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Grant has had trouble escaping the jams of real corners (not the 3rd stringers of preseason). Hopefully he is working on this and will be a big contributor next year. We didn't draft him to be an immediate starter.

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[quote=Lotus;1101451]Hankerson. LOL. The new and improved Malcolm Kelly.[/quote]

Hankerson is a puzzling one. He must really suck in practice because other than his first game back from IR (which he screwed up a couple of assignments) he's been inactive every week. He's fully healthy apparently but must be deep in Gruden's doghouse. Another wasted third round pick, SMH!

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There's no way Hankerson is truly 100%.

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Hank's a f'ing bust. I've been saying this for a long time. Cut that dead weight and move on.

Grant on the other hand I think will end up being a decent starter in the future.

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[quote=Lotus;1101467]Grant has had trouble escaping the jams of real corners (not the 3rd stringers of preseason). Hopefully he is working on this and will be a big contributor next year. We didn't draft him to be an immediate starter.[/quote]

Good point. Even in preseason I noticed that he lacked the strength to get position on corners. I think that he needs to get bigger and stronger to compete in the NFL. Once he does that we should see more of him.

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[quote=DynamiteRave;1101476]Hank's a f'ing bust. I've been saying this for a long time. Cut that dead weight and move on.

Grant on the other hand I think will end up being a decent starter in the future.[/quote]

Grant could have been our ODB Jr. with more playing time and confidence in him. The Redskins need to let their young players play.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1101494]Grant could have been our ODB Jr. with more playing time and confidence in him. The Redskins need to let their young players play.[/quote]

We haven't seen much of Grant since the Jaguars game. For a 5th round pick he is a good wide receiver.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1101494]Grant could have been our ODB Jr. with more playing time and confidence in him. The Redskins need to let their young players play.[/quote]

i think this is WAY too optimistic. grants been on the field, you just haven't noticed him.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1101494]Grant could have been our ODB Jr. with more playing time and confidence in him. The Redskins need to let their young players play.[/quote]

This is what's been wrong with this organization for a long time. They'd rather play scrubs like Josh Wilson over Amerson. Or play journeymen like Jabar Gafney. Keep Moss on the team when he's inactive or useless. There's no reason to not have Grant in there. Roberts is a joke at WR. Whoever scouted him to be the #2 should be fired. If Hall hadn't got hurt, we wouldn't be seeing Breeland emerge. Why isn't Long or LeRib playing? Are they THAT BAD where he can't push Chester? Or at least get a series or two? To me that's pathetic.

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Comparing Grant to ODB is a huge stretch. A giant stretch even.

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[quote=skinsfan69;1101549]This is what's been wrong with this organization for a long time. They'd rather play scrubs like Josh Wilson over Amerson. Or play journeymen like Jabar Gafney. Keep Moss on the team when he's inactive or useless. There's no reason to not have Grant in there. Roberts is a joke at WR. Whoever scouted him to be the #2 should be fired. If Hall hadn't got hurt, we wouldn't be seeing Breeland emerge. Why isn't Long or LeRib playing? Are they THAT BAD where he can't push Chester? Or at least get a series or two? To me that's pathetic.[/quote]

Baloney. Amerson played plenty as a rookie. Breeland would have seen plenty of action as the 3rd corner this year. Or did you want him playing over Hall?

If young guys aren't playing it points to the bigger issue of them simply not being good enough in the first place.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101551]Baloney. Amerson played plenty as a rookie. Breeland would have seen plenty of action as the 3rd corner this year. Or did you want him playing over Hall?

If young guys aren't playing it points to the bigger issue of them simply not being good enough in the first place.[/quote]

My point is would let these guys get the chance to emerge. Especially when our record is so bad. Yes, I would have been in favor of having Hall play the 3. I would have rather seen Amerson start over Wilson. Would you rather see Moss out there over Grant? You want to keep seeing Chester on roller skates? Tomorrow I would have a guard rotation, can't be any worse than what we've seen.

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Grant has been active all year while Moss has only been active for 9 games. So I'm not sure where that comparison is even coming from.

At this point I don't see a problem with Roberts playing over him.

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[QUOTE=Mattyk;1101550]Comparing Grant to ODB is a huge stretch. A giant stretch even.[/QUOTE]


I dont even care about our wr's. This whole Montana/Young thing we have going on with Griff and Cousins is what has my interest.

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[quote=punch it in;1101557]I dont even care about our wr's. This whole Montana/Young thing we have going on with Griff and Cousins is what has my interest.[/quote]

Yup, and Grant is obviously the Jerry Rice in all this.

If only we didn't hold these guys back.

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We r loaded at WR for the first time since the gibbs 1.0 days. Jackson is a top 10 WR and garçon is a top 30. Then Roberts as a 3 is a great option as well.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101554]Grant has been active all year while Moss has only been active for 9 games. So I'm not sure where that comparison is even coming from.

At this point I don't see a problem with Roberts playing over him.[/quote]

Yup. Grant has been on the field. People think he hasn't played simply because when he does, he disappears. One good jam and he's out of the play.

I think Grant will be good next year but anyone who wants him to be ODB this year is fooling themselves. ODB gets off jams; Grant, at this point, doesn't.

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There is a reason ODB was a first round pick and Grant a 5th.

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[quote=Mattyk;1101558]Yup, and Grant is obviously the Jerry Rice in all this.

If only we didn't hold these guys back.[/quote]


Just you wait. They are going to go to another team and become all-pros just like Cult Brennan and Marko Mitchell.

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[quote=Lotus;1101564]Yup. Grant has been on the field. People think he hasn't played simply because when he does, he disappears. One good jam and he's out of the play.

I think Grant will be good next year but anyone who wants him to be ODB this year is fooling themselves. ODB gets off jams; Grant, at this point, doesn't.[/quote]

ODB also has elite speed . . . Grant is quite slow comparatively.

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You don't play young players for the sake of playing them so they can get experience... You play the best players you have to win the game...

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[QUOTE=Fiversons;1101570]You don't play young players for the sake of playing them so they can get experience... You play the best players you have to win the game...[/QUOTE]


Exactly, and on that note hopefully we can move on from the ODB vs Grant conversation. I feel a little sillier than usual today for even being a part of it.

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[quote=punch it in;1101571]Exactly, and on that note hopefully we can move on from the ODB vs Grant conversation. I feel a little sillier than usual today for even being a part of it.[/quote]

Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...

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[QUOTE=Fiversons;1101575]Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...[/QUOTE]


Oh there is no comparison. Orakpo is way better!

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[quote=Fiversons;1101575]Yea... While we are at it, let's go ahead and compare Orakpo and LT...[/quote]

More like Jeffcoat is the next LT, if only we let him play of course.

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If we had let Moses play more than we might be looking at the next Anthony Munoz here fellas. Why we continually crap all over sure shot hall of fame careers just because we have control issues is a real problem. Im going to buy a dishwasher and pretend the organization hasnt held these greats back! Later.

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[quote=punch it in;1101585]oh there is no comparison. Orakpo is way better![/quote]

lmfao...

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[quote=Mattyk;1101558]Yup, and Grant is obviously the Jerry Rice in all this.

If only we didn't hold these guys back.[/quote]

actually, [URL="http://www.redskins.com/team/roster/Jerry-Rice%20Jr./de86b1f8-3af7-459f-881a-597e5da1352e"]jerry rice jr[/URL] is the jerry rice in all of this. how soon you all forget.

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I'm not totally sure how people started comparing Grant to ODB...

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I mentioned Grant compared to ODB because their measurables where similar, of course one is a SEC player and the other is a mid-major. Grant has elite catching ability, his issue is speed. If we had not picked up Roberts and DJax, I think by having more playing time Grant would be a better player. Garcon and Morris are 6th rounders, so its possible.

This article put some light on the situation this year...

[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/washington-redskins-burning-out-under-magnifying-glass/2014/12/27/4f07bb5c-8c5b-11e4-8ff4-fb93129c9c8b_story.html]Washington Redskins, burning out under magnifying glass - The Washington Post[/url]

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[quote=That Guy;1101618]actually, [URL="http://www.redskins.com/team/roster/Jerry-Rice%20Jr./de86b1f8-3af7-459f-881a-597e5da1352e"]jerry rice jr[/URL] is the jerry rice in all of this. how soon you all forget.[/quote]

Lol. Good catch.

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So, on the RGIII / Gruden front: [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2312720-insider-buzz-skins-practice-incident-continues-to-prove-rg3-is-uncoachable]Insider Buzz: 'Skins Practice Incident Continues to Prove RG3 Is 'Uncoachable' | Bleacher Report[/url]

If true, it is really disheartening. The crux of it is this: In practice last week, during 7 on 7 drills, the O is in shotgun formation with 3 WR's split right and 2 WR's split left. Before the play, Gruden comes out and talks to RGIII telling him to throw right as that is where his play will be 95% of the time. Apparently, when the play is then run, Griffin throws [I]left[/I] to the 2 WR side [I]and[/I] makes the wrong read leading to an interception in practice.

Like I said, if true, that is really bad. The coach tells you where to throw, you ignore him, and make a bad play doing it you're way. If I'm Gruden, I just don't know what to say to that - other than a stream of expletives.

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[quote=diehardskin2982;1101624]I mentioned Grant compared to ODB because their measurables where similar, of course one is a SEC player and the other is a mid-major. Grant has elite catching ability, his issue is speed. If we had not picked up Roberts and DJax, I think by having more playing time Grant would be a better player. Garcon and Morris are 6th rounders, so its possible.[/quote]

The Redskins knew Grant wasn't fast when they drafted him. There are other possession receivers playing in the league who are not fast, either. His problem is that he can be jammed at the LOS, knocked off his route, or outfought for the ball because he is not yet strong enough to succeed in the NFL. He needs to get stronger to play more.

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[QUOTE=JoeRedskin;1102121]

Like I said, if true, that is really bad. The coach tells you where to throw, you ignore him, and make a bad play doing it you're way. If I'm Gruden, I just don't know what to say to that - other than a stream of expletives.[/QUOTE

i am struggling to find the right words ...

"petulant" isnt the right word but its the word that first comes to my mind.

re grant - he is what he is imo. a 6th round project. hopefully he can develop into a reliable 4, at best a 3.

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[quote=JoeRedskin;1102121]So, on the RGIII / Gruden front: [url=http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2312720-insider-buzz-skins-practice-incident-continues-to-prove-rg3-is-uncoachable]Insider Buzz: 'Skins Practice Incident Continues to Prove RG3 Is 'Uncoachable' | Bleacher Report[/url]

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During the game on Sunday I noticed Griffin angry and yelling at the sideline like a petulant child after HE made a really bad read & throw. Gruden from the sidelines pointed to where Griffin was supposed to throw it and Griffin blew up mad.
I really believe now that RGIII plays to the cameras and does not like to be told his mistakes when he is on the field because the cameras are rolling, as it was 2nd down.
What will it take for him to be more accepting to being coached and the fact that he is not great? After the game I read this article and I was more frustrated with Griffin.
During the game after the 5 yard dink pass he completed to DJax for the long TD that was created by Trent's block and DJax speed....after the TD Griffin stood on the field pointing to the sky and playing to the cameras. Then rather then celebrating with his teammates he looked all around at all of the TV cameras to see which one was pointed at him. I really do not want a QB like that. That shit has to change fast or he can pack his shit go somewhere else.

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Lets face it both guys are on shaky ground. If they don't get their stuff together next year will be their last in Was.

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Rgs the best choice to develop we have on roster. Lol i cant believe were still on this. We dont want a qb this draft in the rebuild phase. I repeat we dont want to draft a qb this year in the rebuild phase. Everyones in a rush to win calm down were not winning a sb anytime soon with the problems across the board. You say qb? Your narrow sighted i see Oline, safety, and still dont have a dominant player in the phases i didnt mention. Gruden rg3..... Just.... Stop. Think beside them!

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[quote=Bishop Hammer;1105402]Lets face it both guys are on shaky ground. If they don't get their stuff together next year will be their last in Was.[/quote]

Whats get their stuff together? Win a sb? Bahahaha its so much more than rg3. Any one of those final 4 teams would have scored all over out defense. I want defense. Defense. Wilson threw 4 picks, rodgers threw 2 picks... Vs redskins.. Both throw no picks and we get sidewinded

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[quote=Skins4L;1105424]Whats get their stuff together? Win a sb? Bahahaha its so much more than rg3. Any one of those final 4 teams would have scored all over out defense. I want defense. Defense. Wilson threw 4 picks, rodgers threw 2 picks... Vs redskins.. Both throw no picks and we get sidewinded[/quote]

I never mentioned anything about a Superbowl. Basically get some consistency; Griffin needs to read defenses; hit open recievers things a third year NFL QB shoukd know now. Gruden make better game plans; prepare his players; utilize the run game; understand defense is an important factor for winning football games.

Right now I'm just worried about The Skins putting together a winning streak at some point during Grudens tenure. Heck I don't even see playoffs in the near future.

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/01/29/redskins-rgiii-says-he-wasnt-healthy-last-season-and-it-sucked/]Redskins’ RGIII says he wasn’t healthy last season and ‘it sucked’ - The Washington Post[/url]

“Last year I wasn’t healthy, and it sucked, so there’s no other way to say it other than that,” Griffin said. “When you dislocate your ankle in the second week of the season, when you and your team have big things in mind. It’s just getting healthy, getting the mental break getting a chance to spend time with family, and then formulate my plan going forward for this year and we can go out there and win games and be playing at this time next year.”

“And that didn’t happen when I got back out there, and coach made a decision. And that’s an unfortunate decision, and something we all had to go with because that was coach’s choice."

"I think it just comes with the organizational support that [Brady and Wilson] have as well to be the players that they are, to understand that this is our guy no matter what. I think the [NFC Championship] game with the Packers shows that more than anything. When a guy goes out there and throws four interceptions and then leads them to a victory, I think that guy knows in the back of his head that his entire team has his back, and the entire organization has his back. And I think that’s important, and I think it’s been the same way for Tom Brady."

Still not accepting any responsibilty for his own poor play. Injuries, coaches, organization but not RGIII.


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