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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603012]You compared him to Garrard and in the thread you posted you also compared him to Leftwich. All totally different QBs. Garrard when he became a starter was more of a running QB. Leftwich has two cement blocks for feet. Campbell is somewhere in between. But a better passer than both in this point in his career IMO. Garrard is a decent passer. But he was more of a running threat when he first started. JC can run. But rarely does.[/quote]

In the thread referenced I actually did not compare him to Leftwich. I was responding to a comment about Leftwich and said that he is someone else who actually had (to that point) put up good statistical numbers but was not a very good quarterback and lacked a refined sense of timing and anticipation. If you read what I actually wrote it is quite clear and does not differ in tone from your characterization above.

Also, I am not sure how you can characterize Garrard as a "runner" or say that his "running" makes a comparison between he and Campbell inaccurate. In 2008 Garrard had the most rushing yards he has ever had as a professional (322). Campbell had 258. Garrard scrambles around because he does not get a clear picture at the snap or play with great timing. That is exactly the same reason that Campbell was moving so much in the pocket yesterday.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603009]Anyone who has read my posts knows I've supported JC in a big way throughout last year and prior to the Lions game. However the mistakes he's made in the last two games have me very concerned. I've still got to look at the 4th quarter of the game....but so far it appears JC is either regressing, or after a couple of games of film teams have figured out how to mess up JC and he's struggling.

I don't see this as an OL issue, for the most part he has time. I'm not buying the "WRs completely suck" argument either. I do see some playcalling issues in the run game (been saying that for 4 weeks), and there also may be some playcalling issues in the pass-game this week (still looking at that, damn I wish I had a full field view).

IMO right now the best thing to do is nothing. We must find out if JC can improve and stabilize, or if he's not going to make it. If we come into the Bye week and JC is still having the same issues he's had over the last two weeks with no improvement, we need to make a decision based on our record. If we still have a realistic shot at the playoffs (5-2 or 4-3) then Collins should go in. If we're out of it (2-5 or 3-4) based on the remaining 9 games, which are no joke, then we need to take a look at Woodson and start planning for life after JC.[/quote]

I will be interested to read your analysis. "Regression" was also a term that came to my mind after watching the last two weeks.

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so we all agreee JC is an average to decent qb!!!

go skins!!

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[quote=CultBrennan59;602965]Sorry, I was a true fan up until we lost to the lonely 0-19 Detroit Lions, and we became the laughing stock of the NFL, Do you all watch any of the pregame shows? They all had awful things to say about us. Then we struggle to get a win against the 0-3 Bucs, and struggle to get a win against the now 0-4 Rams, lets see we got the 0-4 chiefs and 0-4 panthers? How we gonna do? Ever since we lost to the lions I said now with confidence "We are not going to make the Playoffs." Thats what I would consider a good season, is making the playoffs, and I don't see us making the playoffs. No way, If we lose to the lonely detroit lions, no way.[/quote]

Cult you sound very much like what we refer to as a fair weather fan. You're a fan as long as the sun's shinning, then when it rains you're nowhere to be found. But you know what?......For whatever reason there are a lot of FW fans just like yourself around. Hard to imagine you were ever a TRUE FAN.

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[quote=Ruhskins;603011]I think in a situation like this I wish [B]we had a project like Brennan waiting in the wings,[/B] throw him to the fire and see what he can do. I would hope that if Collins were to play, that our defense is performing better, and that our running game is up to speed.[/quote]We do, his name is Andre Woodson. Although his negatives seem real similar to JC's.

[URL="http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/andre'-woodson?id=334#player-profile-tab-set-1:player-profile-tab-analysis"]NFL Events: Combine Player Profiles - Andre' Woodson[/URL]

[quote]As I said, if Campbell has a terrible game from beginning to the end, then he should be benched. Right now, I just want Ws in the next two games, ideally, I want a good offensive showing throughout the game, not just in one half or quarter.[/quote]I'm with you, we need wins, but JC has to improve ASAP. Over the last couple of games he could've single-handedly accounted for 8 turnovers.

If JC is benched and we're still in the hunt for the playoffs, Collins should be able to do enough to give us a chance to win each week if the D is called like it was on Sunday.

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[quote=dgack;603018]The problem that I have with your analysis, SC, and I suspect many others are in the same boat here, is that you seem to think that Jason is an average or slightly above average QB, and that we merely need to 'address this in the offseason' as if this will resolve many of the team's issues.

And you're not the only one, plenty of people here are clamoring for Zorn and Campbell to be tossed overboard so we can begin our oh-so-beloved quest for the One True Player to deliver us from the arms of mediocrity. Oh, how we love the offseason courtships and dreams of free-spending our way to a championship.

Let me ask you this. Do you think Jason has "lost" the team? Don't you think every one of those guys is pulling for him and wants to see him succeed? After the way Snyder publicly humiliated the guy -- do you honestly think that it's going to be as simple as just replacing one cog in a machine with another, with no ramifications to the rest of the team? I sure don't. The quotes I read the clips I see of interviews tell me that these guys are behind Jason Campbell. All of them may not be with Zorn right now, but I don't see a lot of people preparing to throw JC under the bus. And they sure as hell aren't going to get excited about learning the quirks and habits and proficiencies and deficiencies of a new QB.

So ejecting Campbell and starting over WILL have consequences. We will regress. AGAIN. No new QB coming in here, short of an established veteran winner, is going to command the huddle and assert leadership over the team in their first season, either. You see Colt McCoy or Sam Bradford walking in here and saying "this is my team"? I don't think so.

No, I think what many of us are saying is that we should be capable of fielding a team that does not REQUIRE a quarterback to be a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning to compete at elite levels. Mark Rypien put up some good numbers for a few years, but was he an elite QB or a better-than-average QB who was a good fit in the system?

Kyle Orton is 4-0 this season. Is he elite? Or is he just being asked to be a competent QB most of the game and occasionally make some big plays?

Constantly chasing the holy grail QB is a waste of time. I don't have time to run the numbers, but I'm curious how often you really see a young highly touted QB prospect come in and turn around a team that is [B]mired in mediocrity[/B].

We need to fix a lot of other crap about this organization before we even think about looking for that miracle working QB.[/quote]

Good point. But I will add to it. Because i know some will ignore the 3 words I bolded.

They will say Flacco, Matt Ryan or even pull Sanchez out their ---.

With all of these QBs they have these two important things that are a rookie QBs dream. A good running game and also a very stout if not great defense.

-Ryan has Turner and alot of other skilled players.
-Flacco has 3 formidable RBs and a great defense
-Sanchez has a good defense that came from the bmore defense and two good RBs on who is a a Sproles type player who excels running and catching the ball.

We dont have that. Our defense is becoming better but is not on the level of bmore or the jets and our only running back threat is nicked up and our o-line is not playing very well. Espeically when it comes to the run game.

Flacco might turn out to be the best of three. On NFL Network they were actually comparing Ryan to Brady when they played the other game. I was like WTF?

I think Ryan will regress this year. We all saw what happened when Sanchez had to put a team on his back against the Saints.

So there is no holy grail like my man said above. So we need to just hope JC manages the game and dont expect him to become Joe Montana overnight.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603029]So there is no holy grail like my man said above. So we need to jsut [B]hope JC manages the game [/B]and dont expect him to become Joe Montana overnight.[/quote]Agreed there is no "holy grail" QB out there. However JC's play over the last two games (in snaps that the opposing D wasn't playing basically a prevent) isn't acceptable of a "game manager" or average QB. As I mentioned before he single-handedly could've been the cause of 8 turnovers in 2 games. As it is he caused 5.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603033]Agreed there is no "holy grail" QB out there. However JC's play over the last two games (in snaps that the opposing D wasn't playing basically a prevent) isn't acceptable of a "game manager" or average QB. As I mentioned before he single-handedly could've been the cause of 8 turnovers in 2 games. As it is he caused 5.[/quote]

I think the fumbles are totally unacceptable. But I have a question. I might have missed something. Were the Bucs playing prevent in the 3rd quarter?

The other games when they said he scored during garbage time this applies. But as far as the last game (Buc) this doesn't really apply.

Do you mean the games against the Rams and Lions?

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Jason, tough game yesterday, and I know you're not long for this town. But wherever you go, and however it ends up, be safe in this game. [B][I]I wish you nothing but the very best.[/I][/B]

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603039]I think the fumbles are totally unacceptable. But I have a question. I might have missed something. Were the Bucs playing prevent in the 3rd quarter?

The other games when they said he scored during garbage time this applies. But as far as the last game (Buc) this doesn't really apply.

Do you mean the games against the Rams and Lions?[/quote]I'm just speaking of the last two games. No Bucs prevent from that I saw. The late 4th qtr drive against the Lions (where JC improved his QB rating drastically for the game), they were in a soft Cover 4 the whole drive.

Outside of the two TD throws Sunday (which were very good and on consecutive plays), even on the TD drive JC didn't look good at all. On the two TD throws we don't know if it was a case of two great reads and plays by JC or if Zorn/Smith saw something in the D and dialed up great playcalls where JC just had to set and deliver, not read. A game manager or average QB cannot account for 3 TDs and 5 turnovers (again, lucky it wasn't 8) in two games.

EDIT: Also, I don't want anything I'm saying to be mistaken. I like JC, he's a quality young man and a good lead-by-example guy. I want him to be successful here, if he's not, based on what's likely available this off-season we're in trouble at the QB position.

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[quote=Ruhskins;602980]The Cowboys haven't lost to Detroit, why are you saying this? And I must say, [B]you do give up easily[/B].[/quote]

It was when we lost to, let me remind you again, the WINLESS Detroit Lions, that I said that we are not going anywhere this season. You really think that the light at the end of the tunnel will get brighter for us, when the second half of our season is going to be a lot tougher than the first half of our season. I want you, Ruhskins, to tell me how you think this team will finish this year. I say 7-9. Middle of the pack. You and a few other people on this thread think that we're going to the super bowl or something, like you think a miracle will happen. I hope that the skins prove me wrong and go to the playoffs, thats when I dont mind being proven wrong. But I know and I'm still gonna say, that we will not make the playoffs. So again Ruhskins and everyone else bashing me on this particular thread, to respond and tell me right now, how you think we the redskins will finish this year, whats going to be their final record.

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[quote=SC Skins Fan;603021]In the thread referenced I actually did not compare him to Leftwich. I was responding to a comment about Leftwich and said that he is someone else who actually had (to that point) put up good statistical numbers but was not a very good quarterback and lacked a refined sense of timing and anticipation. If you read what I actually wrote it is quite clear and does not differ in tone from your characterization above.

Also, I am not sure how you can characterize Garrard as a "runner" or say that his "running" makes a comparison between he and Campbell inaccurate. In 2008 Garrard had the most rushing yards he has ever had as a professional (322). Campbell had 258. Garrard scrambles around because he does not get a clear picture at the snap or play with great timing. That is exactly the same reason that Campbell was moving so much in the pocket yesterday.[/quote]Let me preface this by saying that I'm not the kind of guy who will change my opinion of a player in the middle of a season. I'll re-evaluate Campbell given his whole body of work at the end of the season, and if I am in agreement that he's hit a developmental wall thanks to maxing out the extent at which he can process information and speed up his reads, then he'll always just be mediocre. That will be obvious at the end of the year if it's true. You'll hear it here first.

Now, when you brought up a Garrard comparison in the other thread, that struck me as interesting. Because you alluded to the flaws that Jason shared with David Garrard. But you never really built the anti-Garrard case. What if a stats guy like me watches Garrard on Sunday against the Titans and says, "this is a well above average quarterback with mobility." And then your comparison kind of falls apart.

So while I'm kinda intrigued by your angle, I wish you would have built your case better so I have something to respond to/watch for.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;603079]It was when we lost to, let me remind you again, the WINLESS Detroit Lions, that I said that we are not going anywhere this season. You really think that the light at the end of the tunnel will get brighter for us, when the second half of our season is going to be a lot tougher than the first half of our season. I want you, Ruhskins, to tell me how you think this team will finish this year. I say 7-9. Middle of the pack. You and a few other people on this thread think that we're going to the super bowl or something, like you think a miracle will happen. I hope that the skins prove me wrong and go to the playoffs, thats when I dont mind being proven wrong. But I know and I'm still gonna say, that we will not make the playoffs. So again Ruhskins and everyone else bashing me on this particular thread, to respond and tell me right now, how you think we the redskins will finish this year, whats going to be their final record.[/quote]
Since I was among the first to call you out on your thin fandom, I'll answer. At the beginning of the year, I thought they were a 10 win team. At this point, I believe they are a 6 win team based on what I've seen. Now that being said, every Redskins game I am going to be parked in my seat rooting them to win each and every time they step onto the field. I will agonize their losses and celebrate their wins just like any other time. Regardless of my expectations, I would NEVER root against my teams and players in the hopes of a "better draft pick", especially this early.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;603079]It was when we lost to, let me remind you again, the WINLESS Detroit Lions, that I said that we are not going anywhere this season. You really think that the light at the end of the tunnel will get brighter for us, when the second half of our season is going to be a lot tougher than the first half of our season. I want you, Ruhskins, to tell me how you think this team will finish this year. I say 7-9. Middle of the pack. You and a few other people on this thread think that we're going to the super bowl or something, like you think a miracle will happen. I hope that the skins prove me wrong and go to the playoffs, thats when I dont mind being proven wrong. But I know and I'm still gonna say, that we will not make the playoffs. So again Ruhskins and everyone else bashing me on this particular thread, to respond and tell me right now, how you think we the redskins will finish this year, whats going to be their final record.[/quote]

I haven't been bashing you but I think you need to be straigtened out a little on your "thinking". How I or anyone else "thinks" we're going to finish has little to do with how we WILL finish. I think we've all been fooled before. I still think we could turn this thing around play our best ball when it counts the most. I would rather finish strong than start out strong (See last year). You NEVER pull against your team to win....certainly not this early.

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I respect those last two comments

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[quote=CultBrennan59;603079]It was when we lost to, let me remind you again, the WINLESS Detroit Lions, that I said that we are not going anywhere this season. You really think that the light at the end of the tunnel will get brighter for us, when the second half of our season is going to be a lot tougher than the first half of our season. I want you, Ruhskins, to tell me how you think this team will finish this year. I say 7-9. Middle of the pack. You and a few other people on this thread think that we're going to the super bowl or something, like you think a miracle will happen. I hope that the skins prove me wrong and go to the playoffs, thats when I dont mind being proven wrong. But I know and I'm still gonna say, that we will not make the playoffs. So again Ruhskins and everyone else bashing me on this particular thread, to respond and tell me right now, how you think we the redskins will finish this year, whats going to be their final record.[/quote]

Unlike you I don't say dumb things such as "I want my team to suck this year so we can draft a QB and replace the current QB who I hate so much, I am willing to root against my own team." And never have I said (seriously) that we are going to the superbowl or that some miracle will happen. Does the team have issues? Yes. Is it a stretch to say that we're going to the playoffs? Of course. But we've only gone a quarter of the season.

If we go run of the mill 7-9 or less, this team needs to be blown up and start from scratch. And not just with the QB, since in case you haven't notice, we have issues with the o-line as well, an aging RB, and some past questionable FO decisions. But, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. So far, we're 2-2 with a lot of football to play. Unlike you, I'm not giving up on the team.

If you continue to say that you'll root against your own team, well be prepared to be bashed by a lot of people here.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603009]Anyone who has read my posts knows I've supported JC in a big way throughout last year and prior to the Lions game. However the mistakes he's made in the last two games have me very concerned. I've still got to look at the 4th quarter of the game....but so far it appears JC is either regressing, or after a couple of games of film teams have figured out how to mess up JC and he's struggling.[/quote]

I'll be more concerned if the mistakes continue. Right now I'm just pleased to see that he's being trusted to go out and make mistakes. For too long it seems like he wasn't trusted to do anything.

[quote]I don't see this as an OL issue, for the most part he has time. I'm not buying the "WRs completely suck" argument either. I do see some playcalling issues in the run game (been saying that for 4 weeks), and there also may be some playcalling issues in the pass-game this week (still looking at that, damn I wish I had a full field view).[/quote]

I'm not sure he has quite enough time. But then again, if I recall correctly, Roethlisberger didn't have much time many times last year but still made things happen

[quote]IMO right now the best thing to do is nothing. We must find out if JC can improve and stabilize, or if he's not going to make it. If we come into the Bye week and JC is still having the same issues he's had over the last two weeks with no improvement, we need to make a decision based on our record. If we still have a realistic shot at the playoffs (5-2 or 4-3) then Collins should go in. If we're out of it (2-5 or 3-4) based on the remaining 9 games, which are no joke, then we need to take a look at Woodson and start planning for life after JC.[/quote]

Wow, could you imagine if Woodson is the answer? I lean toward Campbell not being here in 2010. In fact, I wouldn't be all that stunned if neither Campbell nor Rogers are here, which would make the 2005 draft pretty dreadful. Here comes the Shanahan-Leinart era, or the Cowher-Skelton era, or the Holmgren-Snead era, or the Gruden-Clausen/Robinson era...

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[quote=SmootSmack;603148]I'll be more concerned if the mistakes continue. Right now I'm just pleased to see that he's being trusted to go out and make mistakes. For too long it seems like he wasn't trusted to do anything. [/quote]I'm almost done with the review and it ain't pretty for JC. I'm also looking (as best I can without full field film, you're welcome at any point to step up and sneak some out for me LOL) at the routes that are being called, just to see if this is also a Zorn issue. At first look it appears this is mostly a JC issue.

P.S. Clausen needs to stay at ND for 2010 and get a BCS championship with a healthy M. Floyd it's possible.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603158]I'm almost done with the review and it ain't pretty for JC. I'm also looking (as best I can without full field film, you're welcome at any point to step up and sneak some out for me LOL) at the routes that are being called, just to see if this is also a Zorn issue. At first look it appears this is mostly a JC issue.

P.S. Clausen needs to stay at ND for 2010 and get a BCS championship with a healthy M. Floyd it's possible.[/quote]

We should have never cut Chase

Sneak out film for you? You must be crazy :)

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603158]I'm almost done with the review and it ain't pretty for JC. I'm also looking (as best I can without full field film, you're welcome at any point to step up and sneak some out for me LOL) at the routes that are being called, just to see if this is also a Zorn issue. At first look it appears this is mostly a JC issue.

P.S. Clausen needs to stay at ND for 2010 and get a BCS championship with a healthy M. Floyd it's possible.[/quote]

Guess on the strength of this review that we should start looking for another QB huh?

I think Bradford would have been the best bet before he got hurt. Clausen is good but I think he should stay another year. Woud like to see more big game action from him.

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[quote=dmvskinzfan08;603029]
-Flacco has 3 formidable RBs and a great defense

Flacco might turn out to be the best of three. On NFL Network they were actually comparing Ryan to Brady when they played the other game. I was like WTF?
[/quote]

Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;603158]I'm almost done with the review and it ain't pretty for JC. I'm also looking (as best I can without full field film, you're welcome at any point to step up and sneak some out for me LOL) at the routes that are being called, just to see if this is also a Zorn issue. At first look it appears this is mostly a JC issue.

P.S. Clausen needs to stay at ND for 2010 and get a BCS championship with a healthy M. Floyd it's possible.[/quote]

Watched again this morning, the line definitely gave him more time than I had originally given him credit for. Campbell's timing look off on his drops, I'll bet it comes out later that he's been playing with a more serious injury than anyone suspects.

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[quote=SmootSmack;603148]I'll be more concerned if the mistakes continue. Right now I'm just pleased to see that he's being trusted to go out and make mistakes. For too long it seems like he wasn't trusted to do anything. [/quote]

I agree. Maybe the pressure got to him or he's hurt worse than we're being told. Either way he kept fighting and pulled out a win. I was very happy to see he didn't quit.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;603175]Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.[/quote]

I agree 100%

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;603175]Flacco has ok WR's and 3 pretty good RB's and a rebuilt OL, which make him even more formidable. Actually the guy that should get the credit for his development is Cam Cameron. To me, I would love to see him be our coach someday.[/quote]

Cam Cameron, the same Cam that use to coach the Dolphins. The Cam that Dolphins fans booed for drafting Ted Ginn Jr. over Brady Quinn. Well he did manage to go 1-15 with the Fins. I guess he would be a upgrade over Zorn(not really). Week 4 lets fire the coach and we are 2-2 wow some fans never change and they want stability in the Redskins organization.

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[quote=SmootSmack;603148]


I'm not sure he has quite enough time. But then again, if I recall correctly, Roethlisberger didn't have much time many times last year but still made things happen

[/quote]
indeed, dude gets hit more than campbell

he's got receivers that are really well in tune with his needs as far as coming back to the ball.. and probably a more fitting offense for himself and would be for Campbell as well

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[quote=skins89moss;603722]Cam Cameron, the same Cam that use to coach the Dolphins. The Cam that Dolphins fans booed for drafting Ted Ginn Jr. over Brady Quinn. Well he did manage to go 1-15 with the Fins. I guess he would be a upgrade over Zorn(not really). Week 4 lets fire the coach and we are 2-2 wow some fans never change and they want stability in the Redskins organization.[/quote]
he said SOMEday not TOday

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I would hate to see the Skins waste a number 1 draft choice on a QB who might not pan out. Furthermore, you can't be patient with personnel who directly affect the QB's play. If these are the best O-Linemen we can get, then we need another set of eyes to watch the O-Line coach! Do they spend enough time in the weight room? They get pushed around quite a bit.

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UPDATED stats/assessment:

Cutler:
WK 5 - *BYE*
TOTAL: 83/129 (64.3%), 901 yds, 8 TD, 5 INT, 89.3 rating, 22 rush yds

Sanchez:
WK 5 - 12/24 (50.0%), 172 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 87.5 rating, 6 rush yds
TOTAL: 75/134 (56.0%), 916 yds, 5 TD, 5 INT, 74.1 rating, 44 rush yds

Campbell:
WK 5 - 17/23 (73.9%), 145 yds, 1 TD, 0 INT, 104.4 rating, 4 rush yds
TOTAL: 98/147 (66.7%), 1,108 yds, 6 TD, 5 INT, 88.5 rating, 89 rush yds


Ranks:
Comp. % = Campell, Cutler, Sanchez
Yds = Campell (1,108), Sanchez (916), Cutler (901)
TDs = Cutler (8), Campbell (6), Sanchez (5)
INTs = Campbell/Cutler/Sanchez (5 ea)
QB rating = Cutler (89.3), Campbell (88.5), Sanchez (74.1)
Rush yds = Campbell (89), Sanchez(44), Cutler (22)

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[quote=tryfuhl;603981]indeed, dude gets hit more than campbell

he's got receivers that are really well in tune with his needs as far as coming back to the ball.. and probably a more fitting offense for himself and would be for Campbell as well[/quote]

No it really wouldn't because Al Saunders is in charge of the passing game in Baltimore and we all saw how Campbell just mastered and excelled under that system didn't we ?

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Here's my personal take on Campbell. How come when he went down, and Collins stepped in and won 4 straight and led us to playoffs how come none of us were complaining about our O-line? We had no O-line problems when Collins was QB'ing. Collins not getting a chance to start is the biggest injustice since sending Warren Moon to the Edmonton Eskimo's. During his 4 regular season starts in Washington he has a QB rating of 106.4.

So he's my bold prediction. If we get a new coach this season, Campbell will be benched, Collins would start and the Skins will start winning again.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;607715]Here's my personal take on Campbell. How come when he went down, and Collins stepped in and won 4 straight and led us to playoffs how come none of us were complaining about our O-line? We had no O-line problems when Collins was QB'ing. Collins not getting a chance to start is the biggest injustice since sending Warren Moon to the Edmonton Eskimo's. During his 4 regular season starts in Washington he has a QB rating of 106.4.

So he's my bold prediction. If we get a new coach this season, Campbell will be benched, Collins would start and the Skins will start winning again.[/quote]

Well if I remember right Collins' start also coincided with changes made on the OL. We benched Todd Wade, slid Fabini inside and made Heyer the starting RT.

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It also coincided with having a competent guy playing QB. Collins threw the ball before receivers hit their break giving ther receiver the best chance to catch the ball. Collins was very quick with his decisions, something Campbell was not. Were still talking about a less than ideal OL for a career back up that didn't have any of the physical tools that JC has. He played some serious defenses in those 4 games and had this offense looking pretty good.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607725]Well if I remember right Collins' start also coincided with changes made on the OL. We benched Todd Wade, slid Fabini inside and made Heyer the starting RT.[/quote]

While I'm sure those adjustments helped, the x-factor was the 106.4 passer rating. His play completely re-energized our team.

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[quote=MonkFan4Life;607735]It also coincided with having a competent guy playing QB. Collins threw the ball before receivers hit their break giving ther receiver the best chance to catch the ball. Collins was very quick with his decisions, something Campbell was not. Were still talking about a less than ideal OL for a career back up that didn't have any of the physical tools that JC has. He played some serious defenses in those 4 games and had this offense looking pretty good.[/quote]

Collins would be a sitting duck right now with our o-line...at least JC is a running duck.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;607737]While I'm sure those adjustments helped, the x-factor was the 106.4 passer rating. His play completely re-energized our team.[/quote]

His play, o line changes, improved running game, Smoot and Springs playing lighs out, the emotions running through the team, Collins' knowledge of the offense, etc.

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[quote=Ruhskins;607739]Collins would be a sitting duck right now with our o-line...at least JC is a running duck.[/quote]

He just may but I doubt we would've scored 9 points against the Rams. I doubt that the games would be as close against lesser competition. Before Samuels and Thomas went down there was the exact same production from the offense that we've seen through the 2 systems that Campbell has played under since being a starter here. His stats look good by the time the game is over but there aren't many points scored. Everyone needs to come to the realization that Danny was right about him. He believed in Jason and when he lost his faith in him he lost it. I wish JC well in his future endeavors but I doubt he'll be the stud that people think Washington is keeping him from becoming.

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[quote=Kalisto2010;607737]While I'm sure those adjustments helped, the x-factor was the 106.4 passer rating. His play completely re-energized our team.[/quote]Collins looked good against Seattle in the playoffs, right? The guy is a career backup for a reason, game manager only, zero upside. What would be the point of putting him in now? Maybe by effective game management he could account for 1 win, maybe 2. That leaves us at 6-10 or 7-9, right where we want to be to rebuild ???? He is extremely slow with a weak arm.

Putting Collins in completely stops the evaluation of JC and if JC isn't the guy doesn't allow us to look at Woodson.

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[quote=SmootSmack;607743]His play, o line changes, improved running game, Smoot and Springs playing lighs out, the emotions running through the team, Collins' knowledge of the offense, etc.[/quote]

Whats playing lighs out?

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[quote=firstdown;607775]Whats playing lighs out?[/quote]

aka super smart aka fighting their guts out

The last 4 games of 2007 Springs had something like 15 tackles, 10 passes defended and 4 interceptions

Smoot didn't have quite the stats but he made some huge tackles as I recall