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[quote=Lotus;548547]Peppers, besides being too expensive for our cap, really wants to play in a 3-4, not our 4-3. My guess is that he would be unmotivated with us and would not be the Peppers that we'd hoped for.[/quote]Yep, my fear exactly.. The defensive lines penetration would be huge, ala John Holmes style!(IN Theory) But, in Redskins nation,(reality) it would probably end up being the equivalent of being rolled by a hooker for a multi-million dollar contract.(Deion Sanders)

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548539]Looks like JC has some trade value after all.

[url=http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2009/04/rumor_new_york_jets_will_try_t.html]Rumor: New York Jets will try to acquire Redskins QB Jason Campbell if Washington lands USC QB Mark Sanchez - NJ.com[/url][/quote]

The title doesn't jibe with the body of the article. The title makes it sound like the Jets are going to try to acquire him from the Skins. But the actual article says the Redskins would try to trade him to the Jets. Not the same thing necessarily

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Zorn tells it like it is

[url=http://www.kansascity.com/491/story/1156930.html]Sanchez would carry huge price tag for Redskins - Kansas City Star[/url]

[QUOTE]"With Jason, we are going full speed," coach Jim Zorn said. "He is every bit being handled as though he's our starting quarterback, both through word and deed. With the draft, part of knowing who's out there and what's available, we've got to get to know these players a little bit. And if there's any opportunities to better our football team, we want to talk to those guys, too. Nothing is etched in stone."[/QUOTE]

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[quote=celts32;548405]Dinner is a very big deal to me...it's my favorite meal of the day![/quote]


Yep right between lunch and breakfast

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548361]Apparently Stafford is Jay Cutler Jr.

[URL="http://drunkathlete.com/2009/04/18/matthew-stafford-drunk-at-talladega/"]Matthew Stafford Drunk At Talladega | Drunk Athlete[/URL][/quote]

Those pics are pretty old I believe. They've been posted here before. College kid drinks, big surprise.

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[quote=SmootSmack;548564]The title doesn't jibe with the body of the article. The title makes it sound like the Jets are going to try to acquire him from the Skins. But the actual article says the Redskins would try to trade him to the Jets. Not the same thing necessarily[/quote]

I think that the article was just written poorly. The addition of a third team is a bit of a stretch to say what the Redskins would be doing.

But really it's just one guy saying it might happen, so who knows, could've been his own little concoction in his mind.

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"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."[quote=SmootSmack;548567]Zorn tells it like it is

[URL="http://www.kansascity.com/491/story/1156930.html"]Sanchez would carry huge price tag for Redskins - Kansas City Star[/URL][/quote]

"I think anything is possible," executive vice president for football operations Vinny Cerrato said Wednesday. "It's just what you're willing to give up."

Vinny also tells it like it is, unfortunately :(

Snyder too:

"We're doing what we can to win," the owner said. "I'm always going to be aggressive to try to win. I didn't buy the team for investment. I bought the team to try to win the Super Bowl, and that's what I'm trying to do."

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Well our immediate needs are O-line and we should not be trading for Sanchez this year. BUT if we do, as long as we could jettison JC in the process, I wouldnt be overly upset.

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so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?

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[quote=redskins1974;548575]so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?[/quote]


It better be Sanchez or the whols situation doesnt make any sense.

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Anyways, here's my stance.

I wouldn't mind if we took Sanchez as long as we don't sell the farm to get him. Yes, we do have needs otherwise perhaps more important this year (don't beat me up over perhaps haha) but you can't underrate a great QB; great QB's can make things happen on their own. Campbell needs a great crew around him at this point in his career, but he's shown flashes that he can make things happen, more so in the scramble game and less in the Brady or Warner slings it to the end zone (though in Campbell's defense he doesn't have a Moss or Fitzgerald at the moment, though short lil Moss does have a good jump/grab game).

My biggest issue with taking Sanchez would be how long are we going to let him develop? I mean what do we really even know about the kid, not a lot, though he has a lot of upside. If we got him this year and he busts, do we take a QB next year, let Colt try, sign a vet? If he's not great after 2 years what do we do?

I'd trust the signing of Sanchez a lot more if I knew we'd give him a fair shot. And if the QB class is deeper next year, we'll likely have to move up again unless it's just THAT deep. There are plenty of teams this year without a very solid QB but have so far focused on other positions, they're going to be looking hard at the kids coming out next year as well. So unless we bomb this year, we're likely going to have to move our pick either way, so that doesn't bother me a lot. Final say is that though Campbell hasn't exactly shown flashes of "greatness" he's still relatively young to his position and system (which I'm not sure he's the right fit for, much like Saunders system) and we should hold off on picking up somebody new for now, but I'm not going to pitch a fit if we don't. I can't see Campbell having the breakout year that solidifies him as our franchise QB though I'm welcome to him doing so.

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[quote=tryfuhl;548578]Anyways, here's my stance.

I wouldn't mind if we took Sanchez as long as we don't sell the farm to get him. Yes, we do have needs otherwise perhaps more important this year (don't beat me up over perhaps haha) but you can't underrate a great QB; great QB's can make things happen on their own. Campbell needs a great crew around him at this point in his career, but he's shown flashes that he can make things happen, more so in the scramble game and less in the Brady or Warner slings it to the end zone (though in Campbell's defense he doesn't have a Moss or Fitzgerald at the moment, though short lil Moss does have a good jump/grab game).

My biggest issue with taking Sanchez would be how long are we going to let him develop? I mean what do we really even know about the kid, not a lot, though he has a lot of upside. If we got him this year and he busts, do we take a QB next year, let Colt try, sign a vet? If he's not great after 2 years what do we do?

I'd trust the signing of Sanchez a lot more if I knew we'd give him a fair shot. And if the QB class is deeper next year, we'll likely have to move up again unless it's just THAT deep. There are plenty of teams this year without a very solid QB but have so far focused on other positions, they're going to be looking hard at the kids coming out next year as well. So unless we bomb this year, we're likely going to have to move our pick either way, so that doesn't bother me a lot. Final say is that though Campbell hasn't exactly shown flashes of "greatness" he's still relatively young to his position and system (which I'm not sure he's the right fit for, much like Saunders system) and we should hold off on picking up somebody new for now, but I'm not going to pitch a fit if we don't. I can't see Campbell having the breakout year that solidifies him as our franchise QB though I'm welcome to him doing so.[/quote]

I've been staunch in my defense of giving Campbell another season as QB in Zorn's system to become the franchise QB for us that I believe he can be. At this point though, I've reached the same point of inevitable acceptance that I felt about the Cutler deal when it seemed like it was going to happen. Getting pissed at the FO for ignoring other positional needs for a position they feel like they have to upgrade is a waste of my time. While I can't say I'm looking forward for another rookie QB, if it's Sanchez then I'll be behind him.

This would represent a 'Snyder pick' so I think he's going to get a whole lot more leeway than anyone else that's been drafted in his tenure. Ramsey was a Spurrier pick, Campbell was a Gibbs pick, Sanchez is clearly all Snyder. If he falls to #8, I think we offer our #1 this year and #2 & #4 next year to move up. We won't put our #3 (I don't believe) or our #1 next year in a trade to go up 5 spots. If he turns out to be the QB that most believe he will become then the price would be worth it, long term.

I think the locker room chemistry thing is overblown a little bit, but I do wonder how someone like Devin Thomas, who has said numerous times this offseason about how much he's tried to get closer to JC to grow their 'bond' will be affected. Best case, in a couple of years we've got a dynamic young talent base on offense of Sanchez, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley and Davis.

Last word on Colt, if this isn't a CLEAR indication that he is viewed as nothing but a career backup then nothing is. Let it go guys, let it go.

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Yeah, IMO drafting him and then letting him ride the pine is stupid. We need someone who can play now. If we draft Dirty Sanchez, and don't start him, then JC will constantly looking over his shoulder. I still think this is all a smoke screen and I think we'll trade back to the 20s and pick up a 2nd or another 3rd rounder.

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[quote=Paintrain;548600]I've been staunch in my defense of giving Campbell another season as QB in Zorn's system to become the franchise QB for us that I believe he can be. At this point though, I've reached the same point of inevitable acceptance that I felt about the Cutler deal when it seemed like it was going to happen. Getting pissed at the FO for ignoring other positional needs for a position they feel like they have to upgrade is a waste of my time. While I can't say I'm looking forward for another rookie QB, if it's Sanchez then I'll be behind him.

This would represent a 'Snyder pick' so I think he's going to get a whole lot more leeway than anyone else that's been drafted in his tenure. Ramsey was a Spurrier pick, Campbell was a Gibbs pick, Sanchez is clearly all Snyder. If he falls to #8, I think we offer our #1 this year and #2 & #4 next year to move up. We won't put our #3 (I don't believe) or our #1 next year in a trade to go up 5 spots. If he turns out to be the QB that most believe he will become then the price would be worth it, long term.

I think the locker room chemistry thing is overblown a little bit, but I do wonder how someone like Devin Thomas, who has said numerous times this offseason about how much he's tried to get closer to JC to grow their 'bond' will be affected. Best case, in a couple of years we've got a dynamic young talent base on offense of Sanchez, Thomas, Kelly, Cooley and Davis.

Last word on Colt, if this isn't a CLEAR indication that he is viewed as nothing but a career backup then nothing is. Let it go guys, let it go.[/quote]

Agreed, but I don't know much this is clearly all Snyder. I think Zorn has some significant interest in this as well. I think he likes Campbell and thinks he can develop him into a strong starting QB, but I also think part of that is his ego speaking. I think given the choice, he's like most coaches, who like to bring in their own guys (instead of someone else's "retread") and developing them. Also, I think Zorn was more amenable to the idea of developing Campbell when he was supposed to be the OC/QB coach. I think as head coach, his mentality is more "it's my team, give me my guy."

Imagine if we had been able to get the guy Snyder really wanted...David Carr

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[quote=SmootSmack;548603]Agreed, but I don't know much this is clearly all Snyder. I think Zorn has some significant interest in this as well. I think he likes Campbell and thinks he can develop him into a strong starting QB, but I also think part of that is his ego speaking. I think given the choice, he's like most coaches, who like to bring in their own guys (instead of someone else's "retread") and developing them. Also, I think Zorn was more amenable to the idea of developing Campbell when he was supposed to be the OC/QB coach. I think as head coach, his mentality is more "it's my team, give me my guy."

Imagine if we had been able to get the guy Snyder really wanted...David Carr[/quote]

Maybe instead of all Snyder I should have said 'Snyder driven'. I think that if left completely to Zorn, he'd be fine with giving Campbell another year in his system to grow and learn. One word of caution to fans though, if we draft Sanchez and start him immediately (which is the only way this makes sense) then if you thought Campbell was a 'game manager' wait until you see what Sanchez is going to do as a rookie. No WAY Zorn is going to entrust him with much of the offense.

I think we can all agree though, that a Sanchez draft secures Zorn's position as HC for at least another 2 years, if not more. You don't draft a QB then fire the coach the next year.

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[quote=Paintrain;548617]Maybe instead of all Snyder I should have said 'Snyder driven'. I think that if left completely to Zorn, he'd be fine with giving Campbell another year in his system to grow and learn. One word of caution to fans though, if we draft Sanchez and start him immediately (which is the only way this makes sense) then if you thought Campbell was a 'game manager' wait until you see what Sanchez is going to do as a rookie. No WAY Zorn is going to entrust him with much of the offense.

I think we can all agree though, that a Sanchez draft secures Zorn's position as HC for at least another 2 years, if not more. You don't draft a QB then fire the coach the next year.[/quote]

So if the Redskins are 4-12 with Sanchez you don't think Snyder would fire Zorn and try and hire Shanahan or Holmgren? I think Zorn needs a winning record next year to survive no matter who is at QB.

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[quote=celts32;548619]So if the Redskins are 4-12 with Sanchez you don't think Snyder would fire Zorn and try and hire Shanahan or Holmgren? I think Zorn needs a winning record next year to survive no matter who is at QB.[/quote]

I'd be very surprised if, even with a 4-12 record, Zorn gets fired with a rookie QB.

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We are not drafting Mark Sanchez, how much longer can this damn thread go on? Oh wait, only 2 more days

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[quote=redskins1974;548575]so who would start if we got rid of JC? Sanchez / Collins / Brennan?[/quote]

That's one reason why I think the rumor is false. I don't see Zorn willing to go through the season with one of those guys under center.

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I will be burning my Redskins shirt on Draft Day if we trade up for Sanchez.

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[quote=Angry;548627]We are not drafting Mark Sanchez, how much longer can this damn thread go on? Oh wait, only 2 more days[/quote]

The article in todays Wash Post sure makes it sound like the Skins will do what they need to do to get him. DS is in love with this kid. I can see the Skins giving up their next 3 or 4 years first round picks in an attempt to get Sanchez.

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According to Collin....Sal Paolantonio reporting they will trade up and trade JC to try and recover picks. Also the FO does not want to pay JC Francise money to keep him.
Sat will tell........

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[quote=irish;548635]The article in todays Wash Post sure makes it sound like the Skins will do what they need to do to get him. DS is in love with this kid. I can see the Skins giving up their next 3 or 4 years first round picks in an attempt to get Sanchez.[/quote]

3 or 4 first rounders? You're kidding right?

The price to move up likely would be the #13 this year, this year's 3rd rounder, and a first rounder next year.

I can't see the price to move up being 4 firsts, that's a little ridiculous.

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[quote=Angry;548627]We are not drafting Mark Sanchez, how much longer can this damn thread go on? Oh wait, only 2 more days[/quote]

Until it's replaced by the Mark Sanchez is a Redskin thread.

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[quote=Dirtbag359;548641]Until it's replaced by the Mark Sanchez is a Redskin thread.[/quote]

That's as likely as the "Angry is a Raven's Fan Now" thread.

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In some ways this year reminds me of the 2002 draft. There was a clear No. 1 QB (David Carr) and the next guy (Joey Harrington) shot up the boards a bit during the "Draft Season" (i.e. - Feb-April) that Danny was, by all accounts, in love with. DS tried to trade up to get Harrington, but wasn't able to because he wouldn't pay the price to move up to no. 3. Instead, he traded down from 18 twice (to 21 and then 32) picking up a couple of third rounders and still getting a QB he liked- Patrick Ramsey.

I liken Sanchez to Harrington - they both seem to became media darlings during the drive to the draft.

BTW - The players picked as a result of the trades: Ramsey, Rashad Bauman, Ladell Betts and Greg Scott.

The two players picked in the first round in the slots we traded out of: T.J. Duckett (18) and Daniel Graham (21). Also, the player picked 31st? Our new linebacker, Robert Thomas.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;548654]
[B]I liken Sanchez to Harrington - they both seem to became media darlings during the drive to the draft. [/B]

[/quote]

I've seen people make this argument and to be honest I don't buy it. Yes there are a lot of similarities but theres also a lot of differences. For starters Sanchez didn't play in the QB friendly Tedford system that Harrington was in. Sanchez instead played in a pro style system.

On top of that Carson Palmer and Matt Cassel have proven that USC knows what they're doing when it comes to coaching up QB's. Matt Leinart on the other hand would be the Cardinals starting QB if he got his head on straight. Fortunately Sanchez doesn't have the party bug, at least not as bad as Leinart does.

"Sanchez has had no off-the-field issues since (sexual assault case where charges were dropped). He is a hard worker with excellent football character. He takes his responsibility as a role model very seriously and anyone who interviews him will find him to be one of the most impressive individuals in the 2009 draft class."

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[quote=Mattyk72;548639]3 or 4 first rounders? You're kidding right?

The price to move up likely would be the #13 this year, this year's 3rd rounder, and a first rounder next year.

I can't see the price to move up being 4 firsts, that's a little ridiculous.[/quote]

I might have exaggerated a bit but I could see DS going that far if he really wanted to. I think your terms are more realistic but the words out now that DS is in love with Sanchez and I can see teams milking DS for all he's worth. Time will tell if DS & Co. can control themselves.

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Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?

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[quote=SmootSmack;548664]Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?[/quote]

Sanchez. Easily. Quicker release, better mobility, better accuracy, and most importantly his confidence is still in tact.

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Sanchez has seen more of an NFL quality offense in his few games starting at USC, than Quinn has in Cleveland.

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[quote=irish;548662]I might have exaggerated a bit but I could see DS going that far if he really wanted to. I think your terms are more realistic but the words out now that DS is in love with Sanchez and I can see teams milking DS for all he's worth. Time will tell if DS & Co. can control themselves.[/quote]

I don't think even Snyder is that batshit crazy to give away 4 years of first rounders.

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even giving next year's first is way too much. And that' the only way it's going to happen. It's unrealistic to think we'd trade more than 2 1st rounders plus trash from this year. That's the twilight zone, and i would jump off the boat.

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Nope. The Sanchez talk is all a ruse. The good thing is that it had fooled many people, which was the goal of the talk all along.

Angry is correct. Sanchez is not really on the radar.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548671]I don't think even Snyder is that batshit crazy to give away 4 years of first rounders.[/quote]

Can you say that with certainty?

:D


Snyder has done a great job drafting actually. At least in the 1st-round.

2008 *traded down*
2007 LaRon Landry
2006 *traded pick*
2005 Jason Campbell (traded up for extra Round 1 pick)
2005 Carlos Rogers
2004 Sean Taylor
2003 *traded pick*
2002 Patrick Ramsey BUST
2001 Rod Gardner BUST
2000 Chris Samuels
2000 LaVar Arrington
1999 Champ Bailey *traded for Portis*

However,[B] the WORST Redskins' pick ever was Heath Shuler[/B] in 1994. Skins fans, myself included, thought this guy would be the greatest QB ever...he sucked horribly. Even worse than Patrick Ramsey. In 1995, we drafted Michael Westbrook, who was great for a year, then beat up Stephen Davis in practice and failed miserably after that. Desmond Howard in 1992 was a lot better AFTER he left Washington.

But, look at the last few drafts, very solid.

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[quote=Mattyk72;548671]I don't think even Snyder is that batshit crazy to give away 4 years of first rounders.[/quote]

That would be the worst case scenario and I doubt he'd do it but with DS IMO, anything is possible. I could easily see 2 - 1st rounders and 2 other rounds for a total of 4 picks.

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[quote=Lotus;548681]Nope. The Sanchez talk is all a ruse. The good thing is that it had fooled many people, which was the goal of the talk all along.

Angry is correct. Sanchez is not really on the radar.[/quote]

You have a lot of faith huh

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[quote=SmootSmack;548664]Putting aside what would have to be given up to get them, who would you guys think would be the better QB for us-Sanchez or Quinn?[/quote]Quinn. The floor on Quinn is about league average. The floor on Sanchez is doesn't belong in the NFL (although that's highly unlikely).

They both could be great, but again, I think Quinn is more likely to be great. Sanchez is a little bit more accurate than Quinn, but not nearly as good a decision maker, and their arms are comparable. Quinn's pocket presence is about two or three tiers above Sanchez, who really never even feels the rush.

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[quote=Buster;548683]Can you say that with certainty?

:D
[/quote]

Yes I can.

I'm not doubting the price will be steep to move up, but 4 first rounders is simply not going to happen.

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[url=http://usc.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/13/usc-football-a-reason-mark-sanchez-should-stay/8404/]USC football: A reason Mark Sanchez should stay - USC - OCRegister.com[/url]
I think Sanchez is doing a wonderful job of putting his Communications Major to good use.