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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285243]He beat, arguably, the greatest regular season team in NFL history in the 2007 Patriots. This team didn't just go 16-0 but utterly annihilated their opponents including the Redskins 52-7. Eli made the plays in the moment and slayed the greatest dragon in NFL history. Tyree did make a great play for sure but none of this happens without Eli. Prior to knocking off the greatest team in NFL history, Eli went into Dallas and Green Bay and beat 2 very, very good teams also in the playoff run.

He also beat a 13-3 New England team in 2012 to bring home a 2nd Lombardi throwing for nearly 300 yards and playing better than Tom Brady.

In both years, he did enough to get his team to the playoffs and bring home 2 Lombardis. He's a 4x Pro Bowler who was also extremely durable. What he did in both Super Bowl runs is absolutely legendary. Him being a Hall of Famer is not even a question. It is a certainty.[/quote]

Woof. I was pretty solidly against his jersey being retired, but now you wanna argue the HOF is a certainty?

Ya'll fuckers crazy. You let Eli in the HOF and every other statistically average QB with 1-2 titles is gonna want in.

I'll move the goalposts on this one, you can retire his jersey and plaster his derp face all over NY but helllllllllll no if he wants to be in the HOF he can buy a ticket like the rest of us.

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[quote=mooby;1285248]Woof. I was pretty solidly against his jersey being retired, but now you wanna argue the HOF is a certainty?

Ya'll fuckers crazy. You let Eli in the HOF and every other statistically average QB with 1-2 titles is gonna want in.

I'll move the goalposts on this one, you can retire his jersey and plaster his derp face all over NY but helllllllllll no if he wants to be in the HOF he can buy a ticket like the rest of us.[/quote]

Read my post above. Peter King and the NY media will make sure Eli makes the Hall.

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2 SB wins against golden boy Brady will get him in. Plus the Manning name helps too. I think he's all but certain to get in even though I think a strong case against him can certainly be made. Like a .500 overall regular season record, but whatever. It's just how this works.

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[quote=TheMalcolmConnection;1285241]If he's in the conversation, Flacco would have to be too...[/quote]

Why ?

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[quote=mooby;1285239]This is a debate I'm willing to have.

#1, he didn't do it single-handedly. He was surrounded by great talent - mainly on the defensive line that was the main reason Brady was held in check - and the offense did just enough to win. Both games. You gonna retire David Tyree's # too? Because I would argue without him Manning only has 1 ring.

The man is absolutely deserving of the ring-of-fame, or whatever the Giants equivalent is. But retiring a number? For a mildly-above average qb (and that's being complimentary) who had many average seasons despite the talent around him?

The Giants are basically saying you can be an average player who does 10-15 years and helps win a couple titles and that's good enough to have your jersey retired.

Name recognition strikes again - first it plagues the Pro Bowl, now this. This is how it starts.[/quote]



#1 No QB or player ever does it by himself ,it's a team sport but he did get voted MVP ,twice for the biggest game of the season.

#2..Check the stats , he is in the top ten of all QB records , like it or not.

#3 , "10-15 years" ,...in the NFL, as a QB? You act like anyone can do it .Yes he's a Manning but a Manning whom played for 16 years won two Super Bowls and was voted MVP of both games ,your arguments don't hold up.

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Former Washington Football Team running back Derrius Guice had four misdemeanor charges, including three counts of assault and battery, against him dropped Wednesday morning after a settlement was reached with his ex-girlfriend.

[url]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31693527/domestic-violence-charges-dropped-former-washington-rb-derrius-guice[/url]

Probably the last time I hear or think of this guy again.

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[quote=Giantone;1285258]#1 No QB or player ever does it by himself ,it's a team sport but he did get voted MVP ,twice for the biggest game of the season.

#2..Check the stats , he is in the top ten of all QB records , like it or not.

#3 , "10-15 years" ,...in the NFL, as a QB? You act like anyone can do it .Yes he's a Manning but a Manning whom played for 16 years won two Super Bowls and was voted MVP of both games ,your arguments don't hold up.[/quote]

I hate your “Giant” truths.

But, unlike the current counter culture, I face truths as they are, not as I would like them to be.

Your argument rings true in my ears.

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[quote=MTK;1285256]2 SB wins against golden boy Brady will get him in. Plus the Manning name helps too. I think he's all but certain to get in even though I think a strong case against him can certainly be made. Like a .500 overall regular season record, but whatever. It's just how this works.[/quote]But that's the thing, no one cares or remembers the regular season. There are so many professional athletes that play great in the regular season and choke when it's on the line. Heck it happened last night with Paul George (know it's NBA). Anyway, there are few qbs who could have done what Eli did: beating the greatest team in NFL history and the greatest qb in NFL history not once but twice in the Super Bowl.

No one gives a crap about his regular season record man. Do you think anyone remembers the 2007 Giants with 6 losses in the regular season? Of course not. Everyone knows what they are remembered for.

Case closed. He's in.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285267]But that's the thing, no one cares or remembers the regular season. There are so many professional athletes that play great in the regular season and choke when it's on the line. Heck it happened last night with Paul George (know it's NBA). Anyway, there are few qbs who could have done what Eli did: beating the greatest team in NFL history and the greatest qb in NFL history not once but twice in the Super Bowl.

No one gives a crap about his regular season record man. Do you think anyone remembers the 2007 Giants with 6 losses in the regular season? Of course not. Everyone knows what they are remembered for.

Case closed. He's in.[/quote]

Yeah I said he's in. But any case against him will include his .500 record and go from there. Not that it will matter though.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285247]Sorry no Eli for the HOF until Jacoby is in. Oh that’s right Peter King will continue to make sure Joe doesn’t get in but will make sure Eli is in on the first ballot.[/quote]

First I remember JJ and yes I think he should be in but I admit I don't know why you thing Peter King is holding it up?

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[quote=Giantone;1285270]First I remember JJ and yes I think he should be in but I admit I don't know why you thing Peter King is holding it up?[/quote]

Peter King has said that Jacoby doesn’t deserve to be in because he gave up a couple sacks to a coked up LT in the 86 NFC Championship. He also kept Art Monk out of the Hall for years because “he was a possession receiver on a running team and didn’t have a signature play in any of the Super Bowls he was in”. Basically he’s a Giants homer who hates the Skins and was a vocal opponent of the name and uses his influence in the reporting world against the Redskins.

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[quote=MTK;1285268]Yeah I said he's in. But any case against him will include his .500 record and go from there. Not that it will matter though.[/quote]His regular season record could have been better, and he did throw a lot of picks but his overall body of work warrants entrance. He was never given enough recognition for durability and arm strength. He never played scared and played to win. It worked with 2 rings.

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Take away the 2 rings though and he's very likely not in. His regular season stats were good to pretty good over a long period of time. He was never considered to be elite. Can't take away the rings though obviously, the postseason will punch his HOF ticket.

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[quote=MTK;1285273]Take away the 2 rings though and he's very likely not in. His regular season stats were good to pretty good over a long period of time. He was never considered to be elite. Can't take away the rings though obviously, the postseason will punch his HOF ticket.[/quote]

He should have the defensive line up there during his speech as they are the reason the Giants won those two games.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285274]He should have the defensive line up there during his speech as they are the reason the Giants won those two games.[/quote]

Big part yes, as I said no one does it by themselves .You must remember it just wasn't those two games ,it was the run up to and including those games .

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I hear this is the picture they're using to make his bust

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285271]Peter King has said that Jacoby doesn’t deserve to be in because he gave up a couple sacks to a coked up LT in the 86 NFC Championship. He also kept Art Monk out of the Hall for years because “he was a possession receiver on a running team and didn’t have a signature play in any of the Super Bowls he was in”. Basically he’s a Giants homer who hates the Skins and was a vocal opponent of the name and uses his influence in the reporting world against the Redskins.[/quote]

I guess I missed that , I never heard him say it but as for being a Giants Homer I have to disagree with you . He voted not to induct Harry Carson in and for that reason alone he needs a body guard in the NY area.

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Even if King is against Jacoby getting in or anti-Redskins which I think is nonsense, he's not the only voter.

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[quote=MTK;1285276]I hear this is the picture they're using to make his bust

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lol,nah. It's this one.

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Ironically, both SBs are clinched by his WRs making incredible catches on his questionable Grossman-style "let's chuck it as far as I can into double coverage and see what happens" throws.

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[quote=Monkeydad;1285281]Ironically, both SBs are clinched by his WRs making incredible catches on his questionable Grossman-style "let's chuck it as far as I can into double coverage and see what happens" throws.

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In pic one , Eli doesn't escape game is over. pic two perfect ball placement

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The scramble on that Tyree catch was so clutch, I thought they would blow it dead for being in the grasp of a defender. replay here does it no justice.

Hes probably in. Super Bowl heroics count.

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[quote=Giantone;1285280]lol,nah. It's this one.

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I'm pretty sure that 2nd picture is the only time in his career (life?) I saw him smile. I've no doubt he's a good guy and all, but he always looked a miserable b"£%h :D

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[quote=AnonEmouse;1285286]I'm pretty sure that 2nd picture is the only time in his career (life?) I saw him smile. I've no doubt he's a good guy and all, but he always looked a miserable b"£%h [/quote]

90% of the time, he looked confused.

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Worth the repost.

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Gotta love the Eli hate.

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[quote=Giantone;1285290]Gotta love the Eli hate.[/quote]

The derp photos are watering down my argument. :doh:

To me, the HOF is a place for those who have had exemplary careers - careers being the definitive word here. Not those who had a couple great postseason runs and a fairly average (measured by W-L ratio, TD-TO ratio) career in all other respects. If Manning gets in, it's because of two postseason runs and his last name. That's all you got in his defense. That does not strike me as crossing the threshold of being worthy of induction.

To everyone else it does apparently. C'est la vie.

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[quote=mooby;1285294]The derp photos are watering down my argument. :doh:

To me, the HOF is a place for those who have had exemplary careers - careers being the definitive word here. Not those who had a couple great postseason runs and a fairly average (measured by W-L ratio, TD-TO ratio) career in all other respects. If Manning gets in, it's because of two postseason runs and his last name. That's all you got in his defense. That does not strike me as crossing the threshold of being worthy of induction.

To everyone else it does apparently. C'est la vie.[/quote]In the 1st SB bowl run, he goes into 13-3 Dallas and wins in the playoffs. Next up in the playoffs, he goes into 13-3 Green Bay and wins. 16-0 and greatest team in NFL history Patriots with the greatest qb in NFL history. Eli takes them out too. The Tyree catch was incredible but Eli eluding pressure and not getting sacked prior was legendary also. Either way, he slayed the dragon.

In the 2nd run, he goes into the #1 seed Packers and takes them out. Next up, he goes into #2 SF and takes them out. He's still not done of course. Nope time to beat the greatest qb in NFL history again. Eli takes out 13-3 New England AGAIN for his 2nd Lombardi. But, I know these unbelievable runs aren't enough for you so below is why he should get in in addition to these runs.

1) 4x Pro Bowler
2) 57,000 passing yards
3) He started 210 consecutive games in from 2004 never missing a game from injury.
4) 2 Super Bowl Rings

When he retired in 2020 he held the following records:

6th in NFL history in attempts.
7th in NFL history in completions.
7th in NFL history in passing yards.
7th in NFL history in TD passes.

These are the exemplary numbers you have been looking for.

You honestly thinking winning 2 Super Bowls (1 beating the greatest team in NFL history with the greatest qb) and the 2nd just beating the greatest qb along with being in the top 7 of vital stats in NFL history in the most important position in football isn't worthy go entrance into the HOF?

Again case closed. Absolutely no doubt he's in.

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[quote=The Skinsinator;1285297]In the 1st SB bowl run, he goes into 13-3 Dallas and wins in the playoffs. Next up in the playoffs, he goes into 13-3 Green Bay and wins. 16-0 and greatest team in NFL history Patriots with the greatest qb in NFL history. Eli takes them out too. The Tyree catch was incredible but Eli eluding pressure and not getting sacked prior was legendary also. Either way, he slayed the dragon.

In the 2nd run, he goes into the #1 seed Packers and takes them out. Next up, he goes into #2 SF and takes them out. He's still not done of course. Nope time to beat the greatest qb in NFL history again. Eli takes out 13-3 New England AGAIN for his 2nd Lombardi. But, I know these unbelievable runs aren't enough for you so below is why he should get in in addition to these runs.

1) 4x Pro Bowler
2) 57,000 passing yards
3) He started 210 consecutive games in from 2004 never missing a game from injury.
4) 2 Super Bowl Rings

When he retired in 2020 he held the following records:

6th in NFL history in attempts.
7th in NFL history in completions.
7th in NFL history in passing yards.
7th in NFL history in TD passes.

These are the exemplary numbers you have been looking for.

You honestly thinking winning 2 Super Bowls (1 beating the greatest team in NFL history with the greatest qb) and the 2nd just beating the greatest qb along with being in the top 7 of vital stats in NFL history in the most important position in football isn't worthy go entrance into the HOF?

Again case closed. Absolutely no doubt he's in.[/quote]

I'll concede his SB runs are up there with the best in history, that's the #1 argument. But in today's wide-open passing game his numbers don't stack up against the other consensus HOFers - your Favre, P. Manning's, Brady, Brees, Rodgers

Every average-to-above-average qb to come along in the last 20 years is going to have numbers that look comparable or-better to the HOFers of the 50-00's.

For me it's the .500 record for his career. It's the 0-7 in division titles following his last SB win. Great qb's - your Peyton's, Brees, Rodgers - win division titles despite the lack of a quality team around them. What season did he elevate the rest of the roster around him despite the lack of quality talent? Elite qb's do that every year.

It's his 366-244 TD-INT ratio. It's his 373-345 combined TD-TO ratio (passing/rushing TD's vs. INT's and fumbles lost). For his career - he's not even in the hall of very good. He's slightly above-average. His two biggest arguments are being an iron man and two stud postseason runs. That is not good enough. Not in a league where a guy who retired as the all-time receptions leader wasn't let in for 20 years.

Eli might make it in someday on the Seniors Committee - just for nostalgia. But his stats do not compare. They don't even compare to on-the-cusp HOFers like Phillip Rivers or Matt Ryan. Yards is an empty stat - Rivers has 63k. Rivers also has a 2-1 career TD/interception ratio - 421 to 209. But he doesn't have any postseason success. If you are a qb from the last 20-30 years of the modern passing game - you either need an all-time great regular season career with 1-2 titles (P. Manning, Brees, Rodgers, Wilson) or GOAT argument (Brady). You can't be slightly above-average with 2 titles - Eli. This isn't the Hall of Good. It's the Hall of Fame.

I still concede he'll probably get in because the 2 titles, his iron-man run, and his last name. But he ain't getting in because he was part of the wave of elite qb's to come along in the last 20 years.

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[quote=mooby;1285294]The derp photos are watering down my argument. :doh:

To me, the HOF is a place for those who have had exemplary careers - careers being the definitive word here. Not those who had a couple great postseason runs and a fairly average (measured by W-L ratio, TD-TO ratio) career in all other respects. If Manning gets in, it's because of two postseason runs and his last name. That's all you got in his defense. That does not strike me as crossing the threshold of being worthy of induction.

To everyone else it does apparently. C'est la vie.[/quote]

Honest question here, Joe Namath HOF career?

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[quote=Giantone;1285302]Honest question here, Joe Namath HOF career?[/quote]

Different era's, can't compare. If he played in today's NFL? Probably not.

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[QUOTE=Giantone;1285302]Honest question here, Joe Namath HOF career?[/QUOTE]


He had one year where his TD’s were more than his int’s and completed 50 percent of his passes for his career. Absolutely not. But he was a movie star quarterback and won a superbowl for the Jets so…

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lol can't compare Namath to QBs of today, he played when the passing game was in the dinosaur age.

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[QUOTE=MTK;1285308]lol can't compare Namath to QBs of today, he played when the passing game was in the dinosaur age.[/QUOTE]


Compare him to his peers though, his numbers were still not good. More Ints than td’s in 11 out of 12 years? Thats awful.
Jonny U, Fran Tarkenton, etc.

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As for Eli, I cannot put him
In based on rings that his defense won. I dont even think rings should have anything to do with it. Marino is obviously a hall of famer. Dilfer is obviously not.
Rings have too much to do with circumstance and situation which is completely beyond their control. Put Dan Marino on the 2000’s Giants team with that D and he certainly wins a couple. Put Eli on those Dolphins teams he wins zero and they probably dont even sniff playing in one. You have to look at career numbers.

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[quote=punch it in;1285310]As for Eli, I cannot put him
In based on rings that his defense won. I dont even think rings should have anything to do with it. Marino is obviously a hall of famer. Dilfer is obviously not.
Rings have too much to do with circumstance and situation which is completely beyond their control. Put Dan Marino on the 2000’s Giants team with that D and he certainly wins a couple. Put Eli on those Dolphins teams he wins zero and they probably dont even sniff playing in one. You have to look at career numbers.[/quote]

So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.

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[quote=MTK;1285311]So when you say career numbers are you talking about regular season only? Because the postseason counts too when talking about a career resume. And fair or not it's going to be weighed more heavily especially when you win 2. Everyone knows Marino was a brilliant QB who was stuck on mostly mediocre teams. And everyone knows Dilfer was a terrible QB who played with one of the best all time defenses. There's context to everything.[/quote]

And everyone knows that the Giants defense was the reason those Super Bowls were won so that context matters too.

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We can hate it all we want but he also won two SB MVPs, more context

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[quote=MTK;1285313]We can hate it all we want but he also won two SB MVPs, more context[/quote]

So did Mark Rypien.

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[quote=MissouriSkin;1285314]So did Mark Rypien.[/quote]

Ryp won 1