Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=hail_2_da_skins;800853]Who can believe what Shannahan says? His word is untrustworthy. He has a plan at QB. Yeah, and I have a plan to win the lottery. [B]He had a plan at the draft and I think it backfired.[/B] I hope his plan includes trading Haynesworth for a starting quarterback. I think Vince Young, Kyle Orton and Carson Palmer are equals. Not for one minute did I believe John Beck is our starter. Just like I didn't believe the multiple excuses for benching McNabb. Shanny is shaky.[/quote]

And what plan was that?

We had Gabbert right there if we wanted him, or we could have reached for Ponder there, or traded up to try to get Locker.

The plan obviously didn't involve taking one of these guys.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=hail_2_da_skins;800853]Who can believe what Shannahan says? His word is untrustworthy. He has a plan at QB. Yeah, and I have a plan to win the lottery. He had a plan at the draft and I think it backfired. I hope his plan includes trading Haynesworth for a starting quarterback. I think Vince Young, Kyle Orton and Carson Palmer are equals. Not for one minute did I believe John Beck is our starter. Just like I didn't believe the multiple excuses for benching McNabb. Shanny is shaky.[/quote]

While I've not like some of Shannahan's decisions in the past, I wouldn't call him shaky. I'm glad to see a coach/FO that doesn't blindly take a QB just to take a QB. With the many needs this team has had (some created by the change of defense), I think the FO did a good job at using our picks efficiently. I do believe he should've done what he is doing this year last year (as in not trading for McNabb, find a cheap holdover QB), but I'm glad he is doing that this year.

Besides, free agency should put some QBs in the market (without having to give up picks).

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

There are two ways Beck can help the Skins:
1. He has his coming out party and we fawn over him as the next good(not great) Redskins QB and we remain competitive for a few years.
2. He is so horrible that we pick really high next year.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=Son Of Man;800834]I have to reluctantly agree. I am a huge Locker fan, but after he was taken at #8 we were SOL. IMO it would have been even worse if the FO then just took a QB (who they weren't sold on as potentially being "the guy") just to say we got one. If the guy you beleive in isn't there, then move on to other positions of need. I'm surprised by some of the criticism. [B]Like taking a 5th or 6th round QB was going to make us a better football team?[/B][/quote]


May I point out that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick?

May I point out that Matt Cassel was a 7th round pick?

May I point out that Ryan Fitzpatrick was a 7th round pick?

May I point out that Bruce Gradkowski was a 6th round pick?


There are plenty of starts among that group and more than a couple of wins too. The trick in later rounds is to find the hidden gem. To show what I mean by that statement:

May I point out that Colt Brennan was a 6th round pick?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

David Garrard?

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Garrard was an "early round pick". He went in the 4th round in 02...


BTW, Marc Bulger also was a 6th round pick...

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

For how the everyfan clamors for his team to trade down every year, it must be noted that trade downs are only possible when you have something of value. And we picked up an extra second rounder in this draft because we had something of value fall to us at no. 10. We could have picked Gabbert there, and I think we would have gotten good value on that pick in doing so. Better than if we had picked Robert Quinn at that same spot (which, btw, we would have).

The other thing is that, I believe, the right to choose between Quinn and Kerrigan wasn't very valuable. It's clear that given their choice, the Redskins thought Quinn was a better fit. I had him ranked above Kerrigan, but barely. And I don't have a great feel for who will be a better pro. But I have heard from people I trust that Kerrigan will actually pick up the nuances of being a 3-4 pass rushing LB faster/better than Quinn would have.

I think the right to choose was a lot more important for St. Louis, in the Steve Spagnuolo 40 front. They'll be happy with Quinn, I think.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[url=http://www.thephinsider.com/2007/5/2/0358/03650]John Beck: Our Franchise QB - The Phinsider[/url]

unsure if this has been posted but it's a little about Beck's capabilities, includes a "07 scouting report...hopefully he's gotten better and he knows the playbook and the system by now. which is obviously huge because of the lockout.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=sportscurmudgeon;800865]May I point out that Tom Brady was a 6th round pick?

May I point out that Matt Cassel was a 7th round pick?

May I point out that Ryan Fitzpatrick was a 7th round pick?

May I point out that Bruce Gradkowski was a 6th round pick?


There are plenty of starts among that group and more than a couple of wins too. The trick in later rounds is to find the hidden gem. To show what I mean by that statement:

May I point out that Colt Brennan was a 6th round pick?[/quote]

More exceptions than rule here.

BTW- Only one of those guys is a winner.

Now, how many other QB's (since Brady was taken in 2000) in the mid - late rounds have been taken versus those who you are throwing up to prove your point? I have no interest in inveting the time to do the research but will take a flyer and say there is less than a 10% sucess rate.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Smart move with Beck in the fact that he was shielded to learn the offense last year. If his decision making is better we may have made the right move.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Who knows, maybe Beck is the answer at least in the short term. I don't think it would be that crazy of a thought. Cam Cameron drafted him, he seems to know a thing or two about QBs. I think Shanahan is honest in saying he had him graded high coming out of college, and obviously KS likes him too. And I've heard other analysts say good things about him and all he needs is a shot. We shall see.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

Worth a read

[url=http://blog.redskins.com/2011/05/03/looking-at-john-beck-as-a-qb-prospect/]Looking At John Beck As A QB Prospect[/url]

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

The problem I have with the Beck plan is not that I think it can't work...I actually think that as the organization begins to repair itself from years of mismanagement, Beck will have a better shot at offensive success than Campbell or McNabb ever had. I just think it's worth pointing out that Beck could throw 25 TDs and have a fringe pro bowl year in 2011, and he'd still be a bad candidate for an extension because he wouldn't have proved anything except that he too can have a career year.

So even if Beck "works" out great in the Shanahan system, you still don't really have a QB after the season. All you have bought is time...and the right to buy that time at an expensive price.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

[quote=GTripp0012;800883]The problem I have with the Beck plan is not that I think it can't work...I actually think that as the organization begins to repair itself from years of mismanagement, Beck will have a better shot at offensive success than Campbell or McNabb ever had. I just think it's worth pointing out that Beck could throw 25 TDs and have a fringe pro bowl year in 2011, and he'd still be a bad candidate for an extension because he wouldn't have proved anything except that he too can have a career year.

So even if Beck "works" out great in the Shanahan system, you still don't really have a QB after the season. All you have bought is time...and the right to buy that time at an expensive price.[/quote]

Even if he had a solid season you don't think he could be re-signed at a reasonable price? I don't see us breaking the bank on him, the only way he would have serious leverage is if he was league MVP and won the SB. Either way we're obviously getting ahead of ourselves here lol.

Re: Redskins 2011 Starting Quarterback: John Beck?
 

I have NO faith in Beck guys, He's 30 and has a very avg arm. Sorry but I'd honestly rather have VY or Orton, Young can make plays out of no where and atleast Orton has played very well the last 3 years