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[quote=SmootSmack;1002390]Back. And potentially out into 2014

And our first two picks won't be DBs.[/quote]

That seems like a terrible mistake... Arguably, any team should draft for talent and not position, but as our holes begin to close, it makes sense to try and draft for position.

I would hope that we go DB first, or if nothing else, OT... Either way, the secondary needs to be addressed in a big way early in the draft.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1002390]Back. And potentially out into 2014[/quote]

I'm sure it ventures into crystal ball territory but how far out can the scouts project the potential of a player? Would it be too much of a stretch to say that Skins scouts are already targeting 2014 players?

I'd love to see us gather picks for 2014 when we can afford to bolster the roster and bet set for 5-10 years.

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I think the fans are probably way more concerned about the secondary than the front office is. And I don't think they are going into the draft thinking it's do or die to find a starter in the secondary. BPA is always the best approach. Drafting for need more often than not results in reaching.

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[quote=Mattyk;1002400]I think the fans are probably way more concerned about the secondary than the front office is. And I don't think they are going into the draft thinking it's do or die to find a starter in the secondary. BPA is always the best approach. Drafting for need more often than not results in reaching.[/quote]

Completely agree, and honestly almost every position on the Redskins could use improvement except QB, even the OLB's could use an added playmaker. There is no reason to only be concerned about the secondary when there might be better players available. Stick with the plan.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1002398]I'm sure it ventures into crystal ball territory but how far out can the scouts project the potential of a player? Would it be too much of a stretch to say that Skins scouts are already targeting 2014 players?

I'd love to see us gather picks for 2014 when we can afford to bolster the roster and bet set for 5-10 years.[/quote]

Seeing as how ESPN/NFL network guys already scout players from 2014, I am sure team scouts are doing that as well, they just aren't as in depth as they can be because they are not supposed to be able to contact the players or do as much research as they are able to do for players that have declared for the draft.

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I'd be happy if we traded for a first in 2014. Not having a first round pick two years in a row is not helpful for adding top young talent which makes a quick impact.

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IMO are FO is probably thinking if we had more pressure up front are Secondary would of looked better. They will address the secondary but not as much as we think/wish.

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It'd be nice to get someone from my alma mater in the 3rd or 4th round.
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um I mean someone from my alma matter, the one where I graduated summa cum laude.
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The more I watch Baccari Rambo, the more I want him. I know 'scouts' have said he's a 3rd rounder, but I like him so much that I think we may just take him at 51. Hell by the time the draft goes around and we see so many teams taking secondary guys he may be the best available when we pick in terms of secondary.

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[quote=RedskinRat;1002398]I'm sure it ventures into crystal ball territory but how far out can the scouts project the potential of a player? Would it be too much of a stretch to say that Skins scouts are already targeting 2014 players?

I'd love to see us gather picks for 2014 when we can afford to bolster the roster and bet set for 5-10 years.[/quote]

Yeah they're not likely looking too much past 2013 at this point.

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[quote=NYCskinfan82;1002406]IMO are FO is probably thinking if we had more pressure up front are Secondary would of looked better. They will address the secondary but not as much as we think/wish.[/quote]

That's what I'm thinking.

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CB in the 2nd RD Safety in the 3rd or vice versa
This draft is stacked with secondary talent !

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How I'd rate the CBs in the draft (w/out some of those obvious guys that will go clearly before we pick)

1. Johnathan Banks
2. Jamar Taylor
3. Jordan Poyer
4. BW Webb
5. Nickell Robey
6. Leon McFadden
7. Tyrann Mathieu
8. Darius Slay
9. Robert Alford
10. Tharold Simon


Also heres the latest small school prospects list you should check out.
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1594463-small-school-prospects-ready-to-burst-on-the-nfl-scene/page/02]Small-School Prospects Ready to Burst onto the NFL Scene | Bleacher Report[/url]

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1002439]How I'd rate the CBs in the draft (w/out some of those obvious guys that will go clearly before we pick)

1. Johnathan Banks
2. Jamar Taylor
3. Jordan Poyer
4. BW Webb
5. Nickell Robey
6. Leon McFadden
7. Tyrann Mathieu
8. Darius Slay
9. Robert Alford
10. Tharold Simon


Also heres the latest small school prospects list you should check out.
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1594463-small-school-prospects-ready-to-burst-on-the-nfl-scene/page/02]Small-School Prospects Ready to Burst onto the NFL Scene | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

FWIW, I added my initial notes on these players:

1. Johnathan Banks - Great athlete, heady, plays under control.
2. Jamar Taylor - Average CB, willing tackler.
3. Jordan Poyer - Exciting player, great PR.
4. BW Webb - Looks and plays small.
5. Nickell Robey - Excellent college player but too small.
6. Leon McFadden - Talented but raw.
7. Tyrann Mathieu - Small, character issues.
8. Darius Slay - No notes.
9. Robert Alford - Great cover skills, speed.
10. Tharold Simon - Big, covers well. Poor tackler.

Here are a few more who I like:

1. Bidi Wreh-Wilson - Good cover, run support. Good hands?
2. Logan Ryan - Covers, blitzes well. Good tackler.
3. Adrian Bushell - Fast, covers, tackles. Great ST, KR/PR.

As I mentioned, those were my first notes when I started to look at them. Since then, more information has become known about some of them.

Banks apparently has marginal speed. That would be the only reason we could have a shot at drafting him. If he had run a 4.4 forty, he'd surely go in the 1st Round.

Unfortunately for him, Robert Alford has Crohn's Disease. I have no idea how that will affect his ability to play in the NFL. He's a heckuva football player, though. If the Skins were to draft him, I'd be very pleased.

Not new news, but:

Despite the negatives about him, Tyrann Matthews is a football player. He has great instincts and determination and he could be a steal for some team.

Leon McFadden only played one season at CB. He is very talented and would be a great pickup in the 5th or 6th Round, IMO.

Likewise, Adrian Bushell is an exciting, multi-talented player who might be there as late as the 6th Round. He could really help on ST while he develops.

I know this post is long, but I'm really excited about the DB's in this year's draft who I think could help the Skins.

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According to Peter King and others not a great draft to have a high number; very few can't miss guys. Should be a strong second round draft. Another high five for our front office; it was a good year to give up a first round pick for a superstar QB.

[url=http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nfl/news/20130408/2013-nfl-draft-peter-king-monday-morning-quarterback/?sct=hp_t11_a3&eref=sihp]2013 NFL Draft lacks elite prospects, but features good depth - NFL - Peter King - SI.com[/url]

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002441]FWIW, I added my initial notes on these players:

1. Johnathan Banks - Great athlete, heady, plays under control.
2. Jamar Taylor - Average CB, willing tackler.
3. Jordan Poyer - Exciting player, great PR.
4. BW Webb - Looks and plays small.
5. Nickell Robey - Excellent college player but too small.
[B]6. Leon McFadden - Talented but raw.[/B]
7. Tyrann Mathieu - Small, character issues.
8. Darius Slay - No notes.
9. Robert Alford - Great cover skills, speed.
10. Tharold Simon - Big, covers well. Poor tackler.

Here are a few more who I like:

1. Bidi Wreh-Wilson - Good cover, run support. Good hands?
2. Logan Ryan - Covers, blitzes well. Good tackler.
3. Adrian Bushell - Fast, covers, tackles. Great ST, KR/PR.

As I mentioned, those were my first notes when I started to look at them. Since then, more information has become known about some of them.

Banks apparently has marginal speed. That would be the only reason we could have a shot at drafting him. If he had run a 4.4 forty, he'd surely go in the 1st Round.

Unfortunately for him, Robert Alford has Crohn's Disease. I have no idea how that will affect his ability to play in the NFL. He's a heckuva football player, though. If the Skins were to draft him, I'd be very pleased.

Not new news, but:

Despite the negatives about him, Tyrann Matthews is a football player. He has great instincts and determination and he could be a steal for some team.

[B]Leon McFadden only played one season at CB. He is very talented and would be a great pickup in the 5th or 6th Round, IMO.[/B]

Likewise, Adrian Bushell is an exciting, multi-talented player who might be there as late as the 6th Round. He could really help on ST while he develops.

I know this post is long, but I'm really excited about the DB's in this year's draft who I think could help the Skins.[/quote]

McFadden has played in the secondary since he was a freshman. You sure you aren't thinking about JJ Wilcox who only played one year as a senior in the secondary?

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1002472]McFadden has played in the secondary since he was a freshman. You sure you aren't thinking about JJ Wilcox who only played one year as a senior in the secondary?[/quote]

I wouldn't be surprised if I'm confused. I'm an old geezer, you know.

BTW, Wilcox looks like a very good late round safety prospect.

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002371]Pugh is a very good player but he has [B]T. Rex arms[/B], only about 30", if I recall correctly. That bothers me about him at OT. Maybe they want him at OG.[/quote]

Lol
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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002476]I wouldn't be surprised if I'm confused. I'm an old geezer, you know.

BTW, Wilcox looks like a very good late round safety prospect.[/quote]

Yeah, I'll make me safety list later. I can already tell you that Rambo and Elam are at the top.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1002484]Lol
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haha Yep that video could apply to a lot of WRs in the NFL as well.

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Lawrence Okoye at nearly 6-foot-6 and 304 pounds, Okoye ran the 40-yard dash in 4.78 seconds while posting a 10-foot-5 broad jump and a 35-inch vertical jump. Current holder of the British Record for Olympic discus is also an accomplished rugby player. Bottom line is he is a great athlete.


[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000158087/article/lawrence-okoye-impresses-at-super-regional-combine]Lawrence Okoye impresses at Super Regional Combine - NFL.com[/url]

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Is it just me or is the draft less interesting to everyone else around Redskin nation? I mean this should be my ideal draft. Nothing but grunts at the top. Usually my interest in the draft is no less then an 11 out of 10 and I could go at least 3 deep at every position except kicker, long snapper, and punter.

It's not like I don't have free time to read up on it but most of my free time seems to be reading up on politics (uhhhhh past me would beat the crap out of present me).

Do I need to seek more professional help then usual or is the combination of unsexy positions at the top with no Redskins 1st round pick ramping down everyone elses interest?

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DJ Swearinger please.

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[quote=Dirtbag59;1002544]Is it just me or is the draft less interesting to everyone else around Redskin nation? I mean this should be my ideal draft. Nothing but grunts at the top. Usually my interest in the draft is no less then an 11 out of 10 and I could go at least 3 deep at every position except kicker, long snapper, and punter.

It's not like I don't have free time to read up on it but most of my free time seems to be reading up on politics (uhhhhh past me would beat the crap out of present me).

Do I need to seek more professional help then usual or is the combination of unsexy positions at the top with no Redskins 1st round pick ramping down everyone elses interest?[/quote]

Lacking a first round pick dampens my interest a little. The draft becomes more unpredictable as it goes on, so who knows what will happen even with our first pick.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1002439]How I'd rate the CBs in the draft (w/out some of those obvious guys that will go clearly before we pick)

1. Johnathan Banks
2. Jamar Taylor
3. Jordan Poyer
4. BW Webb
5. Nickell Robey
6. Leon McFadden
7. Tyrann Mathieu
8. Darius Slay
9. Robert Alford
10. Tharold Simon


Also heres the latest small school prospects list you should check out.
[url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1594463-small-school-prospects-ready-to-burst-on-the-nfl-scene/page/02]Small-School Prospects Ready to Burst onto the NFL Scene | Bleacher Report[/url][/quote]

They spent a lot of time during the NCAA Football season scouting Banks and Slay

They're rumored to like Alford, but I don't know about that

They've shown interest in Wreh-Wilson's teammate Gratz...which probably means they're really interested in Wreh-Wilson

App State Demetrius McCray could be a late round/UDFA pick

I think they're leaning Poyer

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;1002547]DJ Swearinger please.[/quote]

I've read the jets are interested and he may not be there at 51, as a result.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1002554]They spent a lot of time during the NCAA Football season scouting Banks and Slay

They're rumored to like Alford, but I don't know about that

They've shown interest in Wreh-Wilson's teammate Gratz...which probably means they're really interested in Wreh-Wilson

App State Demetrius McCray could be a late round/UDFA pick

I think they're leaning Poyer[/quote]

Ahhh here's that smootsmack info I love to read (Where's your sources?!?; kidding you missed that when you were gone)

Yeah I'm not high on Alford because he unlike janoris Jenkins never played against top talent. And he is going to be 25 with Crohn's disease.

Banks I love. I don't give two craps that his forty sucks. If he can play and do well against the best than, he can play in the NFL as a CB. Darius slay he's solid but other than his name there's not much I like about him.

Like I said I don't like any Uconn defenders, it's a system full of good to average players.

Ill have to check out the app state kid

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[quote=SmootSmack;1002554]They spent a lot of time during the NCAA Football season scouting Banks and Slay

They're rumored to like Alford, but I don't know about that

They've shown interest in Wreh-Wilson's teammate Gratz...which probably means they're really interested in Wreh-Wilson

App State Demetrius McCray could be a late round/UDFA pick

[B]I think they're leaning Poyer[/B][/quote]

I would be fine with that, but we would have to go safety in round three

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Speaking of Safeties; here's how I would rate the safeties that we could get

1. Matt Elam
2. Bacarri Rambo
3. DJ Swearinger
4. Eric Reid
5. Phillip Thomas
6. Duke Williams
7. Shamarko Thomas
8. Ray Ray Armstrong
9. TJ McDonald
10. Shawn Williams

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1002590]Speaking of Safeties; here's how I would rate the safeties that we could get

1. Matt Elam
2. Bacarri Rambo
3. DJ Swearinger
4. Eric Reid
5. Phillip Thomas
6. Duke Williams
7. Shamarko Thomas
8. Ray Ray Armstrong
9. TJ McDonald
10. Shawn Williams[/quote]

Nice list. Even a blind Hogette could find a safety in this draft class.

I like Tony Jefferson, even though his stock has fallen recently.

JJ Wilcox has size and skills but he seems to need to be developed. He might be a solid pick in a later round.

I suppose David Amerson will be drafted early as a CB but I really like the idea of him at FS as a pro. With his size (6-3, 205) and range, he could be outstanding at FS.

Terry Hawthorne is considered to be a CB but I like the idea of him as a pro SS. He has good size (6-0, 194) and speed (4.4) and he's a great tackler, IMO.

I might be the only guy around who's crazy enough to want to convert big, fast CB's into safeties.

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They've shown more interest in Duke Williams than anyone else this off-season, including current NFL players.

They like Phillip Thomas a lot too, and Wilcox.

Late round sleeper could be Bradley McDougald

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I would give our draft grade a T for Trill if we came away with Poyer in the second and Duke Williams/Phillip Thomas in the 3rd.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;1002547]DJ Swearinger please.[/quote]

We'd be lucky if he fell to us in the 3rd round. I think he'd be a reach in the 2nd.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1002626]They've shown more interest in Duke Williams than anyone else this off-season, including current NFL players.

They like Phillip Thomas a lot too, and Wilcox.

Late round sleeper could be Bradley McDougald[/quote]

See I'm not too sold on this Wilcox guy. Phillip Thomas I like a lot but I gave Eric Reid the slight advantage over him since he play in the SEC and didn't suffer a major foot injury.

I've heard of McDougald w/ the Redskins before; he's a safety from Kansas. I wouldn't mind him late in the draft.

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David Amerson (DB) of NC State and Phillip Thomas safety from Fresno St. are visiting us according to Chris Russell.

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[quote=Bubba305-ST21-;1002547]DJ Swearinger please.[/quote]

The following is from a Washington Times article about your boy, DJ:

[I]Swearinger wasn’t particularly colorful during his media session at the scouting combine in February, but his sales pitch was concise and clear.

"I’m the best safety in this draft because I’m a leader first and foremost," said Swearinger, who captained South Carolina’s defense. "I have instincts that coaches can’t coach. You can’t coach instincts. I have great ball skills, great feet and hips. I’m going to stay in that film room and be a hard worker day in an day out."

He has experience playing every position in the secondary, especially both safety positions, which suits how Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett likes to disguise coverages. And, of course, that versatility also helps after the snap.

"First of all you’ve got to have great instincts, great ball skills," Swearinger said. "You’ve got to read coverages. You’ve got to be able to run, tackle in the open field and play the ball when it’s in the air."[/I]

That is impressive stuff.

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[quote=CultBrennan59;1002590]Speaking of Safeties; here's how I would rate the safeties that we could get

1. Matt Elam
2. Bacarri Rambo
3. DJ Swearinger
4. Eric Reid
5. Phillip Thomas
6. Duke Williams
7. Shamarko Thomas
8. Ray Ray Armstrong
9. TJ McDonald
10. Shawn Williams[/quote]

Reid (FS),
Elam (FS)
McDonald (FS)
Vaccarro (FS potential)
Cyprien (FS potential)
Rambo (FS)
Duke Williams (FS)
Swearinger (FS potential)
Shamarko Thomas (SS)
Shawn Williams (SS)
Cody Davis (FS potential)
Tony Jefferson (FS potential)
Earl Wolff (FS)

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1002791]The following is from a Washington Times article about your boy, DJ:

[I]Swearinger wasn’t particularly colorful during his media session at the scouting combine in February, but his sales pitch was concise and clear.

"I’m the best safety in this draft because I’m a leader first and foremost," said Swearinger, who captained South Carolina’s defense. "I have instincts that coaches can’t coach. You can’t coach instincts. I have great ball skills, great feet and hips. I’m going to stay in that film room and be a hard worker day in an day out."

He has experience playing every position in the secondary, especially both safety positions, which suits how Redskins defensive coordinator Jim Haslett likes to disguise coverages. And, of course, that versatility also helps after the snap.

"First of all you’ve got to have great instincts, great ball skills," Swearinger said. "You’ve got to read coverages. You’ve got to be able to run, tackle in the open field and play the ball when it’s in the air."[/I]

That is impressive stuff.[/quote]

So, is he expected to be around in the 2nd or 3rd? He clearly has confidence in his abilities and understands the position. The team captain experience is solid. However, I am curious as to whether the scouts agree with his self assessment.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1002880]So, is he expected to be around in the 2nd or 3rd? He clearly has confidence in his abilities and understands the position. The team captain experience is solid. However, I am curious as to whether the scouts agree with his self assessment.[/quote]

His projected draft round varies from as high as 2nd to as low as 4th, according to the "draft guru" rankings I've seen. Most sites seem to see him going in the 3rd round, right now.

That said, there's no telling when he'll be picked. Each NFL team has its own draft board and decision making process.

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Heres my list of guys who aren't pressing needs, but if they fell to us, we should take them (these are guys who are late first to early second projected guys):

1. De'Montre Moore OLB Texas A&M
2. Tyler Eifert TE Notre Dame
3. Kevin Minter ILB LSU
4. Alex Okafor OLB Texas
5. Manti Te'o ILB Notre Dame
6. Jesse Williams NT/DE Alabama
7. Kawaan Short DE/DT Purdue
8. Zach Ertz TE Stanford
9. Robert Woods WR USC
10. Quinton Patton WR LaTech
11. Terrence Williams WR Baylor
12. Gavin Escobar TE San Diego St.