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celts32 03-15-2012 04:45 PM

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[quote=SmootSmack;899546]Maybe it's time for me to admit defeat...Royal's apparently all but signed in San Diego[/quote]

Oh well...he could have replaced Moss & Banks. Disappointed we didn't get him on one hand but I was also one of the guys who wanted to see what some of our current young WR's could do with improved QB play. Want to see Hank, Paul & Robinson get a shot for playing time.

Ruhskins 03-15-2012 04:47 PM

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I'm okay if we don't sign Royal. I just hope Shanny doesn't go on a WR spree again like last season.

skinsguy 03-15-2012 04:51 PM

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While I'm a bit disappointed we are probably not getting Royal...I do think we need to focus that portion of the salary cap toward other needs. Garcon and Morgan are good additions. Hopefully Hankerson develops further this season.

GTripp0012 03-15-2012 04:52 PM

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[quote=GTripp0012;899591]The actual big deal is that Moss isn't going to make the team, which is the admission the Redskins made with Royal.

As far as getting outbid on Royal...thank god we did. One of the worst regular offensive players in football the last three years. Better options out there with Steve Smith, Jairus Wright, Eric Page, or even Moss.[/quote]Steve Smith physical with the Rams.

Lotus 03-15-2012 04:54 PM

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[quote=Ruhskins;899620]I'm okay if we don't sign Royal. I just hope Shanny doesn't go on a WR spree again like last season.[/quote]

My guess is no. IMO last year was a desperate attempt to stock up on bodies to find a diamond in the rough. This year seems like, "F that, let's get a few of proven quality."

T.O.Killa 03-15-2012 04:55 PM

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The Chargers have gave Royal a physical. I just cant imagine them giving him more than 6 million a year, to be there returner and 4th reciever. Crazy.

mbedner3420 03-15-2012 04:58 PM

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[quote=T.O.Killa;899628]The Chargers have gave Royal a physical. I just cant imagine them giving him more than 6 million a year, to be there returner and 4th reciever. Crazy.[/quote]

What is the Chargers cap situation like this year?

12thMan 03-15-2012 05:12 PM

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Yeah, I think Morgan, Garcon, and Royal are all similar enough and statistically close enough that it's not a big loss. Might not be a loss at all.

Would be nice if there's another Victor Cruz out there this year.

exit0 03-15-2012 05:52 PM

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It would be nice to have Royal to return punts and let Banks go.

GTripp0012 03-15-2012 05:52 PM

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This is a really good article. The Redskins are very much not alone in their desperation to improve as quickly as possible:

[url=http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/20665/free-agency-day-2-catch-me-if-you-can]Free Agency Day 2: Catch Me If You Can - The Triangle Blog - Grantland[/url]

[QUOTE]First, as you might suspect, most teams don't spend a significant amount of money to acquire a new free agent at a given position unless they were specifically subpar last season in that area. You might get the occasional exception, but the Bills aren't targeting Mario Williams because they have a dominant pass rush, and nobody with a franchise quarterback is going after Peyton Manning. The only situation in which it really makes sense to acquire a veteran player in the hyperinflated world of free agency is when you're desperate. So that argument seems superfluous.

The bigger problem is the idea that upgrading at that position, or in that facet of the game, requires a team to throw money at acquiring a talented player, even if it means that the team overspends in the process. Teams approach the problem of having below-average output at a position by saying, "We need to upgrade to something better here, even if it costs us too much." Instead, they should approach it from the equally compelling, alternative viewpoint of, "We're already so bad here that we can't be much worse next season, so upgrading to a superior player is incredibly easy!" Rather than seeing the free-agent pool as being full of players who would provide superior production to the guys on your roster, bad organizations insist on picking one player from that pool and spending more money than they should to obtain an upgrade they can get from just about anyone.

Jacksonville's signing of Robinson to a five-year, $32.5 million deal on Wednesday is a perfect example of this sort of dysfunctional thinking. It's important to take a look back at Robinson's career to put the logic related to signing him into its proper context and understand why this is a foolish move. Before the lockout, Robinson had basically been a middling receiver for the Falcons and Rams, while struggling to stay healthy; nothing about his performance record suggested that he was about to have a breakout season, which is why the Rams chose not to re-sign him heading into the lockout. After he sat on the sidelines for a week, San Diego nabbed him on a one-year deal for close to the veteran's minimum, $685,000, but he failed to make the roster and the Chargers cut him on September 3. Again, he returned to the waiver wire and sat there for days without any nibbles. A wideout-needy team like the Jaguars could have brought him in for a tryout, but they weren't interested enough to do so. Four days later, he signed with the Cowboys, who released him after a week. Again, the Jags could have trusted their eyes and brought him in. They chose not to. Dallas brought him back onto the roster a week later when Miles Austin injured his hamstring, and Robinson responded with 11 receiving touchdowns in 14 games.[/QUOTE]

CapitalDefense 03-15-2012 06:35 PM

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No Royal means we keep Moss and use him exclusively in the slot, not bad if you ask me.

The Goat 03-15-2012 06:46 PM

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[quote=CapitalDefense;899679]No Royal means we keep Moss and use him exclusively in the slot, not bad if you ask me.[/quote]

Depends on Moss' effort.

budw38 03-15-2012 07:06 PM

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I just hope all the $$$ they are paying theses wr's , doesn't keep us from signing OL , and Defensive players over the next few years .

T.O.Killa 03-15-2012 09:21 PM

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Eddie signed with the chargers

diehardskin2982 03-15-2012 09:26 PM

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I wonder if the 3rd year made the deal for Eddie.

I think that Moss, AA or Ryan Broyles can fill that roll

vallin21 03-15-2012 09:29 PM

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Still need a #3... Mario Mannigham's still available; I'm sure he'd love to play the Giants twice a yr

mbedner3420 03-15-2012 09:30 PM

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[quote=vallin21;899752]Still need a #3... Mario Mannigham's still available; I'm sure he'd love to play the Giants twice a yr[/quote]

I'd honestly like that signing.

SFREDSKIN 03-15-2012 09:33 PM

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[quote=CapitalDefense;899679]No Royal means we keep Moss and use him exclusively in the slot, not bad if you ask me.[/quote]

Agreed, we don't need to go spending unnecessary money. Spend it on an OL and Fletcher. This team has enough talent at WR now.

los panda 03-15-2012 09:41 PM

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moss has a solid build for a little guy. he should do fine in the slot/over the middle. i really hope this means he can go full time at punt returner. he makes good decisions and has the quickness to make good returns. he's still exciting to watch

SFREDSKIN 03-15-2012 10:25 PM

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[quote=los panda;899766]moss has a solid build for a little guy. he should do fine in the slot/over the middle. i really hope this means he can go full time at punt returner. he makes good decisions and has the quickness to make good returns. he's still exciting to watch[/quote]

After Garcon and Morgan got picked up, I would get rid of Armstrong, try to trade Gaffney and cut Austin. Leaving the WR corps as:

Garcon
Morgan
Moss
Hankerson
Paul
Robinson/Banks (whoever has the better pre-season)

los panda 03-15-2012 10:33 PM

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[quote=SFREDSKIN;899794]After Garcon and Morgan got picked up, I would get rid of Armstrong, try to trade Gaffney and cut Austin. Leaving the WR corps as:

Garcon
Morgan
Moss
Hankerson
Paul
Robinson/Banks (whoever has the better pre-season)[/quote]i would prefer keeping gaffney, no robinson, no banks

celts32 03-15-2012 10:38 PM

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[quote=CapitalDefense;899679]No Royal means we keep Moss and use him exclusively in the slot, not bad if you ask me.[/quote]

Getting rid of Moss is a big part of why I wanted Royal. Don't hate Moss but its time to move on...

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-15-2012 10:40 PM

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Garcon/Hank/Morgan/Moss/Paul/Gaffney is my guess right now unless we draft a WR which I doubt.

NYCskinfan82 03-15-2012 10:42 PM

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[quote=EARTHQUAKE2689;899802]Garcon/Hank/Morgan/Moss/Paul/Gaffney is my guess right now unless we draft a WR which I doubt.[/quote]

Training Camp will be very interesting this year.

diehardskin2982 03-15-2012 10:43 PM

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Can Anthony Armstrong play slot?

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-15-2012 10:47 PM

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^ He can but I'd rather he didn't.

44Deezel 03-15-2012 10:49 PM

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[quote=celts32;899801]Getting rid of Moss is a big part of why I wanted Royal. Don't hate Moss but its time to move on...[/quote]

They tried and it didnt work. Royal would have been a slight improvement at best. If he's healthy, Moss is a fine option in the slot and can still be productive for another year or two. Not the end of the world. They'll win the same number of games with or without Royal next year. He was just a better long term option.

44Deezel 03-15-2012 10:58 PM

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[quote=celts32;899618]Oh well...he could have replaced Moss & Banks. Disappointed we didn't get him on one hand but I was also one of the guys who wanted to see what some of our current young WR's could do with improved QB play. Want to see Hank, Paul & Robinson get a shot for playing time.[/quote]

Agreed. WRs are notorious for breaking out in their 2nd or 3rd years. Every year someone busts onto the scene. No reason one of those guys couldn't turn out to be very productive.

CultBrennan59 03-15-2012 10:58 PM

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Ryan Broyles can play slot. Skins need this guy. Danny Coal is another great slot WR.

Guys FA just started 2 days ago and now you all are wanting this WR and that WR to play slot for us. Our slot WR doesn't look like he's on our roster. And he sure isn't out there in FA nor should we go that route. DRAFT! Get him in the draft!

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-15-2012 11:07 PM

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I see Hank being that breakout guy this year. I said 75 receptions 1,100 yards 8 TDs. I'm sticking by that.

skinsfaninok 03-15-2012 11:10 PM

[QUOTE=EARTHQUAKE2689;899815]I see Hank being that breakout guy this year. I said 75 receptions 1,100 yards 8 TDs. I'm sticking by that.[/QUOTE]

I say Garcon catches 80 for 1100 yds and 7 TDs. But I do think hank will be a factor in a big way

mbedner3420 03-15-2012 11:12 PM

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 
[quote=skinsfaninok;899833]I say Garcon catches 80 for 1100 yds and 7 TDs. But I do think hank will be a factor in a big way[/quote]

Either garçon or hankerson break the 1k mark for sure.

MTK 03-15-2012 11:21 PM

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Not sure it's a necessity to draft a guy for the slot. Moss is probably a cap cut, but what about Robinson or Austin?

CultBrennan59 03-15-2012 11:29 PM

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btw for those wondering Eddie Royals contract may disgust some...

3 years $13+ million, $6 million guaranteed...Supposedly we offered him a 2 year $12 million deal...

MTK 03-15-2012 11:31 PM

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Oh well.

CultBrennan59 03-15-2012 11:39 PM

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For those looking for a good Slot WR to develop in the draft..
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1023582-2012-nfl-mock-draft-projecting-the-best-slot-wide-receiver-prospects]2012 NFL Mock Draft: Projecting the Best Slot Wide Receiver Prospects | Bleacher Report[/url]

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-15-2012 11:42 PM

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[QUOTE=skinsfaninok;899833]I say Garcon catches 80 for 1100 yds and 7 TDs. But I do think hank will be a factor in a big way[/QUOTE]



I'd be fine with either, hell why not both? That would be nice.

EARTHQUAKE2689 03-15-2012 11:46 PM

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With Garcon/Hank/Morgan on the field someone has to play slot. We don't NEED to draft a WR but a 4th or 5th couldn't hurt.

Lotus 03-15-2012 11:56 PM

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[quote=CultBrennan59;899850]btw for those wondering Eddie Royals contract may disgust some...

3 years $13+ million, $6 million guaranteed...[B]Supposedly we offered him a 2 year $12 million deal[/B]...[/quote]

Given that Morgan got that deal, I've wondered whether the media did not get confused on the offer. Then the mistake got repeated again and again as sometimes happens.

tryfuhl 03-16-2012 12:06 AM

Re: Redskins Add WRs Pierre Garcon and Joshua Morgan
 
[quote=CultBrennan59;899850]btw for those wondering Eddie Royals contract may disgust some...

3 years $13+ million, $6 million guaranteed...Supposedly we offered him a 2 year $12 million deal...[/quote]

Whatever


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