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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;868028]No, No, No.[/quote]

I agree. I hope they don't do it but you know the make up of the brain trust. Do you think they really want to wait around for a rookie?

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868019]Today was the 3rd time I've seen Manning being linked to the redskins.. Can anyone actually see that happening?[/quote]

What was the link? And no...though you may not like the alternative. Ain't that right Crazy Canuck?

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[quote=skinsfan69;868030]I agree. I hope they don't do it but you know the make up of the brain trust. Do you think they really want to wait around for a rookie?[/quote]

If they dont want me to snipe them COD style they will want to.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868033]What was the link? And no...though you may not like the alternative. Ain't that right Crazy Canuck?[/quote]

What's the alternative exactly?

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[quote=SmootSmack;868033]What was the link? And no...though you may not like the alternative. Ain't that right Crazy Canuck?[/quote]


M and M talked the possibility earlier today, said it could be a good fit

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[quote=mbedner3420;868035]What's the alternative exactly?[/quote]

John Beck's little brother?

[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;868038]M and M talked the possibility earlier today, said it could be a good fit[/QUOTE]

I'm sure they were just talking. Really doubt he's coming here

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;868025]I think that is the shortest post I have ever seen you write. You trying to steal my thunder???[/quote]

Not much else to say, it's not happening.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868030]I agree. I hope they don't do it but you know the make up of the brain trust. Do you think they really want to wait around for a rookie?[/quote]

The same brain trust that wheeled and dealed themselves into 12 draft picks last year? What about this current roster says win now?

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I don't see Manning wanting to come but crazier things have happened

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868047]I don't see Manning wanting to come but crazier things have happened[/quote]

Not happening.

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I think Manning either returns to the Colts or retires. They will draft Luck and hope Manning can play a couple more seasons.

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[quote=Mattyk;868046]The same brain trust that wheeled and dealed themselves into 12 draft picks last year? What about this current roster says win now?[/quote]

They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868087]They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.[/quote]

That would be dumb by them. They should try to get Barkley or RGIII if they come out (Barkley preferably). Manning is one big hit away from retirement.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868087]They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.[/quote]

I just don't see them trading him. They owe him another $28M bonus before they can even offer him up.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868087]They had no choice cause they had to get younger. The only real way to do it is by the draft. But they still went out and signed several free agents, like they always do. I see them doing to same thing this year, signing more free agents and drafting. But like I said, w/ an older coach and a GM that thinks "the future is now" ...and an impatient owner and a fed up fan base, you'd be kidding yourself if you think the Redskins are not going to make a run at Manning....if he goes on the trading block.[/quote]

I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins [U]are[/U] rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted [U]and[/U] good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.

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Giving up multiple high round picks for a 36 year old QB with some serious injury concerns? I just don't see the Skins making that move.

Plus why would Manning want to come here? If he was traded, he's gonna want to go to a team ready to contend right now.

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I think for guys like C. Mortenson & J. Clayton who are paid by espn to not only find info about players, but also to offer insight & predictions (read opinion) on players' & teams' moves, linking Manning to the Skins is simply the low hanging fruit of their hypothesis. Correct me if I'm wrong, but nobody has actually reported any facts other than salary figures.

Hope we are not in the manning talks when the draft approaches, unless Allen can use that as leverage to broker another deal.

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[quote=Mattyk;868099]Giving up multiple high round picks for a 36 year old QB with some serious injury concerns? I just don't see the Skins making that move.

Plus why would Manning want to come here? If he was traded, he's gonna want to go to a team ready to contend right now.[/quote]
I think with our team and a healthy Manning we are ready to contend now.

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[quote=T.O.Killa;868101]I think with our team and a healthy Manning we are ready to contend now.[/quote]


:yeahright


:laughing2:laughing-:rofl:

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The team that would benefit the most if Manning was traded, would be the 49ers. Alex Smith would be a FA, they have a young QB in the wings that Manning could mentor and are a playoff team.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;868103]The team that would benefit the most if Manning was traded, would be the 49ers. Alex Smith would be a FA, they have a young QB in the wings that Manning could mentor and are a playoff team.[/quote]

Either them or the Jets would be the ideal place for Manning. I don't think he will be traded at this point. My guess is that Luck and Manning will be forced to coexist for a year or two.

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[quote=Mattyk;868099]Giving up multiple high round picks for a 36 year old QB with some serious injury concerns? I just don't see the Skins making that move.

Plus why would Manning want to come here? If he was traded, he's gonna want to go to a team ready to contend right now.[/quote]

36 years old or not, the Colts will want a high price in trade. I'm not sure what team would make that move because the price will be so steep. I'm with you, I don't see Manning coming here.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868038]M and M talked the possibility earlier today, said it could be a good fit[/quote]

Did you actually listen to this. Because I think your statement about what they said is pretty inaccurate

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[quote=Mattyk;868093]I just don't see them trading him. They owe him another $28M bonus before they can even offer him up.[/quote]

But they can work out numbers to make it work. No one is paying him that amount of money. Not even Indy.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;868096][B]I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins [U]are[/U] rebuilding[/B] - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted [U]and[/U] good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.[/quote]

Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.

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[quote=skinsfan69;868113]Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/quote]

After the whole situation and reaction to the McNabb trade I can't even fathom what would happen if we got Manning. I think the world would explode. And at very least, my head...

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[QUOTE=skinsfan69;868113]Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

[B]All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/[/B]QUOTE]

We ARE rebuilding, that doesn't mean they don't want to "win now." Of course they do, but other than the mcnabb deal the new regime has shown it will not do so at any cost. Compare our moves to Philly's this year.

This article in today's WP explains it well & gives some #s to back it up. Boswell even calls BS on Allen saying "the future is now."

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-is-forging-a-new-identity-for-the-redskins-building-through-the-draft/2011/12/14/gIQAnT1muO_story.html]Mike Shanahan is forging a new identity for the Redskins: Building through the draft - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=skinsfan69;868030]I agree. I hope they don't do it but you know the make up of the brain trust. Do you think they really want to wait around for a rookie?[/quote]

Danny Boy ain't callin' da shots around heeah no mo'...

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[quote=freddyg12;868116][QUOTE=skinsfan69;868113]Maybe I am. But with a group of solid vet wr's...Stallworth, Moss and Gafney, plus Hank coming back, a real good TE, revamp the line and bring in a fa or two and with an above average defense and a healthy Manning this team could contend. It certainly would be a conterder in the division. Hell...right now this team plays competitive games in the division with Rex Grossman.

[B]All I'm saying is the FO office wants to win now. Rebuilding and taking 3-4 years isn't their thing.[/[/B]QUOTE]

We ARE rebuilding, that doesn't mean they don't want to "win now." Of course they do, but other than the mcnabb deal the new regime has shown it will not do so at any cost. Compare our moves to Philly's this year.

This article in today's WP explains it well & gives some #s to back it up. Boswell even calls BS on Allen saying "the future is now."

[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/mike-shanahan-is-forging-a-new-identity-for-the-redskins-building-through-the-draft/2011/12/14/gIQAnT1muO_story.html"]Mike Shanahan is forging a new identity for the Redskins: Building through the draft - The Washington Post[/URL][/quote]

We'll see what happens. I hope they keep building through the draft. I actually HATE the free agent route cause it's proven that it doesn't really work. I hope they draft RG3, build an offense around him and go from there.

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[quote=SmootSmack;868109]Did you actually listen to this. Because I think your statement about what they said is pretty inaccurate[/quote]


I didn't catch the whole Convo but Greeny said Manning could work with the Shanahans and Golic agreed but they didn't come out and say yes they think he'll end up there

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;868096]I really think you're reading the tea leaves incorrectly on this one. The Skins [U]are[/U] rebuilding - their just not admitting to it in a straightforward manner. To put it more succinctly, Bruce Allen's "the future is now" remark was pure bullshit. Don't be mislead.

Because the Skiins are rebuilding, going after Peyton Manning would be the wrong move for this team. We are not going to be competing for a title for at least two more seasons, if nearly everything goes well. Not to mention that Peyton is a very big injury risk which the Skins cannot afford to take.

As for the Free Agent pickups. these were a different type of FAs for the Skins. They were younger mid-level FA's - not silver bullets but good players who filled needs - who should be around when the team has been rebuilt. To rebuild, we need good young players who were drafted [U]and[/U] good young players who were acquired through Free Agency.

Our designated Franchise QB will almost certainly be drafted.[/quote]I don't know where to point to suggest rebuilding is taking place. Shanahan says, and you can tell me if you think he is being dishonest, that the young players who are playing now are not necessarily doing so because they should be, but because there is no one else healthy enough to play.

Maybe there is some motive causing him to lie about the state of the organization. But with the general manager not believing in rebuilding, the head coach doesn't believe in rebuilding, and the owner not sure what the heck the difference is anyway, I would suggest that rebuilding is a figment of the fans imagination.

There is nothing fundamentally different with this organization now vs. five years ago. There are different [I]decision-makers[/I], being that Bruce Allen is not Vinny Cerrato, and Mike Shanahan is not Joe Gibbs, but whether or not the decisions are consistently better than in the Snyder-Cerrato-Gibbs days is not something I think I have enough evidence to pass an opinion on. I think it looks pretty similar.

The front office is pretty much the same guys as five years ago. The only thing different is a couple of people at the top who hold the authority. The fact that the scouting department is still marginalized is identical between the regimes.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;868191]I didn't catch the whole Convo but Greeny said Manning could work with the Shanahans and Golic agreed but they didn't come out and say yes they think he'll end up there[/quote]

Well look, first off they were responding to Joe Theismann's comments where JT said on ESPN 980's Sports Fix that he thought Peyton Manning would be a terrible fit here.

Greenberg said he (Greenberg) thinks it could be a place with Mike and Kyle where Peyton could find himself. Golic said he didn't think he will leave Indy but that he, unlike Theismann, doesn't think that he'd have a problem adjusting to a different system such as Shanahan's. Where as Theismann and I believe Greenberg think that the Redskins would have to adjust their system.

But anyway, the conversation was more about could Peyton Manning successfully transition to another team.

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National Football Post seem to be really high on Ryan Tannehill

1. Andrew Luck
2. RG III
3. Ryan Tannehill
4. Matt Barkley
5. Nick Foles
6. Landry Jones

[url=http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_big_board_rankings.html&position=qb]National Football Post College Big Board | National Football Post[/url]

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I don't think you can call what they're doing a 'rebuild'.
And at the same time its not quite win now.
Its somewhere in the nebulous confusion that occurs when your HC is your GM, two positions that are often at cross purposes.

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;868103]The team that would benefit the most if Manning was traded, would be the 49ers. Alex Smith would be a FA, they have a young QB in the wings that Manning could mentor and are a playoff team.[/quote]

From what I understand, very few established veteran QB's are willing to actually mentor young QB's. Even less so when they're future hall of famers. I mean Montana didn't want to do it for Young, Favre didn't want to do it for Rodgers, and I doubt Manning would be willing to do it for anyone else.

Guys like Hasslebeck for instance are more the exception then the rule.
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Warner also did it with Leinart but beyond that I can't think of many guys that actually took their young backups under their wing.

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mortreport Chris Mortensen
USC T Matt Kalil has decided to turn pro, per sources. Projected as top-5 pick; premier LT prospect. No word on Barkley. #NFL32 #ESPN #USC
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DraftCountdown Scott Wright
The decision by #USC OT Matt Kalil to go pro more than likely means his teammate Matt Barkley will follow.
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[quote=Dirtbag59;868210]mortreport Chris Mortensen
USC T Matt Kalil has decided to turn pro, per sources. Projected as top-5 pick; premier LT prospect. No word on Barkley. #NFL32 #ESPN #USC
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DraftCountdown Scott Wright
The decision by #USC OT Matt Kalil to go pro more than likely means his teammate Matt Barkley will follow.
6 minutes ago[/quote]

That's great news as both have been linked together.

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[quote=mbedner3420;868213]That's great news as both have been linked together.[/quote]

Yes it is great news. I think even if Seattle/Miami and Cleveland jump us to get their QB's (which I doubt both will happen), that more than likely means that worst case we're stuck with Kalil. Not a bad choice, for where we (hopefully) will be drafting this year.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;868226]Yes it is great news. I think even if Seattle/Miami and Cleveland jump us to get their QB's (which I doubt both will happen), that more than likely means that worst case we're stuck with Kalil. Not a bad choice, for where we (hopefully) will be drafting this year.[/quote] Didn't we just draft Trent Williams 2 years ago? I don't see how it would be a good idea draft another Tackle. We need a qb. If we miss out on Barkley and Griffin I'm going to be pissed off. Drafting Kalil isn't going to make me happy at all.