt I. Or Payne, no more.

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;1276239]I still can't imagine Watson in DC.. I think the talk about it is fun but how do we pull that off? I don't see it[/QUOTE]I don't either, but a year ago at this time, I didn't see us giving up the name Redskins, us winning the division, being stuck in a house for 10 months or a slew of other things. Adding a 10 year franchise QB would be one more crazy turn of events.

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1. Montez Sweat
2. 2021 1st and 3rd
3. 2022 1st
4. deetz nutz in your mouf
5. Ham sandwich


For Watson

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[quote=Chico23231;1276242]1. Montez Sweat
2. 2021 1st and 3rd
3. 2022 1st
4. deetz nutz in your mouf
5. Ham sandwich


For Watson[/quote]

Fuck no!! Sweat should be untouchable.

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Hard to say Watson isn’t a winner when he’s only 25 and played with a SHiT franchise/ coach his whole career. He has won a playoff game and been to a few. He also played toe to toe with Mahomes. I definitely want the guy but I also don’t want to give up half the damn team for him. Only time will tell I suppose