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I dont mind Allen releasing that at all. If he didn't everyone would just assume the team was the problem. Why should the franchise have to take all the heat? Cousins thinks he is way better than he is. Just because the market is going up doesn't mean you have to fold like a lawn chair. He isn't even worth what he was offered based on talent, let alone even more. Let him go to San Francisco. Give us a 3rd rounder to get a years headstart. Paying him 24 million this year to screw us into giving away the farm next year or forcing us to let him go for nothing is no good. We're getting used.

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And Cousins being better than what we've had recently is not a reason to pay him more than he's worth. Considering what we've had recently is a turd bowl mixed with a bowl of dicks.

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Dumb move by Bruce Allen. There was a low chance KC would ever sign here, but now it's zero. That letter feels like when Scott McC was kicked out --> we tend to kick franchise personalities out and then smear their names. Sure, Bruce offered $53, but would've taken much higher guaranteed $$ to keep him -- so the letter is just dumb.

I think we all know Bruce screwed it up last year when he could've had him for $20, but now we only have a 1-2 year QB rental. Regardless, a $25 mil/year for an above average QB would've crippled us, so I'm not completely upset. But we need to start looking long-term replacements.

Had hope we'd be good / playoff team for the next 5-10 years, but now I think our maximum is a Houston.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171649]I dont mind Allen releasing that at all. If he didn't everyone would just assume the team was the problem. Why should the franchise have to take all the heat? Cousins thinks he is way better than he is. Just because the market is going up doesn't mean you have to fold like a lawn chair. He isn't even worth what he was offered based on talent, let alone even more. Let him go to San Francisco. Give us a 3rd rounder to get a years headstart. Paying him 24 million this year to screw us into giving away the farm next year or forcing us to let him go for nothing is no good. We're getting used.[/quote]

You're talking like the scorned ex here. If we had offered Kirk market rate initially this discussion wouldn't even exist. Ya'll are acting like Kirk asked for 30 mil a year fully guaranteed.

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Can't blame the Skins at all, but they have themselves to blame for losing Kirk. Draft the kid out of Wyoming if you can and move on. Sudfeld has promise, but still is a project for now. I wonder if the Skins will start Sudfeld, bench Kirk, and be done with it. We can't Suck for Luck, but we can get the kid from USC or Wyoming(just kidding). I would laugh my ass off if they started Sudfeld and he actually lit it up!!!!!!!!!! Anything is possible at this point. At this point you just have to come to the conclusion that Kirk simply wants to leave the zoo, while the FO doesn't think the guy is worth getting into the possible salary cap red zone for. The FO messed up and Cousins played his hand wonderfully.

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[quote=insane4theskinsi;1171645]i am hoping the market crashes,snyder loses a billion,and has to sell the team,hopefully to warren buffett.my grandson hopefully sees the skins win a superbowl,but i will never see them win their 4th.[/quote]

It stinks we don't get our franchise QB, but then again he might not have been either. The guy was great in between the 20s like people say, but couldn't punch it in if the moved the ball within the red zone. Hell, JC was much better in the red zone than Kirk. The ending to the 2016 season was the exact opposite of what happened in 2015, and that didn't help Kirk's case for the big bucks. But I suspect that he wanted to leave all along and unless the FO offered him insane over the top of what Carr got $$$$$$, he was going to turn it down. A poster from NFL.com said it best a few days ago, Skins fans are in a bad way as we basically have to hope the Skins suck for us to retain him. Not sure that is what we as fans want. Better to just let him go and move on.

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Not to mention the team may blow up if KC leaves. Pryor may leave given no QB, and if we suck w/o Cousins - Gruden will have had a lukewarm 5-6 years and may be forced out as well. Put that together with a bunch of one year FA's this year --> we could be looking a lot different in two years..

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[quote=ethat001;1171655]Not to mention the team may blow up if KC leaves. Pryor may leave given no QB, and if we suck w/o Cousins - Gruden will have had a lukewarm 5-6 years and may be forced out as well. Put that together with a bunch of one year FA's this year --> we could be looking a lot different in two years..[/quote]

If that happens I will step back from the Skins and the NFL in general. I won't drop the team or the NFL totally of course, but the roller coaster that is the Snyder owned Skins, well the ride is getting rather dated. Skins fans need to WTFU and start boycotting going to games, buying crap, etc. The Lions fans did it and the ownership took notice. They aren't winning any SBs in the near future, but at least they seem to have a plan and are at least trying to build a winner. A potential blowup with a new QB, a new HC, and of course a new system just means starting over from scratch again, which seems to be Dan's formula for keeping things interesting. People need to quit drinking the Kool Aid if your scenario becomes a reality. It is just getting old and leaves a stale taste in one's mouth.

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[quote=mooby;1171652]You're talking like the scorned ex here. If we had offered Kirk market rate initially this discussion wouldn't even exist. Ya'll are acting like Kirk asked for 30 mil a year fully guaranteed.[/quote]

He says its not all about the money, we offer him a fortune, he says no. Doesn't matter what happened initially, he was recently offered a more than fair contract and he said no. So he's either full of shit and/or doesn't want to play here. He's not good enough to be worth the headache. It's going to be another year of this shit and what will change? Clearly the ship of reasonableness has sailed on both sides. Time to move on.

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Guys ...The Ravens won a super bowl with Trent Dilfer! need I say more.

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Jay Gruden has to be fucking livid at everyone. His whole season is going to be the same constant questions over and over.

Another question, if after the best offer Skins made, did Cousins even make a counter offer. Like what the fuck does he want? I want to here the numbers.

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Oh well...so let's go win a Super Bowl.

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Whatever the worst possible scenario is, that's what you should guess will happen to the Redskins or that's how they'll handle a situation.

This is so frustrating. Now we have to play a whole season with a lame duck QB that isn't even going to try to play well for anyone besides himself. How do you root for the Redskins and not root for the QB? Can we become a Wild-Cat team lol? All Wild-Cat and defense.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171659]Jay Gruden has to be fucking livid at everyone. His whole season is going to be the same constant questions over and over.

Another question, if after the best offer Skins made, did Cousins even make a counter offer. Like what the fuck does he want? I want to here the numbers.[/quote]

You want to hear numbers? Hear this.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A REDSKIN.

Is it that hard to see?

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[quote=Schneed10;1171662]You want to hear numbers? Hear this.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A REDSKIN.

Is it that hard to see?[/quote]

It's not. He didn't even propose a counter-offer. He's gonna walk. It's about as close to a lock as you're gonna get in today's NFL. A qb in his prime hitting the FA market with no defects and his former o-coordinator is the head coach of a team that desperately needs a qb? The only question is how much money are the 9ers gonna give him.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171662]You want to hear numbers? Hear this.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A REDSKIN.

Is it that hard to see?[/quote]

Ha, up to 4 p.m. today you were the most confident that he would be signed.

I've already said the same in other post, but everyone has their price. If they offered him 5 years 125 million all guaranteed, I would bet he would take it.

Hopefully we trade him ASAP. I don't want him on the team.

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171642]They just drafted Sudfeld. If they arent confident he can start by 2018, drafting another QB next year.[/quote]Does that seem like a solid plan to you? Nate Sudfeld? Drafting a QB in 2018 for a team that has flirted with the playoffs the past couple seasons?

Those options don't tell me they were adequately prepared for this outcome.

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[quote=30gut;1171665]Does that seem like a solid plan to you? Nate Sudfeld? Drafting a QB in 2018 for a team that has flirted with the playoffs the past couple seasons?

Those options don't tell me they were adequately prepared for this outcome.[/quote]

Well they could do the unorthodox and play Sudfeld this season and take their lumps, then draft another qb in the draft with their first pick and have the two youngsters go at it for 2018. Face it Gut, we are looking at a probable blowing up of the team and starting from scratch, yet again. Snyder loves chaos, and he is the master of dishing it out. Who is going to be the new HC though? I mean if he ditches Gruden, absolutely nobody, NOBODY that is half decent will want to touch this team!!!

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[url=http://was.247sports.com/Bolt/Scot-McCloughans-wife-takes-not-so-subtle-shot-at-Redskins-101638550]Scot McCloughan's wife takes not-so-subtle shot at Redskins[/url]

Seems to me like Allen is hoping for a team to suffer a QB injury and then try to trade KC similar to the Bridgewater deal last year. KC is gone, they fucked up.

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[quote=30gut;1171665]Does that seem like a solid plan to you? Nate Sudfeld? Drafting a QB in 2018 for a team that has flirted with the playoffs the past couple seasons?

Those options don't tell me they were adequately prepared for this outcome.[/quote]

Solid? You don't know if someone can play until they get the chance. I'd rather roll with Colt this season then if they don't have any confidence Sudfeld can be a starter by the draft next year take a QB. Colt would only be an option for this year and possibly next depending on the results. I'd trade Kirk immediately for anything 3rd round or better.

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You think if we go 10-6 and win a playoff game that Snyder would fire Allen to re- kindle any chance of resigning Kirk "Kurt" Cousins? That would be the ultimate irony.

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[quote=Schneed10;1171662]You want to hear numbers? Hear this.

HE DOESN'T WANT TO BE A REDSKIN.

Is it that hard to see?[/quote]

I disagree.

(wow, did I really start a post disagreeing with The Schneed? How crazy am I?)

I can't imagine that a NFL player can hate a team he's been very successful on (and a city where his child's going to be born) to a point where he'd turn down millions of dollars he'd accept from another team. KC doesn't seem to be an irrational guy.

By the way, the optimistics we both were thought the deal would get done at a lot more guaranteed money than 53 M! I said 65, you said "Saturday, 5 years, $25M per, [B]$75M guaranteed[/B]."

So to me this is just numbers. The offer wasn't high enough... He wants to see if the market says he's worth more.

My best hope is that we transition tag him, and match any offer made, so the Redskins would save face and be in a position to say "we didn't overpay him, it's the market price"...

But the BA's statement may very well be throwing KC under the bus to a point of no return...

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[quote=sdskinsfan2001;1171668]Solid? You don't know if someone can play until they get the chance. I'd rather roll with Colt this season then if they don't have any confidence Sudfeld can be a starter by the draft next year take a QB. Colt would only be an option for this year and possibly next depending on the results. I'd trade Kirk immediately for anything 3rd round or better.[/quote]

I would put in Sudfeld and let him get the time in. McCoy isn't the answer, but Sudfeld does have some upside. He alone made Indiana decent. Once he graduated, the Hoosiers became the worst team in the Big Ten again. The guy is big and tall. We need to try and get the kid from Wyoming if possible.

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I think everyone (including myself) needs to calm down. I don't think Cousins hates being a Redskin. I just think he's going to dictate to the Redskins and not vice versa. He probably doesn't trust Allen and Snyder. Would any of you? He's been through all the nonsense. We've seen how they treated Scot. What if we have a bad year and Gruden is blown outta here? He's seen so much bullshit from the Redskins that he probably feels comfortable going year to year and I really don't blame him. The Redskins did this to themselves and KC is taking full advantage of the situation.

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Bush league move by the team releasing details about their offer and basically trying to turn the fans against Cousins. I won't blame him at all if he walks next year.

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[quote=MTK;1171673]Bush league move by the team releasing details about their offer and basically trying to turn the fans against Cousins. I won't blame him at all if he walks next year.[/quote]

I have defend BA in the past, that was bad.

To be honest I am kind of over this team.

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Like was this on purpose?
[url=http://nesn.com/2017/07/redskins-president-couldnt-stop-calling-kirk-cousins-by-wrong-name/]Redskins President Couldn’t Stop Calling Kirk Cousins By Wrong Name | NFL | NESN.com[/url]

What a shit show.

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After the debacle with Scot, Allen should have been muzzled. He just needs to shut the fuck up and never be heard from again. Do the Redskins know basic PR 101?

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Shoulda have listened to McC and got this done last year.

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[quote=MTK;1171673]Bush league move by the team releasing details about their offer and basically trying to turn the fans against Cousins. I won't blame him at all if he walks next year.[/quote]

These are the type of things Vinny would do and we now see Bruce doing...

Folks this is Dan Snyder, your owner

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[quote=Chico23231;1171678]These are the type of things Vinny would do and we now see Bruce doing...

[B]Folks this is Dan Snyder, your owner[/B][/quote]

Duh. Deep in our guts, we all know this to be true. That's why I call BA "Smithers".


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the only good thing out of this is that next years quarterback is very good and we might hopefully have enough money to keep some free agents, but you guys are right what a shit show we are , i,m 49 years old been a redskins fan for as long as i can remember and i,ve never seen anything like this just makes it harder ever year to be a skins fan...

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I don't know why anybody would blame Kirk Cousins for doing what he's doing. Have a great year, collect your money, and go to a team next year that conducts itself like a professional organization. This is all a reflection of bad ownership. Unfortunately, there is absolutely no way to fire the owner. The only way to get rid of Snyder is to not go to home games, don't purchase Redskins stuff, and do a complete boycott. I appreciate his efforts toward keeping the name, but other than that, like MTK said, this is bush league.

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If you want to continue to enjoy hot dogs, perhaps it's best to not know how they're made. The same applies to the Washington Redskins football team. So, as far as I'm concerned, the Skins can just throw a team on the field and I'll root for them like the naive 8 year-old kid I once was. Problem solved.

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I still wouldn't rule out trading Kurt at some point. I think the narrative its only San Fran is bunk.

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Cousins wants to be wanted. He wants an organization to commit to him, fully. Show him he's their guy.

The team is taking slow steps in that direction, but airing the May 2 contract details publicly is an obvious attempt to show the public that the team does want him and make Cousins look bad for turning it down.

That doesn't show that you are fully committed to him, that provokes resentment.

Allen is failing to recognize the immense leverage Cousins has, which is the direct result of kicking the can down the road and franchising him twice in a row. You can't offer the same guaranteed money Cousins would make in 2017 and 2018 under tags, and expect him to trade that for 6 years of being under the Redskins' control. It doesn't show you want Cousins, it doesn't show you're fully committed.

Reports say he's open to an extension next year. Maybe he is. But I don't expect his stance to change: I want an offer that recognizes my worth, demonstrating that the team is fully committed. I want to be wanted.

Next year he'll have even more leverage, and his opportunity cost will be even higher. It will take an even higher offer to demonstrate that he's wanted.

So I believe Cousins when he says it's not about money. I believe him when he says it's about being wanted. Nothing the Redskins have done over the past few years says: Kirk, we believe in you.

If they change that tune in February, and give him a huge deal commensurate with his leverage, then it will convey that he's wanted and he'll sign. If they don't, John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan will. And Bruce Allen will have kicked the can down the road and out of town.

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I'm over it. At this point we should all be hoping that Kirk tears it up this year and takes us deep into the playoffs and leaves the team falling over themselves to give him a worthy contract next year.

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[quote=MTK;1171685]I'm over it. At this point we should all be hoping that Kirk tears it up this year and takes us deep into the playoffs and leaves the team falling over themselves to give him a worthy contract next year.[/quote]

No counteroffer from Kurt's team?

He doesn't want to be here.

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Im a big Cousins fan and want him signed to a LTD .... but dang, paying 80-100M guaranteed and breaking the record books for the 10th or 11th best QB in the league just seems odd. I understand leverage, market demand, future salary cap inflation etc but this still feels like things are going off the rails.

After listening to pundits, posters here I think the BA statement was more pettiness. I understand the need to get your version out there first to set the narrative, but the very real by product of CYA is turning a portion of your fan base against your starting QB.

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[QUOTE=Chico23231;1171686]No counteroffer from Kurt's team?



He doesn't want to be here.[/QUOTE]


Or he's just content maximizing his value with the tags and seeing how the market gauges his value next year. That seems to be the most likely answer to me. If he truly wanted out he could have not signed his tags and forced the team to trade him.