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[quote=diehard;876662]RG3 had better overall production and accomplishments than Vick had coming out. RG3 has a more stable upbringing than Vick. RG3 is more intelligent than Vick. Why would these facts make one think RG3's career would be similiar?[/quote]

I just don't see what all the fuss is with having to pay a premium for the right to draft RGIII. Is the extra cornerback, receiver, or linebacker worth not getting a franchise QB? An elite prospect that can make the team contenders year in and year out.

Let me tell you something, the rest of the NFC East is praying we don't get this guy. They don't want to face him as a rookie and they sure as hell don't want to face him when he starts to come into his own around year 3. I see this guy as a top 5 QB when he develops and certainly he'll end up being the best QB in the East. You just don't pass up an opportunity to take the guy that can turn around your team because you want to be frugal.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;876668]I just don't see what all the fuss is with having to pay a premium for the right to draft RGIII. Is the extra cornerback, receiver, or linebacker worth not getting a franchise QB? An elite prospect that can make the team contenders year in and year out.

Let me tell you something, the rest of the NFC East is praying we don't get this guy. They don't want to face him as a rookie and they sure as hell don't want to face him when he starts to come into his own around year 3. I see this guy as a top 5 QB when he develops and certainly he'll end up being the best QB in the East. You just don't pass up an opportunity to take the guy that can turn around your team because you want to be frugal.[/quote]

People are gonna complain no matter what.

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And of course, next years class will be better.

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I'm with Dirtbag here. I've always been a fan of acquiring picks by trading back in the draft. One player does not make any team a contender......That was until I watched the Colts, a perennial powerhouse, fall to the number 1 pick. I'm not saying RGIII is Peyton Manning, but one guy can make a difference.

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Ditto to the above posts. It is worth a high price to have a dynamic franchise QB.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;876637]Matt Flynn will be signed March 1

#Hail to the Redskins[/quote]

Even if we do get Flynn, he can't be our only QB plan, right? We'd still need to draft a QB high IMO.

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^ Aggreed Flynn is not the end all-be all for this team See Matt Cassel, he may be nothing more then a system QB who looked good in one game.

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Lorenzo Alexander was on Ch 4 tonight saying the Skins should go after Flynn.

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While I don't know college football at all, from his highlights I tend to agree that RGIII seems to be the kind of talent worth mortgaging the teams future.

With that said, if he truly is the phenom he seems to be, is there any chance that the Colts draft him over Luck? New GM and Coach might think he's a better fit.

And if he's not good enough to be in the same conversation as Luck, is he still worth mortgaging the teams future?

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[quote=WillH;876679]While I don't know college football at all, from his highlights I tend to agree that RGIII seems to be the kind of talent worth mortgaging the teams future.

With that said, if he truly is the phenom he seems to be, is there any chance that the Colts draft him over Luck? New GM and Coach might think he's a better fit.[/quote]

I've heard from a friend who has a contact within the Colts' organization that they're high on RGIII, and that Andrew Luck isn't necessarily a lock to be their pick. Take it for what it's worth. It is second-hand info, but my friend is well connected and hasn't let me down before.

[quote=Dirtbag59;876668]I just don't see what all the fuss is with having to pay a premium for the right to draft RGIII. Is the extra cornerback, receiver, or linebacker worth not getting a franchise QB? An elite prospect that can make the team contenders year in and year out.

Let me tell you something, the rest of the NFC East is praying we don't get this guy. They don't want to face him as a rookie and they sure as hell don't want to face him when he starts to come into his own around year 3. I see this guy as a top 5 QB when he develops and certainly he'll end up being the best QB in the East. You just don't pass up an opportunity to take the guy that can turn around your team because you want to be frugal.[/quote]

Totally agreed. Well put. This is a QB league, and we don't have anyone on the roster who is even close to being a competitive starter in the league, let alone championship caliber. Yes, we have a lot of holes, but the biggest one is QB. Plug that one and then fill in the rest. I think Shanny & Allen have the same philosophy but just whiffed big time on Dono.

I cannot understand what the knock is on RGIII. Because of the hype? I know there's a lot of hyped players who tanked. Should that hurt his draft stock? For every JaMarcus Russell & Ryan Leaf, there's a Cam Newton & Peyton Manning. Then the whole skill set argument not fitting Shanny's system. Come on! He's a mobile, pin point passer with a dangerous deep ball. Hello. He's not a run first QB, but he is an elite scrambler. I don't understand the criticism either that he ran the spread in college. You know who else ran the spread in college and it's translated well to the pros? Drew Brees.

Of course, I'm on the RGIII bandwagon. I would love a high character leader for this team who can straight up ball. If his playmaking ability and leadership transfer over to the pros, he will inspire the team and win more games for us. Wouldn't we all like to see some inspired football for a change? If he's not the franchise QB, I still think the team needs to do whatever it takes to find one, and then, plug up the holes. That's how important a franchise QB is in this league.

Count me in on the "let's go get our qb at whatever cost" bandwagon. The NFL today is a qb driven league, and we don't have one. Let's not settle this time.

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I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler

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I haven't changed Smooty.

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876691]I haven't changed Smooty.[/quote]
^^^^^^^^^^

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[quote=Lotus;876675]Even if we do get Flynn, he can't be our only QB plan, right? We'd still need to draft a QB high IMO.[/quote]


Oh yes No doubt, I'd take Tannehill as well

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[quote=SmootSmack;876689]I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler[/quote]

No, there was much much more debate about a Cutler deal.

And I have changed my tune. I thought before that we needed to create more depth, make a real team. Even then I argued mildly for a Bradford draft trade-up. Now, it seems to me, is the time to add the most important piece. The supporting cast is not the best but it is not bad either. It's time to add the lynchpin.

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Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, that's a pretty good young supporting cast. Throw in a FA WR and/or a 3rd round WR or LaMichael James along with RGIII and we could be st for a while.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;876676]^ Aggreed Flynn is not the end all-be all for this team See Matt Cassel, he may be nothing more then a system QB who looked good in one game.[/quote]

Yeah, but Cassell is not a bum, and he never looked as good as Flynn did. There are a lot of guys who can get hot and throw for over 300 yards and 3-4 TDs, but 480 and 6? Damn!

U could be right though. Maybe he's not all that. I remember a lot of posts during the tail end of the Jason Campbell era arguing that we shouldn't draft a QB until we had a solid foundation in place.

What if the Skins kept all their picks and built up the Offense this off-season with the exception of QB. Wouldn't they be in a much better position to draft a franchise QB next year? Imagine all 8 picks and free agency going towards O-line, WR, Secondary and LB.

And then next season bundle a bunch of picks to trade up for Matt Barkley or someone else. By that time, they should have a bonafide #1 and #2 WR to go along with a re-tooled O-line and more depth on Defense. Less holes would make it more palatable to trade picks to move up in the draft.

Then, their rookie QB would step into an ideal situation. I know the arguments about the Shanny's needing to win now or else the whole things gets blown up, and [B][U]I'm not necessarily proposing this[/U][/B]. Just saying it wouldn't be the end of the world to manage through one more season to come out on the other end with a solid team from top to bottom.

I envision the Redskins more in the mold of the Giants, Ravens and 49ers (solid all around) than the tecmo-bowl type teams of the Pats, Packers and Saints.

Any takers?

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;876695]Roy Helu, Evan Royster, Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Chris Cooley, that's a pretty good young supporting cast. Throw in a FA WR and/or a 3rd round WR or LaMichael James along with RGIII and we could be st for a while.[/quote]

LaMichael James would be a nice addition. I wonder what round he'll drop to. Wouldn't mind taking a chance late on one of the Gators' speedsters either.

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[quote=skinsfaninok;876693]Oh yes No doubt, I'd take Tannehill as well[/quote]

High five on the Tannehill-Flynn choice. :food-smil

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The Redskins are going to get two QBs, it is just wait and see how they do it.

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[quote=theJBexperience;876682]I've heard from a friend who has a contact within the Colts' organization that they're high on RGIII, and that Andrew Luck isn't necessarily a lock to be their pick. Take it for what it's worth. It is second-hand info, but my friend is well connected and hasn't let me down before.



Totally agreed. Well put. This is a QB league, and we don't have anyone on the roster who is even close to being a competitive starter in the league, let alone championship caliber. Yes, we have a lot of holes, but the biggest one is QB. Plug that one and then fill in the rest. I think Shanny & Allen have the same philosophy but just whiffed big time on Dono.

I cannot understand what the knock is on RGIII. Because of the hype? I know there's a lot of hyped players who tanked. Should that hurt his draft stock? For every JaMarcus Russell & Ryan Leaf, there's a Cam Newton & Peyton Manning. Then the whole skill set argument not fitting Shanny's system. Come on! He's a mobile, pin point passer with a dangerous deep ball. Hello. He's not a run first QB, but he is an elite scrambler. I don't understand the criticism either that he ran the spread in college. You know who else ran the spread in college and it's translated well to the pros? Drew Brees.

Of course, I'm on the RGIII bandwagon. I would love a high character leader for this team who can straight up ball. If his playmaking ability and leadership transfer over to the pros, he will inspire the team and win more games for us. Wouldn't we all like to see some inspired football for a change? If he's not the franchise QB, I still think the team needs to do whatever it takes to find one, and then, plug up the holes. That's how important a franchise QB is in this league.[/quote]

There are always going to be "knocks" on guys as highly touted as RGIII, because there are no guarantees, and history tells us that the odds are 50/50at best for QBs taken in the top 10-15 picks. Even Luck is not a lock. I think most fans want RGIII, me included, but there's nothing wrong with being worried about what he will cost. If we give up 4 or more high picks, and he doesn't pan out we're going to be in for some next level pain and misery.

:Flush:

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[quote=Lotus;876698]High five on the Tannehill-Flynn choice. :food-smil[/quote]

Hoyer-Foles

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[quote=SmootSmack;876689]I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler[/quote]

RG3 is way better than Cutler.

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[quote=diehard;876707]RG3 is way better than Cutler.[/quote]

Already? 0-0 for 0 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. Let's get that HOF Bust ready;)

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[quote=SBXVII;876653]For someone who is saying MS needs to get it right and take the right QB because this coming year might cost him his job after year 3 in a 5 year contract, I'm supprised you would settle for an unknown commodity.

I think people get too riled up about who "THEY" want or would like to see the Skins get that they forget that there are other choices. What if MS and KS don't believe RG3 is their style of QB?[/quote]

When did I ever say i think MS may lose his job? I believe in him and I think he knows what he is doing, I just want a good cornerstone qb.

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Well, if the Skins should sign Flynn as a FA then I'd like to see them trade down to the middle of the 1st Round.

If they were to trade down that far, they should be able to pick up a 2nd Round pick and a 4th Round pick. Then, I'd like to see them trade up (using one of their three 4th Round picks and lower picks) to get another 3rd Round pick. That would give them one 1st Round pick, two 2nd Round picks, two 3rd Round picks, and two 4th Round picks. They should be able to get a lot of talented players with 7 picks in the first four rounds.

Add that to a good FA group and the Skins should be much improved.

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[quote=SBXVII;876655]Funny the same thing was said about Locker last year. Also the opposite was said about Dalton. I really wish we had taken Dalton just to quiet down the panicked "we have to get a Rookie QB" because no one else can get the job done. Franchise QBs are developed and work well over years of service, what you want is a flash in the pan.... Another Mile Vick, how many SB's did he win? I'd rather have someone who can be developed and take this team into the play offs for many years because he is the right QB for our system vs having a highlight reel.[/quote]

The same was said about Locker last year because its true, hes better than anything we have. I'll pass on a flash in the pan, I know franchise QBs are developed over time. I believe RG3 will come in as a good quarterback for a team and for sure improve over the years especially with his style of play and mindset. I also have a feeling he will produce many highlights as well. highlights = points = offense = wins = playoffs= championships = what the skins neeeeed

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[quote=44Deezel;876710]Already? 0-0 for 0 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. Let's get that HOF Bust ready;)[/quote]

Took the words right out my mouth

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;876705]Hoyer-Foles[/QUOTE]

Jack Daniels this early?

#Hail to the Redskins

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you know, someone on here recommended brandon weeden which I shot down, but if you think about it, I shouldn't, and nor should we, shoot down the possibility of getting him, regardless of his age, because he may enter the league as a 28 year old, but, Kurt Warner also did the same thing, and it's QB, a position where guys will play until their in that late 30's, early 40's. Vinny Testerverde played until he was like 46 or something.

[QUOTE=CultBrennan59;876717]you know, someone on here recommended brandon weeden which I shot down, but if you think about it, I shouldn't, and nor should we, shoot down the possibility of getting him, regardless of his age, because he may enter the league as a 28 year old, but, Kurt Warner also did the same thing, and it's QB, a position where guys will play until their in that late 30's, early 40's. Vinny Testerverde played until he was like 46 or something.[/QUOTE]

For me it's not his age I just don't think he's that good, playing w a loaded offense and a conference with no d helped him a bunch, unlike Sam who proved he had all the tools

#Hail to the Redskins

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[quote=44Deezel;876710]Already? 0-0 for 0 yards, 0 TDs and 0 INTs. Let's get that HOF Bust ready;)[/quote]

0 INTs though.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;876712]Well, if the Skins should sign Flynn as a FA then I'd like to see them trade down to the middle of the 1st Round.

If they were to trade down that far, they should be able to pick up a 2nd Round pick and a 4th Round pick. Then, I'd like to see them trade up (using one of their three 4th Round picks and lower picks) to get another 3rd Round pick. That would give them one 1st Round pick, two 2nd Round picks, two 3rd Round picks, and two 4th Round picks. They should be able to get a lot of talented players with 7 picks in the first four rounds.

Add that to a good FA group and the Skins should be much improved.[/quote]

Here's the problem with the whole 'gather picks' idea. The reason it works for New England and Philly (except last year) is because they already have a core of highly talented players and can afford to use the shotgun approach to the draft and hope they hit on some good players with 10-12 picks. We need to hit on most of our picks or leverage some of them to get to the place where we have that talented core.

The mindset of gathering picks is akin to 'we need to draft more OL'. There are only 53 roster spots and 22 starters. Let's say for example we get another 12 picks and 11 of them make the team again. Let's also say that the holdovers from Shanny's 1st 2 classes stick around also. That's 25-26 of a 53 man roster with less than 3 years experience, including many late rounders. How good do you think that team will really be? That's also removing 10-11 players from this roster and that's not accounting for any free agent pickups.

Your scenario would seemingly reduce the number of overall players we pick up for a top heavy draft but again, put the controller down, it just doesn't happen that way in the real world.

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Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.

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[quote=SmootSmack;876689]I feel like a lot of people have changed their opinion on the whole trade picks to get your QB idea. I don't remember such a groundswell of support for Cutler[/quote]

Cutler? WTF? lol. No I don't think so. Picking up Cutler would remind me too much of Grossman2, Orton would be Grossman3. I'm sure stats will be thrown my way but why would we want another Chicago reject?

I'd actually rather trade draft picks for Brian Hoyer back up to Brady in NE, or Flynn. I think the team will try to make a run a Flynn especially if he's a FA (which I think he will be). Neither has played much and they are somewhat unknown compared to Cutler, but atleast they were sitting behind bonified QB's learning what it takes and how to play instead of being thrown on the field to learn by themselves which hasn't really done them a great service.

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[quote=ethat001;876723]Interestingly, Jason Campbell was not great but at least he would have been cheap and wouldn't have cost us multiple draft picks and years of agony over McNabb, Rexy, and some guy named Beck. Bad choices come back to haunt you. But yes -- now we need a real QB.


My choices in order of preference:
1) Bradford (if this happens, would be ecstatic).
2) Luck (if Colts pass on him so Peyton and rookie get along better)
3) RG3 - I'm still skeptical on running QBs, but does seem smarter & accurate..
4) Flynn - one game wonder, sure, but he still looked better than Rex ever did.
5) Orton - doesn't seem to win, but his numbers always seem to look good
6) Hoyer - Wouldn't be excited about this, but rumors here say he's highly regarded


Bradford would be wonderful, because we could land a proven franchise QB. Our O-line and WR core sucks - but is probably better than the Rams. Think he would do well here. I've read Clausen's name thrown around, but wouldn't want him here - seems like a bust already.[/quote]

id be happy with bradford, but i wouldnt say hes a "proven franchise QB". hes far from proven. he had a decent rookie season and was injured much of this season. all that he has proven is that he can be decent with a shitty team. he has great potential though.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;876711]When did I ever say i think MS may lose his job? I believe in him and I think he knows what he is doing, I just want a good cornerstone qb.[/quote]

No you didn't but the RGIII crowd in general. Basically these were comments being made recently by many different people who feel the Skins "must" do whatever it takes to get RGIII. I'm just lumping you in with the other RGIII fans. Sorry.

You know whats funny? throughout the season fans were clammering about Luck and how the Skins needed to do whatever it took to get him. I wanted Barkley. Then when the Colts were on the "Suck for Luck" campaign and we realized Luck was out of our reach, fans jumped on the Barkley bandwagon, and I said we would end up with RGIII who might be better. Now that Barkley is off the board and RGIII has moved up fans are in sorta a shark frenzi about RGIII and how we "have" to get him or else. I'm kinda turned off of RGIII due to the frenzi.

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[quote=SBXVII;876726]Cutler? WTF? lol. No I don't think so. Picking up Cutler would remind me too much of Grossman2, Orton would be Grossman3. I'm sure stats will be thrown my way but why would we want another Chicago reject?

I'd actually rather trade draft picks for Brian Hoyer back up to Brady in NE, or Flynn. I think the team will try to make a run a Flynn especially if he's a FA (which I think he will be). Neither has played much and they are somewhat unknown compared to Cutler, but atleast they were sitting behind bonified QB's learning what it takes and how to play instead of being thrown on the field to learn by themselves which hasn't really done them a great service.[/quote]

A) When did he say Cutler was coming here now? That was from 2 years ago and B) Don't insult Cutler by calling him Grossman2

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[quote=CultBrennan59;876717]you know, someone on here recommended brandon weeden which I shot down, but if you think about it, I shouldn't, and nor should we, shoot down the possibility of getting him, regardless of his age, because he may enter the league as a 28 year old, but, Kurt Warner also did the same thing, and it's QB, a position where guys will play until their in that late 30's, early 40's. Vinny Testerverde played until he was like 46 or something.[/quote]

I was the one who asked about him simply because he looked good in the bowl game against none other then Luck.

I could be totally wrong but I see yes an older QB but I also see a more mature, safer with the ball, knoweledgable QB. I think the older people get the better decisions they make, the question is can their bodies hold up to their decision making. lol. The good news is Weeden has not been beaten up in the NFL yet at 28. I wouldn't have a problem with Flynn and Weeden as our QB's next year and possibly a UDFA to compete for the PS spot with Crompton.