Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

I voted no simply because you can't rebuild a team within the time Shanhan has been here.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=Hog1;854750]If you want to be fair about it take a few minutes and review MS record. You will find....many Championship teams and 3 SB's as he served as HC and OC, position coach on some others.
Post Elway, he had I think one losing season and numerous post season appearances.
Additionally, how many SB's did Elway win prior to MS's arrival?
I would agree to some degree that as at this point we cannot be sure what MS we have. Perhaps he will eclipse all previous records before he is done...perhaps not.
AND that leads me to my last point.
Suggesting that the Shanahans should be in jeopardy possibly after this season is the same kind of knee jerk move we have relentlessly crucified Dan for lo' these many years[/quote]

Can't agree more with this

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

I believe in Mike..BUT not sure about kyle? ..Does anybody believe he would fire his son if needed?..it may come to that and it will be a problem.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=Hog1;854750]If you want to be fair about it take a few minutes and review MS record. You will find....many Championship teams and 3 SB's as he served as HC and OC, position coach on some others.
Post Elway, he had I think one losing season and numerous post season appearances.
Additionally, how many SB's did Elway win prior to MS's arrival?
I would agree to some degree that as at this point we cannot be sure what MS we have. Perhaps he will eclipse all previous records before he is done...perhaps not.
AND that leads me to my last point.
Suggesting that the Shanahans should be in jeopardy possibly after this season is the same kind of knee jerk move we have relentlessly crucified Dan for lo' these many years[/quote]


So just let it ride huh? Hmmmmmmmmm OK. When 2013 comes and goes and we still suck will he belong on the hot seat then? I don't think too many folks were expecting playoffs here, but at least some improvement over the previous year and over Zorn's tenure here. Shall we give them say what John Cook gave Norv? I can take losing, but it is the way we are losing and coming off as a team that bothers me. It seems to be unraveling, with the same ol post game interviews with more "we fought our guts out" type of stuff. I am not saying to fire the Shanny, but damn give him some heat for this stuff.

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[quote=sportscurmudgeon;854633]
Oh and since Clinton Portis and Danny Boy are not in the same family, their relationship cannot be called nepotism. Because Mike and Kyle Shanahan are father and son, nepotism is clearly a concept that is open for discussion.[/quote]

The ultimate effect is similar to nepotism, i.e lack of accountability, excessive power, etc.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;854766]So just let it ride huh? Hmmmmmmmmm OK. [B]When 2013 comes and goes and we still suck will he belong on the hot seat then? [/B]I don't think too many folks were expecting playoffs here, but at least some improvement over the previous year and over Zorn's tenure here. Shall we give them say what John Cook gave Norv? I can take losing, but it is the way we are losing and coming off as a team that bothers me. It seems to be unraveling, with the same ol post game interviews with more "we fought our guts out" type of stuff. I am not saying to fire the Shanny, but damn give him some heat for this stuff.[/quote]

IMO Make it 2012, not now or the 2013 date you mention. It is fair to give Shanny three years to fix the mess and produce a competitive team.

In the name of continuity I am willing to be patient right now. If we don't look better 12 months from now, though, then I may start calling for heads to roll.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=GusFrerotte;854766]So just let it ride huh? Hmmmmmmmmm OK. When 2013 comes and goes and we still suck will he belong on the hot seat then? I don't think too many folks were expecting playoffs here, but at least some improvement over the previous year and over Zorn's tenure here. Shall we give them say what John Cook gave Norv? I can take losing, but it is the way we are losing and coming off as a team that bothers me. It seems to be unraveling, with the same ol post game interviews with more "we fought our guts out" type of stuff. I am not saying to fire the Shanny, but damn give him some heat for this stuff.[/quote]

Also, we are in [I]year 1[/I] in an attempt at a rebuild. Other teams struggled similarly in [B]year 1[/B]. It is not until year 3 or later the talent accumulated starts to fully bear fruit in wins.

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;854771]Also, we are in [I]year 1[/I] in an attempt at a rebuild. Other teams struggled similarly in [B]year 1[/B]. It is not until year 3 or later the talent accumulated starts to fully bear fruit in wins.[/quote]

I'm pretty sure we are in year two: Shanny has had two offseasons, including two drafts, and 23 games.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=Lotus;854772]I'm pretty sure we are in year two: Shanny has had two offseasons, including two drafts, and 23 games.[/quote]It's what you [I]do[/I] in an offseason that determines if you're trying to rebuild or not.

I'm trying to judge [I]intent[/I] from Shanahan's [I]actions[/I], not his tenure. Last year, he did [I]not[/I] make moves that were committed to any sort of rebuild whatsoever. He kept Al when he supposedly could have dumped him for a third. He traded picks for McNabb and Brown, two short term solutions. He dragged in Galloway, Kemo, LJ, and Fast Willie to see if any could stick. He did all of those things than scour the league for potential prospects and the like.

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The fact that Mike Shanahan is 9-14 after 23 games is discouraging to say the least. Gibbs 2.0, Jim Zorn, and Steve Spurrier all had at least 10 wins by their first 23 games. I know its just one more game, but Mike Shanahan was hired as head coach to build this Redskins team.

So far, he's had two drafts. I think regardless of how the Redskins finish in 2011, Mike Shanahan will have a great Redskin team on the field by the start of 2012. While he's made mistakes, he's also gotten some things right. It's takes a while to build a winner and even longer to build a champion.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

Should MS be fired or considered to be fired. NO!
Should he be getting some heat? Yes.
Have Haslett and KS been under achieving? Yes.
Haslett is not the most creative coach in the world. Very slow to make adjustments during the game. Not a great innovator (X's and O's). With all the talent we have on defense this defense should be better. I think we can do better than Haslett.
He has handled the secondary very poorly.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

Clearly Beck holding onto the ball too long is not coaching, Beck fumbling the ball is not coaching, Beck not making the right read or going through his progressions fast enough has nothing to do with coaching.

Re: What's your take on our coaching?
 

[quote=SBXVII;854873]Clearly Beck holding onto the ball too long is not coaching, Beck fumbling the ball is not coaching, Beck not making the right read or going through his progressions fast enough has nothing to do with coaching.[/quote]

Having gone through three Qb's that were hand picked by this staff and none of them do well......might have something to do with this staff.?.?

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[quote=Defensewins;854881]Having gone through three Qb's that were hand picked by this staff and none of them do well......might have something to do with this staff.?.?[/quote]

MS pretty much staked his reputation on all of these guys, and it has blown up in his face so far. Granted that there is still a lot of football left, so hopefully whatever good he saw in Beck would come out in a consistent basis.

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I know our attention is on the QB situation & MS has a lot at stake there. He needs a draft to ultimately fix that & I think most of us feel that's reasonable.

More immediate, I think this defense could cause more of a problem for him. After a great start they're not looking nearly as good. In the past he has had issues w/that side of the ball that led him to make changes. His comments about the D after the Carolina game were kinda insinuating that he's not happy w/Haslett. Will he make a change there this year or in the offseason?