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Penned directly by Florio for no other reason to just pile on the Skins.

If Florio passes tomorrow i wouldnt shed a tear, might even crack a smile

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So now Gruden is basically told to apologize and point out that he was a bad little boy for blaming one guy. Fuck that Griff deserves to be called out. Neither Jerry Jones nor Danny Boy are qualified to make football decisions, but at least Jerry is not hiding behind closed doors doing it. This is sickening. Just sickening.

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[quote=punch it in;1095016]So now Gruden is basically told to apologize and point out that he was a bad little boy for blaming one guy. Fuck that Griff deserves to be called out. Neither Jerry Jones nor Danny Boy are qualified to make football decisions, but at least Jerry is not hiding behind closed doors doing it. This is sickening. Just sickening.[/quote]

He shouldn't of called RG3 out. Yet, I didn't have a problem with it. He should stick to speaking as a whole rather calling someone out.

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[QUOTE=Skinzman;1094973]Here is part of the problem. We scored 26 against Minny, including an 80 yard 4th quarter drive when Minny had driven for a TD themselves. Only to let Minny do a second length of the field drive in the 4th quarter to beat us. The defense gave up 15 in the 4th quarter, they straight up crapped the bed as bad as RG3 did against Tampa Bay.



We win that game pretty easily if a crappy offense led by a rookie QB missing their best player doesnt score 15 points in the 4th quarter with not 1, but 2 70+ yard 4th quarter drives.



For as much as people keep referencing what Cooley said about RG3 this week. In that same article Cooley says he thinks RG3 played pretty well against Minny. He certainly wasnt the reason we lost.[/QUOTE]


You are forgetting that if our offense is clicking it keeps our terrible defense off the field. We won three games this year - all were without Griff. You play the guy who gives u the best chance to win. Not the guy who the owner has a man crush on!

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1095017]He shouldn't of called RG3 out. Yet, I didn't have a problem with it. He should stick to speaking as a whole rather calling someone out.[/QUOTE]


Maybe so but to be made to go back and apologize with ur tail between your legs just makes our coach look like a puppet and our qb look like a spoiled kid who got upset and had DADDY Snyder make things rite. That is the public perception of how this all went down now even if Griff had nothing to do with it. We just keep digging the hole deeper. No effin free agent or coach is going to want anything to do with this shit show of an organization.

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[quote=punch it in;1095020]Maybe so but to be made to go back and apologize with ur tail between your legs just makes our coach look like a puppet and our qb look like a spoiled kid who got upset and had DADDY Snyder make things rite. That is the public perception of how this all went down now even if Griff had nothing to do with it. We just keep digging the hole deeper. No effin free agent or coach is going to want anything to do with this shit show of an organization.[/quote]

Because you are making the Franchise QB value go down by saying things like that. The NFL is a business first, and when you under value a player who has marketing worth. It'll be a bad thing. I'm sure that is what Snyder said to Jay.

I don't think he "spanked" him at all

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1095012]What you describe is not dysfunctional. It is standard management practice in countless businesses. Gruden has bosses and he is obligated implement the instructions of those bosses.

What we have here is Round 105 of discussing what we think the management structure of the Redskins ought to be. If we have a HC who has complete authority (Shanahan) then we argue that there ought to be a GM over him. If we have a HC reporting to a GM (Gruden) then we argue that the GM shouldn't tell the HC what to do.[/quote]

I think it is more a question of why we see repeated poor decisions being made and the accountability of those decisions. Whether the management practice is sound means nothing if the decisions from those practices are ineffective.

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[quote=Bucket;1095017]He shouldn't of called RG3 out. Yet, I didn't have a problem with it. He should stick to speaking as a whole rather calling someone out.[/quote]

While I agree behind closed doors is always the way to go, I thought in a way it was kind of refreshing to hear it from our HC to this DC media. Because it basically trumped a their narrative.

Also, Gruden doing that was much more acceptable than RG3 deflecting blame. In the lockerroom, Gruden scored a ton of points.

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[QUOTE=Bucket;1095021]Because you are making the Franchise QB value go down by saying things like that. The NFL is a business first, and when you under value a player who has marketing worth. It'll be a bad thing. I'm sure that is what Snyder said to Jay.



I don't think he "spanked" him at all[/QUOTE]


Griff is doing a good enough job making his value go down. I think it is safe to say 10 jerseys arent flying off the rack like they used to. As far as his value to other teams...well other gm's are quite capable of seeing what he is worth on their own. You may not think he got spanked but that is the public perception and on nfl sirius radio that was what I heard the entire way to work this morning. Me and a million other people. Cant make this shit up. You really cant.

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[quote=punch it in;1095020]Maybe so but to be made to go back and apologize with ur tail between your legs just makes our coach look like a puppet and our qb look like a spoiled kid who got upset and had DADDY Snyder make things rite. That is the public perception of how this all went down now even if Griff had nothing to do with it. We just keep digging the hole deeper. No effin free agent or coach is going to want anything to do with this shit show of an organization.[/quote]

The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.

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[quote=punch it in;1095016]So now Gruden is basically told to apologize and point out that he was a bad little boy for blaming one guy. [/quote]

Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.

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[QUOTE=BaltimoreSkins;1095026]The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits lately. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.[/QUOTE]


You are correct. Our problem at this point is that everybody knows/thinks that DS has completely entrenched himself inside the cookie jar. I really was under the impression that he was standing back the last few years. Now I do not believe that. BA should still probably be the mouthpiece. At least it would appear that there is a chain of command in place and that our players and coaches are only worried about winning football games.

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[quote=punch it in;1095019]You are forgetting that if our offense is clicking it keeps our terrible defense off the field. We won three games this year - all were without Griff. You play the guy who gives u the best chance to win. Not the guy who the owner has a man crush on![/quote]

The game against Dallas was the one time our defense stepped up. The other wins were against Tenn and Jax. Even so, Colt got us 20 against the cowboys. Its not like he was tearing it up. We got 28 the next week out of RG3 against a better defense, yet he is being blamed for the loss while people are comparing Colt to Joe Montana for getting 20. KC proved if he gets hit, he goes to a three step drop and throw regardless of what team he is throwing it to. And you even admit that our defense is massively flawed. This is a team game first and foremost.

Do I believe that Colt will lead us to the playoffs? No. If its not RG3, then fine, but outside of one of the elite QB's who is going to have a lot of success on this team. There are a crap ton of problems on this team and it annoys the hell out of me to hear people claim that if we just resign Rex Grossman, we would be in the SB this year because our team is so great except the QB position, which is holding us back and turning what should be a 14-2 into a 3-13 team.

[B]Move on from RG3, Im ok with that[/B]. What I have been saying the whole time, Which you and SS among others have refused to listen to, is that we arent winning with the shit show we have as a team unless we somehow get Aaron Rodgers, which isnt happening any time soon. Colt isnt leading us anywhere. KC isnt leading us anywhere. Very few QB's are leading this crap anywhere.

So it still brings us to the fact that we will never develop a young QB with this crap team. And we arent getting one of the elites. So lets do things that make developing a QB happen instead of blaming one guy. So no, I will not blame one guy every time the OL fails. I will not blame one guy every time the defense shits the bed. The fact that you think we are a Rex Grossman signing away from a SB victory is disturbing to me.

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[quote=BaltimoreSkins;1095026]The perception of this franchise to the fans and media has taken serious hits [B]lately[/B]. Personally I would like the media to ask more challenging questions to BA. The players and the coaches are always on the hot seat time to put the FO on it.[/quote]

Lately? Did you say [U]lately[/U]? This franchise has been rightly perceived as one huge cluster **** ever since Dan Snyder took over the reins.

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[QUOTE=KI Skins Fan;1095027]Was Gruden in fact ordered to apologize or was that assumed by either Florio or yourself? This is a straight question and not a criticism.[/QUOTE]


Well what do you think? Do you think that Gruden went home and said to himself, "that wasnt very nice to say I better make this rite". I mean the two pressers were absolutely night and day. If there is one thing I believe Jay to be it is a strait shooter who is uber honest when he addresses the media. He doesnt seem indecisive in the slightest.
I completely believe he was told to make things right. Imo it made them more effed up.