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[quote=tryfuhl;682709]and gtripp's systolic bp from 133 to 145 lol[/quote]Nope, started drinking proactively.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682711]Nope, started drinking proactively.[/quote]
That's the spirit.. literally

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Frank Herzog has to un-retire for this, right? There's no way he sits out the Bizarro season that's coming up. There's plenty of precedent for coming back to the booth.

Or maybe it's just me. 3-4 defense, Donovan McNabb at QB, Mike Shanahan at the helm, and no Frank Herzog. I now feel like everybody who didn't vote for Obama: too much change, too fast.

Come back, Frank. I need something familiar!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682705]Why this trade isn't being met with the skepticism of bringing in an older declining vet, like early Snyder moves, is beyond my understanding. Was McNabb very good or excellent in his prime, yes, I know I hated watching him beat up on us in the early 2000's. But that's not the McNabb we are getting, and we gave up too much to get him. Again, the Warpath poll was 3 to 1 against bringing him here. Where are all the people who talk about the Eagles getting rid of a guy a year early, and how wise that is. Well we just received the guy they got rid of, and in a year (even assuming McNabb signs an extension which we have no obvious guarantee) we will be back with no QB, or a 35 yo with declining ability and one less pick, and no young qb to groom (like McCoy or Tebow reasonably could have been).[/quote]Offseason champs, baby. Ain't nobody going to take the title from us without a fight.

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[quote=tryfuhl;682712]That's the spirit.. literally[/quote]I lol'ed.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682714]Offseason champs, baby. Ain't nobody going to take the title from us without a fight.[/quote]
It's just a middle of the pack QB bro, no big deal. ;)

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[quote=tryfuhl;682716]It's just a middle of the pack QB bro, no big deal. ;)[/quote]Nah man, he's got pro bowls. He made it all-by-himself in 2004!

Players like this don't hit the market every year. Unless this trend continues, in which case, I need to re-think my cliches.

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[quote=GTripp0012;682715]I lol'ed.[/quote]
I think that a lot of us are skeptical, but if you had to guess which guy would lead us to the biggest game that we've been to in awhile I think that most would say McNabb. No he's not in his prime anymore, but it's possible Campbell hit his this year. For him I hope not, in the right program he could have success, but it's only fair to us and him to move on; I don't think that he could get it done under Shanahan.

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I hate that this trade has me agreeing with Matt Mosely:
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21139/tap-the-brakes-on-redskins-playoff-talk]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url]

[QUOTE]By trading for McNabb, Shanahan is acting as if the Redskins are prepared to win now. You don't pay an aging quarterback $11.2 million in 2010 to be a stopgap player. To me, this smacks of the old Dan Snyder way of doing business. McNabb is a blockbuster name like, say, Deion Sanders or Bruce Smith. It sounds like another expensive shortcut, albeit a highly-intriguing one.
But let's not forget McNabb finished his 2009 campaign by playing miserably in back-to-back losses to the Cowboys....
Again, the good news for Eagles fans is that McNabb isn't exactly inheriting the Fun Bunch. Santana Moss still has breakaway speed, but he needs time to get open. And let's not act like McNabb is the same guy who once kept a play alive for 14 seconds on "Monday Night Football" against the Cowboys. In Philadelphia, McNabb played the majority of his career with offensive tackles Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan. He'll likely be breaking in a rookie on his blindside in 2010 and the pedestrian Stephon Heyer will man the right side. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=GTripp0012;682718]Nah man, he's got pro bowls. He made it all-by-himself in 2004!

Players like this don't hit the market every year. Unless this trend continues, in which case, I need to re-think my cliches.[/quote]
I mean they had their reasons.. Kolb wasn't going to extend without becoming the starter, Philly's FO is really riding on this decision here

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Mosley is a former employee of the Dallas Morning News and lifetime Skins hater...screw whatever he says!

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682720]I hate that this trade has me agreeing with Matt Mosely:
[URL="http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21139/tap-the-brakes-on-redskins-playoff-talk"]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/URL][/quote]
If he lasts here 3 years we're well off. It's not crazy to think that he might, barring injury there's not much of a reason. There are plenty of people who don't think that we should get Bradford or Clausen, regardless of Tackle availability.. this lets us delay that at the very least. What other QBs were on the block? Or do people think that Campbell was really going to flourish?

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[quote=tryfuhl;682719]I think that a lot of us are skeptical, but if you had to guess which guy would lead us to the biggest game that we've been to in awhile I think that most would say McNabb. No he's not in his prime anymore, but it's possible Campbell hit his this year. For him I hope not, in the right program he could have success, but it's only fair to us and him to move on; I don't think that he could get it done under Shanahan.[/quote]I just kind of took that point for granted, figuring there was no possible way we'd be dumb enough to find out.

I don't disagree that Campbell is as good or as close to as good as he's going to get. But any situation where Jason Campbell would fail would, by definition, be the worst situation McNabb has inherited in his career. If we can land a LT at No. 4, I'll predict that McNabb will have better numbers in 2010 than Campbell did in 09, but most of that will be Shanahan and Okung/Williams/healthy Cooley, compared to having McNabb.

Losing Campbell isn't a big loss, especially if we can get a comparable pick for him. But McNabb is obviously not a big-time gain, and right now, we don't have the pick. Hopefully we worked all of our bases to open the market for Campbell, and every party can benefit from this like Wilbon said.

Still don't think he will play 13 or more games as a Redskin.

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[quote=tootergray34;682698]And I do think Luck will come out next year, he'll probably be a top 3 QB in his class..so I don't see why he wouldn't...gotta cash in when you can. Really depends on the QB classes after him though.[/quote]


maybe shannahan's looking to get the next great QB out of Stanford....

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682720]I hate that this trade has me agreeing with Matt Mosely:
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21139/tap-the-brakes-on-redskins-playoff-talk]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Well here's [URL="http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=clayton_john&id=5055486"]Clayton's[/URL] take...

[quote]By acquiring Donovan McNabb for a second-round draft choice in 2010 and a third- or fourth-rounder in 2011, the Eagles may have given Redskins owner Daniel Snyder the short-term tool to move ahead of the Eagles in the NFC East race. In a quarterback-driven league, the Redskins should be able to finally score enough points to not just be a wild-card playoff contender, but to be a division winner.[/quote]

Not that I agree with him completely, but I think Clayton knows a bit more about Mosley.

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I'm not like about to jump off the ledge or anything, and certainly don't need to be talked into taking a few steps back, for one thing, I don't believe there's any reason to think there will be football in 2011. And I highly, highly doubt McNabb is still here (or in football) in 2012. I think we will work out a modest extension with McNabb, but he's still more or less a one-year rental.

And if we get to the playoffs, and he performs, wins some playoff games, AND Kolb wets the bed, then great, we won a trade I thought we couldn't win. Barely. For this to be a decisive win, we need to WIN the super bowl in 2010. It wasn't likely with Campbell and it isn't likely now. I do like our chances better with Okung though.

/goes to research 13-3 2006 Ravens

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And, if we could get a 3rd (or 2nd) for Campbell, then why not just do that pick up an extra pick and have 3 picks in the top 80? Now we have one, still no Tackles of any use, and we are basically forced to have to trade Campbell, or cut Rex who we just picked up. If we got rid of Campbell we could go into the year with Grossman starting (ugh) and have those extra picks to grab a qb for the future. All this does is reduce our ability to draft for the future, reduce our ability to get multiple LT/RTs, bring in a qb whose numbers were slightly better than what we had, and cost us a pick next year.

But hey, OFF-SEASON CHAMPS is the Redskins Way.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682730]And, if we could get a 3rd (or 2nd) for Campbell, then why not just do that pick up an extra pick and have 3 picks in the top 80? Now we have one, still no Tackles of any use, and we are basically forced to have to trade Campbell, or cut Rex who we just picked up. If we got rid of Campbell we could go into the year with Grossman starting (ugh) and have those extra picks to grab a qb for the future. All this does is reduce our ability to draft for the future, reduce our ability to get multiple LT/RTs, bring in a qb whose numbers were slightly better than what we had, and cost us a pick next year.[/quote]Yeah, no idea what they were thinking here, especially if the conclusion was that they couldn't win with a merely above average quarterback.

Maybe they were allured by McNabb's success as a playoff quarterback and thought that, if they were handed a team that was just a tackle away from making the postseason, they'd hate to have a run killed by finding out that Campbell doesn't perform well in the postseason. But, again, there's no evidence to suggest that playoff performance is a skill divergent from game performance, and even so, how arrogant would it be to change your quarterback based on the presumption that he can get you to the playoffs but can't win in them. Then there's the part where McNabb has continually come up short.

This is a complete grasp for straws, obviously. But there's little logic in this deal, period.

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Well this link say it all [url=http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-offered-Haynesworth-in-exchange-for-McN?urn=nfl,232011]Redskins offered Haynesworth in exchange for McNabb - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/url]

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Here's Matt Williamson's take on the trade, he's from Scouts Inc:

[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/12632/what-washington-gets-with-donovan-mcnabb]What Redskins get with Donovan McNabb - NFC East Blog - ESPN[/url]

I'm a big fan of Matt Williamson, and I feel like a guy like this has a bit more credibility since he watches tape and was an NFL scout, and is probably not out there to try to sell a story like Mosely or any other pundit (SS can correct me if I'm wrong).

That being said, I like his let's wait and see attitude. and I do hope he's right that a Buffalo or Oakland would send their second rounder for Campbell.

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[quote=CRedskinsRule;682720]I hate that this trade has me agreeing with Matt Mosely:
[url=http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/21139/tap-the-brakes-on-redskins-playoff-talk]Tap the brakes on Redskins playoff talk - NFL Nation Blog - ESPN[/url][/quote]

Mosely is just mad that his little NFC East world could possibly be turned upside down.

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It's also interesting that we've brought in now a second "savior" for an offense that has yet to get a talent influx. Maybe we should be saving the Hail Marys for the second half of the offseason?

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[quote=GTripp0012;682736]It's also interesting that we've brought in now a second "savior" for an offense that has yet to get a talent influx. Maybe we should be saving the Hail Marys for the second half of the offseason?[/quote]

Who was the first savior? Gibbs? Sherman Lewis? Al Saunders?

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[quote=cocoajoey;682733]Well this link say it all [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Redskins-offered-Haynesworth-in-exchange-for-McN?urn=nfl,232011"]Redskins offered Haynesworth in exchange for McNabb - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports[/URL][/quote]
yeah heard that both he and someone else were offered, forget the other guy that could've been part of a potential trade

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Is it good or bad that every successful comparable team I can think of for the 2010 Redskins offense ended up producing the number one defense?

Moral of the story: offensive moves will look great if the defense you are ignoring completely overachieves.

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I heard Landry was in on it. He and Haynesworth were the two players offered for McNabb straight up, both rejected by the Eagles [B]before[/B] this weekend.

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[quote=Ruhskins;682737]Who was the first savior? Gibbs? Sherman Lewis? Al Saunders?[/quote]Shanahan.

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did a search on haynesworth to try to find the other one.. got this gem instead

[url=http://twitter.com/ddockett/status/11624507472]Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: the eagles whipp the deads ...[/url]

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[quote=GTripp0012;682700]Educate yourself, please.

[url=http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/G/GradBr00.htm]Bruce Gradkowski NFL & AFL Football Statistics | Pro-Football-Reference.com[/url][/quote]
Stats don't tell the whole story

[quote=GTripp0012;682707]I'll put the over/under on games played as a Redskin for McNabb at 11.5. You'll bite?

Seriously though, your analysis here is complete garbage. Try to offer something more substantial so I can respond to the argument as opposed to how sore you are being.[/quote]

No. Your biases are clear enough.
Fact is that McNabb is more experienced than Campbell in the WCO. He's had a lot of years to soak it in.
Fact is that Reid basically tried to "discipline" him into a pure pocket passer. v
Fact is that Shanahan's system does utilize bootlegs and rollouts frequently.
Fact is that McNabb knows how to play on the run.
Fact is that McNabb can put super touch on his deep balls.
Fact is that Campbell can't even manage a practiced back shoulder throw while someone "comparable" like Rodgers does it with Driver all the time.
Fact is that Shanahan knows how to get something out of QBs who have some mobility and can make plays with their arm.(Elway, Young, and hell, even Plummer)
Fact is that McNabb isn't going to be in a one-dimensional offensive philsophy. Implementation may be an issue, but Fat Andy won't be in his way anyone.
Fact is that Campbell can't hold it till that very last moment like many great QBs can. Doug Farrar said as much.

Fact is that you can deny the truth value of the statements, but self-evident things do not need analysis.

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Interesting, the Redskins have been involved in all these big time in-conference trades:

[QUOTE]NFL
[B]April 4, 2009 -- Donovan McNabb from Philadelphia to Washington:[/B] The veteran quarterback stays in the NFC East, going from the Eagles to the Redskins for a 2010 second round pick and a third or fourth round pick in 2011.

[B]1964 -- Eagles and Redskins swap quarterbacks:[/B] The McNabb deal is not the first time there has been a notable quarterback trade between Philadelphia and Washington. In 1964, the teams swapped signal-callers, with future Hall of Famer Sonny Jurgensen going from Philly to D.C. in exchange for Norm Snead. The Eagles also received defensive back Claude Crabb in the deal.

[B]December 1961 -- Bobby Mitchell from Cleveland to Washington:[/B] The Browns and Redskins were then both members of the NFL's Eastern Conference. Mitchell, a future Hall of Famer, was dealt by Cleveland, which also had Jim Brown at the time, for Ernie Davis, the top pick in the 1962 NFL draft, then held in December of 1961. Mitchell was the first African-American player acquired by the Redskins and Davis never played a down in the NFL, dying of leukemia in May of 1963.[/QUOTE]

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[quote=GTripp0012;682740]I heard Landry was in on it. He and Haynesworth were the two players offered for McNabb straight up, both rejected by the Eagles [B]before[/B] this weekend.[/quote]
ahh landry yeah that was the other one

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[quote=Ruhskins;682744]Interesting, the Redskins have been involved in all these big time in-conference trades:[/quote]
Don't forget the huge 5th rounder to get Thrash back!

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[quote=tryfuhl;682742]did a search on haynesworth to try to find the other one.. got this gem instead

[url=http://twitter.com/ddockett/status/11624507472]Twitter / DARNELL DOCKETT: the eagles whipp the deads ...[/url][/quote]

I guess Dockett still believes that Kurt Warner is still the Cards' QB. Otherwise, he would know that his team will be losing a lot too.

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[quote=tryfuhl;682746]Don't forget the huge 5th rounder to get Thrash back![/quote]

Well, Bobby Mitchell and Sonny worked out well for the Skins, hopefully the same happens with McNabb.

So anyone else thinks that an 8-8 seasons or less than that means the end of Andy Reid in Philly?

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[quote=Ruhskins;682747]I guess Dockett still believes that Kurt Warner is still the Cards' QB. Otherwise, he would know that his team will be losing a lot too.[/quote]
Read his front page of tweets

dude's a basehead I swear

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[quote=Ruhskins;682748]Well, Bobby Mitchell and Sonny worked out well for the Skins, hopefully the same happened.

So anyone else thinks that an 8-8 seasons or less than that means the end of Andy Reid in Philly?[/quote]
well they're taking his control away so he could be in trouble and the FO might not be far behind if Kolb doesn't work out

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[quote=SirClintonPortis;682743]Stats don't tell the whole story



No. Your biases are clear enough.
Fact is that McNabb is more experienced than Campbell in the WCO. He's had a lot of years to soak it in.
Fact is that Reid basically tried to "discipline" him into a pure pocket passer. v
Fact is that Shanahan's system does utilize bootlegs and rollouts frequently.
Fact is that McNabb knows how to play on the run.
Fact is that McNabb can put super touch on his deep balls.
Fact is that Campbell can't even manage a practiced back shoulder throw while someone "comparable" like Rodgers does it with Driver all the time.
Fact is that Shanahan knows how to get something out of QBs who have some mobility and can make plays with their arm.
Fact is that McNabb isn't going to be in a one-dimensional offensive philsophy. Implementation may be an issue, but Fat Andy won't be in his way anyone.
Fact is that Campbell can't hold it till that very last moment like many great QBs can. Doug Farrar said as much.

Fact is that you can deny the truth value of the statements, but self-evident things do not need analysis.[/quote]Stuff like Gradkowski>Campbell is low-hanging fruit. I do not want to hear what does and does not tell the "whole story" when you're just flat out lying to me.

You can't claim self-evidence as logical support when your arguments are entirely faith based. I'll do you the courtesy of not accepting your failures here as support for my arguments validity, and I wouldn't jump to a conclusion and rule out the fact that there's genius in this move that neither of us can see, but I'm just going to reject most if not all of your premises here as some mix of false and insignificant.

I don't consider it significant that McNabb has experience in the Reid WCO, seeing as the only defense for this trade would be that Shanahan is going to use him more optimally.

I have no idea what you mean by McNabb "knows how to play on the run". He doesn't complete too many of his deep balls, so perhaps he should take some of that great touch off of it. McNabb isn't Rodgers (that one was particularly easy).

Faith in Shanahan, faith in Shanahan, anybody but Campbell, "trust the process". Got it.

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Man, I can't believe this shit!!! I thought bringing in Bruce Allen and Shanahan was going to be good for the franchise. But as we all can see nothing has really changed. Bringing in McNabb is a huge mistakes!! We traded away a future player that would have probably gave us 6 or 7 good years for a guy that's clearly out of his prime. More than likely he's probably not going to be with us past 2010. If we offer him an extension then I will be even more piss than I am right now. One way or the other we are out of a draft picks. I have just lost all confidence in Bruce Allen and Shanahan's ability to build a team. The only way this new regime can win my trust back is if they manage to get trade for more picks.

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[B]I love this move, We finally have a QB that has QUICK FEET IN THE POCKET! Mcnabb's ability to buy time in the pocket is just what we need for our OLINE building.

Cant wait.[/B]