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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165713]I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.[/quote]
Seems sensible.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1165712]Fire Bruce, extend Gruden and SM, and let's get the ball rolling. I don't think Bruce offers more than the drama that he seems to create. Snyder doesn't need a yes man. I want to see what those 2 can do together for the next few years while Snyder plays the role of good owner.[/quote]

I think Bruce is the new Vinny in Dan's eyes; Bruce is the golden child so ain't going anywhere fast.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1165712]Fire Bruce, extend Gruden and SM, and let's get the ball rolling. I don't think Bruce offers more than the drama that he seems to create. Snyder doesn't need a yes man. I want to see what those 2 can do together for the next few years while Snyder plays the role of good owner.[/quote]

Fire Smithers? :laughing-

Snyder doesn't need a yes man? :laughing-

Snyder plays the role of good owner? :laughing2

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165713]I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.[/quote]

This is definitely entirely sensible and would be the exact tact I would be taking. Probably you as well. The key is that it presumes Allen and Snyder are sensible.

I still don't buy the Jeremiah thing. I insist on multiple sources for something like that before I really start to believe it.

It's amazing how the masses get resigned to losing Cousins based on one guy's thoughts on a radio show. Did you guys see that bookmaker.eu set odds 1-2 that Cousins would be with the team next year?

Meaning they think there's a 66% chance he'll be back. There's a reason Vegas is so glitzy and build such extravagant buildings, they're pretty good at setting odds and making money.

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165713]I thought of a possibility that I don't think I heard or read about (I'll express it because, to me, Cole's and Jeremiah's """reports""" are nothing more than thinking out loud):

Maybe, just maybe, this board wants KC long term but think he's asking too much, and they want to use the non exclusive tag to test his market value and still have the last word.

If you think about it they have nothing to lose:

-either no team offers KC the price he's asking and they can say "see you're not worth THAT much, take this deal";

-either a team offers him the price he wants and they can say "ok, you were right about your market value, we'll match their offer".

(In the first case he could still want to test the open market next season, in the second possibility they could decide the number is crazy high and take negotiate compensation).

Just saying, from a business stand point I can see how they can use the non-exclusive tag as a way to ask other teams to help them know how much KC's worth.[/quote]


These were my initial thoughts, however, it still wouldn't matter. If Cousins didn't get an offer he liked from other teams this year, he has no obligation to negotiate with the Redskins this year. He can simply play on the tag once more and then hit the open market next year. Either way, Cousins is going to get paid mega-millions.

I think the thinking with the Redskins is that they would like to keep Cousins, but they would like to build a solid team across the board, and it's hard to do that with so much money tied up in one player. They may wind up losing their two top receivers as well, so that's even more bad news.

So, I think the front office is thinking the only play they really have is franchise tagging Cousins again, allowing San Fran to come in and offer him a contract they 'skins don't match, and get San Fran's two first round picks, or some other negotiated trade that's going to make it worthwhile for the Redskins.

I'm going to be a very optimistic, kool-aid drinking Redskins fan for a second and say this: Obviously there is something the coaching staff really likes about Colt McCoy. And since there doesn't seem to be any other serious names in the mix for quarterback, let's assume there's something that McCoy can show us that is every bit as good as the performance Cousins has given us. OK, then you have extra high round draft picks to play with, so you use those picks to help solidify the defense, draft an outstanding running back and/or receiver, because we will probably wind up losing both Garcon and Jackson. Suddenly you have a really young team that has added quality depth across the board. Maybe it turns out to be a similar trade like the Herschel Walker trade? Who knows? Cousins is a very good quarterback, but he isn't the end all/be all of quarterbacks, so maybe losing him wouldn't be the end of the world. </end kool-aid drinking>

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[quote=KI Skins Fan;1165716]Fire Smithers? :laughing-

Snyder doesn't need a yes man? :laughing-

Snyder plays the role of good owner? :laughing2[/quote]

Doesn't in he literally doesn't, not as in he doesn't want one.

It took him a long time but he's made gradual steps. Fired Vinny and brought in Bruce, then hired a real GM, the next step is to fire Bruce and let said GM do his job without someone lording over his every move.

I have simple dreams.

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165706]Whether you like it or not, Bruce and Jay have liked Colt for years. If the Skins didn't trade their 2nd round pick for McNabb in 2010, they likely would have taken Colt that year. Though Kyle and Mike weren't as impressed.

There isn't a clear second choice[/quote]

Is there a clear plan? I guess that's my biggest worry.

I think the established track record of Bruce/Dan is fairly poor when it comes to QBs. While Bruce and Jay may be fans of Colt...this guy isn't a franchise QB. I think if he was...then Jay would have played him/back him as "that guy".

If they don't think Cousins is the future, the answer isn't Colt. I think that's established by how Jay has run the team.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165722]Is there a clear plan? I guess that's my biggest worry.

I think the established track record of Bruce/Dan is fairly poor when it comes to QBs. While Bruce and Jay may be fans of Colt...this guy isn't a franchise QB. I think if he was...then Jay would have played him/back him as "that guy".

If they don't think Cousins is the future, the answer isn't Colt. I think that's established by how Jay has run the team.[/quote]

Colt got screwed over by his neck injury as much as anything else

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While Jay no doubt likes Colt, I find it just too convenient that we're hearing leaks that the team thinks it can be successful with him.

It's a clear attempt to grab at some leverage with Kirk.

This is turbulent, but I remain convinced it's all part of the dance.

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If we don't keep Kirk, Colt McCoy is a one year stop gap while a rookie draft pick learns the ropes. Nothing more.

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[quote=Schneed10;1165718]This is definitely entirely sensible and would be the exact tact I would be taking. Probably you as well. The key is that it presumes Allen and Snyder are sensible.

I still don't buy the Jeremiah thing. I insist on multiple sources for something like that before I really start to believe it.

[B]It's amazing how the masses get resigned to losing Cousins based on one guy's thoughts on a radio show.[/B] Did you guys see that bookmaker.eu set odds 1-2 that Cousins would be with the team next year?

Meaning they think there's a 66% chance he'll be back. There's a reason Vegas is so glitzy and build such extravagant buildings, they're pretty good at setting odds and making money.[/quote]

Exactly!

I mean all he said was "[B]I would not be shocked at all if[/B] we saw a Kirk Cousins to San Francisco trade go down at that point in time” and “I don’t think [the Redskins] are going to be able to get a long term deal done. I would say greater than 50 percent chance he’s not with the Redskins next year.”

A lot of irrational emotions in the air these days!

We also have to keep in mind it's these guys job to talk about what's happening... and during that time of the offseason, pretty much NOTHING is happening (so to speak)... but they're still paid to talk about it, so they're in stressful situation where they HAVE to find shit to talk about!

Even Cooley and Kevin get driven into the mix these days!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165724]Colt got screwed over by his neck injury as much as anything else[/quote]

I remember wondering in 2014 if Colt had not injured his neck, would he have finished out the year and then been "the guy" in 2015. But you know how it goes in the NFL with injuries, sometimes they open the door to another guy ala Drew Bledsoe, or Kirk Cousins in that case...

Also, another interesting tidbit that I wanted to share, not sure if it means anything at all, but when I went on Roto World just now, Kirk Cousins is now no longer listed in the depth chart for us. Does anyone else find that strange or is there a perfectly logical reason for it that I'm unaware of?

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nfl/was/washington-redskins]Washington Redskins - latest news, transactions, injuries, team schedule and depth chart. - Rotoworld.com[/url]

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[quote=FrenchSkin;1165727]Exactly!

I mean all he said was "[B]I would not be shocked at all if[/B] we saw a Kirk Cousins to San Francisco trade go down at that point in time” and “I don’t think [the Redskins] are going to be able to get a long term deal done. I would say greater than 50 percent chance he’s not with the Redskins next year.”

A lot of irrational emotions in the air these days!

We also have to keep in mind it's these guys job to talk about what's happening... and during that time of the offseason, pretty much NOTHING is happening (so to speak)... but they're still paid to talk about it, so they're in stressful situation where they HAVE to find shit to talk about!

Even Cooley and Kevin get driven into the mix these days![/quote]

Whatever I hear most recently on any subject is my new truth, no matter how outlandish.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1165728]I remember wondering in 2014 if Colt had not injured his neck, would he have finished out the year and then been "the guy" in 2015. But you know how it goes in the NFL with injuries, sometimes they open the door to another guy ala Drew Bledsoe, or Kirk Cousins in that case...

Also, another interesting tidbit that I wanted to share, not sure if it means anything at all, but when I went on Roto World just now, Kirk Cousins is now no longer listed in the depth chart for us. Does anyone else find that strange or is there a perfectly logical reason for it that I'm unaware of?

[url=http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/clubhouse/nfl/was/washington-redskins]Washington Redskins - latest news, transactions, injuries, team schedule and depth chart. - Rotoworld.com[/url][/quote]

Why are you looking at Rotoworld's depth chart and treating it as something to be interpreted as official?

Redskins.com currently does not list a depth chart. They don't list one until you get into the preseason, that's when the coach does his first crack at it, and then they periodically update it during the season. Then they take it down in the offseason.

You can go to Redskins.com and see the team's roster, which still includes Cousins and Baker and Jackson and Garcon. That's also entirely meaningless. Technically they're currently Redskins now but as of March 9 will not be.

Stop looking for a red herring!

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165724]Colt got screwed over by his neck injury as much as anything else[/quote]

Forgot about that neck injury.

For those saying this irrational or just silly to be having this discussion...Didn't the FO offer Cousins 17 per last year? Yeah. And whats more irrational talking Redskins QBs or a Redskins employee getting on the radio speculating drinking problems in Skins management.?


Welcome to the life of a Redskins Fan.

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Does SF love KC enough to give up high draft choices and $$$$$$$. They will not trade for him unless he agrees to a long term contract. No one seems to know what he is asking for.

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[quote=Chico23231;1165731]Forgot about that neck injury.

For those saying this irrational or just silly to be having this discussion...Didn't the FO offer Cousins 17 per last year? Yeah. And whats more irrational talking Redskins QBs or a Redskins employee getting on the radio speculating drinking problems in Skins management.?


Welcome to the life of a Redskins Fan.[/quote]

Haha agreed... That's what I meant: these guys have to find shit to talk about...

For my part I'm 100% in the discussion, I'm just trying to cool myself down and differentiate facts, possibilities, and speculation.

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[quote=Irrefutable;1165732]Does SF love KC enough to give up high draft choices and $$$$$$$. They will not trade for him unless he agrees to a long term contract. No one seems to know what he is asking for.[/quote]

That's something we will find out very soon. Remember, San Fran just hired John Lynch as their GM - somebody with no prior experience as being a GM in he league. Also, San Fran's ownership isn't exactly made up of level-headed rationalists. It's very likely that if Kyle Shanahan thinks that he can get Kirk Cousins and turn the 49ers around very quickly, then the ownership and new GM (who also happens to have a crush on Kirk Cousins as well) would probably be willing to move the heavens and the earth to secure Cousins' service.

It could very well be that the Redskins are sitting at both #2 and #17 in this year's draft, and have two 1st rounders again next year. That is a deal that I think the Redskins probably couldn't refuse.

Maybe if this were to happen, the ownership comes out and says they're extending Jay Gruden another couple of seasons to see where this goes.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1165729]Whatever I hear most recently on any subject is my new truth, no matter how outlandish.[/quote]

Ok, but he said "I would not be shocked at all if" not "I think that is what gonna happen" nor "that's one of the most probable issues"...

I feel like in the heat of all our discussions, waiting, and hoping, some reactions are as strong as if he said "I heard Bruce Allen said they were close to a deal with SF".

I still think the probability of KC signing a long term deal with the Redskins this offseason is somewhere between 30% and 60% (wide range, I know, it's hard to tell), not between 0% and 5% ...

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This about sums it up: [url]http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/23/14696634/kirk-cousins-49ers-washington-dan-snyder-kyle-shanahan-drama[/url]


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This blows red baboon ass.

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[quote=Brody81;1165742]This about sums it up: [url]http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/23/14696634/kirk-cousins-49ers-washington-dan-snyder-kyle-shanahan-drama[/url]


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Gah! If any of this was true, then I wouldn't blame Cousins for wanting out, but I think what has to be considered his Cousins' relationship with the current coaching staff, and it seems it's a good one. Daniel Snyder will cut his nose off despite his face.

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[quote=Brody81;1165742]This about sums it up: [url]http://www.ninersnation.com/2017/2/23/14696634/kirk-cousins-49ers-washington-dan-snyder-kyle-shanahan-drama[/url]


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That story is from a fan site and is conjecture. Does not apply to real life.

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[quote=Kope;1165751]That story is from a fan site and is conjecture. Does apply to real life.[/quote]

The writer of that story is a former WWE wrestler. Not kidding.

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[quote=Kope;1165751]That story is from a fan site and is conjecture. Does apply to real life.[/quote]

Could still totally see Snyder doing it though.

The thing about Snyder totally ignoring Cousins after his first win filling in for RG3 is true, I remember Mike or someone on the radio talking about it, and how the other players noticed it too.

Snyder I believe would tank this whole thing just to try and prove himself right. Can't believe we are questioning it...

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Always the laughing stock of the NFL: [url]http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30311/as-tag-deadline-looms-redskins-best-option-could-be-trading-kirk-cousins[/url]


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We had a few relatively quiet years and now we're back to being the dumpster fire that we are known for. I think hands down this is absolutely the most dysfunctional organization within the NFL.

In this off-season, we are going to lose Kirk Cousins, Pierre Garcon, and DeSean Jackson. Gruden and company is likely gone after the season.

The team's deafening silence on Boozegate (Rumors of Scott M relapsing) i think speaks volumes. Snyder has fully embraced his reputation of being the worst owner in the NFL and commanding the most dysfunctional organization.

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[quote=SolidSnake84;1165846]We had a few relatively quiet years and now we're back to being the dumpster fire that we are known for. I think hands down this is absolutely the most dysfunctional organization within the NFL.

In this off-season, we are going to lose Kirk Cousins, Pierre Garcon, and DeSean Jackson. Gruden and company is likely gone after the season.

The team's deafening silence on Boozegate (Rumors of Scott M relapsing) i think speaks volumes. Snyder has fully embraced his reputation of being the worst owner in the NFL and commanding the most dysfunctional organization.[/quote]

Not that I think this is the case, but what if everyone in the organization is being quiet because they aren't responding to stupid internet chatter and instead we see a long term contract with Kirk tomorrow followed by a two year extension for Jay and a relatively quick resigning of either Pierre or DeSean.

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1165848]Not that I think this is the case, but what if everyone in the organization is being quiet because they aren't responding to stupid internet chatter and instead we see a long term contract with Kirk tomorrow followed by a two year extension for Jay and a relatively quick resigning of either Pierre or DeSean.[/quote]

Thank you for that, that is a positive post, but why would the skins wait until the last day to announce the contract? If they knew they could get a deal done with Kirk i have a feeling they would already have done it.

My money says he is tagged and given the tag that lets other teams negotiate with him. I think it's plainly obvious that Snyder doesn't want Cousins on this team this coming season....

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[QUOTE=Brody81;1165845]Always the laughing stock of the NFL: [url]http://www.espn.com/blog/washington-redskins/post/_/id/30311/as-tag-deadline-looms-redskins-best-option-could-be-trading-kirk-cousins[/url]


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At this point I'd be shocked to see them sign Kirk long term. In fact I believe the trade is more likely. I'd love to stay positive here but it's the redskins

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I just don't understand why they didn't get something done last year. Didn't those idiots see this coming?

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[quote=Skinsfanatic;1165848]Not that I think this is the case, but what if everyone in the organization is being quiet because they aren't responding to stupid internet chatter and instead we see a long term contract with Kirk tomorrow followed by a two year extension for Jay and a relatively quick resigning of either Pierre or DeSean.[/quote]

That'd be great, but the internet chatter isn't based off of nothing

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[quote=SmootSmack;1165852]That'd be great, but the internet chatter isn't based off of nothing[/quote]

don't be a dreamcrusher. :(

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Yeah, I'm no longer optimistic about this at all. My guess is he's tagged, plays out the year for the 24 mil, departs in 2018, and the Skins get zero compensation. I don't think any team is going to offer much for him this year in the form of a trade, when they can just posture themselves for making a run at him next year. There's no way he's tagged for a third time.

This is probably exactly what he is hoping for too.

The only other way he stays long term is if they offer him stupid money, beyond what the actual market is for his services.

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[quote=Chief X_Phackter;1165856]Yeah, I'm no longer optimistic about this at all. My guess is he's tagged, plays out the year for the 24 mil, departs in 2018, and the Skins get zero compensation. I don't think any team is going to offer much for him this year in the form of a trade, when they can just posture themselves for making a run at him next year. There's no way he's tagged for a third time.

This is probably exactly what he is hoping for too.

The only other way he stays long term [B]is if they offer him stupid money[/B], beyond what the actual market is for his services.[/quote]

Which seems pretty established at this point. Idw jump to conclusions but this franchise is about to crush my dreams.

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At least Snyder found a way to make sure people don't forget how much of a cluster$%^$ of an owner he is. Man did he an Allen play this totally wrong.

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Need to get another team other than sf interesting in a trade. I think Chicago could be a team...

I would imagine the jets and Cleveland would be out because cousins wouldn't sign long term.

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KC really has the Redskins by the balls.

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ESPN is reporting that Kirk has already made up his mind and that he wants to play in SF... O well fuck it, I knew this would happen when he went to that Atlanta game, that was too fishy. Hopefully we get romo now and the number 2 pick, if not we are a 4-12 team again.

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If we start colt next yr I'm not watching. I'm 100% serious. Why watch a team tank the season? Fuck that

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