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[quote=Mattyk;932206]Still don't understand applauding anything about what he said.

So while he's an idiot, at least he's consistent with his idiocy?

Ok[/quote]

One would think "don't be an idiot" is preferable to "being a consistent idiot." People like this should be chastised and chased out from positions of responsibility not applaud.


...but yes, I don't get it either.

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And I strongly believe it is MORE stupid for people to have illogical views. To me that shows far more stupidity than simply saying something stupid (which can be subject to simple misspeak or misunderstanding) or taking an unpopular position. If one cannot see the logical inconsistency in being pro-life but only in certain cases then that shows a distinct lack of intelligence in my opinion.

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I would like him to explain what he was TRYING to say with the term "legitimate rape". I mean he's gonna lose now so he might as well try and explain it. What does he have to lose?

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[quote=FRPLG;932214]I would like him to explain what he was TRYING to say with the term "legitimate rape". I mean he's gonna lose now so he might as well try and explain it. What does he have to lose?[/quote]

**** that. I want to know which doctors told him that a woman's body shuts itself down during a rape which leads to less pregnancies. THAT is what the hell I want to know so we can round them up and discredit those asshats.

Mind you, this is the guy on a science committee saying this garbage.

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[quote=NC_Skins;932193]Flip: Kudos to Romney condemning the stupidity

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/romney-calls-akin-rape-insulting-inexcusable-142622223.html"]Romney calls Akin’s rape comment ‘insulting’ and ‘inexcusable’ | The Ticket - Yahoo! News[/URL]



Flop: Boo to Romney for being "delighted" to support abortion (even for rape) back in 2007.

[URL="http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mitt-romney-said-in-2007-he-would-be-delighted-t"]Mitt Romney Said In 2007 He Would Be "Delighted" To Sign A Bill Banning All Abortions Nationally[/URL]


You can't have the Flip with Romney, without having the Flop to go along. He doesn't just stand for anything, he stands for nothing....lol[/quote]

He said he would be willing to sign a bill turning it back over to the states. You need to listen to your own links.

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[quote=FRPLG;932212]And I strongly believe it is MORE stupid for people to have illogical views. To me that shows far more stupidity than simply saying something stupid (which can be subject to simple misspeak or misunderstanding) or taking an unpopular position. If one cannot see the logical inconsistency in being pro-life but only in certain cases then that shows a distinct lack of intelligence in my opinion.[/quote]

I don't have an issue with people being consistent. I too would like him to explain what the heck he was saying though this guy doesn't give me any hope with the inflammatory and off-the-wall crap he has said in the past:

[quote]Anybody who knows something about the history of the human race knows that there is no civilization which has condoned homosexual marriage widely and openly that has long survived. [Yes, homosexuality destroys civilizations] [/quote]

[quote]I think NBC has a long record of being very liberal and at the heart of liberalism really is a hatred for God and a belief that government should replace God. [Yes, if Jesus himself was here I am more apt to kill him than love him][/quote]


As far as consistency goes, being thoughtful and consistent is admirable, consistently saying off-the-wall crap, not so much. That is to say, wisdom is a prerequisite for admirability.

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[quote=NC_Skins;932221]**** that. I want to know which doctors told him that a woman's body shuts itself down during a rape which leads to less pregnancies. THAT is what the hell I want to know so we can round them up and discredit those asshats.

Mind you, this is the guy on a science committee saying this garbage.[/quote]

I agree there. I know there is a not-so-small current of ignorance on this in society but among Drs one would think they'd be pretty up on the occurrence rates on rape-pregnancy. My guess is he, like others, heard this from someone at some point and it had become ingrained in his psyche since he was so predisposed to believe it.

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[quote=saden1;932227]As far as consistency goes, being thoughtful and consistent is admirable, consistently saying off-the-wall crap, not so much. That is to say, wisdom is a prerequisite for admirability.[/quote]

Well said.

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[quote=FRPLG;932229]I agree there. I know there is a not-so-small current of ignorance on this in society but among Drs one would think they'd be pretty up on the occurrence rates on rape-pregnancy. My guess is he, like others, heard this from someone at some point and it had become ingrained in his psyche since he was so predisposed to believe it.[/quote]

[url=http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/08/how-often-does-rape-lead-to-pregnancy/261307/]How Often Does Rape Lead to Pregnancy? - James Hamblin - The Atlantic[/url]

But maybe Akin read this

[url=http://www.christianliferesources.com/article/rape-pregnancies-are-rare-461]Christian Life Resources[/url]

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[quote=NC_Skins;932186][url=http://www.politicususa.com/virginia-republicans-call-armed-revolution-obama-wins-november.html]Virginia Republicans Call for Armed Revolution if Obama Wins in November[/url]

Boys, git yer guns and torches ready![/quote]Do you even read the links you post? For someone "down the middle", this is complete BS. At the top of the website it's tagline is "Real Liberal Politics....". The link mentions several times "Virginia Republican Committee", implying this is a statewide organization.....complete crap. This is the "Greene County" Republican newsletter which is so far out in the sitcks in VA, I've never heard of it. Their vote totals for GOP primary were under 1000.

Your credibility meter is below Empty.

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[quote=saden1;932190]MO Senate race went from a GOP slam dunk to a hail merry pass. I can't wait for the polls.[/quote]The only hope for the GOP is for this fool to withdraw and have a replacement named by 5pm tomorrow.

This moron was on Hannity this afternoon. Hannity threw this guy several life-preservers and he still couldn't muster a rational thought or defense of what he said (not that there is any). Then this clown starts to tell Hannity he's staying in the race.....Hannity essentially told him he could cost the GOP the Senate seat and possibly lose MO for Romney if he stays in. He backed off a little and I suspect before tomorrow at 5pm he'll bow out.

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[quote=FRPLG;932199]Whatever guys.. don't bother trying to understand what he actually meant nor what I was trying to say. Ignorant position or not at least he doesn't roll with the standard logical inconsistency most pro-lifers do about rape/incest. Better put: his position may be wrong but at least it is consistently wrong. [B][I]The lack of logical consistency within the articulated positions of our esteemed politicians is a distinct blight on our system. Across the political board[/I][/B].[/quote]I get where you're coming from.

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;932233]Do you even read the links you post? For someone "down the middle", this is complete BS. At the top of the website it's tagline is "Real Liberal Politics....". [U]The link mentions several times "Virginia Republican Committee", implying this is a statewide organization.[/U]....complete crap. This is the "Greene County" Republican newsletter which is so far out in the sitcks in VA, I've never heard of it. Their vote totals for GOP primary were under 1000.

Your credibility meter is below Empty.[/quote]



:laughing-



Dude, you blow anything I say out of proportion and infer things that aren't there. Is that how you normally encounter people? I posted the link to this article, and I made a back woods hick comment. I said nothing in regards to the article. I just felt it was amusing.


edit: I don't think they imply this is statewide in the slightest. They clearly state the Virginia Republican Committee is a newsletter and even mention it SEVERAL times. Question is, did YOU read it...lol


[quote] but a Virginia Republican Committee newsletter[/quote]

[quote]In the Virginia Republican Committee newsletter, there is nothing[/quote]

[quote]According to the newsletter, President Obama[/quote]

[quote]and after the Virginia Republican Committee newsletter,[/quote]

[quote]The Virginia Republican Committee newsletter was published in March[/quote]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;932234]The only hope for the GOP is for this fool to withdraw and have a replacement named by 5pm tomorrow.

This moron was on Hannity this afternoon. Hannity threw this guy several life-preservers and he still couldn't muster a rational thought or defense of what he said (not that there is any). Then this clown starts to tell Hannity he's staying in the race.....Hannity essentially told him he could cost the GOP the Senate seat and possibly lose MO for Romney if he stays in. He backed off a little and I suspect before tomorrow at 5pm he'll bow out.[/quote]

This guy just might be stupid enough to stay in the race and it looks like the moneyman, Karl Rove, has [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/crossroads-pulls-out-of-missouri-after-akin-comments-132572.html"]pulled[/URL] all resource from MO race. It's looking pretty ugly right now and the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/romney-reportedly-urges-akin-to-reconsider-132601.html"]sharks[/URL] are circling, as they should. Nibble nibble.

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[quote=saden1;932251]This guy just might be stupid enough to stay in the race and it looks like the moneyman, Karl Rove, has [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/crossroads-pulls-out-of-missouri-after-akin-comments-132572.html"]pulled[/URL] all resource from MO race. It's looking pretty ugly right now and the [URL="http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/08/romney-reportedly-urges-akin-to-reconsider-132601.html"]sharks[/URL] are circling, as they should. Nibble nibble.[/quote]If this [EMAIL="jack@ss"]jack@ss[/EMAIL] stays in, Romney loses MO, and the election, this guy better hope I never run into him. I'll be sure to take at least $200 out of his hind-quarters.

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[quote=FRPLG;932229]I agree there. I know there is a not-so-small current of ignorance on this in society but among Drs one would think they'd be pretty up on the occurrence rates on rape-pregnancy. My guess is he, like others, heard this from someone at some point and it had become ingrained in his psyche since he was so predisposed to believe it.[/quote]

I think I've found the source of these doctors he heard from.



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I don't think this Akin dust-up will cost Romney MO or the election, necessarily. I'm not saying that it won't, just not convinced that it will. #brevity

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Akin is a prime example it's so hard to be a Liberterian supporting the GOP. They just continue to **** up royally on social issues. Focus on the economy you idiots and leave everything else alone.

Though it's not like some good isn't coming out of this as it seems to be softening the pro-life stance of a lot of conservatives.

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The problem isn't Akin, it's the entire Republican party. They pushed through 100s of abortion bills. They couldn't care less about the economy and that's the truth. Just look at all the bills they've sponsored.

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[quote=12thMan;932272]The problem isn't Akin, it's the entire Republican party. They pushed through 100s of abortion bills. They couldn't care less about the economy and that's the truth. Just look at all the bills they've sponsored.[/quote]

Ironically enough I kind of agree with you. I guess right now I'm hoping that they've talked about controlling and reducing spending so much that theres no way they can get elected and not follow through with it unless their goal is to commit political suicide. Though this issue brings to light a very simple statement in regards to the GOP as best described by John McCain's daughter.

[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2009/05/07/the-gop-is-clueless-about-sex.html]The GOP Doesn't Understand Sex - The Daily Beast[/url]

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:laughing2

[url=http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-misspokewhat-i-meant-to-say-is-i-am-dumb-as-dog,29256/]I Misspoke—What I Meant To Say Is 'I Am Dumb As Dog Shit And I Am A Terrible Human Being' | The Onion - America's Finest News Source[/url]

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[quote=Slingin Sammy 33;932255]If this [EMAIL="jack@ss"]jack@ss[/EMAIL] stays in, Romney loses MO, and the election, this guy better hope I never run into him. I'll be sure to take at least $200 out of his hind-quarters.[/quote]

MO isn't a tipping point state therefore its loss is statistically minuscule relative to losing OH or VA. Losing MO does however make it virtually impossible for Romney to get to 272 without major upsets in states like PA (republicans have pulled all their money and resource from the state some time ago), NV, WI, MI, and NH.


Simply put, baring a mega Obama disaster you are on the hook for 127 quids. PAY ME!

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[quote=12thMan;932272]The problem isn't Akin, it's the entire Republican party. They pushed through 100s of abortion bills. They couldn't care less about the economy and that's the truth. Just look at all the bills they've sponsored.[/quote]

I won't say all, but it's a rather large amount of them that are doing it. You'll find it interesting on two particular people who sponsored a bill last year that would have redefined rape.

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[url=http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-missouri-rep-todd-akin-says-he-misspoke-on-rape-and-pregnancy-20120819,0,512566.story]Missouri Rep. Todd Akin says he 'misspoke' on rape and pregnancy - latimes.com[/url]

[quote]“Akin previously was the co-sponsor of a bill to redefine rape,” McCaskill said. “And it was recently reported that Akin opposed a state law against spousal rape because it might be used as a tool against husbands in a ‘messy divorce.’ ”

The “redefinition” of rape was contained in a federal bill co-sponsored by Akin in 2011 that would have redefined the conditions under which federal funds may be used to pay for abortion.

Currently, federal money may be used in cases of incest, rape or if the mother’s life is in danger. The “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortions Act” was co-sponsored by more than 200 Republicans, including Mitt Romney’s running mate, Rep. Paul D. Ryan. It would have changed the word “rape” to “forcible rape,” which abortion rights supporters feared would rule out paying for abortions in cases of statutory rape or when a victim is drugged or verbally coerced.

The bill passed with overwhelming Republican support in the House but failed in the Democratic-controlled Senate.[/quote]


[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/31/AR2011013105755.html]Legislative proposal puts abortion rights supporters on alert[/url]

[quote]In a sign of the potential confusion that could arise, one senior GOP aide said the wording was meant to prevent coverage for minors who engage in consensual sex that results in pregnancy. In some states, consensual sex involving minors is considered statutory rape.[/quote]


[url=http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/19/712251/how-todd-akin-and-paul-ryan-partnered-to-redefine-rape/]How Todd Akin And Paul Ryan Partnered To Redefine Rape | ThinkProgress[/url]

[url=http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/31/gop-abortion-bill-redefines-rape.html]GOP Abortion Bill Redefines Rape - The Daily Beast[/url]

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It still blows my mind how a religious nutbag like this ended up on a science committee. My guess is so he can squash any science related funding that would somehow prove his precious religion wrong.

[url=http://news.yahoo.com/rape-trauma-barrier-pregnancy-no-scientific-basis-235231028.html]Rape trauma as barrier to pregnancy has no scientific basis - Yahoo! News[/url]





Amazing how one stupid set of sentences can ruin your entire career. Good. I'm glad and we really don't need guys like this governing our nation in any capacity.

[url=http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/20/politics/campaign-wrap/index.html?hpt=hp_t2]Akin bows out of CNN appearance at the last minute - CNN.com[/url]

Now that his ass is being fried, I love how he's retracting all these words. He isn't sorry. He firmly believes the crap he said on Hannity's show as evident by the legislation he's tried to pass.


[url=http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/20/first-on-cnn-gop-prepares-tough-anti-abortion-platform/?hpt=hp_t2]First on CNN: GOP prepares tough anti-abortion platform – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs[/url]

[quote]And Ryan, his vice presidential pick, has opposed exceptions for rape and voted alongside Akin in the House, though Ryan now says he defers to Romney's position on the matter.[/quote]


Not sure why Ryan is condemning Alkin as he is good buddies with him on the abortion stance and feels that women that have been raped shouldn't be allowed abortions either.

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NC its funny you tried for some time here to claim you were not a liberal. Your about as far left as they come.

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[quote=12thMan;931922]It's not the patients that have benefits cut, it's the providers. [/quote]This is more info on my point about Medicare cutting "benefits". This study shows increased mortality rates due to Medicare cuts that happened in the mid 90s. The cuts then were $ 40B over 4 yrs. I believe. Pretty dry read tho.

[URL]http://papers.nber.org/tmp/73509-w16859.pdf[/URL]

Another good article (albeit by a guy on the right) on the differences in Medicare plans.

[url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/13/yes-obamacare-cuts-medicare-more-than-president-romney-would/]Yes, Obamacare Cuts Medicare More Than President Romney Would - Forbes[/url]

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[quote=firstdown;932419]NC its funny you tried for some time here to claim you were not a liberal. Your about as far left as they come.[/quote]


Yet I believe in the death penalty. Huge 2nd amendment proponent, and feel we should seriously do something with immigration. Huge civil liberties proponent.

Apparently you just ignore all the other issues I"m conservative on. Far left is about as off-base as most of your comments. I lean left on issues, and right on other issues. Just visit the gun control thread to see that.

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I'm convinced NC is an anarchist at heart. As such, he gets a little from column A (opinions of "liberals" within the liberal democratic political system), a little from column B (opinions of "conservatives" within the liberal democratic political system) and a whole lot from Bakunin.

IMHO - the terms "left" and "right" are becoming more and more archaic with the polarization of opinions and the erosion of the 18th century liberal democratic system established by the founders.

Even as recently as forty years ago, both left and right bought into the ideal of classic liberal democracy and the then existing political system as a means of reaching a solution to differences. Libertarianism, anarchism, communism and similar philosophies were considered fringe and incompatible with such a system.

Now, as our govt. gets larger, more intrusive and less responsive, frustration over the amount of corporate money and all things Washington is leading people to re-explore and buy into these once fringe political philosophies that de-emphasize the societal nature of civilization and play upon utopian desires.

All of this is just my musings on Tuesday morning. I have proof and/or links for none of it. Sorry for the digression.

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[quote=firstdown;932419]NC its funny you tried for some time here to claim you were not a liberal. Your about as far left as they come.[/quote]

What?

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[quote=NC_Skins;932436]Yet I believe in the death penalty. Huge 2nd amendment proponent, and feel we should seriously do something with immigration. Huge civil liberties proponent.

Apparently you just ignore all the other issues I"m conservative on. Far left is about as off-base as most of your comments. I lean left on issues, and right on other issues. Just visit the gun control thread to see that.[/quote]

No no no you don't understand. Haven't you figured out that in politics there are only two teams. Team elephant and team donkey. You can't have varied nuanced and philosophically based opinions that cross the political spectrum. Its always us versus them.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;932464]I'm convinced NC is an anarchist at heart. As such, he gets a little from column A (opinions of "liberals" within the liberal democratic political system), a little from column B (opinions of "conservatives" within the liberal democratic political system) and a whole lot from Bakunin.

IMHO - the terms "left" and "right" are becoming more and more archaic with the polarization of opinions and the erosion of the 18th century liberal democratic system established by the founders.

Even as recently as forty years ago, both left and right bought into the ideal of classic liberal democracy and the then existing political system as a means of reaching a solution to differences. Libertarianism, anarchism, communism and similar philosophies were considered fringe and incompatible with such a system.

Now, as our govt. gets larger, more intrusive and less responsive, frustration over the amount of corporate money and all things Washington is leading people to re-explore and buy into these once fringe political philosophies that de-emphasize the societal nature of civilization and play upon utopian desires.

All of this is just my musings on Tuesday morning. I have proof and/or links for none of it. Sorry for the digression.[/quote]

The two party system simply no longer suits us. Maybe it never did.

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[quote=FRPLG;932516]The two party system simply no longer suits us. Maybe it never did.[/quote]

Pretty much explains how I feel about our system, and its why I will be voting for her come November. Don't tell the Elephant crew running around here though, would shatter their thoughts of me being the liberal Obama supporter.

[YT]B3SfivTK8m4[/YT]

I think you should all listen to this woman. She has more knowledge and direction for this country than any politician out there.

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love me some sin button

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Fit in a box, NC! One or the other, you can't have any other choices!

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[quote=NC_Skins;932539]Pretty much explains how I feel about our system, and its why I will be voting for her come November. Don't tell the Elephant crew running around here though, would shatter their thoughts of me being the liberal Obama supporter.

[YT]B3SfivTK8m4[/YT]

I think you should all listen to this woman. She has more knowledge and direction for this country than any politician out there.[/quote]

Just because I have called you liberal does not mean your a dem. The green party is liberal or progressive how ever you want to call it. I give you credit for voting for who you most support. She says the war put us in dept but if you take all her programs we would be in even more dept.

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:laughing2



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This is applicable during any Presidential term.

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[quote=FRPLG;932514]No no no you don't understand. Haven't you figured out that in politics there are only two teams. Team elephant and team donkey. You can't have varied nuanced and philosophically based opinions that cross the political spectrum. Its always us versus them.[/quote]

I don't care what they say. Team Liger till the day I die.

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More often or not, I'm generally bashing the GOP side of it and it normally is for a good reason. It's because many of these loons simply give me (and others) the ammunition to do so. Corruption I recognize as being rampant among a majority of the politicians on both sides. Stupidity though, seems to consistently come from the right side of things and it generally involves religion.


If what Atkin said the other day didn't do it, check what this high ranking Republican official in MO had to say.

[url=http://www.examiner.com/article/gop-official-says-god-chooses-to-bless-raped-women-with-pregnancy]GOP official says God chooses to bless raped women with pregnancy - Detroit liberal | Examiner.com[/url]
[quote]Barnes was quoted by The New York Times saying, "abortion is never an option." Barnes went on to biblically claim that, "If God has chosen to bless this person [the rape victim] with a life, you don’t kill it." [/quote]


At what point do we start considering these people as mentally ill? What is the difference between nutjobs like this, and guys who take poison to ride off into a comet's trail?

I find it ironic that these same type of "republicans" chirping about how great democracy is, yet really are trying to institute a theocracy with their beliefs governing over people.

Before you get offended, I realize that not all conservatives and religious people are like this woman, but when you have the vast majority of the GOP proposing legislation that backs up what these nutjobs think, it says a lot about the people they represent.

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It's truly [URL="http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/08/20/exp-point-obrien-odonnell.cnn"]comic relief season[/URL]. Get yourself edumacated folks :doh:

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[quote=saden1;932759]It's truly [URL="http://cnn.com/video/?/video/bestoftv/2012/08/20/exp-point-obrien-odonnell.cnn"]comic relief season[/URL]. Get yourself edumacated folks :doh:[/quote]

I hate you for subjecting me to that woman. DAMN YOU SADEN!! DAMN YOU TO HELL!