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[quote=Ruhskins;883017]Peyton: I tell you what, if you make your son "disappear" and let me run the offense I want to play, I'll come to Washington and save your hide.

Shanny: Sold![/quote]

LOL that's excellent!

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[quote=SBXVII;882962]I look at it this way, there are fans here who seem to think we need to do whatever it takes to get RGIII to even include throwing all our draft picks away this yr and possibly next simply cause they think he will be the "franchise" QB of the future. What I find interesting is apparently no one else is supposed to think that way either only the Skins.[/quote]Although I think Griffin is the best QB prospect in this draft class I don't think the FO should 'get him at all costs'.
Call me crazy but I think the chances of Griff being available at 6 are reasonable.
Therefore I think the need/cost to move up isn't as great as people think.
Lets say we move up to the 4th or 3rd pick? The compensation would not be as the multiple 1st people have been speculating about for Griffin.
Imo we only [I][B]really[/B][/I] need to be ahead of 1 team and that's the Browns,(and doubt if the Browns really want to draft Griffin as much as they want someone to trade with them for Griffin).

I recall last year when everyone swore the Bills, Bengals, Cards and 49ers would take a QB in the1st and [I][B]none[/B][/I] did.
That's why I think there's a good chance Griff falls to us at 6.


[quote]I said any of those teams would probably take a second look at RGIII if he is supposed to be the "franchise" QB everyone thinks he is. Then there is Dolphins, Titans, Seattle, Cardinals, etc. etc. etc.[/quote]Disagree about those teams taking a second look at Griff.
Imo a team that has a potential franchise QB doesn't draft another QB just because of preference.
If those teams drafted another QB (Griffin) it means their entire organization is making a paradigm shift.

The only real threats from that list are the Dolphins and the Seahawks.
And there is a good chance that the Dolphins address their QB issue through FA.
Seattle would have to sacrifice a lot to leap frog past the 6th pick.

[quote]I don't want Orton but if it's expected for him to simply be back up to whoever is drafted then I'm ok with it. I just don't want him starting otherwise we might as well keep Grossman, I think his knowledge of the scheme out weights the few less INT's Orton provides.[/quote]Orton is a worse case scenario as a starter but even still he would be better then Rex.

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[quote=30gut;883046]Although I think Griffin is the best QB prospect in this draft class I don't think the FO should 'get him at all costs'.
Call me crazy but I think the chances of Griff being available at 6 are reasonable.
Therefore I think the need/cost to move up isn't as great as people think.
Lets say we move up to the 4th or 3rd pick? The compensation would not be as the multiple 1st people have been speculating about for Griffin.
Imo we only [I][B]really[/B][/I] need to be ahead of 1 team and that's the Browns,(and doubt if the Browns really want to draft Griffin as much as they want someone to trade with them for Griffin).

I recall last year when everyone swore the Bills, Bengals, Cards and 49ers would take a QB in the1st and [I][B]none[/B][/I] did.
That's why I think there's a good chance Griff falls to us at 6.


Disagree about those teams taking a second look at Griff.
Imo a team that has a potential franchise QB doesn't draft another QB just because of preference.
If those teams drafted another QB (Griffin) it means their entire organization is making a paradigm shift.

The only real threats from that list are the Dolphins and the Seahawks.
And there is a good chance that the Dolphins address their QB issue through FA.
Seattle would have to sacrifice a lot to leap frog past the 6th pick.

Orton is a worse case scenario as a starter but even still he would be better then Rex.[/quote]

So, you truly believe that Bradford is a franchise QB? Ponder is a franchise QB? you believe Freeman is a franchise QB? McCoy is a franchise QB? Those QB's are as good or better then RGIII? cause if you can't say that then figure on those teams possibly taking RGIII and getting rid of what they got.... "IF" RGIII is truly a franchise QB.

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[quote=NC_Skins;883015][IMG]http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg857/scaled.php?tn=0&server=857&filename=fcajct.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640[/IMG]

I hear ya got a QB spot open.[/quote]

My Daddy said I can come play for ya'll. I wanted to go to San Diego but Daddy said that they're nothing but a bunch of tree huggin liberals.

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[quote=SmootSmack;882941]I would be totally stunned if Bradford is playing for any team other than St Louis or [B]Washington[/B][/quote]


That's what I like to hear SS.

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I honestly think RG3 will fall to us at number 6. Holmegren said he was going to get competion for mccoy, most likely from free agency. Shanahan said the same thing last season about getting competition and didnt take gabbert at 10 in the first round when had the chance, thank god. Well just have to see over the next months but i dont think the browns biggest need is qb.

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Holding out for Bradford myself.

If --big IF--Peyton plays, he could land in Zona and that might put Kolb back on the market.

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[quote=NC_Skins;883015][IMG]http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg857/scaled.php?tn=0&server=857&filename=fcajct.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640[/IMG]
[/quote]

[I]Manning:[/I] Hey coach, you got any gabapentin or pregabalin?
[I]Shanahan[/I]: [blank stare]

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[quote=SBXVII;883070] So, you truly believe that Bradford is a franchise QB? Ponder is a franchise QB? you believe Freeman is a franchise QB? McCoy is a franchise QB? .[/quote]No I don't believe Bradford,Ponder and McCoy are [I][B]currently[/B][/I] franchise QB.
But I do think they have the [I][B][U]potential[/U][/B][/I] to be franchise QBs and....
[quote=30gut;883046]Imo a team that has a [I]potential franchise[/I] QB doesn't draft another QB just because of preference.
If those teams drafted another QB (Griffin) it means their entire organization is making a paradigm shift.[/quote]
I do think that Freeman is the [B][I]Buc's[/I][/B] franchise QB though.
And like I said in my previous post the Browns (i.e. McCoy) are the one team we need to be ahead of because I think they're the least married to their current QB.
But, I still doubt they're ready to move on from him.

[quote=SBXVII;883070]Those QB's are as good or better then RGIII? cause if you can't say that then figure on those teams possibly taking RGIII and getting rid of what they got.... "IF" RGIII is truly a franchise QB[/quote]Huh?
How does one going about comparing whether NFL QBs are as good as college QB NFL [I]prospect[/I]?
What basis do you use to judge?
Do you mean to ask if I think Griffin is a better [I]prospect[/I] then some of them were? Yes.
Do I think Griffin is currently a better [I][B]NFL[/B][/I] QB? No.

You ask an unknowable question then use it as grounds to leap to an equally unknowable conclusion based on "IF" RGIII truly is franchise QB (which we can't know).

My question for you is this:
Why would a team with a [I][B]potenital[/B][/I] franchise QB get rid of their QB for another [I][B]potential[/B][/I] franchise QB?

Cheers

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[quote=12thMan;883145][B]Holding out for Bradford myself.[/B]

If --big IF--Peyton plays, he could land in Zona and that might put Kolb back on the market.[/quote]


I would like that too.

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I wonder if we rekindle our interest in Leinart as a backup guy?

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[quote=30gut;883152]No I don't believe Bradford,Ponder and McCoy are [I][B]currently[/B][/I] franchise QB.
But I do think they have the [I][B][U]potential[/U][/B][/I] to be franchise QBs and....

I do think that Freeman is the [B][I]Buc's[/I][/B] franchise QB though.
And like I said in my previous post the Browns (i.e. McCoy) are the one team we need to be ahead of because I think they're the least married to their current QB.
But, I still doubt they're ready to move on from him.

Huh?
How does one going about comparing whether NFL QBs are as good as college QB NFL [I]prospect[/I]?
What basis do you use to judge?
Do you mean to ask if I think Griffin is a better [I]prospect[/I] then some of them were? Yes.
Do I think Griffin is currently a better [I][B]NFL[/B][/I] QB? No.

You ask an unknowable question then use it as grounds to leap to an equally unknowable conclusion based on "IF" RGIII truly is franchise QB (which we can't know).

My question for you is this:
Why would a team with a [I][B]potenital[/B][/I] franchise QB get rid of their QB for another [I][B]potential[/B][/I] franchise QB?

Cheers[/quote]


The question is: do you think RGIII is better then those QB's right now? and your question is the exact question I'm trying to get you to. Why would a team trade away a franchise QB for RGIII if they already have one? they wouldn't, unless they are not franchise QB's.

So I'm "assuming" your thinking the Rams will not trade Bradford, the Vikes wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Ponder, the Bucks wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Freeman, and the Browns wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over McCoy. Right? thats essentially what your saying... those other QB's are franchise QB's and their respective teams will want them and RGIII will fall to the Redskins at #6. and all I'm saying is it aint happening. I think several fans here see RGIII as an upgrade over Bradford to include me, an upgrade over Ponder, an upgrade over Freeman easily, an upgrade over McCoy. So I'd be shocked if RGIII simply fell to #6.

Do I think those other QB's can be franchise QB's? probably if they are in the right scheme and their talents used properly along with a few yrs of developement. But in this day and age of instant gratification I see no way the 4 teams above us simply say "no, were happy with what we got and can wait for our QB to become a franchise QB if they ever do."

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Originally Posted by 12thMan
Holding out for Bradford myself.

If --big IF--Peyton plays, he could land in Zona and that might put Kolb back on the market.

just what we need another Eagle QB on the decline

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The Vikings already have Ponder and Webb, why are we talking about them taking a QB?

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[quote=tc2deuce;883171]Originally Posted by 12thMan
Holding out for Bradford myself.

If --big IF--Peyton plays, he could land in Zona and that might put[B] Kolb[/B] back on the market.

just what we need another Eagle QB on the decline[/quote]

Um, no thank you. I don't even see him as a good back up, and never did. I just don't see the Cards as big a contender as others do and really don't know why Peyton would want to go there. Besides I'd think the Cards would stick it out one more year with Kolb since they need to show they were not idiots to make the trade with the Eagles.

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[quote=SBXVII;883174]Um, no thank you. I don't even see him as a good back up, and never did. I just don't see the Cards as big a contender as others do and really don't know why Peyton would want to go there. Besides I'd think the Cards would stick it out one more year with Kolb since they need to show they were not idiots to make the trade with the Eagles.[/quote]

Using your logic if an upgrade is out there they should consider it, right?

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[quote=Mattyk;883172]The Vikings already have Ponder and Webb, why are we talking about them taking a QB?[/quote]

Um, my point was... I don't see RGIII falling to the Skins at #6 when he alluded to that. I simply was saying if your any one of those teams above us would you consider yourself set at QB and would have no interest in RGIII? because I can tell you the only team who shouldn't have any questions right now is the Colts because they still have Peyton. Presuming he's gone then even they might take RGIII over Luck we really don't know.

I personally can see all those teams thinking RGIII is an upgrade over their present QB's and "IF" he's the franchise QB half the fans here believe then common sense tells me other teams fans do also and quite possibly other teams owners and HC's. I just don't see why some of us seem to live in our own little bubbles like no one else is going to want RGIII or be interested in RGIII but us and then talk about how he's a franchise QB and he hasn't even played a down. If people can predict that he will be a franchise QB then I'm glad that the Rams, Vikes, Bucks, and Browns are not interested in him so we can atleast get our franchise QB of the future.

[QUOTE=SBXVII;883177]Um, my point was... I don't see RGIII falling to the Skins at #6 when he alluded to that. I simply was saying if your any one of those teams above us would you consider yourself set at QB and would have no interest in RGIII? because I can tell you the only team who shouldn't have any questions right now is the Colts because they still have Peyton. Presuming he's gone then even they might take RGIII over Luck we really don't know.

I personally can see all those teams thinking RGIII is an upgrade over their present QB's and "IF" he's the franchise QB half the fans here believe then common sense tells me other teams fans do also and quite possibly other teams owners and HC's. I just don't see why some of us seem to live in our own little bubbles like no one else is going to want RGIII or be interested in RGIII but us and then talk about how he's a franchise QB and he hasn't even played a down. If people can predict that he will be a franchise QB then I'm glad that the Rams, Vikes, Bucks, and Browns are not interested in him so we can atleast get our franchise QB of the future.[/QUOTE]

I think there's a decent chance of RGIII falling to #6, assuming nobody trades up. The Colts are definitely looking for a QB, and the Browns could be. The Vikings and Bucs aren't taking a QB. Neither are the Rams, unless they deal Bradford.

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[quote=Mattyk;883176]Using your logic if an upgrade is out there they should consider it, right?[/quote]

We are considering it. So yes. The only teams I can see not considering it are the Panthers since they had the #1 last year and Cinci because Dalton played rather well.

But I'm not even talking about all teams. I'm not talking about GB, or Giants, or Patriots or any of the playoff teams. I'm simply talking about the 5 teams above us in this yrs draft and only a few behind us like Miami, Seattle, and possibly Dallas.

I wouldn't be suprised if the Colts picked RGIII, nor the Rams, Vikes, Bucks, or Browns. Why? because although a couple have drafted a QB last year... no way they pass up on a top 2 QB in a draft which would be better then what they have. possibly.

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[quote=SBXVII;883170] The question is: do you think RGIII is better then those QB's right now?[/quote]
[quote=30gut;883152]Do I think Griffin is currently a better [I][B]NFL[/B][/I] QB? No.[/quote]

[quote=SBXVII;883170]Why would a team trade away a franchise QB for RGIII if they already have one? they wouldn't, unless they are not franchise QB's.[/quote]This is circular logic that I don't follow.

[quote]So I'm "assuming" your thinking the Rams will not trade Bradford, the Vikes wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Ponder, the Bucks wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Freeman, and the Browns wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over McCoy. Right?[/quote]I get the distinct feeling that in your haste to disagree with me that you aren't even reading my posts.

You have one part of your assumption correct in that I don't think the Rams,Vikes or Bucs will draft RGIII.
Whether or not they view RGIII as an upgrade isn't the question.
For one upgrade is a needlessly ambiguous term.
Teams judge QBs as prospects with grades and by tiers.
Lets say that all tier 1 QBs have franchise potential.
But even within that tier of potential franchise QBs there will be grades.
Imo a team doesn't replace a tier 1 franchise potential QB with another tier 1 potential franchise QB even if Griffin is an upgrade in terms of 'grade' as a prospect.

But I don't understand why you need to make assumptions anyway when I've stated my point very clearly and I'll restate it again here:

Imo a team that has a potential franchise QB doesn't draft another potential franchise QB just because of preference.
If those teams drafted another QB (Griffin) it means their entire organization is making a major paradigm shift in the direction of the entire team.

[quote] thats essentially what your saying... those other QB's are franchise QB's and their respective teams will want them and RGIII will fall to the Redskins at #6[/quote]Close but your missing a major distinction: i'm not making the claim that those QBs are franchise (QBs except for Freeman) only that they have the [I][B]potential[/B][/I] to be; which is the same potential that Griffin may possess.

[quote]and all I'm saying is it aint happening.[Griff falling to #6] I think several fans here see RGIII as an upgrade over Bradford to include me, an upgrade over Ponder, an upgrade over Freeman easily, an upgrade over McCoy. So I'd be shocked if RGIII simply fell to #6.[/quote]Unless you can predict the future, you meant to say you [I][B]think[/B][/I] its not gonna happen and it might not happen.
And to be clear my statement was this:
[quote=30gut;883046]Call me crazy but I think the chances of Griff being available at 6 are reasonable..........I recall last year when everyone swore the Bills, Bengals, Cards and 49ers would take a QB in the1st and [I][B]none[/B][/I] did.
That's why I think there's a good chance Griff falls to us at 6.[/quote]

[quote]Do I think those other QB's can be franchise QB's? probably if they are in the right scheme and their talents used properly along with a few yrs of developement. But in this day and age of instant gratification I see no way the 4 teams above us simply say "no, were happy with what we got and can wait for our QB to become a franchise QB if they ever do."[/quote]But why would Griffin be any different?
Griffin may become a franchise QB if he's in the right scheme and his talents are used properly along with a few years of development just as the other QBs may, in fact those QB have a year or more of development headstart on him.
I get that you like Griffin, I like Griffin too as I've said repeatedly I think he's the best QB prospect in this draft but it doesn't make him any more of lock to become a franchise QB then Bradford, Ponder, McCoy and especially Freeman who imo is already the Buc's franchise QB.

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[quote=SBXVII;883170]The question is: do you think RGIII is better then those QB's right now? and your question is the exact question I'm trying to get you to. Why would a team trade away a franchise QB for RGIII if they already have one? they wouldn't, unless they are not franchise QB's.

So I'm "assuming" your thinking the Rams will not trade Bradford, the Vikes wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Ponder, the Bucks wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over Freeman, and the Browns wouldn't see RGIII as an upgrade over McCoy. Right? thats essentially what your saying... those other QB's are franchise QB's and their respective teams will want them and RGIII will fall to the Redskins at #6. and all I'm saying is it aint happening. I think several fans here see RGIII as an upgrade over Bradford to include me, an upgrade over Ponder, an upgrade over Freeman easily, an upgrade over McCoy. So I'd be shocked if RGIII simply fell to #6.

Do I think those other QB's can be franchise QB's? probably if they are in the right scheme and their talents used properly along with a few yrs of developement. But in this day and age of instant gratification I see no way the 4 teams above us simply say "no, were happy with what we got and can wait for our QB to become a franchise QB if they ever do."[/quote]This is why the whole concept of a franchise quarterback is dumb. Winning organizations think in terms of percentages, points, and wins. They do not think in terms of franchise marketability of the quarterback position.

You always start by doing a film analysis of your own players. If you feel like the quarterback is limiting your offense, the only relative question is how many more estimated points would we be likely to score if you switch at that position.

So lets say that Robert Griffin's sack projection as a rookie on the Cleveland Browns is 7.73%. McCoy was sacked at a 6.5% (7.4% for his career) clip last year, so that's actually a downgrade. So then you need a certain number of air yard improvement from the QB position to offset the downgrade. You'd need to essentially project Robert Griffin to have Cam Newton's rookie year as a thrower. Then you have to consider what you are giving up to get Griffin. Can you get anything for McCoy in a trade?

These are important decisions that the Browns have to make, re: RG3. If they conclude that Greg Little is going to drop third down passes no matter who the quarterback is, and AYPA (air yards per attempt) is going to remain low when you have Little and Massaquoi as your receivers, then the problem you want to fix is not going to be fixed by Robert Griffin. How "franchisezy" he is will not factor into consideration.

The Redskins will have to do a similar analysis, though in their case, they know that they can't conclude that the status quo is viable. Still, Griffin is going to have a set value to the Redskins, and you can't go well over that value to acquire the player, otherwise, you're hurting your team.

I think the Redskins have reached the conclusion that Andrew Luck is really very valuable to them: he might be the difference in the careers of Leonard Hankerson, Fred Davis, Roy Helu, plus whoever else the Redskins might draft this year. I think they like Griffin a lot and would start him from day one if they can get him, but ultimately remember that the team who is going to get Robert Griffin is the team that overvalues him by the most.

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[quote=Mattyk;883179]I think there's a decent chance of RGIII falling to #6, assuming nobody trades up. The Colts are definitely looking for a QB, and the Browns could be. The Vikings and Bucs aren't taking a QB. Neither are the Rams, unless they deal Bradford.[/quote]

I think if trades were disallowed then RGIII would fall to us...I strongly believe though that someone will trade up to get RGIII. If he is available at 6 it would be a shocker right?

Tripp is right...whoever ends up with him will very very likely be overpaying.

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[quote=NC_Skins;883015][IMG]http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg857/scaled.php?tn=0&server=857&filename=fcajct.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640[/IMG]

I hear ya got a QB spot open.[/quote]


MIKE: I helped John win 2 SB's
PM: Ok u sold me, I have to tie ELI

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[url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/theismann-redskins-signing-manning-would-be-horrific-idea/]Theismann: Redskins signing Manning would be “horrific idea” | ProFootballTalk[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;883257][url=http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/07/theismann-redskins-signing-manning-would-be-horrific-idea/]Theismann: Redskins signing Manning would be “horrific idea” | ProFootballTalk[/url][/quote]

Well, that just solidifies the thought that signing Peyton Manning [U][B]is[/B][/U] the right thing to do for the Redskins! :)

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[quote=skinsguy;883293]Well, that just solidifies the thought that signing Peyton Manning [U][B]is[/B][/U] the right thing to do for the Redskins! :)[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking.

How many times have we heard Joey blow smoke up our butts over other players he thought were so great, but now he doesn't want one of the best of all time?

Sign me up for Manning.

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[quote=Mattyk;883294]Exactly what I was thinking.

How many times have we heard Joey blow smoke up our butts over other players he thought were so great, but now he doesn't want one of the best of all time?

Sign me up for Manning.[/quote]

Love Joe Theismann...if for anything, for pure entertainment value and of course being a part of the glory years with the Redskins...but yeah, he's a lame brain when it comes to evaluation of on-field talent.

I'm on the bandwagon with you, welcome Peyton Manning.

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MS: You think you can win in DC?

PM: I'm Peyton F'ing Manning, what do you think?

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[quote=Mattyk;883296]MS: You think you can win in DC?

PM: I'm Peyton F'ing Manning, what do you think?[/quote]

Speaking of this, Rich Tandler just posted this, which I completely agree with...

Rich Tandler
[B]I've said this before but if Mike/Kyle Shanahan can't figure out a way to make things work with P. Manning both should be fired now.[/B]

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[quote=Ruhskins;883302]Speaking of this, Rich Tandler just posted this, which I completely agree with...

Rich Tandler
[B]I've said this before but if Mike/Kyle Shanahan can't figure out a way to make things work with P. Manning both should be fired now.[/B][/quote]

Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.

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I've always liked the idea of at least reaching out to Manning, but I didn't really think it was a possibility. After talking to more people, I think I have to accept that it's more than just a rumor.

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[quote=Mattyk;883306]Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.[/quote]

Of course Peyton doesn't come w/the issues McNabb did, but I think the McNabb analogy is still relevant, if only because both 1) are old, 2) been only w/one team/system, and 3) the skins have a rep for such signings not working.

In addition to that, PM has health issues. I agree w/Theisman on this one, I actually think signing Peyton is a pretty big risk for Shanny even if he's declared fully healthy. If he could draft his future qb in 1st or 2nd & sign Petyon it would give him something to fall back on. I hope Smoot's info proves true & we are not interested.

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New link from Rotoworld.
Hope it already has not been posted here.......

[url=http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/17176387/tenpoint-stance-peyton-as-a-free-agent-still-wont-top-reggie-white-circus/rss]Ten-Point Stance: Peyton as a free agent still won't top Reggie circus - NFL - CBSSports.com News, Rumors, Scores, Stats, Fantasy Advice[/url]

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[quote=Mattyk;883306]Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.[/quote]

Manning is not McNabb but the situation is similar. When they got Mcnabb they seemed content with that and did nothing to secure the position long term...and then when it didn't work they tossed Rex in there. I hope they learned their lesson and think beyond just the 2012 starter...

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[quote=celts32;883314]Manning is not McNabb but the situation is similar. When they got Mcnabb they seemed content with that and did nothing to secure the position long term...and then when it didn't work they tossed Rex in there. I hope they learned their lesson and think beyond just the 2012 starter...[/quote]

Similar situation but completely different players. I would definitely hope the plan would include developing a rookie behind him.

Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)
 

What I want to know is, would Manning have the same freedom he did in Indy, if he comes here? Shanahan, from what I remember didn't give McNabb the freedom to change plays much if at all (can't remember).

I'm all for Manning assuming he's 100% or close to it because a 50% Manning is better than a 100% Grossman. Just don't want to see the guy get paralyzed on the field.

Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)
 

[quote=freddyg12;883312]Of course Peyton doesn't come w/the issues McNabb did, but I think the McNabb analogy is still relevant, if only because both 1) are old, 2) been only w/one team/system, and 3) the skins have a rep for such signings not working.

In addition to that, PM has health issues. I agree w/Theisman on this one, I actually think signing Peyton is a pretty big risk for Shanny even if he's declared fully healthy. If he could draft his future qb in 1st or 2nd & sign Petyon it would give him something to fall back on. I hope Smoot's info proves true & we are not interested.[/quote]

It's old info I had, or maybe better said wrong info. Yeah, I can admit it. I didn't think it was genuine but now that I know more information, and know who the catalyst is behind it, I can comfortably say that this isn't just a smokescreen. The interest is sincere and the feeling is mutual. I had heard that Mike Shanahan was against it, but that was (it turns out) highly exaggerated.

Will he sign here? I don't know. I still think the Jets are a very strong possibility...and Mark Sanchez to the Redskins!

But seriously, I don't know if we'll sign Manning but I've accepted that it's very possible. Actually, I love the idea of a healthy Manning. So long as we add one or two young QBs. That was always my problem with the McNabb move.

Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)
 

[quote=Mattyk;883306]Definitely agree with Tandler.

I know some people are leery of making a move like this because of what happened with McNabb, but Manning is certainly no McNabb.

Manning's work ethic and leadership are off the charts compared to McNabb, so much so it's not even worth discussing.

Plus all it would take is money to get Manning, no picks.[/quote]

I agree, there's no comparision between PM and DM. It seems to me that signing PM is pretty much risk free. Like Matty says, it's only a matter of $ and how the contract is structured. The cherry on top is that no picks need to be given away.

Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)
 

Guys, this situation is different because from the "rumors" we're hearing, it's not just going to be Peyton Manning or bust. The Redskins are going to pick up a developmental guy who will hopefully be ready to take over once Manning is done. Let's say best case scenario (yes I know "Realistic" Redskins fans don't like to think in best case scenario) is that Manning can last another 4 years. That's 4 years that a guy like Tannehill/Foles/Cousins can learn the entire process and be ready to play. Even if it's just a couple of seasons, a guy like Ryan Tannehill could probably be ready to come in and lead this team.

Yes, I understand the McNabb comparison. The truth is, McNabb under performed and the rest of the team (especially defense) was going through a major transition, so it wasn't a good situation all around. However, this time, the defense is more solid, the offensive line has improved (even though there is still a lot of room for improvement) and there is a lot of youth at wide receiver and running back to help Manning out. This is a much different situation than it is with McNabb. I will also say if the Shanahans can't be successful with Manning, yes, they should be fired. Yes, I know it's a gamble, but the Redskins have to have a proven leader. And I've said it before, a 70% Peyton Manning is better than most 100% NFL starting quarterbacks.

Re: I See QB Rumors (2012 QB Thread: The Sixth Sense)
 

[quote=DC Tailgate;883319]What I want to know is, would Manning have the same freedom he did in Indy, if he comes here? Shanahan, from what I remember didn't give McNabb the freedom to change plays much if at all (can't remember).

I'm all for Manning assuming he's 100% or close to it because a 50% Manning is better than a 100% Grossman. Just don't want to see the guy get paralyzed on the field.[/quote]

I really don't think MS is that dumb to handcuff a guy like Manning.