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[quote=Chico23231;1286976]The only button I’m buying is Nikki Haley/Ron DeSantis 2024

A vote for Real leadership


But it really amazing how much folks miss Trump.[/quote]

Nikki Haley would be my 1st choice, not sure about DeSantis. Problem is the extreme portion of Trumpsters (His original 25-30%) hate anyone but Trump (Heck look how they view Pence now and anyone who they perceive to have even slightly crossed Trump) and won't support anyone else that isn't as crazy as him (example I think they'd have to push the idea that the election was stolen). These are people who love Marjorie Taylor Green, so I think you can write off Republicans winning in 2024.

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[quote=nonniey;1286986]Nikki Haley would be my 1st choice, not sure about DeSantis. Problem is the extreme portion of Trumpster's (His original 25-30%) hate anyone but Trump (Heck look how they view Pence now and anyone who they perceive to have even slightly crossed Trump) and won't support anyone else that isn't as crazy as him (example I think they'd have to push the idea that the election was stolen). These are people who love Marjorie Taylor Green, so I think you can write off Republicans winning in 2024.[/quote]

That's an interesting point, hard to see the Trump worshippers getting behind a more mainstream option. The Republicans could definitely have a big problem with anyone not named Trump on the ticket.

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Trump needs a card that says:

Trump: Fucking up the republican party since 2020

By 2024, that will be in play for 5 years.

Note - I know most of you have hated him since before be was elected. Above is more from a righties point of view.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1286988]Trump needs a card that says:

Trump: Fucking up the republican party since 2020

By 2024, that will be in play for 5 years.

Note - I know most of you have hated him since before be was elected. Above is more from a righties point of view.[/quote]

Correction - fucking up the Republican party since 2015. Trump was one of the best things that could have happened for the Dems. Hillary was going to lose no matter who she faced in 2016, so the Dems got someone that quickly wrecked the Republican Party, essentially destroyed the conservative movement (replaced by populist rightists), lost both houses of congress and then lost the Presidency.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286985]This is great news…grateful a lot of these states are rolling back these unnecessary welfare benefits.

Plus the eviction welfare program is really troubling as it is not only unconstitutional, there is no reason for it. The money has been allocated and unused. Once again federal officials and city governments can’t deliver[/quote]






You're like trump , you make up BS and then spin to fit a bias agenda.

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[quote=Chico23231;1286976]The only button I’m buying is Nikki Haley/Ron DeSantis 2024

A vote for Real leadership


But it really amazing how much folks miss Trump.[/quote]

Haley was governor of my native state and she failed immensely to govern. As for DeSantis we don’t need him monkeying up the country

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287005]Haley was governor of my native state and she failed immensely to govern. As for DeSantis we don’t need him monkeying up the country[/quote]

Who is your early favorite for 2024?

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[quote=Chico23231;1286976]

But it really amazing how much folks miss Trump.[/quote]




............................like you?

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287007]Who is your early favorite for 2024?[/quote]

Hogan from Maryland.

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Massachusetts delta cases rising just as fast as others, yet some dope is erecting tents for a mega birthday bash there..

What a clown

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[quote=Chico23231;1287011]Massachusetts delta cases rising just as fast as others, yet some dope is erecting tents for a mega birthday bash there..

What a clown[/quote]

Find me a pic of trump wearing a mask at his last pep rally? keep trying chico you're swinging at the air.

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[quote=Giantone;1287010]Hogan from Maryland.[/quote]

I think he'd be great but there is no way he could get nominated in today's GOP.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1287007]Who is your early favorite for 2024?[/quote]

That is a great question. I honestly don’t know. I like Hogan for the Republican nomination but like nonniey said I don’t think he would get the nomination. If he was a politician in my home state he would have a D next to his name. Ideally I want an environmental conservative but that seems to be toxic at the national level

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DeSantis has done a good job, and that’s why the national media hates him.

The national media started last year testing out future targets after trump lost the election. They tested McConnell…he doesn’t move the needle and has the ability to quietly feed the national media criticism back to them with single points ie killing the filibuster, packing the court etc.

The media then tested Tucker and had some success raising national hate campaign against him. Because that’s why they do this: to lie and run like a opposition campaign so people will hate him. Ie Kavenaugh…Covington Kids. These were campaign of hate against innocent folks who weren’t even politicians. That’s really something to think about.

Now DeSantis has been at the forefront of the media campaign of hate for the last 3 months. And it’s picked up steam simply because of the delta variant which has caused cases to rise everywhere…some places at a higher rate…Oregon,mass, Delaware per cap per million. But the reason DeSantis is hated mainly is because he’s governor extremely well for his state. If your position is he hasn’t, then you are partsian clown and completely wrong.

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Did anyone catch the main event Friday night on Bill Mahar? Shapiro has become the strongest conservative thinker in the modern era. I think his ability to avoid the Trump obsessed side of the gop as well as national media and Dems..to simply talk thru issues and point out the failures of Democratic policies as well as the media disparity of coverage is really something to watch.

Of course his fast talking cadence is annoying and will cause me to laugh, he is constantly trying to get in every side and point of a issue. He is a brilliant guy

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287027]That is a great question. I honestly don’t know. I like Hogan for the Republican nomination but like nonniey said I don’t think he would get the nomination. If he was a politician in my home state he would have a D next to his name. Ideally I want an environmental conservative but that seems to be toxic at the national level[/quote]

Environmental Conservative??? Is this someone who is environmental friendly but uses common sense when it comes to energy issues (ie supports clean fossil fuel efforts, US development of fossil fuels instead of forcing them to be developed by dirtier countries(Keystone) etc?)

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[quote=Chico23231;1287032]DeSantis has done a good job, and that’s why the national media hates him. .[/quote]

Bull shit chico...................

[url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/07/23/when-does-floridas-coronavirus-surge-become-problem-ron-desantis[/url]

[url]https://www.politico.com/newsletters/florida-playbook/2021/07/20/desantis-deflects-on-rising-covid-19-numbers-biden-to-get-the-disney-world-treatment-493646[/url]

[url]https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/08/07/florida-sets-new-covid-case-record-for-second-straight-day/?sh=9b2f0813bd5b[/url]

[url]https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/08/06/florida-breaks-covid-case-and-hospitalization-records-again[/url]

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/video/135-children-hospitalized-for-covid-in-florida-as-state-sets-new-overall-hospitalization-record/[/url]

[url]https://www.floridatrend.com/article/31916/florida-leads-the-nation-in-kids-hospitalized-for-covid[/url]

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[quote=MTK;1284513]Identity politics on the left and personality cults on the right. Everyone in the middle loses.[/quote]


Nailed it.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287033]Did anyone catch the main event Friday night on Bill Mahar? Shapiro has become the strongest conservative thinker in the modern era. I think his ability to avoid the Trump obsessed side of the gop as well as national media and Dems..to simply talk thru issues and point out the failures of Democratic policies as well as the media disparity of coverage is really something to watch.

Of course his fast talking cadence is annoying and will cause me to laugh, he is constantly trying to get in every side and point of a issue. He is a brilliant guy[/quote]

[URL="https://www.thedailybeast.com/ben-shapiro-embarrasses-himself-on-real-time-with-bill-maher"]Ben Shapiro Embarrasses Himself on ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’[/URL]

The right-wing troll even boasted, “I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money.”

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[YT]XyCNxugvs6s[/YT]

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[quote=chico23231;1287011]florida delta cases rising faster than others, yet some dope doesn't take that shit seriously and still hosts all his friends and supporters at his compound down there - most of them probably unvaccinated too (and the ones that are vaccinated are probably shitting on the vaccine in public so as to not offend their supporters)

what a clown[/quote]

ftfy

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[quote=Chico23231;1287032]DeSantis has done a good job, and that’s why the national media hates him.

The national media started last year testing out future targets after trump lost the election. They tested McConnell…he doesn’t move the needle and has the ability to quietly feed the national media criticism back to them with single points ie killing the filibuster, packing the court etc.

The media then tested Tucker and had some success raising national hate campaign against him. Because that’s why they do this: to lie and run like a opposition campaign so people will hate him. Ie Kavenaugh…Covington Kids. These were campaign of hate against innocent folks who weren’t even politicians. That’s really something to think about.

Now DeSantis has been at the forefront of the media campaign of hate for the last 3 months. And it’s picked up steam simply because of the delta variant which has caused cases to rise everywhere…some places at a higher rate…Oregon,mass, Delaware per cap per million. But the reason DeSantis is hated mainly is because he’s governor extremely well for his state. If your position is he hasn’t, then you are partsian clown and completely wrong.[/quote]

[URL="https://www.google.com/search?q=florida+covid+cases&oq=florida+covid+cases&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i131i433i512l2j0i131i433j0i131i433i457i512j0i131i433i512l4j0i3.3087j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8"]DeSantis has done such a good job[/URL] apparently.

I guess we're not counting available hospital beds in the great job he's done.

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[quote=MTK;1287052][URL="https://www.thedailybeast.com/ben-shapiro-embarrasses-himself-on-real-time-with-bill-maher"]Ben Shapiro Embarrasses Himself on ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’[/URL]

The right-wing troll even boasted, [B]“I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money.”[/B][/quote]

As someone who doesn't sleep on a bed of money on any night - I am interested in Shapiro's lecture and would like to learn more.

If all I gotta do is say masks are more authoritarian than trying to stop the electoral process from happening - well I guess I need to become the next to sell out.

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[IMG]https://i.redd.it/93g5sn8b5bg71.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=nonniey;1287034]Environmental Conservative??? Is this someone who is environmental friendly but uses common sense when it comes to energy issues (ie supports clean fossil fuel efforts, US development of fossil fuels instead of forcing them to be developed by dirtier countries(Keystone) etc?)[/quote]

Why is it always energy issues that republicans are so worried about? Clean fossil fuels? a bit oxymoronic but I would be in favor of natural gas production. Keystone is a joke, a grand total of a couple dozen long term jobs, no impact on our gas prices. Prior to my current job I worked on the EIS for some national and regional pipelines they are a racket that benefits the production companies and politicians only.

You find me a Republican (or a non progressive democrat for that matter) that will eliminate coal, create a more than fair economic package for the coal workers (not the corporations) for the impact to their current career, would be willing to move keystone off of native lands, internalize the health and environmental costs of petroleum and eliminate the 14% federally guaranteed profits that companies get just for building a pipeline through FERC and I would be more than interested at looking at where they stand on other issues.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287062][IMG]https://i.redd.it/93g5sn8b5bg71.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

wtf man? GI "bubba" Joe? Gun culture is so cringe

Finger on the trigger while on the phone FFS

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[quote=MTK;1287052][URL="https://www.thedailybeast.com/ben-shapiro-embarrasses-himself-on-real-time-with-bill-maher"]Ben Shapiro Embarrasses Himself on ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’[/URL]

The right-wing troll even boasted, “I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money.”[/quote]

Marlow Stern….lololol “senior entertainment editor”

Imagine me even considering this clown a viable opinion. The guy is a complete joke even in his safe space industry.

Shapiro embarrassed Nance and actually played nice at first. But with Shap, once you go insults he throws down the gauntlet and went full nuclear

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287066]Why is it always energy issues that republicans are so worried about? Clean fossil fuels? a bit oxymoronic but I would be in favor of natural gas production. Keystone is a joke, a grand total of a couple dozen long term jobs, no impact on our gas prices. Prior to my current job I worked on the EIS for some national and regional pipelines they are a racket that benefits the production companies and politicians only.

You find me a Republican (or a non progressive democrat for that matter) that will eliminate coal, create a more than fair economic package for the coal workers (not the corporations) for the impact to their current career, would be willing to move keystone off of native lands, internalize the health and environmental costs of petroleum and eliminate the 14% federally guaranteed profits that companies get just for building a pipeline through FERC and I would be more than interested at looking at where they stand on other issues.[/quote]

The Nixon nuclear plan would have reduced emissions substantially. We would beat bench marks 20 years ago.

Also…have you seen the China chart of coal plants planned out? And what are in use now?

When it’s comes to the environment, tell me what we need to do to stop China..the genocide, plague creating shithole it is

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[quote=MTK;1287052][URL="https://www.thedailybeast.com/ben-shapiro-embarrasses-himself-on-real-time-with-bill-maher"]Ben Shapiro Embarrasses Himself on ‘Real Time with Bill Maher’[/URL]

The right-wing troll even boasted, “I will comfort myself tonight by sleeping on my bed made of money.”[/quote]

Well just looked at the debate on CRT from that show and ...... it really seems to me that it was Malcolm Nance that embarrassed himself and not so much Shapiro. Malcolm was acting like a petulant child.

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[quote=Chico23231;1287069]Marlow Stern….lololol “senior entertainment editor”

Imagine me even considering this clown a viable opinion. The guy is a complete joke even in his safe space industry.

Shapiro embarrassed Nance and actually played nice at first. But with Shap, once you go insults he throws down the gauntlet and went full nuclear[/quote]

I don't need anyone to tell me Shapiro is a cringe troll, but that's the only article I found about that episode.

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[quote=mooby;1287056]ftfy[/quote]

Deep pull of copium to write this mooby

Incredible

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[quote=Chico23231;1287070]The Nixon nuclear plan would have reduced emissions substantially. We would beat bench marks 20 years ago.

Also…have you seen the China chart of coal plants planned out? And what are in use now?

When it’s comes to the environment, tell me what we need to do to stop China..the genocide, plague creating shithole it is[/quote]

Nuclear while very expensive would have been good IMO. With China I guess the good news is they reached peak coal a few years ago. They use a type of coal called sub bituminous which is very high sulfur. I would love for United States to put pressure on corporations to use more sustainable measures if they are manufacturing overseas. I have never understood why we aren’t more aggressive there. I thought trump tariffs were a good step but where he failed was to not take US ag subsidies away from soy and over to fruit and vegetables that would have increased food security here and off set export tariffs in play by China. I also wish we would take a hard stance on genocide. The recent shift in US military support in Guam including long range bombers is fine but I think we all know is a bluff.

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Adam Kinzinger 2024 :laughing2

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287078]Nuclear while very expensive would have been good IMO. With China I guess the good news is they reached peak coal a few years ago. They use a type of coal called sub bituminous which is very high sulfur. I would love for United States to put pressure on corporations to use more sustainable measures if they are manufacturing overseas. I have never understood why we aren’t more aggressive there. I thought trump tariffs were a good step but where he failed was to not take US ag subsidies away from soy and over to fruit and vegetables that would have increased food security here and off set export tariffs in play by China. I also wish we would take a hard stance on genocide. The recent shift in US military support in Guam including long range bombers is fine but I think we all know is a bluff.[/quote]

Nuclear stigma then was tough to overcome then. Hindsight, but it was forward thinking…maybe even progressive?

Energy policy is soooo critical IMO. We are so spoiled here but it’s critical to the nation as if affects so many parts of our life every single day. It’s key cost component in everything.

The green new deal stuff is completely insane and ridiculous to think we can simply lift and shift broad policies that affects so much in a short amount of time. Innovation isn’t stopping and green technology is a priority, but not the for reason everyone thinks.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1287066]Why is it always energy issues that republicans are so worried about? Clean fossil fuels? a bit oxymoronic but I would be in favor of natural gas production. Keystone is a joke, a grand total of a couple dozen long term jobs, no impact on our gas prices. Prior to my current job I worked on the EIS for some national and regional pipelines they are a racket that benefits the production companies and politicians only.

You find me a Republican (or a non progressive democrat for that matter) that will eliminate coal, create a more than fair economic package for the coal workers (not the corporations) for the impact to their current career, would be willing to move keystone off of native lands, internalize the health and environmental costs of petroleum and eliminate the 14% federally guaranteed profits that companies get just for building a pipeline through FERC and I would be more than interested at looking at where they stand on other issues.[/quote]

Our chances of ever agreeing with each other on energy is 0%. But if we were in charge, I bet we would get something done.

That being said - Free all the energyl! I want it all! Every form, maximize it. We're no where close to getting rid of oil or coal. All we are doing by pretending like we can is just giving more power to China and other competitors. Americans just aren't realistic about where everything comes from, imo.

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When did this Country stop being innovative and groundbreaking?

We gave the world the lightbulb, the internet, plastic, dental floss, landed on the moon.

But when it comes to energy its "naw were good with circa 1800 energy sources like fucking coal. Lets not try and come up with better cleaner energy sources."

I feel like this is part of Idiocracy where all the top scientist minds are busy increasing penis sizes and not solving the worlds real problems.

God forbid the US society tries to move on from the 1950s.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287099]When did this Country stop being innovative and groundbreaking?

We gave the world the lightbulb, the internet, plastic, dental floss, landed on the moon.

But when it comes to energy its "naw were good with circa 1800 energy sources like fucking coal. Lets not try and come up with better cleaner energy sources."

I feel like this is part of Idiocracy where all the top scientist minds are busy increasing penis sizes and not solving the worlds real problems.

God forbid the US society tries to move on from the 1950s.[/quote]

Ha..penis size, anti aging, hair loss, and diet pills. That’s where the money is.

Nationalize the energy sector and you would kill all innovation. Competition fosters it. Green technology is still a competitive, growing field and will only advance.

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[quote=SunnySide;1287099]When did this Country stop being innovative and groundbreaking?

We gave the world the lightbulb, the internet, plastic, dental floss, landed on the moon.

But when it comes to energy its "naw were good with circa 1800 energy sources like fucking coal. Lets not try and come up with better cleaner energy sources."

I feel like this is part of Idiocracy where all the top scientist minds are busy increasing penis sizes and not solving the worlds real problems.

God forbid the US society tries to move on from the 1950s.[/quote]

When nuclear was taken off the table, coal and oil dominance grew. The other types of clean energy have had plenty of subsidies and encouragement from government and public sector, but they simply don't have a solution to the complete demand. You don't and currently can't get the bang for your buck that you can for oil or coal solutions, even with the expense to make them cleaner.

There are solutions that involve nuclear power that could work, but the eco-green politicians would have no part of those.

The US still innovates, and cleaner technologies have made amazing progress for using less and less electricity. The issue is a physical matter of generating, storing and transporting energy to those devices and tech.

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[quote=mooby;1287056]ftfy[/quote]

[url]https://nypost.com/2021/08/10/rashida-tlaib-seen-dancing-at-wedding-without-mask-in-michigan/[/url]

Rashida Tlaib seen dancing at wedding without mask after slamming Rand Paul

[url]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-coronavirus-mask-capitol[/url]

AOC puts on mask for picture, removes it afterward, video shows
Ocasio-Cortez removed her mask shortly after the photo was taken

[url]https://www.newsweek.com/chicago-mayor-dismisses-spreader-concerns-lollapalooza-amid-cdc-guidance-delta-rise-1613988[/url]

Chicago Mayor Dismisses 'Spreader' Concerns on Lollapalooza Amid CDC Guidance, Delta Rise

You got Obama maskless in a tent dancing in an identified high transmission area

You agree these aren’t serious people and the mask talk is largely performative theatre?

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;1287103]When nuclear was taken off the table, coal and oil dominance grew. The other types of clean energy have had plenty of subsidies and encouragement from government and public sector, but they simply don't have a solution to the complete demand. You don't and currently can't get the bang for your buck that you can for oil or coal solutions, even with the expense to make them cleaner.

There are solutions that involve nuclear power that could work, but the eco-green politicians would have no part of those.

The US still innovates, and cleaner technologies have made amazing progress for using less and less electricity. The issue is a physical matter of generating, storing and transporting energy to those devices and tech.[/quote]

I hear ya Cred, I know nothing about energy -- clean energy, fossil energy -- but as a dummy looking from the outside in, I hope 50 years from now we still arent using coal and oil. Everything you said makes sense perfect and common sense.

But its not really us .. its fucking China and India etc needing to use clean renewable energy.

Whether or not I recycle this milk carton doesnt do anything when [B]China emits more emissions than all the developed countries combined. [/B]

[url]https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-57018837[/url]